Progress On The Mini Rollback!...Kinda

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  • čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
  • We try to help ‪@Rudysadventureanddesignreal‬‪@Rudysadventureanddesignreal‬ figure out how to turn the mini dump truck into a mini offroad rollback.

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  • @nexiabiamp
    @nexiabiamp Před 6 měsíci +14

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I’m so glad to see you again Trevor.

  • @shadetreemetalworks
    @shadetreemetalworks Před 6 měsíci +79

    If you put vacuum on one side of the cylinder, two things will happen. First, cavitation. There are two ways to boil a liquid: heat, and vacuum. Second, if you put one side of the piston under vacuum, the resulting force comes from the atmosphere PUSHING the piston, for a maximum pressure differential of about 14.5psi. Your hydraulic pump obviously delivers a lot more pressure, and doesn't try to boil the fluid while it works.

    • @GuyChapman
      @GuyChapman Před 6 měsíci +30

      Also the seals only work one way. You need dual seals and a feed to the other side of the seal.

    • @MisAdventureLab
      @MisAdventureLab  Před 6 měsíci +16

      👊🏼

    • @Page5framing
      @Page5framing Před 6 měsíci +4

      What he said. Plus hydraulic rams push both ways depending on which valve is actuated.

    • @SirensC3
      @SirensC3 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Thanks for saving me all the typing. You are spot on.

    • @Kevin-ti3rz
      @Kevin-ti3rz Před 6 měsíci +2

      Use the vacuum to remove the air add a hole to hook up your compressor. Then open the valve on the compressor pushing air into the vacuum behind the ball .

  • @lookingattheworldthroughth9898
    @lookingattheworldthroughth9898 Před 6 měsíci +13

    Shop I used to work in built cylinders. If you put a fitting at each end, with a selector valve each side would be pressure and the opposite would drain. Just like a log splitter.

  • @walthanas
    @walthanas Před 6 měsíci +19

    You guys never cease to amaze me with your hilarious antics. That "protective" outfit that Trevor wore when "firing" the tennis ball really made me laugh out loud!
    Look forward to seeing the mini offroad rollback finished!

  • @daviddavis9720
    @daviddavis9720 Před 6 měsíci +22

    “You can’t make a sound in a vacuum!” And then there’s the staged creeper and bit set for kicking and stepping on! Trevor is hilarious! Tucker is an excellent editor!

    • @GeorgesBrown
      @GeorgesBrown Před 6 měsíci

      Tucker won’t admit it but I (Georges) will, I think he’s an awesome editor!!

  • @vw6368
    @vw6368 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I am very happy to see you both, Trevor & Tucker. Hope Rudy does a good job.

  • @K3NnY_G
    @K3NnY_G Před 6 měsíci +9

    It's awesome seeing both of you, honestly some of my favorite dudes from Matt's channel I don't miss on his channel because y'all are so much better doing your own thing.
    2:15 - I'd throw something at em' from across the shop for that one. Freakin' amazing response, I actually laughed.

  • @richardmeisingerjr.1308
    @richardmeisingerjr.1308 Před 6 měsíci +19

    That hurt my back watching Trevor trip over the creeper while carrying the heavy bed.

    • @46wireboy
      @46wireboy Před 6 měsíci +4

      That hurt everything, from my shoulders down. I'm oldish.

  • @feelslikefar50
    @feelslikefar50 Před 4 měsíci

    "Hey I'm Trevor, and I'm Tucker, Thanks for watching Dumber Every Day" 😁
    Good to see you guys and see you having fun.

  • @frankhage1734
    @frankhage1734 Před 6 měsíci +6

    I recommend y'all use a winch, cable and pulleys to move the bed back and forwards. Use a standard electric winch as a capstan and have springs provide tension on the cable. Mount a buffer battery and a 2nd winch on the tilting bed to pull vehicles up the ramp.

    • @toddhoffmaster6057
      @toddhoffmaster6057 Před 6 měsíci +2

      That is what I was going to write, as well. Simple and effective, shouldn't need more than 1500lbs of winch to work.

  • @dustcommander100
    @dustcommander100 Před 6 měsíci +5

    I think that vacuum on the single-acting cylinder resulted in the seal leaking. It's designed to hold fluid in, not keep air out. Once a little air gets in, the hydraulic pump can't function properly. But I know that you guys, along with Rudy and Zach, will work these issues out. "Misadventure Labs, overcoming physics one molecule at a time". 😊

  • @timothymelius9
    @timothymelius9 Před 6 měsíci +3

    You guys crack me up. I enjoy watching you guys. You need to make more videos.

  • @jimmybrown788
    @jimmybrown788 Před 6 měsíci +1

    The rams on our loaders have a fitting at top and bottom top is to pump fluid in to retract and bottom to push fluid to extend

  • @AlexeiTetenov
    @AlexeiTetenov Před 6 měsíci +1

    Thank you for sharing!

  • @mavrick7212
    @mavrick7212 Před 5 měsíci

    You guys need supervision and I volunteer to participate... I mean supervise... your next misadventure.
    Muhuhuhuhuh
    Carry on men. ❤❤❤

  • @brettmorton7365
    @brettmorton7365 Před 6 měsíci +1

    3,2,1.. you sunk my battleship 😂 gold
    Years ago i worked in a frozen chip factory.. endless ammo... Needless to say the old shop compressor and reservoir made a great spud gun on wheels..😁

  • @johnd71
    @johnd71 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Great antics guys, keen them coming :-) Jon UK

  • @DDrenegade6632
    @DDrenegade6632 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Nice to see you all working together again. Most entertaining crew to watch! 😂

  • @alexandregingras6004
    @alexandregingras6004 Před 4 měsíci

    The editing with the green cart was amazing.

  • @xray235
    @xray235 Před 6 měsíci +1

    With a tight seal around the projectile, you needed to pull a vacuum on the tube in front of it. This decreases the air pressure that acts as a spring, stopping the ball before it leaves the barrel. The best results will be if you use the dump-tank to rupture the foil seal after the tube in front of the ball has been vacuumed. I can't wait to see further testing and dummy damage.
    Keep up the good work. Love your channel.

  • @jigmonster101
    @jigmonster101 Před 6 měsíci +1

    The Mini truck is coming along great! We can't wait to see you guys put it to work with the mini Jeeps.
    Take Care!
    Jon and my "Mini" me Eli
    "Point Six...Ohhh" 😂

  • @grahamquigley8818
    @grahamquigley8818 Před 6 měsíci +2

    A genuine real laugh when the ship fell off the wall after Trevor's expert installation. Discount mythbusters with the three ex morrscuteers is hilarious. More Rudi please, he does go well with Trevor and Tucker. BTW watch out for the garage creeper, Trev. Gday from Australia. :)

  • @danrussell3439
    @danrussell3439 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Just found this channel. I’m glad that I did. It’s like running into old friends. Now I got to back to the beginning and what every video. Great Video

  • @claudiaveltrie1532
    @claudiaveltrie1532 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I’m just glad I don’t have to pick up all that glass!! 😱 You guys are hilarious! Oh dear! Trevor is going to need a back adjustment after that trip! 😳 Hope you weren’t “tweeked”! Can’t wait to see the finished little truck!

  • @robnobrc
    @robnobrc Před 6 měsíci +1

    You guys had me LAUGHING in my recliner this am watching you and your ball experiment efforts!!
    Love you guys!

  • @casperme6552
    @casperme6552 Před 6 měsíci +11

    I see a Misadventure Labs video, i click 👍

  • @TBIguy
    @TBIguy Před 6 měsíci +7

    It’s because you don’t have a Ram with double ended packing and a 2 stage pump

    • @TBIguy
      @TBIguy Před 6 měsíci +1

      @misadventurelab
      That scissor lift and the ram had lots of limitations, if your frame isn’t perfectly straight (not parked evenly) when you operate it, it can cause twisting and binding, (I have more than 50 home built dump trailers under my belt) long story short… a simple hinge on the left and right frame on the back hooking to the bed, than 1) 16” ram on each side to lift the bed would make the bed lift and lower evenly regardless the angle of the truck or parking position, cal-ranch has everything you need, aside from the pump itself, you should only be into parts $300 in grand total!

  • @MrFredsDIY
    @MrFredsDIY Před 6 měsíci

    Progress! If you guys order enough parts it’s bound to work! It’s in good hands with Rudy.

  • @ramjam720
    @ramjam720 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Excellent work guys. Your Nobel Prize is in the mail.

  • @jimdavison4077
    @jimdavison4077 Před 6 měsíci

    We use to make potatoe cannons and use acetylene to fire it when I worked at a scap yard about 30 years ago. We were getting enough power to drive the firewall of a car back about a foot.

  • @tubeu28
    @tubeu28 Před 6 měsíci +1

    You are going to do it! Keep up the great work!

  • @samuelrussell6503
    @samuelrussell6503 Před 6 měsíci +1

    You were using one hydraulic line on one end and you need a line on each end with a control box to divert the fluid to either end.

  • @nickt9467
    @nickt9467 Před 6 měsíci

    Single versus double acting cylinders in hydraulics. Single acting cylinders need an additional force to compress, be it gravity or a return spring or something. Double-acting cylinders pump into the other end, pushing the rod back to it's starting position. The reason vacuum isn't involved could be attributed to diameter reduction from the vacuum (not likely), directional seals (unlikely), or the hydraulic fluid vaporizing (very likely). Pneumatics don't have this problem because there is no fluid to vaporize.
    Chances are if you hooked up Rudy's original design, the weight of the tilt tray itself would have helped the thing work a bit better, but if you were trying to cantilever a load up off the ground you would have run into one of the issues above.

  • @bobtucker8875
    @bobtucker8875 Před 6 měsíci

    Well that was very interesting 🧐. Thanks 👍 for sharing.

  • @Noone-jn3jp
    @Noone-jn3jp Před 6 měsíci

    The piston in a push/pull cylinder is different. They have double lip seals in opposing directions and a pressure line on both ends. The seals require pressure on the “inside” (pressure side) of the volume to seal. When you pull the “vacuum” you are actually pulling fluid past the seals and that gave you the goofy bounce trying to get it to close.

  • @gcfirestorm12
    @gcfirestorm12 Před 6 měsíci +1

    We need these guys on TV. A TV series would be amazing

  • @stevep2189
    @stevep2189 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Trevor, you crack me up. Love the videos, keep 'em coming 👍

  • @Buck1954
    @Buck1954 Před 6 měsíci

    Take some PVC pipe and place a valve stem in the wall. Glue up a chamber with a ball valve at one end and a cap at the other. On the other ball valve side install your barrel. Fill the air chamber with 5 pounds of air, place your projectile in the barrel and open the valve. There are many ways of doing this. It looks like you may have the other end plugged, or your losing all of your pressure out the back instead of in the barrel. Yeah, compressor tank will work.

  • @charliegould5865
    @charliegould5865 Před 6 měsíci

    Some things never change, Trevor still trips over😅
    Not enough volume of vacuum (if that makes sense) for the inrush of air to fire the ball out of the vacuum gun. Compressed air from the bead seater is the way to go!

  • @Backroad_Junkie
    @Backroad_Junkie Před 6 měsíci +20

    Kids, don't do this at home. Do it at a friend's house! 😁

  • @jimlangerie
    @jimlangerie Před 6 měsíci

    The seals only work one way. When you push fluid in on one side, the seal "pushes out" and effectively blocks the oil, pushing the cylinder. When you suck on it, it pulls the seal and allows air to come in the other way.
    Double-acting cylinders have seals facing both directions (effectively). Some do it with O-rings as well (or additionally).
    Think of a crank seal on an engine. What happens when you put it in backwards?

  • @dannop2562
    @dannop2562 Před 6 měsíci

    Watching the first few minutes, I was thinking “I wonder what Supply Center has in stock right now?”
    Lo and behold… Supply Center had some DC linear actuators a couple years back (12v or 24v or…?) from some sort of solar panel apparatus that had a working rating of 6000+ lbs. which probably would’ve also worked for your application.
    I was going to make a lift table that could double as a forklift, but I missed out on them.

  • @flyingpeter
    @flyingpeter Před 6 měsíci

    i belive the hydraulic seals are directional and need the oil to work properly, so if you put the cylinder under vacum they will collapse and let air into the system, so it wont pull anything

  • @Camoburb
    @Camoburb Před 6 měsíci

    Need one if those new 4cl LS motors in that rollback. 300 hp and maybe 35s😁

  • @OregonMike
    @OregonMike Před 6 měsíci +10

    Tucker didn't even need the channel locks, he just didn't want to show you guys up that bad. 😂

  • @bradleymadosh911
    @bradleymadosh911 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I love this channel

  • @stephaniemikesell1760
    @stephaniemikesell1760 Před 6 měsíci

    Best watch on CZcams!!!

  • @user-ou5zt3dy5c
    @user-ou5zt3dy5c Před 6 měsíci

    Well well well nice to see the boys back at it again !

  • @Tanks-Link
    @Tanks-Link Před 6 měsíci

    10:33 that tire blaster right there is what we use on our potato gun but you have to be careful because an Idaho potato shot through a piece of 2 inch schedule 80 pvc will cause serious damage to things

  • @rarelyright
    @rarelyright Před 6 měsíci +1

    Trevor you forgot your groin Tupperware

  • @JohnWallace74
    @JohnWallace74 Před 6 měsíci

    Misadventures Lab is an excellent name for this channel..

  • @akadventurer7563
    @akadventurer7563 Před 6 měsíci

    Cavitation maybe(depending on viscosity of that oil, im not sure you could cavitate it enough to matter), but how about check valve, or flow limiter valves? Any ram I've worked around wont let fluid flow back very fast as a safety feature, even if its "released" to return as designed.

  • @billj4859
    @billj4859 Před 6 měsíci

    You sank my battleship!!!!!!

  • @MIKEH.777
    @MIKEH.777 Před 6 měsíci +1

    It will work just like the hydraulic lift you have in your shop. 😊

  • @wackowacko8931
    @wackowacko8931 Před 6 měsíci

    Maximum amount of vacuum pressure possible at sea level is about 30 inches of Hg (or psi). Since you are operating at roughly 4500 ft above sea level (Utah), it is going to be less, about 29 psi. Given this, it isn't going to operate a ram at all at that pressure even with no load on it. And yes, cavitation of the hydraulic pump is an issue. There is a reason that they have to use double acting rams in most hydraulic systems that don't have a constant load to retract the ram.

  • @titaniumhen
    @titaniumhen Před 6 měsíci

    You guys aren't old enough to remember this; back in the early 70's, we used to take 5 or 6 beer cans, cut each end out, then duct taped them together, we drilled a hole in the last can that had an end to it, We inserted a tennis ball, squirted lighter fluid into the hole in the bottom end, then we lit a lighter to the bottom hole, and then BOOM!!! The tennis ball shot out. It would go about 100 yards in the air. Several years later, the potato launcher was invented - that was fun too.
    BTW, we did live through all of this silliness.
    You guys are too funny.
    Trevor, watch out for that green creeper!
    Duck Dynasty of the Desert!

  • @cw50must
    @cw50must Před 6 měsíci +1

    The picture falling off the wall was the best!

  • @tonygoen5488
    @tonygoen5488 Před 6 měsíci

    Suction depends on a vacuum. In a vacuum you can only get 1 atmosphere of “pressure” (I.e. vacuum). With a pressure device there is essentially no limit as to how much effort (pressure) you can generate. One atmosphere is about 14.7 psi, which is all you can get with vacuum actuation.

  • @elsydeon666
    @elsydeon666 Před 6 měsíci

    1:03 forbidden cherry cough syrup

  • @pestcontrolguys
    @pestcontrolguys Před 6 měsíci +1

    Good stuff! Can we have a mini truck meet up when this is all done?

  • @steven.h0629
    @steven.h0629 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Ya done it! 👍😎✊

  • @wyomingjeepoutdoors4754
    @wyomingjeepoutdoors4754 Před 6 měsíci

    It’s because the piston seal is a one way seal look at the lip in it it hold pressure only when oil is pushing against the lip

  • @blythewarland5459
    @blythewarland5459 Před 6 měsíci

    tap into the other end put a 2 way valve in and push from the other end, lots of rams like that just look at the one on your jeeps steering

  • @user-gx4ke8ws1q
    @user-gx4ke8ws1q Před 6 měsíci

    If I recall the o rings if you want to call them that. They are beveled to take pressure the when gravity can work to let the piston close if I rember its been a minute.

  • @SansNeural
    @SansNeural Před 6 měsíci

    "Tell us why that doesn't work"
    My background: Since 1986 designing and programming automated machines that test hydraulic components, including gear pumps like the one in your hydraulic power pack. There are a lot of complexities in hydraulics, but at the root, this one is simple: That pump can push at maybe 3000 PSI or more, but it just can barely suck. That gear pump would like to see a positive pressure at its inlet (ie oil level higher than the pump inlet), but it might be able to suck at a few PSI, but only single or very low double-digits of negative PSI. And it won't like it. That's just how gear pumps (and most pumps) work.
    You need either a double-acting cylinder or two single acting cylinders working in opposite directions. Either way your valving will get a little more complicated, but nothing too crazy.

  • @andrewedwards5889
    @andrewedwards5889 Před 6 měsíci

    It's because the seal that moves the cylinder is only a one way seal. When you put a vacuum on it'll pull air passed it

  • @Buck1954
    @Buck1954 Před 6 měsíci

    Go look at a bulldozer hydraulic system. Hoses go into both ends of the ram and the hydraulic pump pushes from either direction.

  • @rodx5571
    @rodx5571 Před 6 měsíci

    There are 2 way cylinders with 2 way valves. Thats what you need. I build hydraulic systems. Call your closest NAPA.

  • @nicholasmccoy1336
    @nicholasmccoy1336 Před 6 měsíci

    I’d just like to say: I am waiting with bated breath for a hair update video. I just scheduled my appointment yesterday for Estenove. July 9th boys!!!!!

  • @guygrotke8059
    @guygrotke8059 Před 6 měsíci

    Shadetreemetalworks is right: You can only suck about 15 PSI. Much too weak to do any good, plus your seals only work in one direction. So what you need, is one cylinder going in one direction, and another going the other way. Or get a bidirectional hydraulic cylinder, with inlets on both ends.

  • @michaelc.3812
    @michaelc.3812 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Gotta ask Tom Tom, as he has the mechanical engineering degree and he can tell ya what to do! I’m just a dumb ole electrical engineer and we don’t pump oil….

  • @Blakrex
    @Blakrex Před 6 měsíci

    I like seeing all of those 6s Kratons.

  • @user-wp7tm6uh5s
    @user-wp7tm6uh5s Před 6 měsíci

    Don't waste your time with vacuum It will work but will make no appreciable force in one direction. The extend direction force is pressure x area = Force. a hard vacuum is inches of vacuum not PSI a huge difference. you could use a seperate cylinder for each direction but a bi directional is the best choice. Don't forget the force formula the rod diamiter area gets subtracted from the bore diamiter of the return area for a significant reduction in force. Pulling your deck down and pushing the deck up where the cylinder has more power is the best option.

  • @amadensor
    @amadensor Před 6 měsíci

    Even if you suck out all of the fluid and the seals don't let air in, the maximum pressure you can get is 14.7 psi at sea level. It isn't really suction at all, it's the air pressure in the world pushing.

  • @lrcb40
    @lrcb40 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I’m thinking the seal design only works one way… single lip kinda thing

  • @frankbellemare88
    @frankbellemare88 Před 6 měsíci

    Damn I miss something I was wondering where you've been I guess I got some video to listen to catch up

  • @cheesyvideo
    @cheesyvideo Před 6 měsíci

    Rather than using a hydraulic ram have you considered using a ram with a wormscrew? And regarding your ping-pong ball cannon you need to find one of last few episodes of Mythbusters. They did what you are trying to do. They were able to severely damage a side of pork (analog for a human) with a ping-pong ball. IIRC their ping-pong ball reached several hundred MPH.

  • @Raio_Verusia
    @Raio_Verusia Před 6 měsíci

    the tube looks to be bowing a little bit which would be just enough friction to stop that projectile.

  • @JimsRCandAuto
    @JimsRCandAuto Před 6 měsíci

    Just to add info to what @shadetreemetalworks said and what is in the comments section of his post ( which isa spot on ) you also have the issue of the impellers driving the fluid. Not all impellers and pump housings can pump fluid the opposite direction efficiently.

  • @robertwilson7308
    @robertwilson7308 Před 6 měsíci

    It's a displacement cylinder for lifting and the weight lowers it you need a double acting cylinder

  • @kentonblair8848
    @kentonblair8848 Před 6 měsíci

    Your vacuum problem is very simple, the air pressure at sea level is just under 15psi and you are at a decent altitude so your pressure is probably closer to 14psi. That is the maximum you can get under perfect conditions. A double acting cylinder is your only possibility. Keep in mind that any double acting cylinder will have less force available when retracting as you must subtract the area under the rod itself. Have fun, love your work(?).

  • @weberlori5239
    @weberlori5239 Před 6 měsíci

    You killed him!!!!
    Thank God Tucker wasn't behind picture lol

  • @jaylemieux9169
    @jaylemieux9169 Před 6 měsíci

    Just make a valve body with one pump and use that to change the direction of the flow to push or pull

  • @sandkworkshop
    @sandkworkshop Před 6 měsíci

    I just picked up a couple of rams from J & L in St. George. They would know all you need to know.

  • @philcarr7015
    @philcarr7015 Před měsícem

    Look for the old Mythbusters episode about table tennis ball canons. They made one that was pretty powerful.

  • @Russianmafia10
    @Russianmafia10 Před 6 měsíci

    The reason the vacuum doesn't work is because you can push with as much psi as you want, but you can only suck 14.5 psi at the most since that's atmospheric pressure

  • @GeorgeShirah
    @GeorgeShirah Před 6 měsíci

    11:38 the ball hit him so hard he FARTED 🍑💨

  • @johngraymusic
    @johngraymusic Před 6 měsíci

    The reason it will not work is because the cylinder is a one way cylinder. It's not made for going 2 different directions. It's made for lyft and then gravity closes the cylinder. If it were a two way cylinder , it would have seals and the proper piston for it. And the hydraulic arm would have a port on the top of the side of the arm as well, note, get the right cylinder. 😊

  • @theone2be33
    @theone2be33 Před 6 měsíci

    I think you need 2 lines on the end of the ram. So fluid has somewhere to go other than the tube. Kinda like a reservoir.

  • @garyvincent9663
    @garyvincent9663 Před 6 měsíci

    Shouldn't you drill a hole in the other end of the ram and attach a fitting to put pressure on the backside?

  • @brucewilson1133
    @brucewilson1133 Před 4 měsíci

    Ohhh no, did a research on that ship and it’s very important! That picture was worth 50 000$ lol 😂

  • @gophersk
    @gophersk Před 6 měsíci

    You guys should consult with Tom Tom - mechanical engineer.. LOL

  • @xxBlazinBobxx
    @xxBlazinBobxx Před 6 měsíci

    11:20 Like Top Gear! Mess around for a bit trying a few things, then blow it up!

  • @brockryan3405
    @brockryan3405 Před 6 měsíci

    When things go wrong in the shop...I like to scream "TRevvvvvvvor!" or "RUUUUUUdddddyyyyyy" like in the OG MORR videos :)

  • @davidolsen7539
    @davidolsen7539 Před 6 měsíci

    I've really missed Trevor's and Rudy's silliness.

  • @torontocharlz
    @torontocharlz Před 6 měsíci +1

    maybe run two rams (opposite direction) with a directional control valve and one pump.

  • @horneygeorgeforge7079
    @horneygeorgeforge7079 Před 6 měsíci

    ask a hydrophilic shop for a two way pressure valve, and seals in the ram..

  • @thepubliceye
    @thepubliceye Před 6 měsíci +1

    Just use two cylinders mounted in opposite directions.

  • @joshmccoy1522
    @joshmccoy1522 Před 6 měsíci

    LOL, whatever it takes to sink the ship!

  • @robertbiggiebuts1927
    @robertbiggiebuts1927 Před 6 měsíci

    The old show "American Gladiators" use to shoot tennis ball's at 100mph