It’s actually less of ”What situation is appropriate to put Ellie in?”, it’s more a question of ”What story can they tell with these characters that’s at its core rooted in some deep, universal and powerful emotion?” What drove Neil to write Part II the way he did was that he wanted to not just follow the standard ”How do we recapture the beats everyone loved from the first game?”, something he called a recipe for disaster, but he wanted something that could be as fundamentally, emotionally poignant. So the first game had this core theme of the love between a parent and child and for Part II he chose this theme of intense hatred all tied up in that same old feeling of love and the idea is to put the player on an emotional arc. So Part I sees your relationship with Ellie grow in tandem with Joel’s and by the end you care for her like a parent. In Part II they make you hate Abby as much as possible and then try to bring you back from that and come to this emotional realization that it’s not gonna fix you to kill her, so your journey of anger and grief exists in a tandem relationship with Ellie and Abby. I think that because Neil if anything will use this more artistic approach rather than any sort of narrative prediction you could have, and because Part II’s ending is so wide open, with Ellie letting go of Joel, having lost everything and heading off to parts unknown that the game could be about almost anything, so long as it continues and concludes Ellie’s arc in some deeply profound way that the player themselves can follow along.
@@bink5242 Yeah, it's not about what the audience wants to be told, it's what they need to be told. And because the audience aren't all expert storytellers and writers, what they want concretely isn't gonna line up with what will bring them the deep emotional connection they crave with the material, which is the underlying thing that they need.
So, I decided not to play TLOU2 because I wasn't ready to be forced to sympathize with Joels killer, I think you just nailed a good reason for me to play it, killing her in a classic revenge story, which is what I thought TLOU2 would be from the first trailer, will not bring Joel back and won't make Ellie a better person. I think now I'm ready to play it
TLOU 3 could also continue Ellie's story. Ellie becomes a lone drifter much like Joel at the end of LOU2 so maybe Dina's child will change that. Maybe Dina passes away for some reason and Ellie has to teach Dina's child about how to stay safe in this dangerous world
As much as I like this idea, we already have this. The walking dead game dide this. And I also just think that this game deserves a better ending than something we've already seen. I like the idea in the video, as bittersweet as it is, tho I would also love to see ellie and her family come back together or as you said, maybe a lone drifter for a while, and she has a moment somewhere along the line that having people to love and protect and work for a better future is something she finds hope in. Or ultimately, because of of her immunity. Like the video, she gives herself for the cure.
That’s been done so many times. But yeah, I think they could go that route if there was something new they could offer. Why would she be protecting the baby though? Is he immune like she was? Then she would know what would happen to him at the end if she handed him over. Even if she pulled a fast one at the end and sacrificed herself at the end, which would wrap the story up nicely, that would be an obvious ending. Why is that story worth telling? I’m a writer. So I do this for a living everyday. And you need certain things to be able to tell a story. Not just a cool concept.
I imagine the doctor at the new place at the end is just like "wait kill you? No were just gonna take a sample you'll be fine after a couple weeks to heal from the procedure." And then Abby realized her dad was just one of those "angel of death" doctors.
That would be perfect. Also... the cure should fail to make it clear that Ellie's death in part one would be for nothing. At the same time they should realize that some change in the environment or a simple lack of new hosts make cordyceps slowly die out. The emphasis should be on nature always trying to find balance and there being no "cure" for a collapsed society other than actual hard work at trying to be human again.
I feel like a better story path would involve finding a cure Ellie can be a part of without killing herself, thus not making Joel's original rescue having been for nothing, while also showing he was ultimately right in saving her.
Joel will never “ultimately “ be right. Anyone who thinks Joel wasn’t absolutely selfish and crazy for saving Ellie is just delusional about this topic. He robbed the planet of the chance for a vaccine because he loved her. But by doing so they just expanded the amount of dead bodies not only caused by infected but by Ellie and himself. Like it’s just idiotic to argue against it: if Ellie’s life was worth dooming millions, how come the life of the ones she brutally murders are not just as worthy. TLOU is beautiful but part of that is knowing the main characters are not good people and they are being as “human” / animalistic / savage as it can be: surviving and wanting to life their own lives. Their morals, however, are ultimately flawed and wrong
@@danielz-v4083 I mean, he would be if they took the story path I brought up. Have it turn out the brain removal procedure would’ve been useless or something. You’re acting as if these are real events where every little thing that happened is set in stone, but at the end of the day it’s a fictional story, and it all depends on the direction the writers decide to take it.
i really love the idea that the third game dives deep into the early outbreak days. Just like Joel lost Sarah, Ellie loses Joel and now has to “find something to fight for”
i think ellie is losing herself in pt 3. shes fighting for and with herself, and i think shes gonna become a morbid alcoholic or something just to numb her ptsd from joel. i also want to mention that once youve played the game 5 times, you understand abby; and you realize how dull ellies part of the game is compared to hers. abbys a bitch but shes smarter than ellie, and ellie is also a bitch but more likable than abby- strictly because of joel. i dont think ellie will have much screen time, i think tommy or lev will though. tommy is my favorite character, and part 2 really dropped some juicy fucking lore on him too, too much so to just drop him entirely. abbys story is flat out unfinished, and ellies story just seems like its going downhill. part of me agrees with you, but i feel like theres nothing new to know from the past other than for tommy.
Interesting, but I've got an even better plot twist up my sleeve, now imagine if LEV turns out to be immune, and so Abby would now REALLY know what Joel went through and would be conflicted about it.
That's actually a really interesting idea! It'd be cool to put the pretty well hated character in a compromising position like that, and I imagine it'd be different enough that it's not a complete copy and paste of Joel and Ellie (since that was already a complaint, that the relationship between abby and lev was trying too hard to be like joel and ellie's)
I saw someone else’s part 3 pitch video that ended with Joel’s watch being placed on Ellie’s grave and it slowly began to start ticking, representing how hope has returned to the world and honestly since that I’ve been craving a part 3
@@lotusluv I don't think it's fully broken, the glass is just cracked. It also shows the exact time Sarah died so Joel maybe didn't wanna fix it, idk.
Part 1 was about opening yourself up to love and protecting it at what ever cost Part 2 was about vengeance and the lengths one will go to for justice when love is taken from you Part 3 should be about letting love go and move on
@@x-wing8785 i think if ellie did have the opportunity to sacrifice herself she would do it, everyone seems to have left her and she said in the first game to sam i'm scared of ending up alone, then it could cut to a scene where ellie and joel meet each other again.
I think it would be cool to play as Joel only a few/handful of years after the outbreak, or when him and Tess first met and the fucked up things they did. Obviously the infected wouldn't be as far evolved, but would be cool to play earlier in his life.
I think 3 should be more of a flashback like before the outbreak. And maybe getting to play as Joel when it was him and Sarah and a normal life. I’ve always wanted to know how the family was before the outbreak and then maybe show us who Ellie’s parents really were. Etc..
There is no story in that though. Not as compelling as the first two parts. Yeah, it would be cool to see. But that’s not enough to justify a 30 hour game. You have to understand the bar is set so high with these games. So the story has to be on the level of the first two. I could see where Neil could do a Part 2 at the end of Part 1. Even though it didn’t need it. I can’t see where he could do a part 3 at the end of two. And I’ve played the games a dozen times each. It’s just nothing there that would satisfy people. Joel is gone. As much as it’s sucks to say, there is not story left for Joel. Especially playing as him. You could do the parallel stuff with Joel in the past and Ellie in the present but you really need to justify that with the story. Other than that, there is no way to bring Joel back in as a playable character besides DLC.
I don't think the story has to be about the vaccine again. I would hate Ellie dying after all of what Joel did to show her that her life was worth living. I also don't think Abby should be related to the game, and having flashbacks would be weird. I think it has to be an Ellie only game with her helping other kind of people and realizing that her life has more propose than dying for people that don't care about her.
I think they started the series with a greater purpose being involved so they need to have that throughout the series. But it could be finding purpose within themselves
i kinda disagree with u. the fireflies are the ones trying to find a cure and that’s where abby is headed so it only makes sense for her to be in the game, but it shouldn’t be focused her
YES because Ellie was so godamn broken in the end. I think she for sure has given up on or at least mostly abandoned violence. But in the same matter it's a naughty dog game and a zombie/survival game series . . .somethings gonna come up I doubt Ellie will be the only playable character though
I agree with this. Joel is dead and let him RIP. I would have it where Dina and her kid are kidnapped and sent to LA by a cult to draw out Ellie, whom they see as a God because of her immunity. Ellie partner with Abby and tge remnants of the fireflies in Santa Barbara in exchange for the immunity vaccine that will save humanity. They travel to the hell that is LA and rescue them and destroy the cult and her last scene is where Dina and ellie reconcile moments before her death, as she is falling into her last sleep, she sees joel and reconciles before she dies.
Edit: I can see the stupid comments already. So Ellie finding meaning in her life and learning to live & fight for others is somehow stupid? Also stop saying "but what about Abby?" No one cares. I think 3 should be about just Ellie. Her moving on from all the trauma and instead of her being a spirit of Vengeance & Anger, the story could be about Ellie helping people. It could be a story similar to 'No Country For Old Men' or 'Red Dead Redemption 2', wherein the World is moving on from The Virus & Chaos, the world is coming back from a Modern Wild West to a somewhat normal World, there's no cure but Civilization has learned to deal with the Infected. Different Factions are coming into power and are working together and trading in order to bring back civilization. 3 Should be about Hope, but also Ellie figuring out that her time has gone, the time of Survival and Chaos and Civilization coming back. The themes of a bygone age coming to an end, similar to RDR2 & No Country For Old Men. The world doesn't need people like Ellie anymore, Fighters & Survivalists. But instead of fighting for Anger & Hatred, she can be fighting for a Future. So that her Son & so many other Children can live on and not worry about Infected or Starving to Death etc etc The themes of the Old Age dieing out and Ellie fighting for a New Age.
Great insight! Sad thing is that with Ellie and her somewhat gigantic redeeming qualities, she would have to die by the end of that game to make it be meaningful, just like SPOILER Arthur died in RDR2
I think it should be a prequel focusing somewhere in between the 20 year period from Sarah getting killed and the point of Joel meeting Ellie. A lot happened and we could see how he met the characters from part 1.
This could work… but I also think they’re going to include the little guy that was w Abby in some way, because they show us a little bit of gameplay w him and what he can do game wise is really fun
this wouldn't make sense. the heart of the games has always been about joel and ellie (while part 2 added another perspective being abby) and to just cut ellie out wouldn't work at all especially after part 2 with her character arc. part 3 should be showing the aftermath of part 2 with what comes next and a continuation of the story; not a restart of it..
That has nothing to go with being a part 3. Also a lot of it does not make sense from a narrative and gameplay perspective outside of being fan service.
I wasn’t a fan of the ending of Part II but after watching it over and over and over again, i understood why. I understood there’s a cause and HUGE effect especially in the world they live in. I do believe they should pick up with Ellie in a new city, dealing with new people.. and then build the story with Tommy having a cameo, Abby & Lev. The way they ended two wasn’t horrible there’s an endless amount of storylines you could go with for Part III but part 3 needs to be the finale of this series. And I hope the story has a ending that gives us closure on how much this video game emotionally has given us.
Doesn't have to be end of the series, just the end of Ellie's story and maybe Abby's too. There's lots of possibilities with the last of us universe. They can show us the 20yrs before part 1 where we play as Joel again. We know Joel and Tommy were brutal and they had a falling out so it'd be intresting to see in action. We see Joel meet Tess and Tommy join the fireflies etc. See what happend right after Sarah died. It'd propably demonise Joel even more, but he isn't supposed to be good anyway. It's guaranteed to also sell good bc Joel is in it as the main character. They can also introduce all new people in an all new setting. It'd have nothing to do with Joel and Ellie. It's a risk, but could be worth it. The last of us can exist outside of Joel and Ellie. It wouldn't be part 4 or 5, but still carry the last of us name
After playing last of us one on ps5, my love for Joel has grown even more. I would want last of us 3 to be a prequel to one. Start right when Sarah dies and see the original outbreak reactions. Meet the original fireflies and explore the relationship between Tommy and Joel. See the trauma of Joel loosing his daughter and his decent down darkness. The relationship between Tess and Joel is also made more clear.
@@bab1940 hard to do that since a game with a young joel would be about loss and joel doesn’t actually make peace with Sarah passing until 20 years later with Ellie. So there isn’t much common connection you could do between a present day Ellie trying too find the firefly( if that’s what the third game would be about) and a angry grieving joel. Which is the path and story Ellie already went down in the second game.
I think it's a really interesting idea, and I really hadn't even considered a story about Ellie and Tommy. I've always considered that relationship to be pretty irreparable after what happened in part 2, but it would definitely be interesting to see them reconnect, but I really don't think that the story needs to or should end with Ellie dying even if it's for a cure. I think a lot of part 2 is spent focused on her frustration with Joel's actions in part 1 which comes from her belief that her own life is meaningless compared to dying for some greater purpose, but she seems to accept what happened and is able to forgive Joel which I think is a really sad but beautiful conclusion to their relationship. When I see Ellie leaving the farm, I see that as her forgiving Joel, forgetting about Abby, and moving on with her own life, so a game where she would ultimately decide to die for a cure seems far less hopeful to me than a game where she finds meaning and purpose in living despite her guilt. I feel that her dying would show that she doesn't value her life, that she's still controlled by her guilt over her immunity, and that she never really understood why Joel saved her. Also I feel like Abby's story came full circle really neatly in part 2 and bringing her back in any major way outside of dlc or something would feel unnecessary to me.
I like this angle too. Perhaps she is able to find some purpose and meaning elsewhere and all the events that occurred in the past are things she has put behind her
Exactly, a story where Ellie sacrifices herself for a cure completely undermines her forgiving Joel and moving on, it’d mean that the entirety of part 2, Ellie trying to forgive Joel, and seeking revenge, was truly for nothing. You may say that it already was for nothing, due to her letting Abby go at the end, but it wasn’t, Ellie finally forgave Joel, and a her subsequently throwing her life away after that would imply she hadn’t actually forgiven Joel and leave their relationship (even in death) truly irreparably ruined, and for a series that is entirely about Ellie and Joel’s father/daughter relationship, that’d be really really fucking disappointing.
@@a9dm460 yeah i totally agree. Also I feel like people who say that Ellie letting Abby go made everything pointless kind of misunderstood why she decided to go to Santa Barbara in the first place. She's clearly doing terribly on the farm, and she decides to leave just as a last hope that killing Abby will fix her or at least that she'll die trying to kill her, she even gives Abby a chance to fight rather than just executing her. If she was filled with rage toward Abby, the ending would be weird, but nothing in the game really points toward that. Also they've been pushing the idea that Ellie should find purpose in her own life pretty hard even throughout part 1 with the note from her mom literally saying "life is worth living", Riley and Ellie choosing to wait it out rather than killing themselves, and of course Joel's "keep finding something to fight for". I think it would be a pretty huge mistake to go against all of that in part 3, but I more or less trust they know what they're doing at this point.
@@a9dm460 how does it undermine those events? She is choosing out of her own free will to undergo this surgery instead of having others choose for her. It doesn’t mean she doesn’t forgive Joel she recognizes that he is flawed but still loves him and knows why he did what he did. And after reflecting on her actions strives to make a purposeful impact. Don’t see that slapping anything in the face
This is actually a pretty good idea, but I just could not see Ellie die 😭. Just think about the game ending with Ellies heart rate monitor just slowly dying, I'd cry more than I did with Joel. I wouldn't give death threats though, I'm not like those psychos. when I heard the idea of Abby understanding why Joel did what he did, and Abby and Ellie have a small connection just sent chills down my spine. your right I feel this idea would make people enjoy and like Abby and the 2nd game more as they should.
Part 3 should have a similar intro to Part 2 with Ellie explaining to Tommy why she spared Abby in Santa Barbara, just like when Joel told Tommy about what happened at St Mary's hospital. I feel like the story should have a new character that crosses paths with Ellie and hopefully this new character happens to be also immune somehow . The Seraphites, Fireflies and Rattlers should be involved aswell. Part 2 was filled with loss and hate. Part 3 should be about hope, especially for Ellie.
@@madstellar2359 i'm pretty sure that was just one of the many bases of the rattles. We have seen that there were prisoners and pillars on the beach, so we are talking about a prison, but probably the whole comunity lives somewhere nearby, just like in Jackson.
Ellie as a full adult realizes she can communicate and control the infected with her mind. She uses this to negotiate a peace treaty between the humans and the infected like Neo in the matrix 😂
i saw a theory where ellie's shift to ruthless violence and aggression and cruelty to a point that could be out of character for her (like in santa barbara when she killed the guy who'd just told her where abby was) was the cordyceps. it's infecting her slowly. im not sure what that implies for a third game (maybe her running out of time, and knowing that the fireflies are in santa barbara, seeks help from them which includes running into abby... then she utilizes a way to control the infected?) but it's an interesting theory. the effect of her anger from joel's actions and her ptsd from his death definitely contribute to her behavior/change in personalitty, but it could be something more and thats an interesting theory.
I remember reading years ago (the article may be down now) that Neil was going to make this into 4 parts, he has announced there was a script or an outline or something for a third installment but finishing 2 made me question where he could go for the third. I feel we could possibly get another half story of Ellie and Abby again because I do feel like Neil wouldn’t let that go and empty. Whenever 3 does get announced I’m ready for it
Well sure. We all love Tommy, but really another adventure that teams up Tommy and Ellie would probably only play out like a diet coke version of Joel and Ellie's dynamic.
Tommy is a cripple now thanks to Neil Druckman. Neil doesn‘t respect any character that he didn‘t invented himself. So no it would be a bad idea having a cripple one eyed Tommy going anywhere. He could not survive like he used to.
It’s so funny seeing this. I was just going to tweet Neil Druckmann that I would love to see a continuation of Abby and Lev’s story. I want to know what happens, if they make it to the island with the new batch of fireflies or not. They could even call it by another name so people aren’t even bigger bitches about it than they were about part two when it came out. I am also playing part one and two back to back. I’ve just reached Abby’s part in Seattle Day 1. What they did was absolutely genius. Turning the theme of revenge completely on its head. Who is more entitled to it? Joe killed her father, the only one capable of making a vaccine even if there was another person immune. Was it any more or less justified for her to go after him (?) and all that. In the end, apart from the game just being too nuanced and ahead of its time for most people, that leak certainly did not help. Had the story been able to unfold naturally we still would’ve seen some ridiculous criticisms, but it would’ve unfolded much differently. I mean, even cast members received death threats for fucks sake. Death threats for pouring blood, sweat and tears for years and years to bring us the best piece of art possible. it still bums me out to this day. I do think the upcoming series on HBO looks fucking incredible. And I believe that will take things to another level. i’ve said this for a while, but I do think the day will come when this game is treated with the appreciation it deserves. There is a lot to be said about the toxicity of PC gaming culture as well. People having empty opinions about something based on watching footage on CZcams versus actually holding the controller in their hand and feeling the vibrations. It’s like saying “I drove a Ferrari” only to follow it up with “well, I saw one drive around the block”. By that logic every NASCAR fan is a driver. Anyway, yes. Since the end of this game two years ago when I last played it I have really been wanting to find out what happens with what I think should be an obvious direction as to where a part three could (and should) go.
@@DrPooplove it truly is tragic. Like so many other things it seems motivated by fear, or quite frankly “FOMO”. You often see it with PC gamers over exclusives. Things they are mad they cannot partake in. I think using the same machine (PC) used to bicker with people on social media and various comment sections actually bleeds into the games they are playing. Or should I say “watching”. Whereas if you have a console: it’s all about the games. Completely separate. Not having Twitter or Reddit joined at the hip to a game that requires full attention. The only thing I’ll concede; Druckmann shot himself in the foot 100% with the “indefinite delay” after having several delays already. Especially when a pandemic started, and we were all entering quarantine. It was a huge white light ripped away. Which is why the leak came from a disgruntled employee. Other than that, we are nothing but lucky to have these masterpieces. And I do think this new HBO series is going to cut down on some of that toxicity because it’s going to make a much larger audience. I think will see a difference after that. That’s what I hope for anyway.
Absolutely. TLOU games brought to life a new audience. My daughter & I played both during the pandemic and were completely engulfed in the story and game play. The hatred for Abby is ridiculously undeserving but made sense given the attachment to Ellie’s character. I really like the direction of this proposed third installment of the game series. I would keep everything as is accept for the death of Ellie. I really want a look into Lev’s character and some gameplay for her as well. To appease the PC players, give them a multiplayer game. A death 💀 match version. There should also be that version on the ps5/ps6 with all the infected roaming around.
There is so much potential in this story. Love your ideas, I think it’s a great natural progression for the story. Hoping that’s the semi direction the game takes.
Honestly I think it should be about Ellie and showing more of a Joel side of her where she’s distant from everyone loses all sense of hope but that it should be another character that she meets that is immune and that she discovers she can’t have the surgery anymore bc her immunity has faded with age where she starts understanding how Joel feels giving a reason to return to Jackson and seeing tommy after everything he’s prolly still pissed at Ellie Dina if there still misses Ellie but still hurt she decided to leave and moved on as she starts to venture to the firefly’s with Abby when they get there Abby having time to reflect over all the loss tells Ellie not to go through with it to accept the world as it is and enjoy living with the ppl she cares about while Ellie reflects on Joel saving her saying she won’t make the same mistake he did and let’s the other immune go through with the surgery as it ends in failure brings Ellie even more pain as she realizes it could’ve been her that it should’ve been her realizing this is the horror Joel couldn’t bear to live through comforted by Abby in the end as they both came to understand and ending the game
@@niknigal3379 yeah I thought of it from the perspective of both stories of 1 and 2 kinda mixing both elements to try and bring an conclusive story but yeah I wanna see the fall of Ellie so we can see how she endure her struggles differently from Joel or even Abby
@@KIN6xKRY9TIK love the idea of ellie’s immunity fading. it would give a sense of impending doom and urgency to the whole thing. id also have it be a situation where ellie’s infection is spreading and she becomes weaker towards the end of the game, giving in to the psychological symptoms of the infection rather than the physical
I don’t know what direction to send Ellie in the game, but it should start with Ellie holding everyone at arm’s length EXCEPT a faithful dog I propose that Tommy becomes much darker like Dutch in Red Dead… the story could be less about the ex machina of forging a vaccine against the cordiceps and more about redeeming Tommy, maybe at the cost of his relationship with Ellie
@@niknigal3379 not only is it a retread, but apparently the surgery and potential vaccine fails which now completely takes away the conversation about did Joel do the right thing by potentially screwing humanity to save one person because we would now know for sure that he made the right decision.
I actually loved 2 and didn't feel any points of the story were distracting from its message. I liked it a bit more than 1 in some ways. It would be cool for them to keep it going. I think a change of scenery would be cool, such as traveling to a more arid climate in the US like Arizona. I am just interested to see it continue.
I agree with you. I loved the 2nd game just like the first one. The author of this video made some great story elements that can be fleshed out in the sequel. I enjoyed this piece and agree with him. I wish that Naughty Dog made DLC to focus on Joel and Tommy when they on their own before the 1st game. But what the author stated in this video made more sense and would definitely close out the story arc! This is a great video and will share with my daughter who loves the game!
seeing the game in Arizona would be incredible for me since i live in phoenix! Can't imagine what it'd be like to see landmarks that i'm familiar with in my favorite game series lol
Whatever happens in LOU3, I think Ellie should be a side character that helps move the story but not necessarily drive it. Either Tommy, Abby or a new character can take the lead instead. As for the prequel focusing on the 20 year period, I think it should be its own separate game, cause there’s a lot u could fit into it.
you had me utterly convinced until ellie’s death, unfortunately i couldn’t bare losing her, she means too much to me. it makes sense if she were to die for a cure but id feel ripped off, like too much has gone into her character for three whole games just to lose her at the very end, id feel so unsatisfied and heartbroken but every other aspect of your idea for a third game is pretty genius! naughty dog should hire you lmao (as long as you don’t bring up the idea of ellie’s death to them… please)
I actually like this idea. At first I wasn't really sure Abby coming back would really be necessary, but I like how you tied her in and even gave her a moment at the end where she could have stopped it but instead allowed it. The only other idea I had was that maybe Part 3 starts off where Ellie and Tommy find out about some new group that has found a way to get the cure without killing Ellie and they go across the country to find them. But that's too much like Part 1 so I still think your idea is better.
I want to see the 20 years after Sarah passes away when Joel and tommy end up in the triage and when Marshal law gets placed and how Timmy and Joel survived in the 20 years of apocalypse
Legit all the ideas you have right here seems really well thought out and I like how you chose to center the story around hope. I never really thought of making each game themed around an emotion and I really feel that if we get a third naughty dog is gonna tug on our hearts and leave us with a very melancholy ending. I also love bringing in the tommy/Ellie dynamic to sort of resurrect Joel in the story but in a good way. (Not like Batman Arkham Knight with joker) seriously though I never comment this long but great ideas enjoyed the vid dude.
Thank you! I have had some of these thoughts going for years as initially part of this was my sketch for tlou 2 before that even came out! Glad I finally found a way to get it out there :)
I personnaly think that Ellie / Tommy duo wouldnt work out considering thé story She let Abby alive and Tommy started to be a dick against her when she was at the farm with Dina
Tlou2 also ended in a hopeful note because it showed Ellie starting to accept Joel's death and realizing that revenge didn't bring her the peace and closure she wanted, probably setting up a redemption arc for her in Part III.
When Joel first meets Ellie and is told about her immunity and the mission to get her to a doctor, he mentions "I've heard this before." Almost a been there/done that moment. I would love to see an episode devoted to Joel and his brother getting caught up with a group trying to get a character like Eugene from Walking Dead to some lab. It would be cool if it was right after the outbreak because we'd get to see some of the bigger hordes that would have emerged at a time when things were slightly less delapidated.
Such a great video, you really thought this through! What I understood at the end of TLOU1 is that Joel, having seen how cruel humanity is, thought that it was better not to sacrifice Ellie because that would mean that the world would return to normality and sooner or later it would find a way to destroy itself again. So basically people don't deserve that second chance and it would be better to just rebuild from scratch. At the end of TLOU2 I thought that everything was for nothing and that revenge is bad. I like your story for TLOU3 because like you said it wasn't all for nothing and that would be an amazing end to an amazing game.
Maybe they should have Tommy as a playable character because I remember Elie saying “Joel and Tommy did a lot to survive” but I’m not sure how it’ll fit in
Honestly I don't know how this would work, because if I understand correctly, Tommy and Joel went their separate ways after Sarah was killed. Joel got in with the wrong crowd, trapping and killing innocent people while Tommy joined the fireflies.
That was quite a few year after the prologue, Tommy and Joel joined the hunters and moved to the Boston QZ. Then Tommy gets inspired by Marlene to join the fireflies and him and Joel have their big argument
What I hate in last of us 2 is Ellie doesn’t say anything to Abby. Not a lot of words are exchanged between them even at the end. That’s why I was disappointed about the ending. Ellie stands under the person who killed her father figure and says nothing.
I really like this idea, especially the ending. I will always defend Part 2 as it shows the raw and grim aspect of the world and its characters, it sets the stage perfectly for a final part to reach the light at the end of the tunnel. Ellie ultimately sacrificing herself and with a flashback of one tender and daunting moment between her and Joel and cutting it there without knowing if the procedure works delivers a powerful message about connection, that even though the world is falling apart, being there for each other and caring is one of life’s greatest gift. By then, this would bring the whole story into a full circle.
The first two games are about love and the things it makes people do, good or bad. They explore revenge, grief, and the grey areas of morality. If anything, I think the aspect of love that could be really important to discuss could easily be covered through Ellie, which would be understanding that often times non-action, distance, and making an effort to understand and appreciate others' decisions can be an equally strong and sometimes more difficult way to love someone. I could see Ellie being forced to come to grips with "if you love us, then leave us alone" and then having to struggle with the guilt/ difficulties that come with Jackson struggling, raids on the city, even more apocalyptic issues like the Cordyceps spreading to other mammals like horses, dogs, livestock, etc... Maybe she dedicates her life to finding a cure, travels the continent, studies medical books, basically goes on a 30 year pilgrimage of self-flagellation to figure out how her condition could possibly have meaning, only to find that by the time she gets back to Jackson with a solution, the world has begun to reset itself, and things were made right by her absence.
Interesting concept. I like this idea. I don’t think Ellie and Abby could EVER be friends because of their past but they could definitely have a understanding that of each other.
The part where you brought up the idea of Abby coming to understand Joel's reason to sabotage the surgery to stop Ellie from dying, holy cow....that gave me chills to think about and what a twist that would be! ...that for sure would make people to just HATE Abby even more so. (I personally liked her character.) But damn, what a story that would be....shoot maybe Ellie and Tommy don't part ways, but Tommy actually joins Ellie and meets with Abby, ...and idk take it from there. Maybe ......Tommy is also immune!? ...and we can either sacrifice Ellie or Tommy!
Ellie and Abby becoming friends is the dumbest shit I've heard. But knowing naughty dog they'll probably share a kiss together and reveal Abby is bisexual. *Sigh*
The ending was satisfying, the whole meaning of the game was Ellie on a psychotic revenge mission and she killed everyone involved besides Abby so Abby could suffer like how Ellie is. It’s called finding inner peace because once she actually killed abby she was just a monster as she was
Kinda worse tbh she killed dozens of people who weren't involved killed a person just as her age (ps vita willow) killed her for defending herself and then killed a pregnant woman and also was about to kill lev just to force abby to fight with her
@@Jbugchirpster Mel was being a bitch to Owen making him commit only to her which (I do get she's pregnant) but he has the right to help abby But I dint think she deserved to get stabbed in the throat just trying to protect her child
@@DrHydra47 all they had to do was listen Ellie wasn’t going to kill them I don’t think. The only ones that deserve to die was Jordan, Nora, Mike, Nick, and you probably won’t like this, but Joel
I don’t think abby and ellie will ever meet again or that abby will be in the next game whatsoever. It would be a repeat of themes already extensively shown in part ii (i mean, capturing ppl in jackson? has abby learned nothing?)
i agree but i feel like her planning to meet up w the fire flies and her sailing off somewhere at the end alluded to her finally going was mayb foreshadowing for the plot of the next game bc everyone was talking abt how all of them were dead yk? so they might do something with that bc it jus seemed significant, being the vaccine sht and her having encounters with someone immune. rlly would just rather see ellie in a new-ish setting with newer people and going from there dealing with everything from her past n such bc i dont think she wouldve went back to jackson after all of that.
Definitely want a third game to bring the themes of the first two full circle. Part I was love, Part II: hate, and Part III would be centered around hope, namely the hope for redemption (for both Abby and Ellie, and for mankind.) Game would open with an Ellie 5 years older, living a life of solitude in the Rocky Mountains. She never returned to Jackson, despite the longing to do so arising every day, she remains tortured by the events of the second game, even though she allowed Abby to live; PTSD entangled with guilt has driven her into isolation. One day, while out hunting she is attacked by a mysterious, well armed paramilitary unit led by a masked man who is also immune, and who wants her captured, dead or alive. Ellie manages to evade the squad of elite soldiers, but is seriously injured in the process. Her brush with mortality pushes her to return north to Jackson in hopes that some semblance of familiarity remains there, all the while wrestling with the will to continue living. She is awoken in the middle of the night on her journey back to Wyoming by Lev, who has also been tracking her. Lev informs her that the remaining Fireflies have learned of a research facility in close proximity to ground zero of the outbreak, South America, that has been facilitating the development of a vaccine. The researchers there are at the cusp of understanding the infection, but are in need of the missing link; someone with immunity. Lev beckons Ellie to seek a purpose beyond herself, as the message of the Fireflies would encourage to do, “look to the light,” but he leaves out the fact that it is Abby (reignited by a sense of purpose to redeem herself by carrying on her father’s cause) who intends to lead this journey. Ellie initially denies Lev’s request to make the journey to the facility with him, but is prompted to reconsider when she discovers that the Wyoming settlement has been decimated, most likely by the paramilitary group, and all that remains are infected, including, most likely, Dina and her son, JJ. The game would follow Ellie, a reluctant but inspired Abby desiring her own kind of redemption by furthering her father’s cause, Lev, Tommy (one of the few survivors of the attack, burdened with his own sense of guilt), and a small group of Fireflies as they attempt to navigate a ravaged Central America, initially off shore by boat, but eventually overland when their vessel is destroyed by the paramilitary group hunting Ellie, who it is later revealed, has JJ. The militaristic group would be revealed to be a splinter faction of the US military, FEDRA, initially tasked with waging war on the Fireflies and their cause. The Fireflies, it is revealed, are guilty of conducting vaccine trials inhumanely on live subjects comprised of PoWs, most of whom are FEDRA soldiers. However, there is an ulterior motive at play in the mind of this faction’s leader, who desires to keep the development of any kind of vaccine from ever becoming a reality. Ultimately, Abby would sacrifice herself to save Ellie during a final massive battle between the militaristic group and the well defended research facility, and Ellie would go through with the terminal procedure, this time of her own volition, thereby finding the light in the midst of darkness engulfing the world, even the Fireflies. Whether or not the vaccine proves effective would ultimately be up for debate; the game would end at the moment Ellie breathes her last and her heart rate monitor flatlines as she lies on the operating table; her journey for personal redemption has come to an end.
This is a fully-fleshed out idea! Really like it. Though I think that Ellie shouldn’t die for the vaccine thing, I think if they want with that route, your idea would serve as a great script/concept.
@@wyattgable13 thanks; I’ve been thinking about a Part III every day since playing the remake. I’ve got a lot of ideas in mind for how it would play out, but I think it may to ambitious for a single game. Would probably have to be a Part IV as well if it were to be at all feasible. Still, I know Naughty Dog is more than capable of writing something thematically fitting for the finale, I just really hope it takes us outside of the United States. :)
You know, that idea was pretty good up until the antagonist was an immune masked figure. Man, talk about a Pixar fairy tale for the whole family to enjoy.
This is exactly the direction I hope it will go in, except I want the new doctor to be like wait, maybe there’s a way to do this without killing Ellie. Maybe they discover this way while Ellie’s on her way to the fireflies, so Ellie and Abby don’t know this going in and Ellie wakes up surprised she’s still alive. I know that’s a more happy ending, but after the depressing vibes of part 2, I could use a happy ending. Also my girl Ellie absolutely cannot die 😂
Ellie should definitely live thinking she gave her life for the cure. But there should be a period of mourning with her because now she has nothing to live for. Then grow feeble and old and die. She needs to bounce grandchildren on her lap who don't understand the infection and can only play video games about it. Abbey and Ellie should become fast friends because they beat each other to a pulp. Abby dies heroically protecting Ellie. Redemption accomplished. But some new mutation should arise starting the whole process all over again.
I think that while Tommy is acting as kind of a replacement for Joel, Ellie should sometimes look at Tommy, and be able to see Flashes of Joel in those sweet somber cut scene moments, I would love to see that, and I think it would be a super cool aspect to the game. Or instead, I also think it would be cool if Ellie could be around 25 to 35 years old, and have Dina's kid be Ellie's new partner, and kind of make a nostalgic effect like how Joel and Ellie were in the first game, and the kid and Ellie are kind of distant because Dina left with the kid. Dina dies or SOMETHING and Ellie has to go with the kid, and their mostly awkward around each other, but Ellie doesn't trust the kid like how it was in the first game. The objective in this game however, I think maybe Jackson is running out of Materials, too many people/overcrowdings or there's a bad sickness (NOT THE ZOMBIE SICKNESS), and Ellie is immune, because of her already immunity to the other sickness (idk how it's going to work, maybe Dina saves Ellie or something by giving her the last of the medicine, and that's how Dina dies?) but resources are kind of dying out, so they hear something on a radio, or find new info about a jackpot of medicine or something that will help out Jackson tons. Somewhere in the story, Abby, or someone and Ellie meet up, with their little buddies. And like in TLOU1 Ellie gets Levi, and Abby gets Whoever Ellie's with, and it cuts off here with A flashback, or nostalgic moment in Ellie's mind.
I like the ideas presented here, there's gonna have to be lot of work done to explain how Ellie and Abby could ever look past the fact that they've both killed people that the other cared about deeply. but other than that I like the idea of having Abby on Joel's end of the surgery situation. Also love the idea of Tommy's role being reversed. There are a lot of amazing ideas at play in this. Good work.
story about how fireflies started would be amazing too right before marlene was killed by joel, she said she was absolutely sure shes been through a lot worse than joel
I honetsly loved seeing a such a drastically pov that abby provided in part 2 and it really solidified the “give and take” aspect of the world of the last of us. as much as joel wanted to take from the world, there was only so much bloodshed he could create until the world came after him. it also really showed me that when you lose someone so close, such as joel and the player base, you are more likely to start outcry and uproar, hence the negative reaction to joel’s death. i see people costantly flaming naughty dog for the way that joel died, and in all honesty, joel had every bit of it coming, and it sort of does fit the narrative of the story. people may call the way he passed as narratively lazy or unecessary, i realized that most stories have outlandish situations that top even the last of us. i really hope that people eventually come to terms with joel’s death because at the end of the day, he’s still gone, and there’s more pleasure in embracing and enjoying such a thriller rather than denying the fact that it still develops whether or not you want it to.
Joel did have it coming. I think it should have happened although I did wish Naughty Dog did more to show Joel as having “lost his edge” to the point where he was willing to trust and tell strangers his name, etc.
@@DrPooplove willing to trust strangers? Kinda like how he trusted Sam and Henry immediately after being attacked by them, and then literally follows them to their hideout, to only be left for dead by them hours later. To only trust them all over again right after. But trusting a girl who’s life you just save and proceed to fight along side and who helps you escape from death is to much for people like yourself.
@@DrPooplove and Joel trusted Abby and her group unwillingly with Tommy prompting. He barely said more than two words to her or her group. Regardless how you feel about trust, he went to Abby’s hideout out of desperation, and with Abby already knowing his name lying was not an option. He was dead the minute they enter that house. I don’t think you need to jump through multiple hoops to explain it. It’s all there presented to you, just not in your face. That’s just my take though.
@@SethG3600 well like I said I just wish they did more to make it more obvious because the coincidence of her running into the one person she was looking for right away was already hard. I think it’s plausible for sure that he would slip up. But my thing was give us a little more to tell us he lost his edge. They don’t have to spoon feed but you know 1 extra scene or passing comment ahead of time. Thats all i need
Bro ngl I was kinda tearing up just hearing about your ending. The community wouldn’t like Abby and Ellie getting along but still that ending would hit me like a truck
I feel like I just played the game you are describing and I honestly loved it it makes sense, this is the first time I see one of your videos but it’s great ! Good work
I like it. But, I am one of the few who loved the story of part two. So much in fact thats it’s probably my favorite story of all time. The way it ended doesnt really need to have anything else happen after that. It’s hard to say if it would be a mistake to do that but, if they are gonna do it.. well I like your idea.
I had an idea about what part 3 could be. It can have 3 different timelines, the time of Joel from when his own daughter got killed in the 1st game, have a focus on that first 20 years on what he was up to. The 2nd can be about Joel and Ellie growing up in those few years together after the 1st game .. and the 3rd can be just about Ellie after events in the 2nd game... something that ties everything together to a final conclusion, maybe giving herself up to the fireflies for that surgery to engineer that vaccine..or something along those lines.
I think TLOU 3 should be Ellie again in a journey while being all the time with Joel as a ghost. Joel could be the depression and emotions of ellie and at the end when joel disappears of her head is when she found the peace. Part 3 should be about finding yourself and purpose for sure. Batman Arkham Knight made something similar with joker.
@@simelstre that wasn't an hallucination with clemmy, hallucinating means seeing someone there in the real world who isn't really there. Clementine was only dreaming of Lee. Still emotional though I hope to see something similiar with Ellie hallucinating Joel.
And realizes that her name is not Ellie, but Sarah. She has her breakfast and goes to her school thinking that watching too many zombie movies was a bad idea.
I can't express just how much I love both the last of us part 1 and dare I say more so part 2, LOVED IT. Saying that, the idea you have I think could be brilliantly done and an excellent way to wrap it all up.
Having it show the consequences of Joel's actions and see it all from someone else's perspective (not everything is so black and white) and have you actually play as that other person who is a victim of them actions, who sees it all very differently and rightfully so I thought was groundbreaking and really played with emotions and empathy in a very powerful way.
In your idea for part 3 having Abby put in a similar situation to the end of part 1 where she doesn't want Ellie to now die, and if even for a brief moment understands why Joel did what he did and feels that need to stop Ellie from sacrificing herself I think would be very fitting and satisfying too.
Im with you man. Part two is a great, emotionally power story. Sadly most gamers dont fully understand I think.. or maybe they do and simply dont like it anyway. Often I see it represented wrong the with comments like ‘revenge is bad’ or the the cycle of revenge’ when thats not really what this game is about imo. Anyway, I also like his idea but also feel its a risk to expand on this story anymore. Seems most dont like it so if gamers see these two become friends they’ll just complain about that too..
I feel like it should be about what happened after Sarah died in the beginning. I think it would be interesting saying that Joel and Tommy were together and it would show how they met Tess. Also I think it would be cool to see Joel’s reaction to seeing his first clicker and bloater.
I swear I thought of that exact ending. Ellie’s redemption arc. Simply the last of us is Joel and Ellie. I really want it to be the focus, of the next game. Not to be blocked by another developing story.
On the 3rd one i want these to happen hehehe There's another immune person with some kind of illness and he/she is the new villain .. Tommy will die , but before he dies he will remember all of his survival days with Joel after Sarah's death and you can play him as playable character as flashback something like that .. Abby and Ellie team up to defeat this new immune villain ..after all the killings from part 2 Abby and Ellie became friends ... in the end this villain will sacrifice himself to make a vaccine after he realized something about cycle of hatred or cycle of revenge and also because he/she will die anyway xD because of his illness .. Sorry bad English :)
Honestly their story should have just ended with the first game. That ending was perfect, no need to do anything beyond that. The second game should have been about Joel's past with his brother.
I agree. Actually my idea for part 2 was similar to what I have here with seeing the past and having Ellie escaping Jackson looking for remaining fireflies but I didn’t know how to make videos at the time lol. But since we do have the part 2 that we do, I think there needs to be a conclusion and a part 3 to wrap it back up
Tlou part 3 Joel resurrection, fireflies find Joel's corpse with slight vitals. Rebuild him with spare parts. He's faster and stronger than ever but hes got no free will. That is until a microchip shorts granting him resbit from their control. Joel goes on a rampage killing everything controlled by the player, gameplay progression unlocks Lazer eyes and chainsaw arm attatchments. Tlou part 3 Joel's judgement roll credits
I really liked part 2, I feel like people expected the 2nd game to basically be a father/daughter type game. With that people were too focused on that to enjoy what the second game offered, and I feel like the events were a good full circle meet, although the way they drug it out is what worsened the plot. It went from good-bad-good with the middle bits being a lot of filler. You're right though thus game does have a lot left to tell, but I don't think theres much more to tell about Joel, unless we are going through what Ellie has learned from him. I want a story around Ellies beliefs and what SHE would do, not what Joel would want her to do. I'm rambling but I wan't more Ellie content, there's just not much else that can be said about Joel.
Yeah I am just very intrigued by Joel’s transformation and also this philosophy debate about survival at all costs versus reviving community and civilization. Tommy and Joel represent both sides of that coin and so I would like to see that explored somewhere but it could be separate.
I like this idea, but I actually would like to see part three be more about Abby and Lev, and their new journey. And introduce new characters. And obviously I would like to see Ellie in the game as well or if not that maybe just a game about Joel and his brother and about how he met Tess and all the adventures and all the horrible things that Joel had to do in those 20 years that we didn’t actually get to see.
Your take on a potential TLoU part 3 is insane. Insanely GOOD. Naughty Dog should just hire you to filter out some crazy ideas they may have. You have such a clean and nuanced look on things, just imagining part 3 the way you described it brings me so much happiness. Literally praying this comes true, can't get it out of my head now!
I’m thinking in the end Abby will develop the same skills as her father (but better) and she will be the one who can develop a vaccine without killing Ellie. On the other hand, we all had major ideas on part II and nobody was right about it. So let’s have Naughty Dog surprise us with a new masterpiece with an unexpected story!
Considering the ending, I really imagine Ellie to be more like a anti-hero figure in a Western style. I just imagine the first scene of she entering a town with a huge clicker problem and resolving it to then leave the town with no notice. Maybe the story could connect with her dealing with the fireflies somehow and with Abby. On the other hand, I REALLY would like to see Dina in a more involved active role. So..what about controlling her as the sucessor of Maria? She has a family and she has deep feeling of community and bonds. So what about she tries to streghten the community so nobody can be excluded...in other words, to let anyone become or feel what Ellie felt in her life? Remember the teenagers that died running from Jackson...there was some pressure going on. So, if the third part its about hope, this should be about the society, not science. It would give a really could significance of what Last of Us its about: humanity.
There is a 20 year gap after Joels daughter died that we never got to know anything about. Also id love to see how the virus started out by seeing everything, like Tommy calling sarah and Joel outside the house and so on.
I personally would love to see a third game focused on Abby and Lev. I loved Abby, she was my favorite part of the game and she had the better gameplay sequences of the 2 in the game.
i think that the point of the second game was at the end they had mutual respect for each other as ellie let abby and lev go so i think the idea of abby coming back to capture her is unlikely
ok, how about everything you proposed *but* with one exception: When Ellie goes to the Fireflies, fully willing to sacrifice her life for a possible cure, it turns out all this doctor needs is blood and spinal fluid. A non-lethal procedure is all that is required of her. That way, Joel was - kind of - right in the end for the decision he made. It was wrong in the moment and doesn't change the selfish nature of his decision, but through luck, it led to a situation where there can be a cure and Ellie gets to live. The ending would leave it up to the player if a cure is actually even possible, but there is *hope*.
It’s actually less of ”What situation is appropriate to put Ellie in?”, it’s more a question of ”What story can they tell with these characters that’s at its core rooted in some deep, universal and powerful emotion?”
What drove Neil to write Part II the way he did was that he wanted to not just follow the standard ”How do we recapture the beats everyone loved from the first game?”, something he called a recipe for disaster, but he wanted something that could be as fundamentally, emotionally poignant. So the first game had this core theme of the love between a parent and child and for Part II he chose this theme of intense hatred all tied up in that same old feeling of love and the idea is to put the player on an emotional arc. So Part I sees your relationship with Ellie grow in tandem with Joel’s and by the end you care for her like a parent. In Part II they make you hate Abby as much as possible and then try to bring you back from that and come to this emotional realization that it’s not gonna fix you to kill her, so your journey of anger and grief exists in a tandem relationship with Ellie and Abby.
I think that because Neil if anything will use this more artistic approach rather than any sort of narrative prediction you could have, and because Part II’s ending is so wide open, with Ellie letting go of Joel, having lost everything and heading off to parts unknown that the game could be about almost anything, so long as it continues and concludes Ellie’s arc in some deeply profound way that the player themselves can follow along.
Very thoughtful! Love this analysis! Yeah I certainly look forward to what Neil has in store for this game!
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Exactly. I always say that people hate it because it was “real” in a way like it’s not always a happy ending
@@bink5242 Yeah, it's not about what the audience wants to be told, it's what they need to be told. And because the audience aren't all expert storytellers and writers, what they want concretely isn't gonna line up with what will bring them the deep emotional connection they crave with the material, which is the underlying thing that they need.
So, I decided not to play TLOU2 because I wasn't ready to be forced to sympathize with Joels killer, I think you just nailed a good reason for me to play it, killing her in a classic revenge story, which is what I thought TLOU2 would be from the first trailer, will not bring Joel back and won't make Ellie a better person.
I think now I'm ready to play it
TLOU 3 could also continue Ellie's story. Ellie becomes a lone drifter much like Joel at the end of LOU2 so maybe Dina's child will change that. Maybe Dina passes away for some reason and Ellie has to teach Dina's child about how to stay safe in this dangerous world
As much as I like this idea, we already have this. The walking dead game dide this. And I also just think that this game deserves a better ending than something we've already seen. I like the idea in the video, as bittersweet as it is, tho I would also love to see ellie and her family come back together or as you said, maybe a lone drifter for a while, and she has a moment somewhere along the line that having people to love and protect and work for a better future is something she finds hope in. Or ultimately, because of of her immunity. Like the video, she gives herself for the cure.
That’s been done so many times. But yeah, I think they could go that route if there was something new they could offer. Why would she be protecting the baby though? Is he immune like she was? Then she would know what would happen to him at the end if she handed him over. Even if she pulled a fast one at the end and sacrificed herself at the end, which would wrap the story up nicely, that would be an obvious ending. Why is that story worth telling? I’m a writer. So I do this for a living everyday. And you need certain things to be able to tell a story. Not just a cool concept.
dinas kid has a whole settlement to do that
Maybe it will be her and Tommy on 3 who knows 🤷🏿
boooo
I imagine the doctor at the new place at the end is just like "wait kill you? No were just gonna take a sample you'll be fine after a couple weeks to heal from the procedure." And then Abby realized her dad was just one of those "angel of death" doctors.
OH MY GOD
Oh, that would be waaaay better and somehow darker.
U read my mind. My guy didnt even try anything else on Elli and went straight to “lets remove her brain”
That would be perfect. Also... the cure should fail to make it clear that Ellie's death in part one would be for nothing. At the same time they should realize that some change in the environment or a simple lack of new hosts make cordyceps slowly die out. The emphasis should be on nature always trying to find balance and there being no "cure" for a collapsed society other than actual hard work at trying to be human again.
Yes, this is the winner right there.
I feel like a better story path would involve finding a cure Ellie can be a part of without killing herself, thus not making Joel's original rescue having been for nothing, while also showing he was ultimately right in saving her.
Neil Druckman hates Joel, so that wont happen.
@@blackwolf4653 that's an objectively false claim but ok
@@sebastiangavidia7023 im sure i read more articles and interviews from other cowriters that were present in the first game than you. But okay.
Joel will never “ultimately “ be right.
Anyone who thinks Joel wasn’t absolutely selfish and crazy for saving Ellie is just delusional about this topic.
He robbed the planet of the chance for a vaccine because he loved her. But by doing so they just expanded the amount of dead bodies not only caused by infected but by Ellie and himself.
Like it’s just idiotic to argue against it: if Ellie’s life was worth dooming millions, how come the life of the ones she brutally murders are not just as worthy.
TLOU is beautiful but part of that is knowing the main characters are not good people and they are being as “human” / animalistic / savage as it can be: surviving and wanting to life their own lives.
Their morals, however, are ultimately flawed and wrong
@@danielz-v4083 I mean, he would be if they took the story path I brought up. Have it turn out the brain removal procedure would’ve been useless or something. You’re acting as if these are real events where every little thing that happened is set in stone, but at the end of the day it’s a fictional story, and it all depends on the direction the writers decide to take it.
i really love the idea that the third game dives deep into the early outbreak days. Just like Joel lost Sarah, Ellie loses Joel and now has to “find something to fight for”
Find something to fight for would be a pretty cool theme and we see what he found to fight for over the years!
@@DrPooplove its tess
i think ellie is losing herself in pt 3. shes fighting for and with herself, and i think shes gonna become a morbid alcoholic or something just to numb her ptsd from joel.
i also want to mention that once youve played the game 5 times, you understand abby; and you realize how dull ellies part of the game is compared to hers. abbys a bitch but shes smarter than ellie, and ellie is also a bitch but more likable than abby- strictly because of joel. i dont think ellie will have much screen time, i think tommy or lev will though. tommy is my favorite character, and part 2 really dropped some juicy fucking lore on him too, too much so to just drop him entirely. abbys story is flat out unfinished, and ellies story just seems like its going downhill.
part of me agrees with you, but i feel like theres nothing new to know from the past other than for tommy.
Endure and Survive
And that will be Dina and JJ
Interesting, but I've got an even better plot twist up my sleeve, now imagine if LEV turns out to be immune, and so Abby would now REALLY know what Joel went through and would be conflicted about it.
That's actually a really interesting idea! It'd be cool to put the pretty well hated character in a compromising position like that, and I imagine it'd be different enough that it's not a complete copy and paste of Joel and Ellie (since that was already a complaint, that the relationship between abby and lev was trying too hard to be like joel and ellie's)
But this time the doctor is strapped and puts a buckshot through abby's face :)
I kind of like this idea but it would be a repeat of part I which would be very cliche
That would be really cool, and could be such a good internal struggle
The problem if they focus on lev, no one is going to buy this game. I’m saying this as a fan of both the parts.
I saw someone else’s part 3 pitch video that ended with Joel’s watch being placed on Ellie’s grave and it slowly began to start ticking, representing how hope has returned to the world and honestly since that I’ve been craving a part 3
Oooh very strong I like that
it sounds cool but considering its broken for 20 yrs it wouldnt randomly work again
@@lotusluv I don’t remember for sure, but I think they suggested that someone fixes with the watch before placing it on her grave
@@lotusluv I don't think it's fully broken, the glass is just cracked. It also shows the exact time Sarah died so Joel maybe didn't wanna fix it, idk.
Part 1 was about opening yourself up to love and protecting it at what ever cost
Part 2 was about vengeance and the lengths one will go to for justice when love is taken from you
Part 3 should be about letting love go and move on
It's exactly what the end of part 2 is about.
Vivir en soledad, estar sólo todo el juego
@@x-wing8785 i think if ellie did have the opportunity to sacrifice herself she would do it, everyone seems to have left her and she said in the first game to sam i'm scared of ending up alone, then it could cut to a scene where ellie and joel meet each other again.
I will do that by not playing it
@@fordcapri6288 well your decision
I think it would be cool to play as Joel only a few/handful of years after the outbreak, or when him and Tess first met and the fucked up things they did. Obviously the infected wouldn't be as far evolved, but would be cool to play earlier in his life.
I had the same thing that it would be when Joel was still alive we play earlier what happened before the events in the last of us 1
I think 3 should be more of a flashback like before the outbreak. And maybe getting to play as Joel when it was him and Sarah and a normal life. I’ve always wanted to know how the family was before the outbreak and then maybe show us who Ellie’s parents really were. Etc..
@@real-yeet8687 that could also make a really cool DLC. I’ve always wondered what happened between Sarah’s mom and Joel, too
I really want to see the early days
There is no story in that though. Not as compelling as the first two parts. Yeah, it would be cool to see. But that’s not enough to justify a 30 hour game. You have to understand the bar is set so high with these games. So the story has to be on the level of the first two. I could see where Neil could do a Part 2 at the end of Part 1. Even though it didn’t need it. I can’t see where he could do a part 3 at the end of two. And I’ve played the games a dozen times each. It’s just nothing there that would satisfy people. Joel is gone. As much as it’s sucks to say, there is not story left for Joel. Especially playing as him. You could do the parallel stuff with Joel in the past and Ellie in the present but you really need to justify that with the story. Other than that, there is no way to bring Joel back in as a playable character besides DLC.
I don't think the story has to be about the vaccine again. I would hate Ellie dying after all of what Joel did to show her that her life was worth living. I also don't think Abby should be related to the game, and having flashbacks would be weird. I think it has to be an Ellie only game with her helping other kind of people and realizing that her life has more propose than dying for people that don't care about her.
I think they started the series with a greater purpose being involved so they need to have that throughout the series. But it could be finding purpose within themselves
Disagree
These are literally my exact thoughts on part 3
damn right, having part 3 have Ellie sacrifice herself for a vaccine completely undermines both part 1 & 2, Ellie “trying to forgive” Joel
i kinda disagree with u. the fireflies are the ones trying to find a cure and that’s where abby is headed so it only makes sense for her to be in the game, but it shouldn’t be focused her
i would like for part 3 to have ellie live through a redemption arc, mostly about helping other people instead of another mass murder ride
YES because Ellie was so godamn broken in the end. I think she for sure has given up on or at least mostly abandoned violence. But in the same matter it's a naughty dog game and a zombie/survival game series . . .somethings gonna come up I doubt Ellie will be the only playable character though
@@canonicallyincorrect there not actually zombies look up the definition
I agree with this. Joel is dead and let him RIP. I would have it where Dina and her kid are kidnapped and sent to LA by a cult to draw out Ellie, whom they see as a God because of her immunity. Ellie partner with Abby and tge remnants of the fireflies in Santa Barbara in exchange for the immunity vaccine that will save humanity. They travel to the hell that is LA and rescue them and destroy the cult and her last scene is where Dina and ellie reconcile moments before her death, as she is falling into her last sleep, she sees joel and reconciles before she dies.
If part 3 ends with Joel coddling Ellie and saying, “oh babygirl…”
Like he did when she killed David, I’d cry
That will never happen
@@tim.noonan maybe in heaven where he finally reunites with her
Edit: I can see the stupid comments already. So Ellie finding meaning in her life and learning to live & fight for others is somehow stupid?
Also stop saying "but what about Abby?" No one cares.
I think 3 should be about just Ellie.
Her moving on from all the trauma and instead of her being a spirit of Vengeance & Anger, the story could be about Ellie helping people.
It could be a story similar to 'No Country For Old Men' or 'Red Dead Redemption 2', wherein the World is moving on from The Virus & Chaos, the world is coming back from a Modern Wild West to a somewhat normal World, there's no cure but Civilization has learned to deal with the Infected.
Different Factions are coming into power and are working together and trading in order to bring back civilization.
3 Should be about Hope, but also Ellie figuring out that her time has gone, the time of Survival and Chaos and Civilization coming back.
The themes of a bygone age coming to an end, similar to RDR2 & No Country For Old Men.
The world doesn't need people like Ellie anymore, Fighters & Survivalists.
But instead of fighting for Anger & Hatred, she can be fighting for a Future.
So that her Son & so many other Children can live on and not worry about Infected or Starving to Death etc etc
The themes of the Old Age dieing out and Ellie fighting for a New Age.
Great insight! Sad thing is that with Ellie and her somewhat gigantic redeeming qualities, she would have to die by the end of that game to make it be meaningful, just like SPOILER
Arthur died in RDR2
I agree but part 1 also had a theme of hope with trying to synthesize a cure
@@obs1888
Yea then Joel kills everyone.
cringe idea, pure braindead
It'll be inconsistent and unsatisfying to completely ignore Abby in Part III. You have to include her in some respect.
I think it should be a prequel focusing somewhere in between the 20 year period from Sarah getting killed and the point of Joel meeting Ellie. A lot happened and we could see how he met the characters from part 1.
This could work… but I also think they’re going to include the little guy that was w Abby in some way, because they show us a little bit of gameplay w him and what he can do game wise is really fun
this wouldn't make sense. the heart of the games has always been about joel and ellie (while part 2 added another perspective being abby) and to just cut ellie out wouldn't work at all especially after part 2 with her character arc. part 3 should be showing the aftermath of part 2 with what comes next and a continuation of the story; not a restart of it..
This would be cool as a DLC to The Last of Us Part 1
That has nothing to go with being a part 3. Also a lot of it does not make sense from a narrative and gameplay perspective outside of being fan service.
That should just be a dlc for part 2 or something. Part 3 needs to move the story forward and not just provide fan service
I wasn’t a fan of the ending of Part II but after watching it over and over and over again, i understood why. I understood there’s a cause and HUGE effect especially in the world they live in. I do believe they should pick up with Ellie in a new city, dealing with new people.. and then build the story with Tommy having a cameo, Abby & Lev. The way they ended two wasn’t horrible there’s an endless amount of storylines you could go with for Part III but part 3 needs to be the finale of this series. And I hope the story has a ending that gives us closure on how much this video game emotionally has given us.
Doesn't have to be end of the series, just the end of Ellie's story and maybe Abby's too. There's lots of possibilities with the last of us universe. They can show us the 20yrs before part 1 where we play as Joel again. We know Joel and Tommy were brutal and they had a falling out so it'd be intresting to see in action. We see Joel meet Tess and Tommy join the fireflies etc. See what happend right after Sarah died. It'd propably demonise Joel even more, but he isn't supposed to be good anyway. It's guaranteed to also sell good bc Joel is in it as the main character.
They can also introduce all new people in an all new setting. It'd have nothing to do with Joel and Ellie. It's a risk, but could be worth it. The last of us can exist outside of Joel and Ellie. It wouldn't be part 4 or 5, but still carry the last of us name
After playing last of us one on ps5, my love for Joel has grown even more. I would want last of us 3 to be a prequel to one. Start right when Sarah dies and see the original outbreak reactions. Meet the original fireflies and explore the relationship between Tommy and Joel. See the trauma of Joel loosing his daughter and his decent down darkness. The relationship between Tess and Joel is also made more clear.
That should be a spin off game but not last of us part 3
@@shadowlilman what if they do a precuel and sequel? that connect on the same message
Ellie's and Abby's story isn't done yet
@@bab1940 hard to do that since a game with a young joel would be about loss and joel doesn’t actually make peace with Sarah passing until 20 years later with Ellie. So there isn’t much common connection you could do between a present day Ellie trying too find the firefly( if that’s what the third game would be about) and a angry grieving joel. Which is the path and story Ellie already went down in the second game.
I think it's a really interesting idea, and I really hadn't even considered a story about Ellie and Tommy. I've always considered that relationship to be pretty irreparable after what happened in part 2, but it would definitely be interesting to see them reconnect, but I really don't think that the story needs to or should end with Ellie dying even if it's for a cure. I think a lot of part 2 is spent focused on her frustration with Joel's actions in part 1 which comes from her belief that her own life is meaningless compared to dying for some greater purpose, but she seems to accept what happened and is able to forgive Joel which I think is a really sad but beautiful conclusion to their relationship. When I see Ellie leaving the farm, I see that as her forgiving Joel, forgetting about Abby, and moving on with her own life, so a game where she would ultimately decide to die for a cure seems far less hopeful to me than a game where she finds meaning and purpose in living despite her guilt. I feel that her dying would show that she doesn't value her life, that she's still controlled by her guilt over her immunity, and that she never really understood why Joel saved her.
Also I feel like Abby's story came full circle really neatly in part 2 and bringing her back in any major way outside of dlc or something would feel unnecessary to me.
I like this angle too. Perhaps she is able to find some purpose and meaning elsewhere and all the events that occurred in the past are things she has put behind her
Exactly, a story where Ellie sacrifices herself for a cure completely undermines her forgiving Joel and moving on, it’d mean that the entirety of part 2, Ellie trying to forgive Joel, and seeking revenge, was truly for nothing.
You may say that it already was for nothing, due to her letting Abby go at the end, but it wasn’t, Ellie finally forgave Joel, and a her subsequently throwing her life away after that would imply she hadn’t actually forgiven Joel and leave their relationship (even in death) truly irreparably ruined, and for a series that is entirely about Ellie and Joel’s father/daughter relationship, that’d be really really fucking disappointing.
@@a9dm460 yeah i totally agree. Also I feel like people who say that Ellie letting Abby go made everything pointless kind of misunderstood why she decided to go to Santa Barbara in the first place. She's clearly doing terribly on the farm, and she decides to leave just as a last hope that killing Abby will fix her or at least that she'll die trying to kill her, she even gives Abby a chance to fight rather than just executing her. If she was filled with rage toward Abby, the ending would be weird, but nothing in the game really points toward that.
Also they've been pushing the idea that Ellie should find purpose in her own life pretty hard even throughout part 1 with the note from her mom literally saying "life is worth living", Riley and Ellie choosing to wait it out rather than killing themselves, and of course Joel's "keep finding something to fight for". I think it would be a pretty huge mistake to go against all of that in part 3, but I more or less trust they know what they're doing at this point.
@@a9dm460 how does it undermine those events? She is choosing out of her own free will to undergo this surgery instead of having others choose for her. It doesn’t mean she doesn’t forgive Joel she recognizes that he is flawed but still loves him and knows why he did what he did. And after reflecting on her actions strives to make a purposeful impact. Don’t see that slapping anything in the face
100% agree!! I hope Part 3 is exactly this, if they make it
This is actually a pretty good idea, but I just could not see Ellie die 😭. Just think about the game ending with Ellies heart rate monitor just slowly dying, I'd cry more than I did with Joel. I wouldn't give death threats though, I'm not like those psychos. when I heard the idea of Abby understanding why Joel did what he did, and Abby and Ellie have a small connection just sent chills down my spine. your right I feel this idea would make people enjoy and like Abby and the 2nd game more as they should.
Part 3 should have a similar intro to Part 2 with Ellie explaining to Tommy why she spared Abby in Santa Barbara, just like when Joel told Tommy about what happened at St Mary's hospital. I feel like the story should have a new character that crosses paths with Ellie and hopefully this new character happens to be also immune somehow . The Seraphites, Fireflies and Rattlers should be involved aswell. Part 2 was filled with loss and hate. Part 3 should be about hope, especially for Ellie.
The rattlers are all dead, you free the prisoners at the end
@@madstellar2359 i'm pretty sure that was just one of the many bases of the rattles.
We have seen that there were prisoners and pillars on the beach, so we are talking about a prison, but probably the whole comunity lives somewhere nearby, just like in Jackson.
Ellie as a full adult realizes she can communicate and control the infected with her mind. She uses this to negotiate a peace treaty between the humans and the infected like Neo in the matrix 😂
I will be deleting this video now. Nothing compares to that story pitch. Genius.
i saw a theory where ellie's shift to ruthless violence and aggression and cruelty to a point that could be out of character for her (like in santa barbara when she killed the guy who'd just told her where abby was) was the cordyceps. it's infecting her slowly. im not sure what that implies for a third game (maybe her running out of time, and knowing that the fireflies are in santa barbara, seeks help from them which includes running into abby... then she utilizes a way to control the infected?) but it's an interesting theory. the effect of her anger from joel's actions and her ptsd from his death definitely contribute to her behavior/change in personalitty, but it could be something more and thats an interesting theory.
I remember reading years ago (the article may be down now) that Neil was going to make this into 4 parts, he has announced there was a script or an outline or something for a third installment but finishing 2 made me question where he could go for the third. I feel we could possibly get another half story of Ellie and Abby again because I do feel like Neil wouldn’t let that go and empty. Whenever 3 does get announced I’m ready for it
Would love to see a Joel - Timmy game and how they survived together as they mentioned. Would be insane
Who's Timmy?
Tommy
After part 3
Absolutely LOVE the idea of having Ellie and Tommy going on their own adventure
But then again what's the reason?
For fun?
People don't have that luxury in the apocalypse
They have 0 reasons to travel
Well sure. We all love Tommy, but really another adventure that teams up Tommy and Ellie would probably only play out like a diet coke version of Joel and Ellie's dynamic.
Tommy is a cripple now thanks to Neil Druckman. Neil doesn‘t respect any character that he didn‘t invented himself. So no it would be a bad idea having a cripple one eyed Tommy going anywhere. He could not survive like he used to.
That won't work they have different agendas now.
Ellie would be looking for Dina and JJ
It’s so funny seeing this. I was just going to tweet Neil Druckmann that I would love to see a continuation of Abby and Lev’s story. I want to know what happens, if they make it to the island with the new batch of fireflies or not. They could even call it by another name so people aren’t even bigger bitches about it than they were about part two when it came out.
I am also playing part one and two back to back. I’ve just reached Abby’s part in Seattle Day 1. What they did was absolutely genius. Turning the theme of revenge completely on its head. Who is more entitled to it? Joe killed her father, the only one capable of making a vaccine even if there was another person immune. Was it any more or less justified for her to go after him (?) and all that. In the end, apart from the game just being too nuanced and ahead of its time for most people, that leak certainly did not help. Had the story been able to unfold naturally we still would’ve seen some ridiculous criticisms, but it would’ve unfolded much differently. I mean, even cast members received death threats for fucks sake. Death threats for pouring blood, sweat and tears for years and years to bring us the best piece of art possible. it still bums me out to this day.
I do think the upcoming series on HBO looks fucking incredible. And I believe that will take things to another level. i’ve said this for a while, but I do think the day will come when this game is treated with the appreciation it deserves. There is a lot to be said about the toxicity of PC gaming culture as well. People having empty opinions about something based on watching footage on CZcams versus actually holding the controller in their hand and feeling the vibrations. It’s like saying “I drove a Ferrari” only to follow it up with “well, I saw one drive around the block”. By that logic every NASCAR fan is a driver.
Anyway, yes. Since the end of this game two years ago when I last played it I have really been wanting to find out what happens with what I think should be an obvious direction as to where a part three could (and should) go.
I wish there wasn’t so much toxicity around this series
@@DrPooplove it truly is tragic. Like so many other things it seems motivated by fear, or quite frankly “FOMO”. You often see it with PC gamers over exclusives. Things they are mad they cannot partake in.
I think using the same machine (PC) used to bicker with people on social media and various comment sections actually bleeds into the games they are playing. Or should I say “watching”. Whereas if you have a console: it’s all about the games. Completely separate. Not having Twitter or Reddit joined at the hip to a game that requires full attention.
The only thing I’ll concede; Druckmann shot himself in the foot 100% with the “indefinite delay” after having several delays already. Especially when a pandemic started, and we were all entering quarantine. It was a huge white light ripped away. Which is why the leak came from a disgruntled employee.
Other than that, we are nothing but lucky to have these masterpieces. And I do think this new HBO series is going to cut down on some of that toxicity because it’s going to make a much larger audience. I think will see a difference after that. That’s what I hope for anyway.
Absolutely. TLOU games brought to life a new audience. My daughter & I played both during the pandemic and were completely engulfed in the story and game play. The hatred for Abby is ridiculously undeserving but made sense given the attachment to Ellie’s character. I really like the direction of this proposed third installment of the game series. I would keep everything as is accept for the death of Ellie. I really want a look into Lev’s character and some gameplay for her as well. To appease the PC players, give them a multiplayer game. A death 💀 match version. There should also be that version on the ps5/ps6 with all the infected roaming around.
😂
There is so much potential in this story. Love your ideas, I think it’s a great natural progression for the story. Hoping that’s the semi direction the game takes.
Thank you!
Honestly I think it should be about Ellie and showing more of a Joel side of her where she’s distant from everyone loses all sense of hope but that it should be another character that she meets that is immune and that she discovers she can’t have the surgery anymore bc her immunity has faded with age where she starts understanding how Joel feels giving a reason to return to Jackson and seeing tommy after everything he’s prolly still pissed at Ellie Dina if there still misses Ellie but still hurt she decided to leave and moved on as she starts to venture to the firefly’s with Abby when they get there Abby having time to reflect over all the loss tells Ellie not to go through with it to accept the world as it is and enjoy living with the ppl she cares about while Ellie reflects on Joel saving her saying she won’t make the same mistake he did and let’s the other immune go through with the surgery as it ends in failure brings Ellie even more pain as she realizes it could’ve been her that it should’ve been her realizing this is the horror Joel couldn’t bear to live through comforted by Abby in the end as they both came to understand and ending the game
That just sounds like a retreat of Part I. That would be really boring. Although, I do agree that it should be an Ellie redemption story.
@@niknigal3379 yeah I thought of it from the perspective of both stories of 1 and 2 kinda mixing both elements to try and bring an conclusive story but yeah I wanna see the fall of Ellie so we can see how she endure her struggles differently from Joel or even Abby
@@KIN6xKRY9TIK love the idea of ellie’s immunity fading. it would give a sense of impending doom and urgency to the whole thing. id also have it be a situation where ellie’s infection is spreading and she becomes weaker towards the end of the game, giving in to the psychological symptoms of the infection rather than the physical
I don’t know what direction to send Ellie in the game, but it should start with Ellie holding everyone at arm’s length EXCEPT a faithful dog
I propose that Tommy becomes much darker like Dutch in Red Dead… the story could be less about the ex machina of forging a vaccine against the cordiceps and more about redeeming Tommy, maybe at the cost of his relationship with Ellie
@@niknigal3379 not only is it a retread, but apparently the surgery and potential vaccine fails which now completely takes away the conversation about did Joel do the right thing by potentially screwing humanity to save one person because we would now know for sure that he made the right decision.
I actually loved 2 and didn't feel any points of the story were distracting from its message. I liked it a bit more than 1 in some ways. It would be cool for them to keep it going. I think a change of scenery would be cool, such as traveling to a more arid climate in the US like Arizona. I am just interested to see it continue.
I agree with you. I loved the 2nd game just like the first one. The author of this video made some great story elements that can be fleshed out in the sequel. I enjoyed this piece and agree with him. I wish that Naughty Dog made DLC to focus on Joel and Tommy when they on their own before the 1st game. But what the author stated in this video made more sense and would definitely close out the story arc! This is a great video and will share with my daughter who loves the game!
seeing the game in Arizona would be incredible for me since i live in phoenix! Can't imagine what it'd be like to see landmarks that i'm familiar with in my favorite game series lol
Psychopaths
@@CitizenSlave what? 😂
There was no message in 2 apart from the 'revenge is a circle' trope thats been done to death
Whatever happens in LOU3, I think Ellie should be a side character that helps move the story but not necessarily drive it. Either Tommy, Abby or a new character can take the lead instead. As for the prequel focusing on the 20 year period, I think it should be its own separate game, cause there’s a lot u could fit into it.
you had me utterly convinced until ellie’s death, unfortunately i couldn’t bare losing her, she means too much to me. it makes sense if she were to die for a cure but id feel ripped off, like too much has gone into her character for three whole games just to lose her at the very end, id feel so unsatisfied and heartbroken but every other aspect of your idea for a third game is pretty genius! naughty dog should hire you lmao (as long as you don’t bring up the idea of ellie’s death to them… please)
Lol #protect Ellie
exactly, if they do that to her I'll be depressed every time I hear about that game
I actually like this idea. At first I wasn't really sure Abby coming back would really be necessary, but I like how you tied her in and even gave her a moment at the end where she could have stopped it but instead allowed it. The only other idea I had was that maybe Part 3 starts off where Ellie and Tommy find out about some new group that has found a way to get the cure without killing Ellie and they go across the country to find them. But that's too much like Part 1 so I still think your idea is better.
Thanks!
I want to see the 20 years after Sarah passes away when Joel and tommy end up in the triage and when Marshal law gets placed and how Timmy and Joel survived in the 20 years of apocalypse
I’d definitely like to see some more Tommy, coming to terms with his grief and anger.
Legit all the ideas you have right here seems really well thought out and I like how you chose to center the story around hope. I never really thought of making each game themed around an emotion and I really feel that if we get a third naughty dog is gonna tug on our hearts and leave us with a very melancholy ending. I also love bringing in the tommy/Ellie dynamic to sort of resurrect Joel in the story but in a good way. (Not like Batman Arkham Knight with joker) seriously though I never comment this long but great ideas enjoyed the vid dude.
Thank you! I have had some of these thoughts going for years as initially part of this was my sketch for tlou 2 before that even came out! Glad I finally found a way to get it out there :)
I personnaly think that Ellie / Tommy duo wouldnt work out considering thé story
She let Abby alive and Tommy started to be a dick against her when she was at the farm with Dina
I haven't watched the video yet, but I think it is critically important to bring hope back to the series, and end it in that note.
Tlou2 also ended in a hopeful note because it showed Ellie starting to accept Joel's death and realizing that revenge didn't bring her the peace and closure she wanted, probably setting up a redemption arc for her in Part III.
When Joel first meets Ellie and is told about her immunity and the mission to get her to a doctor, he mentions "I've heard this before." Almost a been there/done that moment. I would love to see an episode devoted to Joel and his brother getting caught up with a group trying to get a character like Eugene from Walking Dead to some lab. It would be cool if it was right after the outbreak because we'd get to see some of the bigger hordes that would have emerged at a time when things were slightly less delapidated.
A journey between Elli and Joel’s brother could surely be accompanied by the flashbacks you mentioned.
Damn, nice video man! I love your story twist. Gosh I wish ND takes into consideration of your perspective. That would be awesome. Great video!
Such a great video, you really thought this through! What I understood at the end of TLOU1 is that Joel, having seen how cruel humanity is, thought that it was better not to sacrifice Ellie because that would mean that the world would return to normality and sooner or later it would find a way to destroy itself again. So basically people don't deserve that second chance and it would be better to just rebuild from scratch. At the end of TLOU2 I thought that everything was for nothing and that revenge is bad. I like your story for TLOU3 because like you said it wasn't all for nothing and that would be an amazing end to an amazing game.
Thank you!
If Part III Starts with Ellie waking up from a nightmare (the nightmare being Part II) I wouldn't even be mad.
Maybe they should have Tommy as a playable character because I remember Elie saying “Joel and Tommy did a lot to survive” but I’m not sure how it’ll fit in
your story / plot is pretty awesome and would seem like a logical next step. i really hope they go in that kind of direction.
I think new characters would be a good option and later on we meet a familiar face like Ellie, Tommy, Abby etc.
Dis man said Abby
I would love a Joel and Tommy prequel. I just want Joel back honestly, in one way or another
Honestly I don't know how this would work, because if I understand correctly, Tommy and Joel went their separate ways after Sarah was killed. Joel got in with the wrong crowd, trapping and killing innocent people while Tommy joined the fireflies.
That was quite a few year after the prologue, Tommy and Joel joined the hunters and moved to the Boston QZ. Then Tommy gets inspired by Marlene to join the fireflies and him and Joel have their big argument
Me too
@@Anonymous00319 they don't righy away. They are hunters. Tommy disagrees with the brutal immoral life and leaves. That's some years after Sarah
What I hate in last of us 2 is Ellie doesn’t say anything to Abby. Not a lot of words are exchanged between them even at the end. That’s why I was disappointed about the ending. Ellie stands under the person who killed her father figure and says nothing.
i hope ellie and abby dont meet again as its really not needed
Interesting. Would you want them both back for tlou 3?
I really like this idea, especially the ending. I will always defend Part 2 as it shows the raw and grim aspect of the world and its characters, it sets the stage perfectly for a final part to reach the light at the end of the tunnel. Ellie ultimately sacrificing herself and with a flashback of one tender and daunting moment between her and Joel and cutting it there without knowing if the procedure works delivers a powerful message about connection, that even though the world is falling apart, being there for each other and caring is one of life’s greatest gift. By then, this would bring the whole story into a full circle.
The first two games are about love and the things it makes people do, good or bad. They explore revenge, grief, and the grey areas of morality. If anything, I think the aspect of love that could be really important to discuss could easily be covered through Ellie, which would be understanding that often times non-action, distance, and making an effort to understand and appreciate others' decisions can be an equally strong and sometimes more difficult way to love someone.
I could see Ellie being forced to come to grips with "if you love us, then leave us alone" and then having to struggle with the guilt/ difficulties that come with Jackson struggling, raids on the city, even more apocalyptic issues like the Cordyceps spreading to other mammals like horses, dogs, livestock, etc...
Maybe she dedicates her life to finding a cure, travels the continent, studies medical books, basically goes on a 30 year pilgrimage of self-flagellation to figure out how her condition could possibly have meaning, only to find that by the time she gets back to Jackson with a solution, the world has begun to reset itself, and things were made right by her absence.
Part 3 better be Sarah waking up on the couch realizing everything was just a nightmare.
I'd be down with this story
Interesting concept. I like this idea. I don’t think Ellie and Abby could EVER be friends because of their past but they could definitely have a understanding that of each other.
You are probably right!
Thank you for this thoughtful, emotionally deep and so very mature video essay deep dive into such profound subject matter, Dr. Pooplove
Thank you!!
The part where you brought up the idea of Abby coming to understand Joel's reason to sabotage the surgery to stop Ellie from dying, holy cow....that gave me chills to think about and what a twist that would be! ...that for sure would make people to just HATE Abby even more so. (I personally liked her character.) But damn, what a story that would be....shoot maybe Ellie and Tommy don't part ways, but Tommy actually joins Ellie and meets with Abby, ...and idk take it from there. Maybe ......Tommy is also immune!? ...and we can either sacrifice Ellie or Tommy!
Ellie and Abby becoming friends is the dumbest shit I've heard. But knowing naughty dog they'll probably share a kiss together and reveal Abby is bisexual. *Sigh*
@@poordude2175 Cringe take
@@kptlt.phillipthomsen5973 what the idea? I know, it's more than just cringe.
@@poordude2175 No the fact your brain goes to that is just the cringe part
@@kptlt.phillipthomsen5973 well he's right. Deal with it
The ending was satisfying, the whole meaning of the game was Ellie on a psychotic revenge mission and she killed everyone involved besides Abby so Abby could suffer like how Ellie is. It’s called finding inner peace because once she actually killed abby she was just a monster as she was
Kinda worse tbh she killed dozens of people who weren't involved killed a person just as her age (ps vita willow) killed her for defending herself and then killed a pregnant woman and also was about to kill lev just to force abby to fight with her
@@DrHydra47 Ps vita girl had to go anyways, Mel deserved it but Owen was the only good person out of all of them
@@Jbugchirpster Mel was being a bitch to Owen making him commit only to her which (I do get she's pregnant) but he has the right to help abby
But I dint think she deserved to get stabbed in the throat just trying to protect her child
@@DrHydra47 all they had to do was listen
Ellie wasn’t going to kill them I don’t think. The only ones that deserve to die was Jordan, Nora, Mike, Nick, and you probably won’t like this, but Joel
I don’t think abby and ellie will ever meet again or that abby will be in the next game whatsoever. It would be a repeat of themes already extensively shown in part ii (i mean, capturing ppl in jackson? has abby learned nothing?)
That’s why she is hesitant. I think the overall theme is resurrecting hope but repeating some themes in a series is not bad I don’t think.
In total part 3 will be stupid thing if they release it
i agree but i feel like her planning to meet up w the fire flies and her sailing off somewhere at the end alluded to her finally going was mayb foreshadowing for the plot of the next game bc everyone was talking abt how all of them were dead yk? so they might do something with that bc it jus seemed significant, being the vaccine sht and her having encounters with someone immune.
rlly would just rather see ellie in a new-ish setting with newer people and going from there dealing with everything from her past n such bc i dont think she wouldve went back to jackson after all of that.
What is the name of the background music that plays at the beginning of the video? Who is the Artist behind the music in this video?
The Mini Vandals I have a couple times and French Fuse. These are all in CZcams’s no copyright audio library - surprisingly has some good songs
On a slighlty unrelated note, what music did you use in the background? I'd love to listen to it while studying
Check out the Mini Vandals - I use them for the tlou vibes
@@DrPooplove thanks bro, luv ya
Nice to see you have grown im an og. Nice video
Thank you!!
@@DrPooplove np
Definitely want a third game to bring the themes of the first two full circle. Part I was love, Part II: hate, and Part III would be centered around hope, namely the hope for redemption (for both Abby and Ellie, and for mankind.)
Game would open with an Ellie 5 years older, living a life of solitude in the Rocky Mountains. She never returned to Jackson, despite the longing to do so arising every day, she remains tortured by the events of the second game, even though she allowed Abby to live; PTSD entangled with guilt has driven her into isolation.
One day, while out hunting she is attacked by a mysterious, well armed paramilitary unit led by a masked man who is also immune, and who wants her captured, dead or alive. Ellie manages to evade the squad of elite soldiers, but is seriously injured in the process. Her brush with mortality pushes her to return north to Jackson in hopes that some semblance of familiarity remains there, all the while wrestling with the will to continue living.
She is awoken in the middle of the night on her journey back to Wyoming by Lev, who has also been tracking her. Lev informs her that the remaining Fireflies have learned of a research facility in close proximity to ground zero of the outbreak, South America, that has been facilitating the development of a vaccine. The researchers there are at the cusp of understanding the infection, but are in need of the missing link; someone with immunity.
Lev beckons Ellie to seek a purpose beyond herself, as the message of the Fireflies would encourage to do, “look to the light,” but he leaves out the fact that it is Abby (reignited by a sense of purpose to redeem herself by carrying on her father’s cause) who intends to lead this journey.
Ellie initially denies Lev’s request to make the journey to the facility with him, but is prompted to reconsider when she discovers that the Wyoming settlement has been decimated, most likely by the paramilitary group, and all that remains are infected, including, most likely, Dina and her son, JJ.
The game would follow Ellie, a reluctant but inspired Abby desiring her own kind of redemption by furthering her father’s cause, Lev, Tommy (one of the few survivors of the attack, burdened with his own sense of guilt), and a small group of Fireflies as they attempt to navigate a ravaged Central America, initially off shore by boat, but eventually overland when their vessel is destroyed by the paramilitary group hunting Ellie, who it is later revealed, has JJ.
The militaristic group would be revealed to be a splinter faction of the US military, FEDRA, initially tasked with waging war on the Fireflies and their cause. The Fireflies, it is revealed, are guilty of conducting vaccine trials inhumanely on live subjects comprised of PoWs, most of whom are FEDRA soldiers. However, there is an ulterior motive at play in the mind of this faction’s leader, who desires to keep the development of any kind of vaccine from ever becoming a reality.
Ultimately, Abby would sacrifice herself to save Ellie during a final massive battle between the militaristic group and the well defended research facility, and Ellie would go through with the terminal procedure, this time of her own volition, thereby finding the light in the midst of darkness engulfing the world, even the Fireflies. Whether or not the vaccine proves effective would ultimately be up for debate; the game would end at the moment Ellie breathes her last and her heart rate monitor flatlines as she lies on the operating table; her journey for personal redemption has come to an end.
Awesome!
This is a fully-fleshed out idea! Really like it. Though I think that Ellie shouldn’t die for the vaccine thing, I think if they want with that route, your idea would serve as a great script/concept.
I really like that idea
@@wyattgable13 thanks; I’ve been thinking about a Part III every day since playing the remake. I’ve got a lot of ideas in mind for how it would play out, but I think it may to ambitious for a single game. Would probably have to be a Part IV as well if it were to be at all feasible.
Still, I know Naughty Dog is more than capable of writing something thematically fitting for the finale, I just really hope it takes us outside of the United States. :)
You know, that idea was pretty good up until the antagonist was an immune masked figure. Man, talk about a Pixar fairy tale for the whole family to enjoy.
im hoping part 3 can give us some backstory, those twenty years between sarah's death and the first mission have a story to be told
You will like my next video ;)
This is exactly the direction I hope it will go in, except I want the new doctor to be like wait, maybe there’s a way to do this without killing Ellie. Maybe they discover this way while Ellie’s on her way to the fireflies, so Ellie and Abby don’t know this going in and Ellie wakes up surprised she’s still alive. I know that’s a more happy ending, but after the depressing vibes of part 2, I could use a happy ending. Also my girl Ellie absolutely cannot die 😂
Heheh love it!
Ellie should definitely live thinking she gave her life for the cure. But there should be a period of mourning with her because now she has nothing to live for. Then grow feeble and old and die. She needs to bounce grandchildren on her lap who don't understand the infection and can only play video games about it. Abbey and Ellie should become fast friends because they beat each other to a pulp. Abby dies heroically protecting Ellie. Redemption accomplished. But some new mutation should arise starting the whole process all over again.
I think that while Tommy is acting as kind of a replacement for Joel, Ellie should sometimes look at Tommy, and be able to see Flashes of Joel in those sweet somber cut scene moments, I would love to see that, and I think it would be a super cool aspect to the game.
Or instead, I also think it would be cool if Ellie could be around 25 to 35 years old, and have Dina's kid be Ellie's new partner, and kind of make a nostalgic effect like how Joel and Ellie were in the first game, and the kid and Ellie are kind of distant because Dina left with the kid. Dina dies or SOMETHING and Ellie has to go with the kid, and their mostly awkward around each other, but Ellie doesn't trust the kid like how it was in the first game. The objective in this game however, I think maybe Jackson is running out of Materials, too many people/overcrowdings or there's a bad sickness (NOT THE ZOMBIE SICKNESS), and Ellie is immune, because of her already immunity to the other sickness (idk how it's going to work, maybe Dina saves Ellie or something by giving her the last of the medicine, and that's how Dina dies?) but resources are kind of dying out, so they hear something on a radio, or find new info about a jackpot of medicine or something that will help out Jackson tons. Somewhere in the story, Abby, or someone and Ellie meet up, with their little buddies. And like in TLOU1 Ellie gets Levi, and Abby gets Whoever Ellie's with, and it cuts off here with A flashback, or nostalgic moment in Ellie's mind.
I like the ideas presented here, there's gonna have to be lot of work done to explain how Ellie and Abby could ever look past the fact that they've both killed people that the other cared about deeply. but other than that I like the idea of having Abby on Joel's end of the surgery situation. Also love the idea of Tommy's role being reversed. There are a lot of amazing ideas at play in this. Good work.
story about how fireflies started would be amazing too
right before marlene was killed by joel, she said she was absolutely sure shes been through a lot worse than joel
This was beautiful thank you for giving us ‘hope”
I honetsly loved seeing a such a drastically pov that abby provided in part 2 and it really solidified the “give and take” aspect of the world of the last of us. as much as joel wanted to take from the world, there was only so much bloodshed he could create until the world came after him. it also really showed me that when you lose someone so close, such as joel and the player base, you are more likely to start outcry and uproar, hence the negative reaction to joel’s death. i see people costantly flaming naughty dog for the way that joel died, and in all honesty, joel had every bit of it coming, and it sort of does fit the narrative of the story. people may call the way he passed as narratively lazy or unecessary, i realized that most stories have outlandish situations that top even the last of us. i really hope that people eventually come to terms with joel’s death because at the end of the day, he’s still gone, and there’s more pleasure in embracing and enjoying such a thriller rather than denying the fact that it still develops whether or not you want it to.
Joel did have it coming. I think it should have happened although I did wish Naughty Dog did more to show Joel as having “lost his edge” to the point where he was willing to trust and tell strangers his name, etc.
@@DrPooplove willing to trust strangers? Kinda like how he trusted Sam and Henry immediately after being attacked by them, and then literally follows them to their hideout, to only be left for dead by them hours later. To only trust them all over again right after.
But trusting a girl who’s life you just save and proceed to fight along side and who helps you escape from death is to much for people like yourself.
@@SethG3600 he trusted them unwillingly with Ellie prompting. Regardless it shouldnt have to be explained by jumping through so many hoops
@@DrPooplove and Joel trusted Abby and her group unwillingly with Tommy prompting. He barely said more than two words to her or her group. Regardless how you feel about trust, he went to Abby’s hideout out of desperation, and with Abby already knowing his name lying was not an option. He was dead the minute they enter that house. I don’t think you need to jump through multiple hoops to explain it. It’s all there presented to you, just not in your face. That’s just my take though.
@@SethG3600 well like I said I just wish they did more to make it more obvious because the coincidence of her running into the one person she was looking for right away was already hard. I think it’s plausible for sure that he would slip up. But my thing was give us a little more to tell us he lost his edge. They don’t have to spoon feed but you know 1 extra scene or passing comment ahead of time. Thats all i need
Bro ngl I was kinda tearing up just hearing about your ending. The community wouldn’t like Abby and Ellie getting along but still that ending would hit me like a truck
I feel like I just played the game you are describing and I honestly loved it it makes sense, this is the first time I see one of your videos but it’s great ! Good work
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it
I need to know what song plays at the start of the video, SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME
In Memory of Jean Talon by the Mini Vandals ;)
@@DrPooplove You are a god send, thank you :) Also can't go without saying the video was excellent!
I like it. But, I am one of the few who loved the story of part two. So much in fact thats it’s probably my favorite story of all time. The way it ended doesnt really need to have anything else happen after that. It’s hard to say if it would be a mistake to do that but, if they are gonna do it.. well I like your idea.
I would love a prequel with Joel and Tommy
Might not be a bad idea
yeah, i mean there's a 20 year gap after *spoiler* sarah dies and then you play as joel
I had an idea about what part 3 could be. It can have 3 different timelines, the time of Joel from when his own daughter got killed in the 1st game, have a focus on that first 20 years on what he was up to. The 2nd can be about Joel and Ellie growing up in those few years together after the 1st game .. and the 3rd can be just about Ellie after events in the 2nd game... something that ties everything together to a final conclusion, maybe giving herself up to the fireflies for that surgery to engineer that vaccine..or something along those lines.
Nice job man. This is actually pretty interesting. I shared a tear during the end of the video. 🙌
Glad you liked it!
I think TLOU 3 should be Ellie again in a journey while being all the time with Joel as a ghost. Joel could be the depression and emotions of ellie and at the end when joel disappears of her head is when she found the peace. Part 3 should be about finding yourself and purpose for sure. Batman Arkham Knight made something similar with joker.
Telltale’s The Walking Dead also did something like that between Lee and Clementine
@@simelstre that wasn't an hallucination with clemmy, hallucinating means seeing someone there in the real world who isn't really there. Clementine was only dreaming of Lee. Still emotional though I hope to see something similiar with Ellie hallucinating Joel.
Part 3 should start off with Ellie waking up from a terrible dream, and then Joel goes up to her and says “It’s alright, it was just a nightmare”
yeah );
And realizes that her name is not Ellie, but Sarah. She has her breakfast and goes to her school thinking that watching too many zombie movies was a bad idea.
Its alright kiddo dont forget kidooooo
yes 110%
Yeah that’s the only way I’ll be happy LOL
Your Story Idea sounds so great. It would be such a great conclusion for everything.
Thank you!
I feel like Part 2 should have been Joel being hunted down by the scientists of different groups as they try and find Ellie to make the cure.
I can't express just how much I love both the last of us part 1 and dare I say more so part 2, LOVED IT. Saying that, the idea you have I think could be brilliantly done and an excellent way to wrap it all up.
Thanks! And definitely appreciate that many many regard tlou2 as even more of a masterpiece than the original!
Having it show the consequences of Joel's actions and see it all from someone else's perspective (not everything is so black and white) and have you actually play as that other person who is a victim of them actions, who sees it all very differently and rightfully so I thought was groundbreaking and really played with emotions and empathy in a very powerful way.
In your idea for part 3 having Abby put in a similar situation to the end of part 1 where she doesn't want Ellie to now die, and if even for a brief moment understands why Joel did what he did and feels that need to stop Ellie from sacrificing herself I think would be very fitting and satisfying too.
Im with you man. Part two is a great, emotionally power story. Sadly most gamers dont fully understand I think.. or maybe they do and simply dont like it anyway. Often I see it represented wrong the with comments like ‘revenge is bad’ or the the cycle of revenge’ when thats not really what this game is about imo. Anyway, I also like his idea but also feel its a risk to expand on this story anymore. Seems most dont like it so if gamers see these two become friends they’ll just complain about that too..
I love both, a lot. Wouldn’t say 2 more than 1 but it’s close…and yes, I love Abbie’s (and Lev) character and story
I feel like it should be about what happened after Sarah died in the beginning. I think it would be interesting saying that Joel and Tommy were together and it would show how they met Tess. Also I think it would be cool to see Joel’s reaction to seeing his first clicker and bloater.
Fungus reanimates Joel. Joel regains consciousness. Now he wants to bring back Sarah and Tess
it would be cool to have a little more of back story about how ellie is inmune, like what did her mom do to make it posible
I swear I thought of that exact ending. Ellie’s redemption arc. Simply the last of us is Joel and Ellie. I really want it to be the focus, of the next game. Not to be blocked by another developing story.
Right! I think if they need to conclude Joel and Ellie’s full story and if they want to really dig into other characters that can be separate/later
@@DrPooplove Abby and Lev should have been a spin off or something else.
On the 3rd one i want these to happen hehehe
There's another immune person with some kind of illness and he/she is the new villain .. Tommy will die , but before he dies he will remember all of his survival days with Joel after Sarah's death and you can play him as playable character as flashback something like that .. Abby and Ellie team up to defeat this new immune villain ..after all the killings from part 2 Abby and Ellie became friends ... in the end this villain will sacrifice himself to make a vaccine
after he realized something about cycle of hatred or cycle of revenge and also because he/she will die anyway xD because of his illness ..
Sorry bad English :)
Cool premise!
Wtf this is the most fan-made plot ever
@@GabrieleTarallo this sounds like the sequel to what people wanted from part 2 tho
@@deriksandoval5263 That’s what fan made means . If you can predict the plot of a sequel it’s not a good sequel, it’s fan service
This was very close to what I had thought of for a 3rd part as well. Good job!
Thanks!!
Basically what 3 should be about is Ellie waking up from a dream and 2 never happened and Joel is still alive.
Honestly their story should have just ended with the first game. That ending was perfect, no need to do anything beyond that. The second game should have been about Joel's past with his brother.
I agree. Actually my idea for part 2 was similar to what I have here with seeing the past and having Ellie escaping Jackson looking for remaining fireflies but I didn’t know how to make videos at the time lol. But since we do have the part 2 that we do, I think there needs to be a conclusion and a part 3 to wrap it back up
Tbh I could see that more as (hopefully) a future DLC
@@P.CR33DNeil would never do that he hates Joel
I find it funny when people say there will be no part 3. With how Part 2 ended, it needs a next part even more than part 1 did
Agreed
Tlou part 3 Joel resurrection, fireflies find Joel's corpse with slight vitals. Rebuild him with spare parts. He's faster and stronger than ever but hes got no free will. That is until a microchip shorts granting him resbit from their control. Joel goes on a rampage killing everything controlled by the player, gameplay progression unlocks Lazer eyes and chainsaw arm attatchments.
Tlou part 3 Joel's judgement roll credits
Joel waking up from a really long bad dream
I really liked part 2, I feel like people expected the 2nd game to basically be a father/daughter type game. With that people were too focused on that to enjoy what the second game offered, and I feel like the events were a good full circle meet, although the way they drug it out is what worsened the plot. It went from good-bad-good with the middle bits being a lot of filler. You're right though thus game does have a lot left to tell, but I don't think theres much more to tell about Joel, unless we are going through what Ellie has learned from him. I want a story around Ellies beliefs and what SHE would do, not what Joel would want her to do. I'm rambling but I wan't more Ellie content, there's just not much else that can be said about Joel.
Yeah I am just very intrigued by Joel’s transformation and also this philosophy debate about survival at all costs versus reviving community and civilization. Tommy and Joel represent both sides of that coin and so I would like to see that explored somewhere but it could be separate.
It’s good that you did, I thought the gameplay , graphics and polish made up for the horrible writing and directing
I like this idea, but I actually would like to see part three be more about Abby and Lev, and their new journey. And introduce new characters. And obviously I would like to see Ellie in the game as well or if not that maybe just a game about Joel and his brother and about how he met Tess and all the adventures and all the horrible things that Joel had to do in those 20 years that we didn’t actually get to see.
Your take on a potential TLoU part 3 is insane. Insanely GOOD. Naughty Dog should just hire you to filter out some crazy ideas they may have. You have such a clean and nuanced look on things, just imagining part 3 the way you described it brings me so much happiness. Literally praying this comes true, can't get it out of my head now!
got me there for a second lol
I think it will be important for Lev to be a playable character rather than Abby to differentiate itself from the second game
I’m thinking in the end Abby will develop the same skills as her father (but better) and she will be the one who can develop a vaccine without killing Ellie.
On the other hand, we all had major ideas on part II and nobody was right about it. So let’s have Naughty Dog surprise us with a new masterpiece with an unexpected story!
Considering the ending, I really imagine Ellie to be more like a anti-hero figure in a Western style. I just imagine the first scene of she entering a town with a huge clicker problem and resolving it to then leave the town with no notice. Maybe the story could connect with her dealing with the fireflies somehow and with Abby.
On the other hand, I REALLY would like to see Dina in a more involved active role. So..what about controlling her as the sucessor of Maria? She has a family and she has deep feeling of community and bonds. So what about she tries to streghten the community so nobody can be excluded...in other words, to let anyone become or feel what Ellie felt in her life? Remember the teenagers that died running from Jackson...there was some pressure going on. So, if the third part its about hope, this should be about the society, not science. It would give a really could significance of what Last of Us its about: humanity.
There is a 20 year gap after Joels daughter died that we never got to know anything about. Also id love to see how the virus started out by seeing everything, like Tommy calling sarah and Joel outside the house and so on.
Can someone please tell me the name of the song the video opens with?
It’s called in memory of jean talon it’s in the youtube audio library
Super awesome man thank you it’s beautiful
@@kadenlangston5958 sorry my mistake this is by the mini vandals called in memory of jean talon
Oh awesome, thanks for the correction lol the first one didn’t sound right 😅
I personally would love to see a third game focused on Abby and Lev. I loved Abby, she was my favorite part of the game and she had the better gameplay sequences of the 2 in the game.
Abby should remain in Part 2. Any involvement in future games would be so forced and unnecessary.
i think that the point of the second game was at the end they had mutual respect for each other as ellie let abby and lev go so i think the idea of abby coming back to capture her is unlikely
ok, how about everything you proposed *but* with one exception: When Ellie goes to the Fireflies, fully willing to sacrifice her life for a possible cure, it turns out all this doctor needs is blood and spinal fluid. A non-lethal procedure is all that is required of her. That way, Joel was - kind of - right in the end for the decision he made. It was wrong in the moment and doesn't change the selfish nature of his decision, but through luck, it led to a situation where there can be a cure and Ellie gets to live. The ending would leave it up to the player if a cure is actually even possible, but there is *hope*.
I do like that idea! But also knowing The Last of Us, blood will need to be shed somehow lol