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I have been driving on and off since 2016. Right now my biggest issue with Uber or Lyft is manipulation. It’s just sickening and demoralizing. I understand it’s a hustle but I just want to drive and earn a fair split of the fare collected from passengers without playing games.
DON'T WE ALL!! DO YOU HEAR US NOW UBER & LYFT?!! These companies do NOT CARE about either the driver, nor the rider, so it's up to both driver and rider to care about each other. This creates success for both driver and rider. They should've never tried to fix what was not broken. It all started going bad when they went IPO.
If they weren't conning us, that would be a different story. They know exactly how they are deceiving us and do it wherever they can get away with it, blaming it on the mysterious algorithm doing it.. I call BS!
I used to drive in the opposite direction just to revolt. They now offer you a choice if you want to "switch" to the new ride, often providing some B.S. justification like "Higher Rated Rider" or "Higher Paying Ride"
All of us drivers regardless of its Uber or Lyft we need to come down together nation wide and stop driving for a few days (2-3 days every month) , stop driving during major events concerts sporting events or any event that draws high demand(revenue for Uber and Lyft) and if possible get media attention
UberEats keeps sending the bogus warning "In order to raise your status, accept more orders." I used to have NO problem remaining at Platinum status ~ all i did was worked. But now the $/miles ratios are RIDICULOUSLY low. I keep declining orders. AND THEN they will cont to offer THE EXACT horrible order, sometimes 5 or 6 times; thatz something fairly new too. I feel this is even a manipulation to not only pay us as little as possible but to also keep our status low so we earn less perk$. Plz share a response. Thank u💪
Another one is choosing Quest. Once you pick a Quest you give Uber the power to control and manipulate you. Nowadays I don’t bother picking Quests since they have been essentially reduced to zero. Choosing a Quest is telling the algorithm to abuse you by giving you 3.75 rides since it knows you need a certain numbers of rides to complete the Quest.
As soon as you get a ride turn off the ride requests until you drop the person off and then you won't have the offers hitting your screen. Then when you drop them off turn the ride requests back on. I've found it to be a less stressful way to deal with being bombarded with offers while I'm driving and usually having a conversation with the customer. So much safer that way.and I can actually see what I'm accepting instead of just blindly accepting sometimes.
@ladystormhealing its true if many drivers do the same than uber or algorithm doesent have many choices.but unfortunately many many new naive drivers do accept as couldn't see the navigation and after accepting they dont want to cancel the ride as they dont want loose their bonuses status which i never bothered! So a win gor uber at the moment till newbies understand or not that deliberate.....
I always call the passenger before arriving to let them know they can leave early as soon as I arrive. Most say they will leave early….therefore, very minimal wait time. I hate having to be online 40 minutes before a scheduled ride. Really is a waste of time to blow 30 minutes before a 10 minute ride to pickup location.
Blew a gasket a month and a half ago. Went back to a W-2, 9 to 5, and getting an independent contractor remote customer service job You're not burning up gas and killing your car. After the pandemic, Uber went downhill. Also, from you last video, they're stealing tips Another class action is coming....
I've learned that once I'm on a ride, I have to click "no new requests" so basically going offline. otherwise uber and lyft will sneak in a very lowball offer. Now that does mean I have wait time in-between each ride but I feel better that I've stopped them manipulating me in that way. heartless companies!
You forgot how Uber hustles and removes you from a profitable area with short pick up distances and send you to unprofitable areas where every pick up is at least 15 minutes or more than 5 miles. They do it by starving you with small $4.59 fares and then showing you a $25 fare that will still take about an hour to complete to nowhere. Once there and an hour away from city center, you will be shuttling riders 15 to 20 minutes away and essentially losing money. In the past Uber used to pay for doing this manipulative technique by paying for completing 3 consecutive rides with the last one taking you to no man’s land. Now the algorithm just trick you and dump you in an area where you’re forced to offer losing rides.
If only it were that easy! You can take a ride that seems high paying and still be screwed. I took a ride that paid $33.71 for 22mi or so... guy paid 117.98 for the trip. For me, that was about $1.53/mi... good right? $33.71 for 40ish min of work, but overall that means Uber kept 72% while I got a measly 28% when I'm doing all the work and their system just pairs passengers with drivers. Not to mention, when I don't have any riders set up in my queue and the trip thing pops up... I'll select the ones I want, but then not get any of those, another ride will come direct to my phone and it'll be away from the surge area even though I choose rides that had surges attached. So... the ability to pick high paying rides isn't really there. I do cherry pick, I do take only rides that are above $1.00/mi and if I do a lot of driving... I generally make about $2k/wk. I prefer to stay busy and moving, knowing that I might have a small fish now, but I could be moving to an area where a whale is waiting that's also a tipper!
@@ssunkite1 generally if I do things of 12s... I'll make 2300-2700 based on bonuses and tips. 2k or there abouts is from maybe 45-60hrs of driving. It's random, as we all know and is based on a large number of variables. I'm in a large city, large metro, with a lot of impoverished people and a lot of well off people enjoying their money. It's a good mix, honestly.
I'd argue that Lyft having Auto-Accept is manipulation, and I'm so glad they finally gave me the option to disable it, so I don't end up driving 70+ miles out of nowhere.
only problem is there are still rides that could be sent to another driver if they are closer than you, but you won't receive anything for your effort.
Dont do the chart thing... it's always too hard to follow where youre going with it. I always turn off my app on each ride, because of your second point. I'd rather concentrate on my current ride and worry about the next one when I'm finished with the current one.
Jay, I have a pet peeve that has been going on with passengers. I often get people with walkers to and from doctor appointments. This I do not mind because the walkers fold up easily. BUT…I had 2 pick ups last week with people who were wheelchair bound. The first one, the woman had her daughter with her so she took care of getting her mother and the chair in my suv. The second was a man on his own. I refused to pick him up and canceled the ride saying “item’s would not fit”. We are not medical transport. This may not be Ubers fault but these doctors offices using Uber for wheelchair transport is wrong. Thoughts???
And if you get hurt on the job trying to physically load a passenger into your car, even knowing that the medical offices do not tip, you have no recourse for medical leave or Worker's Comp! But if you cancel this kind of ride, your cancellation rate is affected and you are PENALIZED! Foul Uber/Lyft/medical offices!!
@@robinrienerth6521 when I canceled it didn't affect my rate because I put in that their items wouldn't wouldn't fit it's also not our responsibility to transport patients and transfer them into our vehicle
Yeah, and if those rides are third party booked, by the doctor/clinic/hospital/etc. I guarantee you the doctor/clinic/hospital/etc. is billing the patient's insurance the max allowed.
In Arizona the transportation Company that had the medical transport contract with the state actually uses Uber to do the transport for most rides. What a joy to take methadone clinic and dialysis rides. One lady gamed the system to pick up her prescription at Walmart and bought a cart full of groceries that needed to be loaded and u loaded all for $4.
When Uber switches you to that reserved ride and you had to wait for 30 minutes you should have turned on Lyft and taken a ride or two then come back to the reserved ride.
Now , FUBER Los Angeles CA, only sends me $3 - $4 trips only all day with bad rating riders trip requests. After the expenses i make $6.50 an hour. 😂 Its Time to drive with local taxi cabs 😂
I do food delivery for uber eats and uber is taking 50 60 up to 70 % base fare and making me go 3.5 4 5 miles and I'm noticing there algorithm is taking base fare as from tips meaning if I get a nice tip the base fare will be 30% to me and 70% to them
Lyft just screwed me out of a reservation ride by giving the ride to someone else after I drove 17 miles and 25 minutes to pick up Allan and would not allow me to "Arrive," saying that I was too far away! And now Lyft has deleted the entire reservation from my app! They just keep getting worse, not better. If you have stock in Lyft, sell it fast!
Jay I agree 100% with what you said but in addition to making more money it's about being efficient too. With $5 a gallon gas price's some days where I make less money I actually nett more by taking rides that make more sense. Some small rides for $4 are ok if your driving a half mile away to drive someone 1 mile as opposed to driving 5 miles to drive somewhere 3 miles.
The trouble is, many drivers out there are not intelligent enough to spot the low paying stuff and not accept it. They will simply accept it when they see it on their screen. We should work together and not ACCEPT THE LOW $$ offers they send us!! Please drivers dont work for peanuts or you will bring us all down, making us desperate and unber lift and bolt will love it.
Some of those people need rides some drivers regardless if the person is at there door they won't do a 5 $ trip but someone needs to get to work some people.need to get home from doctor office I'm pissed too but this kind of sounds greedy do you care about your customers at all there hands are in your lives.
Something else that needs to be added. Twice, Lyft has done a bait and switch on me. I getna notification for a ride with a high dollar figure. After accepting it. That same ride(s) price drops. Initially it's subtle to the eyes. But it has happened. Take screen shots of your rides
This has happened to me on a lux ride with lyft.... changed 43.99 upfront price on a 2 mile ride during an event, to 19.99 +4 bonus due to longer than estimated (according to them). The ride was no different than the other rides of similar length. Thats what made me remember the original fare. I complained, they played stupid.
Uber has an "auto-accept" option in my market (Tampa Bay). I've never turned it on, but it's there. For awhile we had the same problem with getting scheduled rides as a normal ping. There was nothing to tell you it was a scheduled ride until you arrived and that was usually 15-30+ minutes too early. They substantially fixed these issues now. The ping is clearly marked "scheduled ride" (so at least you know) and after you accept it, the little icon is different so you can tell, and you can immediately look at the trip details and the exact scheduled pick up time. This is the messed up thing about it. If uber can give that information to drivers in my market, why can't they give to drivers in Jay's market?
In Chicago they lock you out of further reservations if you cancel them, even though they got you to accept like a normal ride using their dishonest tactics.
I drive both at Disney in Orlando; I set a filter each to accept rides in a 5 mile circle on Disney property. Gives you the chance to get more rides which means better tips than just one tip on a long ride. Also keeps your driving area to a minimum so saves miles and gas. Take advantage of gas discounts. I’m a platinum driver and average .30 cents off per gallon which gives me a free tank of gas every 5th fill up. I average $30 an hour and drive 2/3 hours driving 50 miles a nite. Remember to also think outside the box…
What burns my ass is the trip notifications being shown in time as opposed to distance, the way Lyft does. A 15-minute trip in Toronto can mean 1 km in distance in rush hour traffic. a 45-minute trip can mean anything as well. But what's really ire-inflicting is the 1 + hour trips that can take you out of the city and preclude you from getting trips in that region. Decline a trip and you still get penalized from even getting to see trip notification information AT ALL. As a diamond driver, this is unconscionable to me and offends me no end. In Toronto, not only are you penalized for a high cancelation rate, but they get you on a low acceptance rate as well.
Im starting to wondif the algorithm punishes you for being more selective by not giving you more rides. I seemed to have had a terrible dry spell whenever I choose not to accept rides in attempts to discriminate as you said.
I'm sorry Jay but Lyft's auto-accept is the bane of rideshare driving. I'd be willing to bet that 99 times out of 100 the rides you auto-accepted are trash $2 - $4 rides you woulda/shoulda/coulda opted out of to begin with. By auto accepting you're now in the position of either taking that crap or cancelling and watching your cancellation rate climb to potential platform expelling amounts.
Correction here. With Lyft, you can decline an auto accept any time you stop your vehicle, at a light, pull over, or when you drop off the current customer before you end the ride, and it is not a cancelation.
It boils down to this in Texas RGV market.... Minimum wage plus tips and 95% of people don't tip. No matter how clean and fresh my car and I are and how nice and accommodating I am only few people tip. FYI minimum wage is $7.25 in Texas
One thing that I don't like is the difference between your app and my app. Uber doesn't auto-accept? A tiny notification? Not in my app. I believe that you don't have that. I do.
In Boston last winter I would get reserved rides for the next day. But I would have to look after 11 pm and these rides are always around 4 am to 6 am. Also ALWAYS to Logan Airport of course. Now nothing just what Jay said you don't know until you excepted the ride. I definitely make sure I let my passengers know that I just received the ride. Make them aware that RESERVATIONS mean nothing. I've also received many private clients this way and always a great tip!
How do we deal with the devil? It’s like if we become selective, every other driver thinking the same thing? So how many good offer is there going around? Plus the devil will punished the driver by ghost pausing, I think the only way to show them is to quit!
Jay, regarding reserve rides, I don’t know about your market but when I get a notification for a reservation ride,it always says reservation. And the pick up times have always been within the arrival time.
In my city they show “reservation “ in the bottom left corner when reserved ride comes through during a trip. A lot of these things are based on area. What is going on in one city is different in others as far as functions go.
I only accept extremely high paying airport reservation orders, I've taken ones that were normally $30 for the distance and ended up with a reservation order for $80, it was a good deal to wait 30 minutes and get an extra $50. and cuz gave 20 tips BTW. 😁
have two phones, Uber and Lyft. Reserve and airport reserves are the worst type. You lose money on reserve 1 hr prior and waiting (airport late flight are always delay).
Does anyone have an idea how those algorithms work? How come I pick up the call and as soon as I pick up suddenly I receive a message” something went wrong”. This happens to me a lot and then I check my acceptance rate and it goes down like rain. Surreal! This is disgusting 😏
It almost always great in the beginning but not for those who don't get in on the beginning. I got in 2018. I did experience the multiplier before they changed it. Started getting ripped off since late 2018. Could have made so much more back in 2016. But it wasn't my timeline to start. I can speak to how to make a lot of money. There are things I know that I haven't heard yet about how to make a lot of money especially in Nashville.
That's exactly what I've learned to do. I don't even do those bonuses anymore, they're just a trick for you to pick up those micro rides. When you add a regular day up, of your selective rides, compared to picking up micro rides to get that 100 bonus, for picking up 60 rides, you'll still be way short of your regular selective ride day. Beware of those bonuses, they're just a waste of gas and no money.
I'm in Los Angeles, Uber does have an auto accept feature which I don't use because I wanna know what i accept. So I stop accepting request as soon as I accept one, then turn it on as soon as I'm done. But what are your thoughts on prop 22? Every two weeks I get anywhere between 150 and 300 dollars because I was underpaid apparently.
I've often seen the notification thing as more of a benefit to riders, so that they'll at least have one person who could take their ride. Yeah, it sucks as a driver, since you never look at your phone for those until they are gone. But from the rider side, it's great for them since there'll be at least one driver who'll likely see their request. Some of these other things I never noticed, thanks for pointing them out.
I would not have waited 25mins for the scheduled ride. In my market, it tells me when the rider needs to be picked up, so if its a good ride I can hop on Lyft to do a short ride and then head for the scheduled ride. You can also call the pax and ask them if they're ready, explain that waiting 25mins is a waste of time/money. 99% of the time, the rider is ready. Only 1x a rider wasn't ready but he tipped me $15 because I called and gave him the option of coming right away or waiting
Some markets are super slow and some drivers accept every ride because they may only get one off an hour and it may pay $4.59. In my market, the rides are unlimited. In 6 hours, I know I deny Over 60 bad offers and do 20.
Here is something else happening while I wait on a rides… when I cancel a ride.. park somewhere “safe” and wait wait wait…🙄then I turn to a social media and what I notice they don’t send me anything.. it’s not like it was before.. before I could put my phone on low battery and surf the internet and still get rides, but now they say they can’t see my location… that’s a bunch of BS when they already know where I am at my phone is on.. and I have my location set to precise and sharing with them.
I have a couple of manipulations. One most people should know already is that if you take a small fair (for what ever reasons you have) the AI will give only small fairs until there isn't anyone around to take the good stuff. And a new one with Uber Eats. A store owner told me about a new Uber policy to combat people sitting around where if you wait to long at a place for an order the system registers the driver as a bad match for the store and basically bans them from the store. This will reduce your pick up locations without notice. So if you're waiting to long, to avoid being banned you jave to cancel the order. That will still mess with your cancellation rating. It's a no win situation.
Hi Jay I agree with you and I found it hard to win against these companies I found a way to make them loose money after I complet a trip but that can only work one or two times a day, by the way things got worse for the drivers after Uber and Lyft went public,i try to limit how many trips i accept and i try to work when I'm short on cash and I also drive when there's a big event i avoid accepting long trips with my strategy i make at least $ 2.00 a mile.
In NC they state it on the screen way below that its a reservation. Reservations in NC usually always pay higher on Uber. Lyft reservations here suck soo bad, I will never do those. To combat distractions I hit the big red 'stop' button when I am on a ride so that I am not being rushed/pushed to accept something uber/lyft throws at you.
I'll never accept another Lyft reservation ride! Uber's reservation rides work a lot better than Lyft's and always have. Lyft will never be as good as Uber. And you can NEVER speak to a real support person in the Lyft app. Only supposed to message them, and then, they don't address the issue and automatically close the support ticket issue, prior to their notice of closing the ticket in an hour, especially if they don't know how to answer your questions or simply just don't want to answer your questions.
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Jay, why don't you stop the Uber app between passengers? It just sounds like you're unnecessarily compromising your own safety here. As you are doing both apps, you shouldn't be waiting too long between rides. And there's no possible way I would wait almost half an hour for a reservation. What???
I keep getting riders saying they'll tip me but they never do. Riders, don't tell the driver you'll rip because I know you won't. I'm tired of being taken advantage of
Text the forgot item...when they respond...text I know. You did not forget to tip me, because you're a great person and you said you'd tip me $20, but Lyft/Uber has been caught stealing our tips repeatedly....would you send me a screenshot of you receipt showing the tip so I can force them to pay me what you paid me... I'd really appreciate it because $5 here and $20 here they steal in tips adds up to thousands over the year...
I have a 54% and 53% acceptance rate with Uber and Lyft respectively. Which I know they consider to be very low. Honestly, I'm surprised it's that high. I feel like I turn down 2 or 3 rides for every one that I accept. They have ZERO CONCERN for drivers making money. So, I'm pretty picky about the rides I accept. I believe that their algorithm actually rewards picky drivers, even though they strongly encourage drivers to accept every ride they are offered. And here's the thing... They are about customer satisfaction, even though they don't give a crap about drivers. So, if there is a customer that needs a ride and they know you are a picky driver, they will pay you whatever they think it's going to take to get you to accept that ride and take care of that customer. Today I got an offer for $18 that I accepted. In talking to the customer I found out he only paid $20 and change for the ride. So they paid me around 90% of that fare. Why? Because the algorithm has figured out that I look at the pickup distance and the drop off distance and I will not accept the ride if it's not profitable. So, they made me an offer that I couldn't refuse, to make sure the customer was taken care of.
Uber doesn't show us what we are making for a trip. All I see is length of trip and minutes to pickup. I have zero clue what I'm being paid until the trip is done. It's crazy! I'm averaging ( depending on tips) about $17-$20 an hour. I've been doing this for a year now.
Finally! This has been going on for a long time. They are scam artists and I have plenty of screenshots. I am angry too and I will put this into my 2nd installment of my book. Stories From The Drivers Seat. I can speak on video. No problemo.
About 5am I canceled a reserved ride on lyft since it was surging. The ride was about $11. The same ride in the surge area came back shortly around $7.9ish. I am sure based on the addresses.
I'm being manipulated by uber in usa Pennsylvania they are charging a rider for 20$ but giving driver $5 for the ride. They are litterly taking 75% here in Pa. I am litterly converting my uber riders to personal private riders now. It's business but I am slowly converting them now.
Often Uber Eats offers $6 bonus every three deliveries completed.. so it seems that at least one request of every three is really low.. while you do get 2 more dollars per request when you complete a set of three only it no longer feels above and beyond .. one would need that bonus just to make what the usual
Agree 100%. I refuse to take that lowball offer. I’ve sacrificed the $6.00 intentionally because I refuse to take that $3.00 or $2.50 offer. I say “f*** you” to the phone screen and decline the request. I won’t play that stupid game.
The third one is always delayed and sends you as far away from where you want to. drive as possible... On night aaaccepting streaks I ended up 3 1/2 hours from home... Never again...put it on Black only and cherry pick
In the uber app, under the acceptance rate description, it mentions that because of many drivers have low acceptance rate that is the reason why it becomes unprofitable for other drivers or the next driver who's miles away from pick up point. Basically uber is saying that because some drivers are greedy others are not making enough money 😂
here is the trick of maximizing your profit of each trip, in another word de-converging their algorithm. you have to study your market and see the right point of inflection in terms of how many minutes the ride is far from you, never accept rides that are closer to you because that is where you loose money and they profit up to %60 of that specific ride. personally my threshold is 7 minutes, and that will keep their profit between 25%-30%. so imagine if all uber drivers pick rides in their market pick that are far by 7 minutes or so what will do to the algorithm.
Uber doesn't show me how much the rides pay upfront. I contacted them and they said they don't offer that in my area. I said well I would like to know how much it pays before I accept it or not. They didn't care.
@Therideshareguy is there anything I can do about them shaving time off of the rides since my pay is based off of time and distance? Will they adjust it or am I stuck just accepting whatever they it is.
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Travis did pay the drivers well 2014 - current =36k trips
I have been driving on and off since 2016. Right now my biggest issue with Uber or Lyft is manipulation. It’s just sickening and demoralizing. I understand it’s a hustle but I just want to drive and earn a fair split of the fare collected from passengers without playing games.
DON'T WE ALL!!
DO YOU HEAR US NOW UBER & LYFT?!!
These companies do NOT CARE about either the driver, nor the rider, so it's up to both driver and rider to care about each other. This creates success for both driver and rider. They should've never tried to fix what was not broken. It all started going bad when they went IPO.
New companies need to come out
@@thedemocratnetwork rideshare tech companies shouldn't exist from the get go. They just drop it's market and destroy industries, exploits workers
@@robinrienerth6521 they can replace you with immigrants that work 60-80 hours week without complaining . Why should they care ? 😭
If they weren't conning us, that would be a different story. They know exactly how they are deceiving us and do it wherever they can get away with it, blaming it on the mysterious algorithm doing it.. I call BS!
He forgot to mention Lyft's switch-a-roo. You finally accept a ride you like and then they change it to another ride without your acceptance.
When they do that, I immediately cancel the ride. I know what they're trying to do. Cancel those kinds of rides and save yourself the headache
I stopped driving for Lyft after a week. So awful.
I used to drive in the opposite direction just to revolt. They now offer you a choice if you want to "switch" to the new ride, often providing some B.S. justification like "Higher Rated Rider" or "Higher Paying Ride"
@@ChadDorothywhich we know isn’t always true. They slick.
EMPOWER........EMPOWER.......EMPOWER......EMPOWER 🙌🏾💪🏾🙌🏾💪🏾
All of us drivers regardless of its Uber or Lyft we need to come down together nation wide and stop driving for a few days (2-3 days every month) , stop driving during major events concerts sporting events or any event that draws high demand(revenue for Uber and Lyft) and if possible get media attention
tried that, didnt work.
@@SallyBlickenstaff I don't believe you, if 90% of drivers stopped driving for a weekend, something will be done.
We need to do a national stop for one full week who is with me ?
I’m in
Decline all rides with stops.
And how u r supposed decline once the riders is inside your car? U don’t know there’s going to be 2 stops or more until u starting the ride.
Excellent advice! New drivers, listen to this man. Acceptance rate does NOT matter and is NOT required to reamain active on the platform. Thanks Jay!
UberEats keeps sending the bogus warning "In order to raise your status, accept more orders." I used to have NO problem remaining at Platinum status ~ all i did was worked. But now the $/miles ratios are RIDICULOUSLY low. I keep declining orders. AND THEN they will cont to offer THE EXACT horrible order, sometimes 5 or 6 times; thatz something fairly new too. I feel this is even a manipulation to not only pay us as little as possible but to also keep our status low so we earn less perk$.
Plz share a response. Thank u💪
Another one is choosing Quest. Once you pick a Quest you give Uber the power to control and manipulate you. Nowadays I don’t bother picking Quests since they have been essentially reduced to zero. Choosing a Quest is telling the algorithm to abuse you by giving you 3.75 rides since it knows you need a certain numbers of rides to complete the Quest.
I got an ev so I get 4.75
@@Okcdriverwatch their video that shows that EV drivers actually get .80 more instead of $1.00 more per ride.
@@Okcdriver 😂 allegedly 😂
Sounds like some Zelda type bull💩
I'll pick a quest, but I still don't hafta take the crap stuff. If I hit the bonus, I hit it. If not, oh well. They aren't gonna get me with that!
As soon as you get a ride turn off the ride requests until you drop the person off and then you won't have the offers hitting your screen. Then when you drop them off turn the ride requests back on. I've found it to be a less stressful way to deal with being bombarded with offers while I'm driving and usually having a conversation with the customer. So much safer that way.and I can actually see what I'm accepting instead of just blindly accepting sometimes.
I always always do that.
Uber doesent like that!i do that last 2 years seems like uber doesent offer any better rides when turn off the request option.They are crazy.haha
This also helps make surge because you're off when you're driving a passenger. This is awesome and I've been doing it for many years no problems
@ladystormhealing its true if many drivers do the same than uber or algorithm doesent have many choices.but unfortunately many many new naive drivers do accept as couldn't see the navigation and after accepting they dont want to cancel the ride as they dont want loose their bonuses status which i never bothered! So a win gor uber at the moment till newbies understand or not that deliberate.....
I always call the passenger before arriving to let them know they can leave early as soon as I arrive. Most say they will leave early….therefore, very minimal wait time. I hate having to be online 40 minutes before a scheduled ride. Really is a waste of time to blow 30 minutes before a 10 minute ride to pickup location.
Blew a gasket a month and a half ago. Went back to a W-2, 9 to 5, and getting an independent contractor remote customer service job
You're not burning up gas and killing your car. After the pandemic, Uber went downhill. Also, from you last video, they're stealing tips
Another class action is coming....
I've learned that once I'm on a ride, I have to click "no new requests" so basically going offline. otherwise uber and lyft will sneak in a very lowball offer. Now that does mean I have wait time in-between each ride but I feel better that I've stopped them manipulating me in that way.
heartless companies!
Yuppp! Try to. Switch to black they log you out and require the. Full verification bullshit
You forgot how Uber hustles and removes you from a profitable area with short pick up distances and send you to unprofitable areas where every pick up is at least 15 minutes or more than 5 miles. They do it by starving you with small $4.59 fares and then showing you a $25 fare that will still take about an hour to complete to nowhere. Once there and an hour away from city center, you will be shuttling riders 15 to 20 minutes away and essentially losing money. In the past Uber used to pay for doing this manipulative technique by paying for completing 3 consecutive rides with the last one taking you to no man’s land. Now the algorithm just trick you and dump you in an area where you’re forced to offer losing rides.
In short, select the high paying rides to maximize your hourly rate. Time is money.
But they gonna start sending you only cheapest one with bad rating riders trips requests only all day. 😂😂
If only it were that easy! You can take a ride that seems high paying and still be screwed. I took a ride that paid $33.71 for 22mi or so... guy paid 117.98 for the trip. For me, that was about $1.53/mi... good right? $33.71 for 40ish min of work, but overall that means Uber kept 72% while I got a measly 28% when I'm doing all the work and their system just pairs passengers with drivers. Not to mention, when I don't have any riders set up in my queue and the trip thing pops up... I'll select the ones I want, but then not get any of those, another ride will come direct to my phone and it'll be away from the surge area even though I choose rides that had surges attached. So... the ability to pick high paying rides isn't really there. I do cherry pick, I do take only rides that are above $1.00/mi and if I do a lot of driving... I generally make about $2k/wk. I prefer to stay busy and moving, knowing that I might have a small fish now, but I could be moving to an area where a whale is waiting that's also a tipper!
@@iwontbebeat7111 Simply turn off the phone, clear cache and data from the app. Log out then log in. See what happens.
@@EndingBigotry 2k/week is good money. In my market that is impossible to achieve unless you do 12 hrs/day/7 days/week.
@@ssunkite1 generally if I do things of 12s... I'll make 2300-2700 based on bonuses and tips. 2k or there abouts is from maybe 45-60hrs of driving. It's random, as we all know and is based on a large number of variables. I'm in a large city, large metro, with a lot of impoverished people and a lot of well off people enjoying their money. It's a good mix, honestly.
I'd argue that Lyft having Auto-Accept is manipulation, and I'm so glad they finally gave me the option to disable it, so I don't end up driving 70+ miles out of nowhere.
only problem is there are still rides that could be sent to another driver if they are closer than you, but you won't receive anything for your effort.
Forgot to mention the surge that every time I go there, surge is gone
20k + rides here. I sold my car last week. Such a thankless job.
Dont do the chart thing... it's always too hard to follow where youre going with it. I always turn off my app on each ride, because of your second point. I'd rather concentrate on my current ride and worry about the next one when I'm finished with the current one.
Jay, I have a pet peeve that has been going on with passengers. I often get people with walkers to and from doctor appointments. This I do not mind because the walkers fold up easily. BUT…I had 2 pick ups last week with people who were wheelchair bound. The first one, the woman had her daughter with her so she took care of getting her mother and the chair in my suv. The second was a man on his own. I refused to pick him up and canceled the ride saying “item’s would not fit”. We are not medical transport. This may not be Ubers fault but these doctors offices using Uber for wheelchair transport is wrong. Thoughts???
And if you get hurt on the job trying to physically load a passenger into your car, even knowing that the medical offices do not tip, you have no recourse for medical leave or Worker's Comp! But if you cancel this kind of ride, your cancellation rate is affected and you are PENALIZED! Foul Uber/Lyft/medical offices!!
@@robinrienerth6521 when I canceled it didn't affect my rate because I put in that their items wouldn't wouldn't fit it's also not our responsibility to transport patients and transfer them into our vehicle
Yeah, and if those rides are third party booked, by the doctor/clinic/hospital/etc. I guarantee you the doctor/clinic/hospital/etc. is billing the patient's insurance the max allowed.
In Arizona the transportation Company that had the medical transport contract with the state actually uses Uber to do the transport for most rides. What a joy to take methadone clinic and dialysis rides. One lady gamed the system to pick up her prescription at Walmart and bought a cart full of groceries that needed to be loaded and u loaded all for $4.
They bill the insurance $120 and then order Uber for $12. You get $4 for doing all the work.
Jay.. Uber has auto-accept. Sometimes Uber randomly turns it on, then I have to turn it off.
Had that mess off since the beginning , and then soon as lyft made that Option available I turned that mess off too😊
I Turn My Off
Not in every market. I don't have auto accept in Chicago. I wouldn't use it anyways.
Lyft is the worst
When Uber switches you to that reserved ride and you had to wait for 30 minutes you should have turned on Lyft and taken a ride or two then come back to the reserved ride.
It’s not possible because Uber makes u be online 40 minutes before u start the reserve ride. It’s a bs.
Now , FUBER Los Angeles CA, only sends me $3 - $4 trips only all day with bad rating riders trip requests. After the expenses i make $6.50 an hour. 😂 Its Time to drive with local taxi cabs 😂
Not enough rides in South Florida to be selective and unfortunately the rides they offer us are garbage!
I do food delivery for uber eats and uber is taking 50 60 up to 70 % base fare and making me go 3.5 4 5 miles and I'm noticing there algorithm is taking base fare as from tips meaning if I get a nice tip the base fare will be 30% to me and 70% to them
Lyft just screwed me out of a reservation ride by giving the ride to someone else after I drove 17 miles and 25 minutes to pick up Allan and would not allow me to "Arrive," saying that I was too far away! And now Lyft has deleted the entire reservation from my app! They just keep getting worse, not better. If you have stock in Lyft, sell it fast!
They are a horribly run company. Don't get me started on their typical passengers either.
i try my best not to get screwed by these greed balls
Jay I agree 100% with what you said but in addition to making more money it's about being efficient too. With $5 a gallon gas price's some days where I make less money I actually nett more by taking rides that make more sense. Some small rides for $4 are ok if your driving a half mile away to drive someone 1 mile as opposed to driving 5 miles to drive somewhere 3 miles.
The trouble is, many drivers out there are not intelligent enough to spot the low paying stuff and not accept it. They will simply accept it when they see it on their screen. We should work together and not ACCEPT THE LOW $$ offers they send us!! Please drivers dont work for peanuts or you will bring us all down, making us desperate and unber lift and bolt will love it.
I use an app called maxymo to auto reject trips that don't meet my standards. I make comparable money this way, but I put way less miles on my car.
Some of those people need rides some drivers regardless if the person is at there door they won't do a 5 $ trip but someone needs to get to work some people.need to get home from doctor office I'm pissed too but this kind of sounds greedy do you care about your customers at all there hands are in your lives.
Something else that needs to be added. Twice, Lyft has done a bait and switch on me. I getna notification for a ride with a high dollar figure. After accepting it. That same ride(s) price drops. Initially it's subtle to the eyes. But it has happened. Take screen shots of your rides
This has happened to me on a lux ride with lyft.... changed 43.99 upfront price on a 2 mile ride during an event, to 19.99 +4 bonus due to longer than estimated (according to them). The ride was no different than the other rides of similar length. Thats what made me remember the original fare.
I complained, they played stupid.
Uber has an "auto-accept" option in my market (Tampa Bay). I've never turned it on, but it's there. For awhile we had the same problem with getting scheduled rides as a normal ping. There was nothing to tell you it was a scheduled ride until you arrived and that was usually 15-30+ minutes too early. They substantially fixed these issues now. The ping is clearly marked "scheduled ride" (so at least you know) and after you accept it, the little icon is different so you can tell, and you can immediately look at the trip details and the exact scheduled pick up time.
This is the messed up thing about it. If uber can give that information to drivers in my market, why can't they give to drivers in Jay's market?
it's not in my market either - Maryland.
In Chicago they lock you out of further reservations if you cancel them, even though they got you to accept like a normal ride using their dishonest tactics.
Uber and Lyft are masters at disrespecting both driver and riders time. Facts
I drive both at Disney in Orlando; I set a filter each to accept rides in a 5 mile circle on Disney property. Gives you the chance to get more rides which means better tips than just one tip on a long ride. Also keeps your driving area to a minimum so saves miles and gas. Take advantage of gas discounts. I’m a platinum driver and average .30 cents off per gallon which gives me a free tank of gas every 5th fill up. I average $30 an hour and drive 2/3 hours driving 50 miles a nite. Remember to also think outside the box…
What burns my ass is the trip notifications being shown in time as opposed to distance, the way Lyft does. A 15-minute trip in Toronto can mean 1 km in distance in rush hour traffic. a 45-minute trip can mean anything as well. But what's really ire-inflicting is the 1 + hour trips that can take you out of the city and preclude you from getting trips in that region. Decline a trip and you still get penalized from even getting to see trip notification information AT ALL. As a diamond driver, this is unconscionable to me and offends me no end. In Toronto, not only are you penalized for a high cancelation rate, but they get you on a low acceptance rate as well.
Im starting to wondif the algorithm punishes you for being more selective by not giving you more rides.
I seemed to have had a terrible dry spell whenever I choose not to accept rides in attempts to discriminate as you said.
Thos is actually the best video you ever produced in my opinion.
They do tell you if it was a reservation trip. It's on the bottom of the accept button.
I definitely have been manipulated early today. Three high paying rides they gave to another driver.
its no such as high paying rides at all you kid youself
@airgap25 when you see $30 and not far, it is high compared to what they usually give out.
Lyft is notorious for this practice
@@frankelse745 this was Uber.
I'm sorry Jay but Lyft's auto-accept is the bane of rideshare driving. I'd be willing to bet that 99 times out of 100 the rides you auto-accepted are trash $2 - $4 rides you woulda/shoulda/coulda opted out of to begin with. By auto accepting you're now in the position of either taking that crap or cancelling and watching your cancellation rate climb to potential platform expelling amounts.
🎯 💯
Correction here. With Lyft, you can decline an auto accept any time you stop your vehicle, at a light, pull over, or when you drop off the current customer before you end the ride, and it is not a cancelation.
@@chiron3489Not any more. Lyft removed the button "decline"😁.
@@chiron3489Not any longer.
It boils down to this in Texas RGV market.... Minimum wage plus tips and 95% of people don't tip. No matter how clean and fresh my car and I are and how nice and accommodating I am only few people tip. FYI minimum wage is $7.25 in Texas
One thing that I don't like is the difference between your app and my app. Uber doesn't auto-accept? A tiny notification? Not in my app. I believe that you don't have that. I do.
1000% correct. Lots of rides i do not take because of their manipulating system. SUCKS!! THEY BECAUSE THEIF NOW.
In Boston last winter I would get reserved rides for the next day. But I would have to look after 11 pm and these rides are always around 4 am to 6 am. Also ALWAYS to Logan Airport of course. Now nothing just what Jay said you don't know until you excepted the ride. I definitely make sure I let my passengers know that I just received the ride. Make them aware that RESERVATIONS mean nothing. I've also received many private clients this way and always a great tip!
The surge in the philly mkt is a joke anymore when your in a $5 surge zone and a 5 mile ride pops up for $5 all in why even drive in a surge zone?
It took me about a year to figure out the system when I started Uber about 4 years ago. Now I’m going through it all again. I don’t like A.I
😂 it's not AI. It's Pre set trip parameter filter by management. They can set what kind of trips only come thru to your app by those trip filter.
How do we deal with the devil? It’s like if we become selective, every other driver thinking the same thing? So how many good offer is there going around? Plus the devil will punished the driver by ghost pausing, I think the only way to show them is to quit!
The same is happening to my Uber account. They are sending me trash calls and taking money away thru the surges.
What are your thoughts on declining a ride then your rating goes down faster than you can bring it back up.
6:43 I don’t agree I think uber got it right, hate lyft’s “adding new rider to que”
Jay, regarding reserve rides, I don’t know about your market but when I get a notification for a reservation ride,it always says reservation. And the pick up times have always been within the arrival time.
I get them also in Phoenix. I arrive and then get notified I have to wait for the reservation.
In my city they show “reservation “ in the bottom left corner when reserved ride comes through during a trip. A lot of these things are based on area. What is going on in one city is different in others as far as functions go.
Regarding Uber No Auto Acceptance... Assisting with Luggage is a major culprit!
I only accept extremely high paying airport reservation orders, I've taken ones that were normally $30 for the distance and ended up with a reservation order for $80, it was a good deal to wait 30 minutes and get an extra $50. and cuz gave 20 tips BTW. 😁
Sound like Russian roulette to see if you're going to get tipped or bad ratings or a false complaint
have two phones, Uber and Lyft. Reserve and airport reserves are the worst type. You lose money on reserve 1 hr prior and waiting (airport late flight are always delay).
Does anyone have an idea how those algorithms work? How come I pick up the call and as soon as I pick up suddenly I receive a message” something went wrong”. This happens to me a lot and then I check my acceptance rate and it goes down like rain. Surreal! This is disgusting 😏
It almost always great in the beginning but not for those who don't get in on the beginning. I got in 2018. I did experience the multiplier before they changed it. Started getting ripped off since late 2018. Could have made so much more back in 2016. But it wasn't my timeline to start. I can speak to how to make a lot of money. There are things I know that I haven't heard yet about how to make a lot of money especially in Nashville.
That's exactly what I've learned to do. I don't even do those bonuses anymore, they're just a trick for you to pick up those micro rides. When you add a regular day up, of your selective rides, compared to picking up micro rides to get that 100 bonus, for picking up 60 rides, you'll still be way short of your regular selective ride day. Beware of those bonuses, they're just a waste of gas and no money.
In North Carolina uber only shows pickup location no drop off no rate. Which is a violation of FMCSA law.
My Uber app does have auto accept option I use it all the time just like Lyfts option
What I don't understand is why after 30 rides as a driver I don't get to see upfront fares before I accept
Excellent vid sir and thanks
Mr. Cradeur, your wisdom is Stupendously Admirable. Bravo ❤
I'm in Los Angeles, Uber does have an auto accept feature which I don't use because I wanna know what i accept. So I stop accepting request as soon as I accept one, then turn it on as soon as I'm done. But what are your thoughts on prop 22? Every two weeks I get anywhere between 150 and 300 dollars because I was underpaid apparently.
I've often seen the notification thing as more of a benefit to riders, so that they'll at least have one person who could take their ride. Yeah, it sucks as a driver, since you never look at your phone for those until they are gone. But from the rider side, it's great for them since there'll be at least one driver who'll likely see their request. Some of these other things I never noticed, thanks for pointing them out.
I would not have waited 25mins for the scheduled ride. In my market, it tells me when the rider needs to be picked up, so if its a good ride I can hop on Lyft to do a short ride and then head for the scheduled ride. You can also call the pax and ask them if they're ready, explain that waiting 25mins is a waste of time/money. 99% of the time, the rider is ready. Only 1x a rider wasn't ready but he tipped me $15 because I called and gave him the option of coming right away or waiting
Some markets are super slow and some drivers accept every ride because they may only get one off an hour and it may pay $4.59. In my market, the rides are unlimited. In 6 hours, I know I deny Over 60 bad offers and do 20.
Here is something else happening while I wait on a rides… when I cancel a ride.. park somewhere “safe” and wait wait wait…🙄then I turn to a social media and what I notice they don’t send me anything.. it’s not like it was before.. before I could put my phone on low battery and surf the internet and still get rides, but now they say they can’t see my location… that’s a bunch of BS when they already know where I am at my phone is on.. and I have my location set to precise and sharing with them.
Uber/Lyft must be getting closer to driverless vehicles 🚗 must be part of the reason why they don’t care about drivers pay.
Great points. Ur the best man. Thanks 👍
I have a couple of manipulations. One most people should know already is that if you take a small fair (for what ever reasons you have) the AI will give only small fairs until there isn't anyone around to take the good stuff.
And a new one with Uber Eats. A store owner told me about a new Uber policy to combat people sitting around where if you wait to long at a place for an order the system registers the driver as a bad match for the store and basically bans them from the store. This will reduce your pick up locations without notice. So if you're waiting to long, to avoid being banned you jave to cancel the order. That will still mess with your cancellation rating. It's a no win situation.
Last night, I did Uber and Uber to keep busy eats as Tuesday is slow I git 3 orders in a row for eats drove 20 odd kms to find all 3 had closed?????.
Thanks that is so true.
Your a good person.
Hi Jay I agree with you and I found it hard to win against these companies I found a way to make them loose money after I complet a trip but that can only work one or two times a day, by the way things got worse for the drivers after Uber and Lyft went public,i try to limit how many trips i accept and i try to work when I'm short on cash and I also drive when there's a big event i avoid accepting long trips with my strategy i make at least $ 2.00 a mile.
So, what is this “way” you are talking about that can only work one or two times a day?
Yes, tell us! What's in the BOX!
In NC they state it on the screen way below that its a reservation. Reservations in NC usually always pay higher on Uber.
Lyft reservations here suck soo bad, I will never do those.
To combat distractions I hit the big red 'stop' button when I am on a ride so that I am not being rushed/pushed to accept something uber/lyft throws at you.
I'll never accept another Lyft reservation ride!
Uber's reservation rides work a lot better than Lyft's and always have. Lyft will never be as good as Uber. And you can NEVER speak to a real support person in the Lyft app. Only supposed to message them, and then, they don't address the issue and automatically close the support ticket issue, prior to their notice of closing the ticket in an hour, especially if they don't know how to answer your questions or simply just don't want to answer your questions.
Good video to learn how to drive for Uber Eats, Doordash and other food delivery in South Africa , for new drivers to learn, drive and earn very good money. Thank you. Good luck with your youtube channel Brother. God bless you.❤️✌️👍💕🙏🙂😁
Thanks for watching!
And number 4, stop driving for them like I did.
Jay, why don't you stop the Uber app between passengers? It just sounds like you're unnecessarily compromising your own safety here. As you are doing both apps, you shouldn't be waiting too long between rides. And there's no possible way I would wait almost half an hour for a reservation. What???
I keep getting riders saying they'll tip me but they never do. Riders, don't tell the driver you'll rip because I know you won't. I'm tired of being taken advantage of
Text the forgot item...when they respond...text I know. You did not forget to tip me, because you're a great person and you said you'd tip me $20, but Lyft/Uber has been caught stealing our tips repeatedly....would you send me a screenshot of you receipt showing the tip so I can force them to pay me what you paid me...
I'd really appreciate it because $5 here and $20 here they steal in tips adds up to thousands over the year...
I have a 54% and 53% acceptance rate with Uber and Lyft respectively. Which I know they consider to be very low. Honestly, I'm surprised it's that high. I feel like I turn down 2 or 3 rides for every one that I accept. They have ZERO CONCERN for drivers making money. So, I'm pretty picky about the rides I accept. I believe that their algorithm actually rewards picky drivers, even though they strongly encourage drivers to accept every ride they are offered. And here's the thing... They are about customer satisfaction, even though they don't give a crap about drivers. So, if there is a customer that needs a ride and they know you are a picky driver, they will pay you whatever they think it's going to take to get you to accept that ride and take care of that customer. Today I got an offer for $18 that I accepted. In talking to the customer I found out he only paid $20 and change for the ride. So they paid me around 90% of that fare. Why? Because the algorithm has figured out that I look at the pickup distance and the drop off distance and I will not accept the ride if it's not profitable. So, they made me an offer that I couldn't refuse, to make sure the customer was taken care of.
Uber doesn't show us what we are making for a trip. All I see is length of trip and minutes to pickup. I have zero clue what I'm being paid until the trip is done. It's crazy! I'm averaging ( depending on tips) about $17-$20 an hour. I've been doing this for a year now.
What you are saying used to be true. It is much worse now as there are very few acceptable rides in my area.
When Uber watches this video. They go😂😂😂😂
Finally! This has been going on for a long time. They are scam artists and I have plenty of screenshots. I am angry too and I will put this into my 2nd installment of my book. Stories From The Drivers Seat. I can speak on video. No problemo.
About 5am I canceled a reserved ride on lyft since it was surging. The ride was about $11. The same ride in the surge area came back shortly around $7.9ish. I am sure based on the addresses.
Lyft seems to love shaving fares if you have a sticky or are on a challenge. That's a pretty big haircut on that one.
i think Jay should be the one to interview CEO’s
I'm being manipulated by uber in usa Pennsylvania they are charging a rider for 20$ but giving driver $5 for the ride. They are litterly taking 75% here in Pa. I am litterly converting my uber riders to personal private riders now. It's business but I am slowly converting them now.
Hey Jay .....should we be concerned about the acceptance rate if we are to be more selective about rides?
Often Uber Eats offers $6 bonus every three deliveries completed.. so it seems that at least one request of every three is really low.. while you do get 2 more dollars per request when you complete a set of three only it no longer feels above and beyond .. one would need that bonus just to make what the usual
Agree 100%. I refuse to take that lowball offer. I’ve sacrificed the $6.00 intentionally because I refuse to take that $3.00 or $2.50 offer. I say “f*** you” to the phone screen and decline the request. I won’t play that stupid game.
The third one is always delayed and sends you as far away from where you want to. drive as possible...
On night aaaccepting streaks I ended up 3 1/2 hours from home...
Never again...put it on Black only and cherry pick
Now I am mega selective!! Need file class action for not paying NOTHING FOR 0 Return drive of 150 miles!!!
In the uber app, under the acceptance rate description, it mentions that because of many drivers have low acceptance rate that is the reason why it becomes unprofitable for other drivers or the next driver who's miles away from pick up point. Basically uber is saying that because some drivers are greedy others are not making enough money 😂
I am 100% guarantee it is people trying to manipulate you still need your money in the easy way. Use the passenger.
here is the trick of maximizing your profit of each trip, in another word de-converging their algorithm. you have to study your market and see the right point of inflection in terms of how many minutes the ride is far from you, never accept rides that are closer to you because that is where you loose money and they profit up to %60 of that specific ride. personally my threshold is 7 minutes, and that will keep their profit between 25%-30%. so imagine if all uber drivers pick rides in their market pick that are far by 7 minutes or so what will do to the algorithm.
Select & Accept Even if you don't have many rides
Uber doesn't show me how much the rides pay upfront. I contacted them and they said they don't offer that in my area. I said well I would like to know how much it pays before I accept it or not. They didn't care.
Unfortunately, upfront fares are not available in all areas. I know this is frustrating.
@Therideshareguy is there anything I can do about them shaving time off of the rides since my pay is based off of time and distance? Will they adjust it or am I stuck just accepting whatever they it is.
Don’t pay attention to acceptance rates
I ONCE ACCEPTED A RIDE 4.65 AND ENDED UP DRIVING 23 MILES ON WAY
Guys would you drive more with Uber or Lyft for XL rides? I need recommendations
I'm headed to 3,000 fares if and when uber get sued for this. They will owe me a large piece of that cake. Mean while I will be getting my chips up.
There have been times I was called to a person and they are in another uber again you have to cancel and get that negative on your
IDK man this sounds criminal and we need change. You guys should be advocating for legal change
You're in the Sacramento area? I'm about to start in this area soon. I could use some advice with rideshares around here!
If an uber driver doesn't except a rider it then goes to the next, then to the next, then to a taxi 😅