Anti-FFS Angler's are Getting Out of HAND! (The Industry Divided) Ep. 178
Vložit
- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- In today's video I go on a rant about a few comments I have gotten lately and the overall state of the industry of bass fishing. It's sickening to me that people would stoop to the level of which they have lately. Love me or hate me, I will always be me. But if you are here to spread negativity, leave me out of it. I apologize for the rant, but I don't apologize for being offended. I will never do that.
It’s not just in fishing, the hate in the world today is out of control, you can’t just disagree with someone anymore, everyone wants to argue and fight.
thats what big tech/evil tyrants want
It’s social media…obvious decline of society. I wish it was never invented and I’m relatively young.
Take politics off of social media would help greatly.@@JB-ms9du
The real problem that the anti cult has is horrible information relayed to them about ffs. We can thank Sir Randy for adding fuel to all of it. There has never been more of a divide in fishing than I can remember and that’s what he will be remembered for.
Everyone fishing today has been fishing before ffs existed. It’s really just people who are no good at fishing that found their ultimate boogeyman for their failure’s.
I agree with you, it's a tool. I got push back when I started using it in 2021, still had an old trolling motor but choose to upgrade my electronics. I didn't wine and complain because most have spotlock, didn't have to fight wind, put my head down and fished. I'm like you I don't always use it, love punching and frog fishing. It's nice to see high spots, stumps, submerged grass, brush piles and fish them without running them over. In 3 yrs won 1 club tournament with it, and since all my other top finishes have been just fishing. I hate people that cry about the technology, yet have the spotlock trolling motor, graphs, shallow water anchors, then complain about ffs. I'd have more respect if they fished a flasher and a cable trolling motor.....and most who complain haven't ever used it or don't understand it. It's a tool to help, and great anglers understand that. Think some are upset because the young generation is kicking their ass. Sorry for that but it's true. But then some of those young guys fish ffs and are sticks without it too. But gives the other side something to scapegoat their lack luster outings. I like living in others heads when it's tournament time, if they are worried about what I'm doing with ffs or not then they aren't going to fish as good as if they weren't.
Economics are a huge factor in the fishing industry now. When your customer base can't afford the product the fishing industry will decline. Its that simple.
Excellent video. Problem today is people can’t debate with dignity. Whether you like FFS or not it comes down to an opinion. People need to respect a persons opinion regardless of whether or not they agree or disagree with it.
People are going to have to get over it as it is here to stay and I for one want do it but my son has all of it and it will not stop me from fishing with him. I also sit in the back of his boat and catch as many fish by just fishing as he does using FFS
I'm not a fan of FFS in tourneys and believe it's a contributing factor to declining fisheries., my opinion. ANYONE that attacks or insults people for using FFS needs to be taken behind the wood shed. I have my opinion, others have theirs, that's the way it's supposed to be. I can't understand the blow hards that take this subject so personally. I don't compete and couldn't afford the electronics, but if I came into money and could afford, I wouldn't compete because of my views. In this time 2023/2024, FFS is not going anywhere and will never disappear until a newer technology comes out, deal with it everyone.
Agree with you one hundred percent
Yep agree with you 100 percent, but I also have to add along with FFS tourneys declining fisheries also comes with the huge increase in anglers since 2019, and just the sheer amount of tournaments every weekend on our lakes. It’s not completely FFS fault but it has contributed.
@Mg0936 Yes I agree there are more contributing factors in play aside from FFS.
@@2873lonewolf yep some people are just blinded by their hate and ignore the obvious
I agree with you and I agree with sight fishing during the bedding. Those who have the problem with ffs can't afford and haven't used them but I bet they love seeing them on beds, and see fish hit a top water. It's really no different. Any kind of fish finder job is to help you find and caught fish but it's still the thrill of seeing a fish eating your bait.
Andrew, it's not just fishing. It's people in general. I competed in bodybuilding for 10 years and the weightlifting/fitness industry was the exact same way. Powerlifters, Crossfitters and Bodybuilders belittled the others constantly.
On another note of comparison, when I began competing in bodybuilding all of the top pros had a major supplement contract, when I retired from the sport 10 years later the only Pros that still had a contract were the Pros that owned the supplement companies. Same exact thing occurred in the Fitness industry that's happening right now in the Fishing industry, the Companies could use Folks on Social Media to plug their product for little to nothing in return and get way more eyeballs on their products.
sooo if you can fish and win without the FFS why have it?????
I did win with it…twice. But why wouldn’t I have/use every legal tool at my disposal if need be,
@@AndrewUpshawFishing i have an idea, it should be allowed for practice and the first 3 days of the elites, the final day no... that should be fun.
Well said . I personally don’t like it & will never use it. That’s MY decision. Whoever uses it that’s their decision. It has ruined watching tournaments on television in my opinion.
Also I grew up in the 80s and was amazed at how great the anglers were. With FFS I don’t have any respect for new tournament anglers .
I'm in favor of FFS, which I think of as real-time sonar. I condemn those people who are being rude about this business. It's part of the problem with the internet that you can be mean and not be held responsible.
Keep up the good videos.
Hey Andrew. Here on Hartwell, I HAD to get it to even compete on local level. Its a great tool, dont get me wrong, but the days of finding the fish with the bait are pretty much gone. Everyone ends up on lower end chansing spots. Thats about all there is to it now. Just miss the older days for traingulating points, etc. It has definitly changed the game.
Exactly. The cheater machine takes skill out of it, cannot deny. It’s awesome fun but it should not be part of tournaments.
Tournament bass fishing is self destructing, FFS is just one symptom
Frankly, tournament fishing is pretty awful. Specifically, the weigh-in style tournaments
Andrew. You are a REAL ONE. And, I mean that in the most complimentary way. Always informative, always real.
I don't care for it myself but to each their on. Love to see another league that offered 2d tourneys or senior tournaments. I feel, it would quickly show the opinion of the vast majority of anglers. I'm tired of all the seeing all the tournaments even local pot tournaments being won with this technology. Years of working on your craft of figuring out the seasonal patterns are gone. Sit and watch your screen all day long fish 20 minutes.
Dont care for or against it. But my only thing is. Most top name anglers spent an entire career building their name, learning to read water. Specializing in one technique or another and honing that craft.
These new guys regardless of age, they only know one thing. Stare at a screen… and if they win give them a trophy for participating. Thats not angling knowledge and no one will build their name or a technique from staring at a screen.
Like many pro’s have said recently, the professional levels are in trouble regardless of league if the only thing these newcomers can do is be that dependent on ffs.
There is a lot of bias regardless, its no different than the bias against MLF. Trolls exist everywhere if it doesn’t fit their narrative. I just offer up a new tampon to them and go about my day! 😂
I hate to blame it on one guy, but Randy has definitely inspired a vocal minority of the worst type of whiners to spam every comment section involving FFS.
I think if the market truly hated it and didn't want FFS to exist, FFS-free tournament trails would be popping up all over the place. I mean we have swimbait and frog only tournaments, a limited electronics series should be a hit right? I think the truth of the matter is that those who complain the most about FFS are the exact same type that wouldn't show up to FFS free trail because the HP limit is too high, this guy has spot lock, this guy has power poles, we need a rod limit, the off limits is too long / short, entry fees are too high, and on and on .
Biggest cry baby in the sport.
100 PERCENT I might have to steal this comment. It so so good 😅😂😂
Andrew I completely agree. I fish in a small club un North Alabama with about 30 teams. We have a few guys that have FFS on their boats and YES they do win more times than not but at the end of the day you either catch ‘em or you don’t
I’m sick of the discussion truthfully….I want to see videos with FISHING CONTENT not this freakin FFR topic. It’s here to stay so either make the investment or shut up about it. I don’t have it on my boat but yet I still feel confident enough that I feel like I can go catch ‘em so everybody just needs to leave it alone… FISHING CONTENT video’s PLEASE !!!! No more FFS discussion, I’m over it
I believe you hit the nail squarely on the head with this video Andrew!!!! This needed to be said, should have been said long ago!!! I don’t have it because I am retired and have better and more necessary places to spend my money. Right now I have a boat that is leaking water bad enough that I am leery of using it. Plan to take care of this problem this winter. Just wanted you to know that I appreciate your video and you made a great presentation with it!!!! Thanks!!!
If someone is a professional fisherman I think they had better get proficient with FFS. Having said that technology in fishing is and has been out of hand for a long time. The arguments for using FFS are hollow. It takes much less skill. It really isn’t fishing. Just a gentle reminder that comparing the time before FFS as the same as using flintlock rifles is a poor example. There is a lot of skill in being accurate with a center fire bolt action rifle.
Great video. FFS is just an evolution that started with a flasher, then paper graphs, then LCD screens, side image, down image, etc. Each evolution has given anglers the ability to catch more fish. The off-shore fish have always been the great unknown and I believe we, as anglers have contributed to that with the constant bank-beating. Fish will adapt and I see it already on my screens where fish scatter when they get pinged. I do agree with the issue of watching it live. I think as more productions link the screens to the broadcast, it will help some. We have to remember that we grew up on watching 1 hour shows that were edited to show only the catches. Now we have all-day streaming where you have to fill the time with something. With all due respect to your preference, I would rather watch someone using FFS and maybe learning something than watching someone sit on a bed fish for hours. JMHO
I got it on my boat but but I’m not 25 years old and I can’t hardly figure it out and use it I won two tournaments this year with 80 plus boats in it and I won two with out it and I know a lot of fishermen I fish against are using it so just because you have it doesn’t mean they know how to use it and I’m one of them
Who else have ffs and still haven’t won tournaments raise your hand. ✋🏻 it’s just another tool and doesn’t automatically catch fish for you.
I don’t like ffs, but I don’t hate or disparage people that do 🤷♂️ some people are just mean and miserable
Some channels want the shenanigans in the comment section, just sayin! 😂😂😂.
For real, I’m not anti FFS. My boat is paid off and it floats, I have 2 graphs. And with the limited amount of time I have to fish, it isn’t worth me paying the money just to have FFS on my boat. But I do know, you ABSOLUTELY need FFS to compete in local tournaments. So that makes me just fun fish for now. They don’t always bite under a dock at Norman…
I agree 100%! I don’t like FFS. However, if you’re a professional fisherman, you have to use it to stay relevant. Why can’t we agree to disagree? Andrew is right. We need to be positive. But no matter what we should be respectful!
Maybe if manufacturers would lower these prices maybe there would be less complaining
Would be nice, LOL
You can get a brand new 9" with lvs 32 livescope for $1700. In terms of tournament bass fishing that is a relative bargain.
Which is the core of the problem. The cost are extremely out of hand and the industry didn't listen when people were starting to say that even before ffs. Granted us idiots still by the stuff, well not me anymore but thats where the real divide is happening
The ones that hate on people that use FFS, are the ones that think Dylan Mulvaney is a woman and drinks bud light!
Well said Andrew ,you are one of the top you tube fishing channels.
Tv tournament viewership is the reason professional fishing is ⬇️. I believe ffs is a big part of that
Its not down...
Bassmaster live.. up 13% last yr.
Andrew....You nailed this one!! Thanks for speaking up!!
I started fishing 30 years ago, so I'm a little old school on this. My issue is it seems like being able to see the fish at 25 feet is an unfair advantage to me. It does seem a little like spotlighting deer to me, and that has always been illegal. If the majority of pro's are winning using FFS I don't agree with it. But are they? I am just an old Marine, so don't really know about the PRO tour too much. I am against it for old school reasons.
Great video! I have fished a local club for years, and there are a few guys in our club that have had FFS for a couple years now....did they win everything, NOPE, not even close. I recently added FFS to my rig for a couple reasons, the #1 reason is to try and continue to learn and understand the fish. I have been out with it 4-5 times now, and it's definitely an eye opener, but I can tell those people that think you just turn it on, see a fish, and then catch that fish.....you are WRONG!!! We are all entitled to our own opinions, but the nonstop bashing and negative comments towards the anglers using FFS needs to stop. If you want your opinion and ideas to be listened to, and considered with some validity, being a jacka$$ isn't the way to get it done. Just my .02
Keep up the great content Andrew, I enjoy your channel.
Andrew, This was the best video I've seen about the FFS. You made it very clear and I agree 100% most people are very negative about new technologies. Even though I don't use it I don't feel someone who has it & understands it cannot use it. As to allowing in tournaments I think the directors of the organization should make that decision but for out fishing by yourself go for it and have fun!!! Stay Safe & God Bless!!!
Andrew, FFS. Is here to stay in the industry, as you said. I do not own an FFS. Unit myself, but I do like any help the average fisherman can get who only gets to go maybe one or two days a week. As for tournaments, anglers, I think the live has not kept up to the technology. So they can show use what the anglers are seeing. As for there being more haters out there, there are not more just better ways for angry people to react to what's going on in real time. Back in the day, when someone read an article, and they disagreed with it, there was no way to vent their frustration unless they wrote the editor, and unless they decided posted the replies. You never knew someone was ever mad. FFS. Is a tool just like any other tool in your toolbox, and 10 years from now, we will all wonder what all the fuss was all about.
Thanks, Andrew. for the great videos.
Regards, Steven. 😊.
I think people are having a hard time articulating their frustration. I’ve tournament fished at some level for 45 years. Lots of innovative stuff was banned by bass in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s. Most of it was things that were banned were innovative ideas by anglers like Martin, Blauket and Grigsby. A short list: no fly rods, 8 ft maximum rod length, jet drives, tunnel hulls, extra fuel, ballast tanks, underwater cameras, raised platforms, being seated with your vest on when the motor is running, using the same boat for the whole Elite season and plenty more that I’ve long since forgotten. Let me be clear, I’m against most of these bans but to pretend that banning FFS wouldn’t be just business as usual is disingenuous.
The influx of angles during covid affect fishing more then FFS. The army of kayaks banging the bank has affected fishing more then FFS. Lake nutrient levels affect fishing more then FFS. Shallow cover during and after spawn affect a fishery more then FFS...
While everything is debatable on this topic, the one thing that is needed for sure are voices of reason. Thank you for your "even keeled" approach. With all challenges that divide, there must be compromise. I hope for that soon, so that we can get away from fishing drama and get back to catchin' bass.
Hater's gonna hate. F*** em , too many people cant tolerate other people disagreeing with their opinion. This used to be a free country, what changed?
Nothing changed, it’s been the same forever, technology just makes it easier to do so now days.
Welcome to the internet! Loud minority of trash talkers will always latch on to current topics both within and outside of the fishing industry. The world we live in sadly
Just like politics now a days you can’t have grown up discussions with facts and agree to disagree anymore. We have lost the fact that not everyone’s opinion is the right one all the time 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
People that promote ffs are out of hand. It's trash and declines fisheries
Best video on this topic out there today, bar none …. Well done Andrew!
👏👏👏
Now i definitely need to go listen to you, Todd and Matt.
If flipping was new
And guys using 7’6” tods were winning tournaments
Would they say restrict rods to 5’6” pistol grips
RB just wants clickable topics to drive his channel
If not his way its wrong, really?
It sucks your getting so much negativity. Sadly our politicians are supposed to be role models. They are supposed to exemplify the best the USA has to offer, but the most celebrated politicians these days are the ones that are the most negative and repugnant. It isn’t a shock that that behavior has become common place. It’s a darn shame. I always appreciate your insight. I don’t have ffs, but it looks amazing. I’d love to use it, but I don’t think it should legal for the top tier of tournament fishing- only because it takes away from the TV broadcast. If I wanted to watch somebody play a video game I’d go onto Twitch. When you think about the most boring fishing tournaments ever broadcasted, most people’s mind go to drop shot tournaments up north. Now with FFS, all the tournaments are being won staring at a screen. For the sake of good media, I think it should be eliminated from the pro tier. At that level, those guys should be able to catch fish without it.
In general the local and federal governments don’t give two poops about fishing. So anyone waiting on that good luck
First let me say that RESPECT for our fellow anglers has got to come back. As far as FFS I understand that fish have started reacting to the ping and like all new best thing ever the bass will adjust and it will not be as effective as it is now. As far those that have opinions please don't put others down but give scientific reasons why you feel that why. I have been bass fishing since the early 1970's as and have seen a lot of advancements in the industry this is just one more. Thank you Andrew for another great video.
Respect! Since the covi thing the lakes have become completely over run with the High school Tournaments with over 200 boats and college tournaments and the numbers of club and open tournament on our lakes anymore your lucky to find a spot to fish on a weekend. people will run right in front of you cutting you off . There is no respect or very little anymore
@@butchfarmer9131 The true price of growing the sport. Did anyone really think fishing would get easier with 10 times the boats on the water than from the past.
I have been fishing for bass since the late 60's and even before I was a charter member of B>A>S>S from the start and I to have seen it grow from the smallest to getting way out of hand . From boats costing $200 to now over $100,000. It has become a rich mans game replacing Golf. It is crazy what this sport cost anymore if you want to compete in tournaments.
@@butchfarmer9131 In 08, I bought my last new Ranger. Paid 31k, tax included. I can afford a new 100k rig, but there is no way I could justify paying that amount. Of course the only reason stuff like this or anything else cost so much is simple. People are willing to pay the asking price. If in demand, prices go up. Less or no demand, down the price goes.
very true @@TheFishdoctor1952 some people do not care what it costs . I have friends who purchase a boat all rigged out and keep it for 2 years and trade it in on a new one they just keep making payment for ever. That's a good way to never have much if any problems
What’s up brother good topic here, I have been fishing my whole life but never got into tournament fishing until I finished playing college football about 8 years ago. And one thing that has always bothered me about the tournament side of fishing is all of the big egos in the sport and unfortunately I think that’s why there is so much negativity in it is because one guy always thinks he’s better then the next. There are maybe 5-10 pros that I feel like are truly humble. This sport is made up of lots of wealthy men who all think it should be there way or the highway. I love the sport and will continue to watch always but I unfortunately don’t think there will ever be much positivity that comes out of it. Have a good weekend brother!
Without even watching this personally as a huge fishing fan I'm sick of hearing people complain about ffs, it's another tool, shut up and fish, no you Andrew,
Now I'll watch
In the last couple of month's I've fished 4 tournaments, a 1st place, a 15th place, a 2nd place, and another 15. None of those finishes were using livescope.... i have it and i don't use it in practice, i don't use it to find fish. When i do use it , it's only for time management. So I'm not sitting on a channel or point for hours when there isn't fish there , or if the school i found in practice without livescope moves. It doesn't make a bad fisherman all of a sudden a good fisherman. It makes good fisherman better but they were already a good fisherman ..!
FFS, GPS, Side Scan, HD Downscan, Loran, Paper Graphs, Flashers, etc etc. All have come long after I started fishing 79 years ago. Love them all. Don't like the latest one, then hate on all of them. For the haters. How about we cut a whole bunch of large logs and furnish an adze and an ax in the parking lot. Make your dugout canoe and then go fish the tournament with whatever stick you can find on the bank and strip some bark and weave it into string. Carve a fish hook from some hard wood, dig up a worm or two and you are good to go.
The problem I have is, you can solve this question by giving one simple answer. Would Kyoya Fujita have finished 7th in AOY without FFS. I rest my case. No mean statements, just facts. Keep up the good work.
Were the other people in the tournaments using i
Andrew if u lived in the north u would see how ez it is on smallies. It really isn't fair to the fish and there honestly isn't much skill involved it isn't hard to get fish to bite they have to eat every day. Let's ve honest most the new "pros" wouldn't be there with out it.
It’s an irrefutable fact that there’s a direct correlation to the people that can’t afford forward facing sonar, and the ones that want it banned. If you want it bad enough you can get it work 80 hours a week for a while and you can put money away to buy it. The fact is most people do not want to work extra to afford it so they hate it.
My Pop Corn has been in my Hutch, ready of the EMS that's not a Amber. Alert. Your speaking Fack's bro. I totally understand what your talking about, even though my graphs are from 1999 on A Charger 395TF, with a Yamaha 3.1 Big Block. Paid off an know worries. I follow you an Todd every week and give the Thumbs 👍 an Comments. Tell the World the Truth. That's why we Live in the USA!!
Drew, all bass tornaments try there best to make a level playing feild. So this is problem: does live scope make a level feild? So, bass tornaments have been, experience of angler, and his or her instincts. My opinion is it don't. Two sides of fench though. Buy one put it on yiur boat and learn to use it???? FFS only works when fish are schooled up, off the bank in deep water usually. But, is it fair, to use it to find fish? Or using your years of experience to find them fish??? Final thoughts: if it's legal to use it, then use it. It's electronics, when graphs came out , we used them, side imagining came out, we used it, now ffs, so use it!
Great video, thanks for the adult point of view. Dont have FFS but it costs more than i want to spend. Yes, i was a viewer of Blaukat but he lost it couple of years ago with his hate speech on FFS turned me off because if you cant respect other fisherman and their views. I want to get one and learn to use it and add to my fishing in the late summer and fall. Keep up the videos and hope the show continues to do well next season. Loved the saltwater and shallow water shows too. Not many people watch the FFS fishing shows and that will curb some of the tv producers from putting it on. Best FFS video Ive seen.
Hi Andrew I just sent a good article to a Elite friend of mine about the PGA reeling back the flight and distance of the golf ball,The golf ball tech has gotten out of control and letting these guys drive the ball almost 400 yards,The reason the PGA is doing this is because this tech is wrecking all of these older and traditional golf course like Augusta National and others,Now the parallel is FFS is potentially affecting the population of Fish being pressured on a daily basis, love the show tell me what you think !
The only thing I hate about Live Scope is I can’t afford to buy one!!
It’s really sad the amount of hate. I blocked a guy today just because I’m not gonna listen to the negativity and the things I wanted to say to him would have got me banned lol.
The word "hate" is so overused it is ridiculous. Disagreement is not necessarily "hate". Are you going to charge him with a "HATE crime"?
@@cuivre2004There is a difference between a disagreement and hate. You saying I think FFS is cheating and me saying its not would be a disagreement. Going out and attacking someone as a person or attacking their family is a little more than a disagreement. No I am not gonna charge them with a hate crime lol. I am just going to block or ignore them because truthfully I do not care what some little keyboard warrior thinks about me. I just think the amount of hate and anger that has come from all this is crazy.
@@PSchaeferLife If they "attack" you or your family, they 1. should be charged with assault (if used in the literal sense) or 2. mocked for losing the argument so badly they have resort to ad hominem rhetoric (if you meant "figuratively attacking). Words still aren't a violent attack though, so I just take it as a weak debater who waves the white flag whenever they resort to that.
@@cuivre2004 sure
Im installing active target on my boat this weekend for this next year. I’ve used it recently and it is definitely an advantage. In my opinion its the same as when sidescan came out and I couldn’t afford it until later on. Question i have is how do they outlaw the aquaview camera and allow this? The ffs is more of an advantage than the camera in my opinion because you can see further out. Just asking the question.
Hang in there Andrew, I agree with everything you said 💯. I’m sure we will see many advances that will make Forward Facing Sonar seem like an old school flasher 😉
I have mixed feelings about this subject. I think there is a place for it. In fact I’m saving up to buy my FFS. However, I’m not a Professional Angler who is dependent on fans, sponsors and others to make a living. I have no issue with a professional using it if done right! ! ! I have anglers I follow (no names mentioned) that keep their heads down the whole tournament. Then there is people like Scott Martin, Andrew Nordby, Brian Latermire who all have it yet the talk and tell the fans what they are doing during the day. It’s awesome to watch as they relate to the fans. Then you have those who look down and say nothing. There is a place and I’m looking forward to it. But I think these young guns need to either learn to relate to the fans or learn to fish without it until they build a fan base. Andrew I love to follow you, you have been a favorite for a while. I honestly think there needs to be some regulation on this system.
"They" say that "they are tired of hearing caught them scoping...in the lower levels BFL ...Toyota..clubs... etc. Where there is no live coverage do you thing anglers might not tell the whole truth and say their scoping and they are not...so they sound cool...if guys would lie about a lure...why not that...next it's gonna be I looked at them all day but couldn't get them to eat...It's hard fir me to belive all these guy's have learned how to use it...they couldn't do anything with a flasher or side scan but read the bottom
The vast majority of fisherman have embraced technology in one form or fashion to enjoy this great sport. I for one, learned to fish as a child using crickets and cane poles. but over time, my skill level progressed and I learned to use spinning rods, bait casters, artificial lures, and yes, fish finders. Now that technology has advanced enough to allow us to use forward facing sonar (FFS), I will also add that to my skillset. We have all embraced technology in some way. So unless the critics are noodling, they are not credible critics and are being pretty hypocritical.
Did you watch the Randy interview on Mercer? The dude is a joke. He said none of the top 10 at an event innthe Elites would have been there without FFS and then at the end talks about how martial arts comps taught him not to underestimate his opponents. Dude's a joke. I hated seeing it win at Okeechobee but if you can't adapt, step away.
I'm not anti FFS, wish I had it but I don't. I'm in favor on limits on electronics in general (total number of units or total inches of screen) but dont want ffs banned. I can read a flasher, still have one on my boat. I don't have side scan on my boat. I don't have built in maps, I've only had gps function for four years now. Due to several factors (this feud being a component) I've started seeing the end of professional fishing within 15 years with the trajectory were on
I see attacking going both ways. Ffs is just a touchy subject. People attack people against ffs and in reverse.
BM was totally without class on his Bass After Dark podcast interview with RB.
Great video, couldn't agree more. We also need positivity and to come together as people. The world is a horrible place, fishing is supposed to be an outlet. Remember why we all started this sport in the first place. Because it's fun.
I couldn't comment on the podcast today so I'll do it here. 1 traditionally tournament fishing has and always will be at the cutting edge of technology whether it is tackle boats baits sonar etc.. they do so to match. Example does a military look to gain a tech advantage? Of course it does! Technology will always advance and trickle down to other industries. If you want to embrace it you'll do well with it. If not you'll be left behind reminiscing about the good old days. 2. There are broader issues concerning fishing from spraying grass to golden algae lakes getting old silting in the list goes on far be it that table rock or Toledo gets racked with golden algae and see all bass die! Randy would have the biggest following ever after all those tears he'd probably get enough support to run for office 😂. 3 Tod's run in with the first guy he won't say much but that's what worries me it's the people that don't say much when it pisses them off those are the ones you have to worry about. Tod probably jumped in the other guys boat smacked him around jumped in his boat and left. If you want more fanciful stories then let me know. I'll put em in the comments when I can!!
I hate when people try and say that the fisherman using ffs don’t understand how much better the old ways of fishing were but the fact is that it was better for them back in the day but newer anglers are enjoying the new ways just as much so if you are going to compete you need to step up your game. You don’t have to agree with it but technology is not slowing down so the anglers complaining about ffs is falling on deaf ears. I’m 55yrs old and have seen a ton of changes in the sport some good and some not so good but the negativity we are seeing today is more harmful than any technology. Mother Nature will someday decide who’s right or wrong so until then we just have opinions and there’s no reason to hate someone over their opinion. Now I’m going to watch Todd,Andrew,and Matt because their topic today will be epic!!
Too much of a good thing, takes away degree of sportsmanship.
Same as hunting deer with a scoped high powered rifle. Ive always hunted deer with a bow.
I watched tournaments to improve my own fishing, i dont need a bunch of jerk aits or suspended fishing lures.
I think hate in fishing loses sight of what fishing is about. I’m just sitting here with my bucket of popcorn watching all of it.
Ur missing the whole point of what Randy is saying
FFS is ruining smaller lakes. On my favorite 1750 acre, historically big tournament bass have been 6-8lbs. When FFS became popular it went to 9-11lbs. Now it’s gone back to 5-6lbs. They have decimated the big brooding stock. They will continue to target the biggest bass in the lake until there is nothing left but dinks.
Randy Blaukat is one of this biggest problems you have. I was a fan and subscribed to him but his whining about FFS and his ignorance of how it works is just too much to take. When anyone makes a comment correcting him, his responses are rude and belittling. He has a cult following of guys that thinks he walks on water and they take what he says as the gospel. I’m not a fan of Milikin but he embarrassed Randy with facts and Randy responded with feelings and lies. For example, so many people talk of it costing too much, throw numbers out there like $25k to $30k. That’s ludicrous. I had a 3 yr old Lowrance and I was able to upgrade the software, add a FFS transducer for $1500 and it was working.
Bottom line, Randy hasn’t made a profit from fishing in about 15 years. Now he is making a profit by being a CZcams influencer for anti-FFS.
Ban Randy Blaukat.
BTW, no hate at you….catching big bass off the bed and releasing it there is fine. There is a very good chance she will lay her eggs.
Catching them off the bed, carrying them in a live well all day, taking them to a stage to weigh and hold up for pictures ……..then releasing her miles from her bed…….NOT GOOD. The mortality rate on those fish has proven to be nearly 50% and the ones that live won’t be laying eggs to make new bass.
Just a thought. Good video.
Agree with everything you said, except the mortality rate of bed fish. Can you provide a link to that study?
Yep agree 100 percent
@@TheFishdoctor1952 There is data out there but the easiest way to see the details of the mortality rate is to see BassFiahingHQ page. He shows several interesting studies.
On a personal note, a couple days after a big Bassmaster tourney on Toho resulted in a huge fish kill. There were dead 5 pounders all over the place near the weigh-in ramp. It destroyed the spawn for us and took a while for fishing to recover.
I don’t have a problem with FFS, I just don’t think it has a place in pro fishing, just my opinion, which doesn’t mean squat.
Hey Andrew, I was listening to your live with Todd and heard you say you like the balzout mounts on the console for your graphs. Just to let you know, the new console in the cats them mounts are a lot higher than the old console. I just rigged one a couple weeks ago, and you can't see over them like the old console. Just a heads up. I'm a dealer in San Antonio.
Everyone used flashers on Toledo in the 70’s. Fun!
I’m right there with you on the ffs. My only deal is I can’t stand watching someone watch a screen and not interacting with the camera. Would I use it definitely, would I rely on it to catch fish no but that’s me. Should they ban it ,no but i think regulations for it might be the best of both worlds. Maybe use it for practice to locate fish and mark your spots then for the actual tournament you can’t use it. I don’t know if that would work but imo i think that it would please both sides the one’s that like it and the one’s that don’t.
This is the best video you have posted to date.
Glad you took time to post this and get your feelings out to the public.
It the words of Gerald Swindle "There are people on the internet who hate Jesus, and he never did anything to anyone."
Andrew, do you think if an angler is using his FFS looking at the fish that the fish should be hooked inside the mouth when he catches it, just like bed fishin???
I agree regulations on creek and bag limits would be the appropriate response if populations have been affected.
I'm a weekend warrior that doesn't tourney fish in my club anymore. I have it on my boat and use it on occasion to fun fish. I do think there needs to be limits of some sort like number of screens, transducers and such.
Debating a contentious issue is never a bad move. Things must be fully vetted and given oxygen to breath and get all points heard. I remember when the COVID vaccine mandates were going around- you were banned on many platforms for asking if this was necessarily a good idea. (history tells us the rest of that story). Conservative speakers are kicked off college campuses due to censorship. Same way comedians refuse to go there as well. What is so dangerous about simple dialogue if we are, as Andrew said, all adults? Those who are afraid of a debate typically have good reason to be afraid- perhaps they protest TOO much? If people cannot hold it together and blow a gasket the way BM did on Bass After Dark, they should own up to their demeanor-don't put it on the other opposing side saying they are the ones who turned them into the DB.
I watch a lot of these videos about FFS. I can't get over the fact that all the guys saying its just a tool and we don't need it, are ranting about the ones who want it banned. If it's not that big of a deal just use it and see what happens. Maybe they start a non FFS tour and it bombs, or maybe it takes off and you have another place to compete.
I would think a non electronic circuit would have already come on board by now. Maybe an annual tournament, but not a circuit.
New NON FFS tour is starting soon...$300,000 1st place. Johnny Morris is behind it!@@TheFishdoctor1952
not against ffs but I do think it needs limits
1. how many Trans on boats
2. how many screens
but I hate to ban stuff because the next ban might be what I like
but yes limits
needs to be some
plus not fair to up coming guys to buy a boat then truck then spend 25,000 on tech with 6 screens to have a chance
and please stop it with
look at cox
shoot even he gets way points and please don't say
pros don't get way points shoot I gave way points and brush away to some
even had a few help me put out brush
but yes limits sounds ok
The fact that things are so divided should tell you something. You said your biggest win FFS wasn’t used but it’s dominated the league for the last few years. I saw a guide the other day that was bragging about teaching a middle aged man who has never bass fished and wanted to learn how and was starting the guy off fishing with FFS and said he has fallen in love with the sport because of it the guy has no idea how to read a lake. There is such thing as to much technology you see this in other sports and they have to monitor this to keep the sport still a sport. All those big females that go offshore during summer and winter that didn’t get caught for the most part are now getting beat up and eaten. FFS hasn’t been around long enough to build up enough data to study yet but it’s coming.
We all have opinions! My opinion is that spotlighting crosses the line. I simply don’t watch FFS dominated tourneys. To each their own. A simple choice! I always pull for the pro anglers who actually fish.
Just be yourself Andrew. Don't worry about the haters, sight fishing is great !!!!!! FFS is great also if you use it at certain times, the electronics has came along way. If i don't want to use them or do use them it should be up to me
Andrew you getting the hang of this you tube!!! 🤓 Thanks for the insight🤠"You fish the way you want 🐟🤓 I'll fish the way i want!!! 🎣🤠" There's your sign😜🤪
The problem is your are so confident in you opinion. There is a whole side that your aren’t considering. You are a pro and most likely practice catch and release. You also are skilled at handling the bass in a manor that will give it the best chance to survive when it is released. The technology is trickling down and the weekend warriors, bass eaters, and poachers now have it on their boats. Now you have the poachers taking way more fish home than they ever would have taken if they didn’t have FFS. You have the wannabe weekend warrior who goes out for 8 hours in 86 degree water and saves his bass in a broken live well just so he can get that photo of him holding 5 fish at the same time. It has opened up a whole new level of illegal activity in the lakes in Fl, I see people getting away with it everyday. There are only 900 FWC officers in the entire state. Then we can have the conversation about the guys I saw using it to catch and keep Tarpon. You need to start looking at the big picture instead of just being selfish and looking at it from a professional Tournament angler viewpoint.
No one is talking about mapping the lake ffs is not mapping it is spot lighting . We do not allow people to go and spotlight our deer so why do we allow people to spot light fish. Tournament fishing should be like car racing where certain groups have so much they can to a car before they are put in another group.. I think you need to regulate the tec part . If one has ffs then all should have ffs wheather they use it or not is up to them . but there should be tournaments with no ffs . Bass fishing has become a rich man;s game with $100'000 boats and traveling all over the country it has run the little guy out of the picture . Everyone has an opinion and for sure ffs is here to stay. Making tournaments more even for all is what has to happen or the bass fishing industry can 't survive
😮 They need to put Randy and Ben in a steel cage < winner gets his way < Lets get ready to rumble *
My biggest complaint about ffs that the co-angler’s get turned into net boys. Thy are not getting a chance to put fish in the boat. That is my complaint.
It’s just another tool, do I catch fish with it absolutely, there is alot of fish that you see but still can’t catch them.
You adapt and survive or you don't
You’re going to upset Randy.
This is exactly like e-bikes vs analog, the hate runs deep.
You had me at flint rifle, but you really hooked me at SIGHT FISHING! Let’s go!!!!!
The only people that complain are people that don't have it and think it's as easy as just putting it in the water and you'll catch everything and dominate in any tournament...... it's not the way people think it is. I've seen people zero in tournaments that use livescope all the time.