The Ancient Jewish Roots of the Catholic Church - John Bergsma
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- 00:00:55 - Introduction
00:01:13 - Conversion Testimony
00:08:03 - How to Study the New Testament
00:21:07 - The Dead Sea Scrolls on Baptism and the Eucharist
00:30:14 - John the Baptist = Essene?
00:38:05 - The New Covenant Priesthood
00:47:17 - Bishop = Presbyter?
00:51:29 - Monepiscopacy in the NT
01:00:09 - Suan's Thesis on Apostolic Succession
01:02:44 - New Testament in Context vs. the Reformation
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7:44 Francis de Sales as "patron saint of converted Calvinists" is new to me. This video is gold btw
I am drunken with joy for the Lord while listening to this 🙏
Apostle Bergsma is an awesome teacher. We are lucky to have him.
Saw whole video of Dr. John Bergsma on Pints With Aquinas. Blessed man of God
I love Suan Sonna" I have few friends who are Catholics now due to watching his Debates" I have a Ex Greek Orthodox friend Nick Dracoules & his son's & a few ex Prostestant friends who are now Catholic" God bless you & your channel.🙏⛪🗝️🗝️💯 Catholic"🙏🛐📿📖
Dr. Bergsma is such a wonderful person! I'd love to hear him more often. God bless him and everyone else reading this. Pax Christi
He’s my (online) professor!
@Eucharist Angel thanks for enlightening us 🙄 🙄 🙄
@@patricpeters7911 Don't care about this guy. He had post his "protest" against the real presence here in the commentaries, but he deleted it as soon as posted a brief verse, which apparently he didn't know. He's just a coward boy who never took a Bible in his hands.
@@leonardobarbieri1292 eucharistic angel is a troll.
YAY ... love Dr. John Bergsma !
Dear sir
May be my English is not enough to express best wishes beacause it is of words defficency, but Iam so praud of you scholastic works.
I am 76 at this time.
I live in Germany it is hard to find good English Catholic book here
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Suan looks so satisfied listening to dr. Bergsma 😁
His point about what works of the law means is devastating to most Protestants belief about salvation by faith alone.
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my They don't have saving faith. They believe but not in a saving way.
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my you are being weird and I don't know what you are getting at. You said they have faith and I said it's not in a saving way. There is nothing controversial amongst Catholics about this.
Priestly line of Zadok was ussurped after Babylonian captivity.True Priesthood removed from Jerusalem.Hasmonean dynasty replaces Zadokite dynasty. Mary's genealogy points to Zadokite line. (The messiah could only come through the uncorrupted Zadok line.) True high priest.
The Zadokite communities were in a few places in Judea. Even Mt. Carmel and at Kumran. Jesus established his priesthood and His sacrifice for the world as great High Priest. Jesus rejected as king of Israel at cross, but His acceptance as Priest and KING of the Jews will be salvation for ALL Israel.Mary related to Elizabeth priestly line. Melkizadak. Our great high priest! Glory to God in the highest!
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Thank you, guys! Wonderful stuff.
Thanks for the time stamps too!
Great interview- lots of info!
Excellent bro Suan!
Great show man
Amazing discussion
Hey blessings, I came on your channel from Pints With Aquinas. Your channel is great and awesome material. LITTLE SUGGESTION could you put your camera little far and have live discussions not online.
I find it interesting that Protestants say that it is by faith alone and not by anything that we could do… however, to them baptism does nothing and should be delayed until the person decides to do it. Seems that the decision to be baptized is placing all the Grace on the person instead of what Jesus can do. It is Jesus who cleanses so it seems that we would get baptized ASAP. Baptism is like the OT circumcision and the of the presentation.
Let me get this straight: the "believer's baptism" teaches that one must be old enough to know that baptism does nothing before consenting to it?
Beam me up, Scotty!
I don't think John the Baptist was "kicked out" of the Essenes. I think it you are right that he had a higher calling to prepare the way for his cousin, Jesus. I'm sure their mothers were aware and confided to them their unusual, Divine conception and purpose.
"Those who turn away on earth will be written down. Because they have forsaken the fountain of living water, even the Lord." (Jer 17:13). "With you is the fountain of life. by your Light we see Light." Ps 36:9
Stealth troll? I think I have reported this user for harassment before.
Wow unexpected collab
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According to Blessed Ann Emmerich, both Mary and Joseph belonged to the Essenes as did their families. They all were praying for the soon coming of the Messiah. Mary had promised herself to God, before the angel brought to her God's request. Joseph likewise had vowed himself to God. Neither had wanted to marry, but God wanted them to have the special task of raising Jesus. They were indeed a "Holy Family."
Maria Valtorta
Interesting!
It would be interesting if you can get Dr. Jones on for a show to talk about the other side
15:34 how do the dead sea scrolls help with understanding the meaning of Jesus putting the clay on the blind mans eyes?
I hope you have broader band by now!
Dr Bergsma reading the Dead Sea Scrolls, is there a study guise of some sorts? My wife is just starting to read it and wants to do a study on it and can really use some help
I’m pretty sure Dr. Bergsma has a book on it.
On the Eucharist. Bearing in mind the Melchizedek scroll at Qumran, what bearing might the bread and wine that Melchizedek brought out to Abraham have on the Essene Eucharist?
Read his book The Dead Sea Scrolls. Outstanding work on your question
Foreshadowing. It is a "type" of the Eucharist.
Could the Essene suggestion that water from a purified pitcher should not be poured into a contaminated cup be a foreshadowing of the words of Jesus that you shouldn't put pearls before swine?
One thing that always fascinated me about all this pre-christian thought was the approach of Mormons.
It seems that protestants, in their choosing to forego history, creates the impression that the church is just some spontaneous thing that suddenly comes on the scene in 30 AD.
Mormons, with the book of Mormon meant to be a kind of preservation of 1st temple thought, seem to go way too hard in trying to prove how far back certain doctrines go. For example, the use of synagogues seems to be essentially anachronistic according to how early the BoM places them in history.
Though I don't see Mormonism as from God, the confidence of their scriptures to place so many things seemingly before their reasonable entrance into Jewish thought stirs up a kind of exuberance in me. How early can the catholic church go in her claims using extra-biblical sources?
What about the Samaritan's ? The rabbis and sages preceding the new testament? What about the Jewish communities that didn't move back after the building of the 2nd temple? I wonder, if we could draw things from Zoroastrianism.
It would be so cool to find a book or something that talks about monasticism or something in like 500 b.c. !
Your comment reminds me of a tab I have open with a video title: Purifying our Internal Senses: _Imagination_ and Memory. Obvioiusly, it is not about things supposedly hidden (hint) in the past or otherwise (cf gnostic heresy). We are prideful beyond salvation in ourselves, may Christ deliver us unto humility and save us. May we surrender to His will and cast away all that makes us stumble, even if so dear to us as our own eyes! Jesus orders us to renounce even our family for the sake of the Kingdom, and to renounce our very selves in order to follow Him?
Now, for some reason, the Catechism does mention pagan worship practices and draws parallel between them and true worship. But in no way does it affirm paganism in doing so. The true faith that may or may not be emulated by pagans is available to you in its completeness in the Catholic church. There exists nothing of value that does not come from God, above all the spiritual. If I may humbly suggest, seek peace instead of excitement. I value it over excitement not in eternity only (and eternity should be our focus), but also in this world. See this short video please: /watch?v=ZkyKKpwntwI (this one is a great rule for discernment by padre Pio, that is related to the last things I said)
I love to find and pick out pre-Christian anticipations of Jesus and Christianity. The early Christians found them everywhere: they said that Virgil's Fourth Eclogue was about Jesus instead of Augustus Caesar, one of the Greek oracles made a famous prophecy that turned out to be an acrostic containing the Name & roles of Jesus, and Tertullian pointed out that idols were usually supported by metal rebar in the shape of a cross. And as we expand out into the world and try to evangelize other societies with their religions and customs, we can look for more of these.
They do not have the Wisdom of Solomon. Chapter 2, 12-20 is the clearest, most precise prophecy of Christ in all of scripture.
I got so many text messages during this vid.
'Oh, I see you have a Cruden's concordance. Oh, and all these other bible study books. But I thought you were Sola Scriptura??' 😂
Dr. Bergsma is very funny I love his humor!
Now I’m very puzzled about baptism or any other sacraments that are administered by the Catholic Church,and what I mean by that is can any person have the impowerment to administer sacraments just because they read the scriptures and are a member of the Catholic Church and are there for impowered to do that because they are just a member and not an ordained Bishop or Priest in the Catholic Church?
No. All sacraments are “normally” administered by ordained clergy only. Baptism may be administered by any confirmed Catholic but that is not normal and not advised. There are some sacraments only administered by bishops, some by bishops and priests, some by bishops, priests and deacons.
@@srich7503 thank you for your reply I really appreciate it,but I must say this that I’m still puzzled about baptism,and why I’m puzzled about it is because to me it seems clearer than daylight that Jesus only had his Apostles baptize whom Jesus gave full authority and Impowerment to them as well as John the Baptist.It’s just the way I understand it as a catholic if I’m wrong please do enlighten me thank you +++
@@johnchung6777 yes that is correct. Jesus only baptized His apostles. Do you think only apostles were meant to be baptized? After the resurrection, the books of Acts records (16:15 16:33; 18:8) whole households or families being baptized. Now if the idea for you about baptism is a cognitive decisive on the baptized ONLY then that is a different issue, which in Catholicism is dealt with in the sacrament of Confirmation. Many Protestants conflate the 2 from their perspectives and not from our perspective. It helps to understand our purposes of each sacraments and not conflate your understanding of your baptism on our infants. Our Baptism on our infants is not the same as what you expect.
@@srich7503 thanks for your reply,but I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying about who has the authority to baptize only for I as a sheep or ordinary member in the Catholic Church am not empowered by or received the sacrament of holy orders as a priest or bishop in the Catholic Church receives and it’s obvious that they are empowered to administer all seven sacraments,again if I’m wrong please explain that to me thanks
@@johnchung6777
1.Baptism - any confirmed Catholic can baptize but its not the norm nor advised. Usually a deacon, priest, or bishop.
2.Eucharist - Priest or Bishop only
3.Confirmation - Bishop only (he can defer to a priest but only in certain circumstances)
4.Penance and Reconciliation - Priest or Bishop only
5.Anointing of the Sick - Priest or Bishop only
6.Holy Orders (ordination) - Bishop only
7.Matrimony - Deacon, Priest or Bishop only (as witnesses to the proper form) the couple exchanging vows are the ones, along with God, preform this sacrament.
Hope this helps…
The Israelites were the first phase of Catholicism and their religion has zero in common with )udaism which started after the Romans sacked and razed Jerusalem.
Took 70 years for the Romans to realize the people calling themselves "Jews" were imposters with fake birth certificates in Herods Temple. Because they were actually Arabic. Israelites had already spread around the west east north and south after captivity in Babylon.
It's amazing to me that American Evangelicals, who profess to be Christian, can believe that modern practitioners of Judaism are still the "chosen people" and hold Christian zionist beliefs. We know now due to DNA that most Jews aren't, especially Ashkenazi, aren't descended from the original Israelites. The Romans didn't exile the entire population of Israel after 70 AD, nor did the Muslims, many converted to Christianity or Islam and many continued to practice Judaism, while some migrated. Christian zionism falls apart after one understands the history of the population of Palestine. It already doesn't make sense from a purely Christian perspective.
Of course there are Jewish routes to Catholicism. The Old Testament emerged directly from Judaism as were the teachings and faith of Jesus Christ which led to the Gospels and the New Testament..
Alleluia!
I don't understand how some people separate the old testimonies and new testimonies. The old book lead up to the new, which fulfilled the old.
Jesus is right at the middle, the lamb, the chief Cornerstone, the king of kings. John 10:34
If people who read the scriptures and say that it is all truth and powerful and says that Jesus Christ is the son of God the Father but deny that of what Jesus said about eating his body and drinking his blood and claim profess and proclaim that it’s just symbolic then these people are calling Jesus Christ a liar and a teacher of idolatry let those who have the understanding understand with the spirit of the eyes and ears and the spirit of the mind of what I’ve just said?
😂😂😂 haha. You fell for that too? You didn't get Jesus's sense of humor. He had a great sense of humor. Probably you should read the rest of the chapter 😂🎉
@@survivorislandwe did, which is why we have no doubt the eucharist is the body and blood of Christ.
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The roots of the Catholic Church are deep into the Jewish Faith after all Christ was Jewish and the apostles were Jewish.
no they weren't. They were Jews, from Judah. Jewish mean unauthentic. Jews have to be pure to be actual Jews.
If John the Baptiste was kicked out, maybe it was a given participation in the rejection that Jesus would experience, his death the same.
Rejected by his own?
1:05:30 "most of the Protestant bibles do not translate 2 Thess 2:15 with traditions."
Fact check:
(KJV) Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
(ESV) So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.
(LSB) So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.
(NASB95) So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.
(CSB) So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold to the traditions you were taught, whether by what we said or what we wrote.
(NKJV) Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.
(RSV) So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
(NET) Therefore, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold on to the traditions that we taught you, whether by speech or by letter.
(ASV) So then, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye were taught, whether by word, or by epistle of ours.
(AMP) So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold [tightly] to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.
CEB
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold on to the traditions we taught you, whether we taught you in person or through our letter.
ISV
So then, brothers, stand firm, and cling to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.
MEV
Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word or by our letter.
MOUNCE
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught, either by what we said or what we wrote.
TLV
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold on to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by our letter.
Etc etc.
The only reputable Protestant translation I could find that does not have traditions. There is the NIV.
I see your point but the NIV is a really significant one because SO many Evangelicals use it.
Jesus said that among those born of woman there was none greater than John the Baptiste. This doesn't seem consistent with the Essenes kicking him out.
The Essence was a heretic set
He was speaking of the Old Testament prophets. As to the Essenes, I am dying to know.
baptism by the Holy Spirit is the key
well that's good for you. how does that relate to catholic baptism?@@CatholicDefender-bp7my
catholic baptism doesn't save anyone. salvation is not through the catholic church's man-made false doctrines, rituals, traditions, sacraments, dogmas, ect. the bible is very clear that salvation is by faith, through grace, in Jesus Christ alone. faith comes from God the Father alone. neither salvation or faith comes from the false roman catholic church, which tries to use things like the eucharist/mass as a means of attaining both salvation and faith. the eucharist/mass is a wicked re-sacrifice of Christ, defying that Christ's death on the cross, was the final and complete sacrifice.
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You claimed: catholic baptism doesn't save anyone.
God claims:
Mark 16:16 “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.”
John 3:5 “Jesus answered, ‘I tell you the truth, unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.’” (cf. 3:3: “unless a man is born again …”)
Acts 2:38-41 “And Peter said to them, ‘Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him.’ And he testified with many other words and exhorted them, saying, ‘Save yourselves from this crooked generation.’ So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.” (cf. 9:17-18; 1 Corinthians 12:13: both associate the Holy Spirit with baptism)
Acts 22:16 “And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.” (cf. 9:17-18)
Romans 6:3-4 “Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.”
1 Corinthians 6:11 “And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.”
Titus 3:5 “He saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit…”
1 Peter 3:21 “Baptism … now saves you …”
We agree, through water baptism.
Are you roman catholic
Does it matter? Are you afraid to agree with what you heard?
@@mr.molina8008 woe I'm catholic and I was just wondering there's no need to rude
@@mr.molina8008 and yes it kinda does matter because Catholicism is the true Christianity and original Christians.
He is
@@andrewmangum4247 who is
😂😅😊 stay in your lane Dr. Bergsma... BJJ isn't all that. 😅
The LORD JESUS CHRIST is ALIVE ask HIM for HIS Wisdom and HIS TRUTH. Paul TOTALLY endorsed the MESSIANIC PROMISES in Orthodox Judaism.
The LORD GOD has commanded that HE be Our ONLY Teacher and Father - Matthew 23:8-10. Also read John 17.
The LORD JESUS destroyed the works of satan as The PROMISED Messiah. I was led by The LORD GOD to study the MESSIANIC Promises in Orthodox Judaism, which is what The LORD referred to when HE spoke to the Jews about HIS IDENTITY as The MESSIAH.
I speak with PROOF of LIVING AN OVERCOMING life with NO FEAR (fear is a satanic spirit that can paralyze those who are ignorant of The TRUTH), healing of my body, protection and unlimited PROVISION as HE promised.
I was FILLED with The HOLY SPIRIT with the Evidence of speaking in other languages or Tongues about 25 years ago. The LORD JESUS is The HOLY SPIRIT and HE comes to LIVE IN us so that we are The LIVING TEMPLES of The HOLY SPIRIT - John 14:20, 1Corinthians 3:16, 2Corinthians 6:16-18.
christianity is a LYING DECEPTION rooted in pagan sun god worship roman catholicism. The LORD JESUS told me not to touch anything roman catholic. My obedience brought CLARITY and GREAT BLESSINGS - just walking into Blessings All the time, on a daily basis.
SPEAK to The LORD JESUS and seek HIS TRUTH - HE is The TRUTH.
When our Lord go to prayer or toHeal the dead child take only three peter always with Him
Is that not hierarchial
As a pope first spoke Peter then spoke as a bishop simon of Jerusalem
@@user-xr7fy4dh9i that is human reasoning which is forbidden by The LORD GOD to access spiritual Wisdom - Romans 8:5-9. The LORD JESUS only did what THE FATHER showed HIM to do. HE never spoke of any hierarchy that came from pagan roman catholicism.
HE told us to judge the spirit NOT the outward appearance. You should REPENT and get BORN AGAIN of The SPIRIT OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST with the evidence of speaking in other Tongues - Acts 2:
If you are of The LORD JESUS you will respect authority in HIS WISDOM not your own reasoning.
@@user-xr7fy4dh9i that is too funny - Peter was married and had a mother in law. Then why did the pagan rc church forbid marriage to the clergy? this is the satanic spirit of sexual abuse that has plagued the catholic organization with even nuns being abused by priests.
Seek a PERSONAL Relationship with The LORD JESUS and ask HIM to teach you as is HIS Will - Matthew 23:8-10.
The LORD JESUS IS ALIVE so you can speak to HIM and ask HIM to show you HIS TRUTH.
roman catholicism which has influenced ALL christianity is satanic - FLEE from it. I was in it so I know how satanic it is. It is the same spirit of the occult that is in roman catholicism.
Spiritual wisdom does not contradict human wisdom. If it does, it is false, that is, demonic. Paul tells us to test everything. How did you test the voice that told you to touch nothing Catholic? How do you know that a demon wasn't trying to divert you from the truth of Catholicism? You just blocked your own intelligence, which was a gift from the Creation.
So sad, he turned to believe a lie. You can't get to heaven without a priest, there is no such thing as purgatory. The Blood of Christ is trampled on, because it is not sufficient to cleanse all sin; however, to teach that you must pay for some of your sin is heresy forsure and if you didn't see that going in you have been seduced!
You have a heretical knowledge of Christianity. You are not alone. Throughout the ages there have been many such individuals who came to disagree with Church teaching and founded their own SECTS. So, there have been many such sects but only one Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Arrogance impelled by ignorance of Christianity.
All lies. Your heretical beliefs are nothing new. Unfortunately they've led many to hell over the centuries.
So sad you're not Christian although you claim to be one.
1 Macabees 12, people talk about the scriptures but they never actually read it.