California bill looks to protect "right to disconnect" after work hours are over
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- čas přidán 1. 04. 2024
- Workers in California who are sick of work calls and emails after hours might be getting some back-up from the state legislature. A new bill would give workers the right to ignore calls and messages from their bosses until they're back on the clock. It would be the first law of its kind in the U.S., though France already has a similar law on the books and Australia will implement one later this year. California assemblymember Matt Haney proposed the legislation and joined CBS News to talk about it.
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It's called boundaries.
"exceptions for emergencies" In the eyes of a boss, everything is an emergency.
No one should be calling after work. Salaried employees aren’t paid anything extra for it and it negatively impacts work-life balance.
Salaried employees are paid more
When you account for hours worked. An hourly worker makes more.@@PaulFromCali
@@PaulFromCali overall income may be higher, but when calculated to the money made per hours worked, salaried workers who don't get overtime pay and are expected to work over 40 hrs/wk can end up making less per hour than those in similar fields and positions who are paid hourly and/or receive overtime pay.
Salaried workers don't have hard labor jobs either.
@@PhilMoskowitz weird way to say you’re lacking strength & can’t do hard labor.
A $100 fine is not a motivator to the employers.
Use your FIVE-FINGER DISCOUNT while at work!
Yeah, some cheap stick pen.
It's not supposed to be a motivator for them. She also said "at least", which means it can be higher. lol
It needs to be $750,000. Per Employee, Per Violation.
$100 that’s like a slap on the wrist
Just because I have a cell phone doesn't mean I'm on-call 24/7/365.
It should be a $10,000 fine to bosses! So they don’t forget 😂
Instead of a fine, it should be a required compensation to the worker.
No....
@@edthelazyboy And HELL NO! Why are you people acting so entitled???
If the boss pays the fine, 100% of that money belongs to the worker being violated.
The thing is that the employer can still fire someone for not responding. It’s an at will state. They don’t have to give a reason for firing.
@@baldeagle4710 probably better off working for someone else anyways
I had a boss who felt as though you should answer every text and email, regardless if you were working or trying to enjoy a day off. Even went as far as buying me an iPhone, so that I could "participate" in the group chat for managers.
I had an android, but I wouldn't respond when I was off and sometimes the msgs from iPhone would come in separately and so she took it upon herself to buy my an iPhone to receive all her msgs and emails without any hiccups...her words!
Happy to say, I left the company after two years and started my own business. I don't bother my team members after work and I don't expect them to respond right away especially because they have a life outside of the few hours they spend working. I just try to be a good, respectful and appreciative business owner.
So yer tellin' me... employers don't own their employees? What a novel idea. Who is going to break it to the bosses?
“Thanks” to cellphones…my bosses expected me to be on call 24/7 for the last 20 years of my career. It totally burned me out and was a big factor is why I decided to retire early.
It's ridiculous that this even needs to be a law. I simply mute Teams and all emails as soon as 5pm hit
From the first job i ever had, i have been ignoring phone calls and text messages after clocking out. As everyone else says, there is no extra pay for it.
Your time is YOUR time, bottom line.
How bad have things gotten In CA? Most of my pals work 16 hours a day but only get paid for 8 due to availability creep.
This is how it’s ALWAYS been in the film and tv industry except we don’t get to work from home!
Just don't answer your phone...works for me.
Yup exactly. I've told people when I leave work, I don't look at my email. We used to have to carry pagers. After hours, I would turn it off.
There was a time when calls from work weren't a problem. Employers didn't call unless they had to and employees knew when they picked it up that it was something genuinely needed. That was before employers decided workers didn't deserve the basic human respect of not calling them ALL THE DAMN TIME.
Except they can fire you without reason so who will enforce this law?
Exactly. There is nothing stopping the employer from firing you if you don’t respond after hours
This. I have known people to label is as job abandonment because they didn't answer.
Very true . This happens a lot . These ppl making laws are getting dumber. They have no idea of how corporates work
It's sad that companies don't just do the right thing and instead need the government to step in and enact hard boundaries.
That’s capitalism baby
What your mind set should be: "It's sad the government thinks they can dictate a companies relationship with the employee". If you don't like them Quit! This will make companies fire more people. You are not in charge no matter how you think you are. No one is truly hearing your voice. Maybe learn to stop expecting a certain treatment and suck it up like the rest of us and work.
@@user-yk5ux3gp7d Wrong. Corporations are too powerful and need to be regulated, period.
I love capitalism as much as the next person, but I definitely won't make it my religion like you.
RIP salary employees 😂
Instead of a fine, it should be compensated work
Cue the exemption for 'bread franchises'
France passed a similar law couple of years ago, it's necessary.
It’s only necessary because people fail to set boundaries with their employer.
@@MissMeggypooit's kind of hard to "set boundaries" with the person who can end your income and make you homeless.
Breaking: California does something right for once
I tell my staff that between 5pm and 9am to not even bother trying. That’s my time to do whatever i want, not my employer’s. Pay to play, baby!!
Yes, if the fine was for employers to pay the employee 100$ after hours, that would be great.
It’s mentally healthy to disconnect from electronic devices and enjoy a peaceful moment without the chaos that’s attached to these devices
“…and know that you’re protected…”. Yeah, like those “Whistle Blower” protections that work so well!
Impossible. I swear politicians live in a world of their own.
They can pass the law but it will reflect on your years end review
Meanwhile in Texas water rights are being denied to workers yes that includes manual laborers like construction workers
You just got switched to salary & hours way longer
Will employees report on employer when that happens? Kids needing authorities to stop abusive parents.
By the way, many states have laws that require a minimum salary for people that are on call 24 seven. In Oregon it’s 68K per year.
As a salaried employee I have never worked over 40 hours. I would say I average 25 hours a week of actual work. I make sure to get my work done in the allotted time since I do not get paid OT. Those who work "off the clock" are either on-call and should be compensated for it, workaholics, or have bad time management. There is no other reason.
This is a large issue. I receive so many emails and text messages after work. I even get messages between midnight and 6am. Tech makes it so easy to reach out and always be connected/accessible. If I don’t respond I get text messages asking if I saw the email. I disconnect and put my phone on do not disturb after 6pm.
The fine should be for both companies and bosses not just bosses.
If someone is off the clock, then they're off the clock. Want me to work extra, then pay up.
Employers will be sneaky about this, I bet its going to be stated in small fine print in a contract that you must answer at all times. Also, what constitutes as an "emergency" is going to be highly subjective.
Just work hourly instead of salary.
Isn’t the point of salary to keep you on call all the time?
All of this to make employers change one line in the employment contract.
Good.
i guess customers that want to cancel their service for next day after hours night before gonna start getting charged $200 late cancellation. $100 to company and $100 to greedy government
It’s a nice idea, but I personally don’t need a law like this. Just don’t answer the phone when you are at home. Your boss will probably leave a message, so if you want to know why they are calling just check your voicemail. You have to learn to put the work phone down once you get home. Only check messages and then decide if you want to call back or not.
A step in the right direction❤
Just leave your laptops at work where they belong.
Do we really need legislation for this?
We been called to cover somebody callouts. Or to come 3 hrs earlier coz the store is buisy. We have life too and we dont get paid much. We work for our plans in life but most of the times it affects you as person it becomes a stress.
how much will the employee or customer get fined for calling or texting after hours?
We been had ignoring those phone calls.
I love this idea!
Personal life and work should be separate
Employees in Germany: "What a savage country to live at"
Bunch of gray areas. We are salaried and no limit on number of hours you can be asked to work. So whats this goibg to do lol
It's sad that California is noteworthy as being the first state to do this in the USA, especially considering other countries have had such protections for years now.
Yeah!!!!
4 DAY WORKWEEK NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love this bill. NY needs to pass this type of law.
Anyone that works in IT knows very well its common to be on call to handle technical issues. I wonder how this will effect the role.
I'm in IT at a university in CA and I don't look at my mail when I leave the office. Nor do I look at it on the weekends. If I'm not getting paid OT, you won't be hearing from me until Monday, after a holiday, or when I come back from vacation.
Oh wow
So system administrators, network administrators, doctors and the like will no longer be on call 24/7? 8 hours a day max? Honestly, this only makes sense for hourly employees, not salaried employees with much better pay and higher expectations. When you pay someone $200k a year availability is part of the deal. Additionally, salaried employees have no set hours and overtime doesn't apply. Like to see how they resolve that.
I don't get why this even requires legislation. The problem is management and people grow accustomed to individuals answering their emails and answering their phones after hours and then begin to expect it. I've told people multiple times when I leave work, I don't look at my phone, I don't look at my email. That also goes for the weekends. And I do I.T. support. On Mondays I've seen people who have emailed me on Saturday and Sunday, but those messages do not get answered until Monday. I don't know why they're even working on weekends anyway. They're not getting paid. I've been offered a work phone and I just flat out turn them down. I don't want to have to carry a work phone on the chance that it could break, get lost, and I just don't feel like answering it.
wait, I thought the indian wayfair ceo said 70 hours was mandatory before he laid people off....
oh so people will no longer be on their cell phones at restaurants and parties? hahaha yeah right
Railroad is on call 24 7
And I'm sure this won't result in retaliation or affect promotions 😂
I am salaried and make a well over six figures I gladly answer any day anytime. And that’s why they give me this salary
Yesss…I love it when government tells me what to do.
That’s a by good idea!
This guy goes on an on about time with your family. I hate to break it to him and many others, but many of us are child free so we go home to our partners and our time is valuable, too!
😂 Soon as my employer changed our sales team’s pay structure i kinda now lean progressive. Sad to really see companies greed. In sales you want to make more by working harder but new structures make sure they keep way more.
this would be great! My mom is French, so I know this rule all to well.I is nice to take the extra hours and more pay. however, you do have that sacristy of if I don't take it then my boss will view me differently.
life can't just all be about work. This is unfortunately something America doesn't really get.
ill answer i better be on the promote list
Too bad this law wont work after everyone is fired from the $20 min 💀💀
[Law has passed…] CEO to corp lawyers, “Find those loopholes, boys…I don’t want to have to pay $100 to someone who I own…er…I mean, who works for me…”. Lawyers: “But boss, we know the loopholes…we wrote the laws and paid the legislators to pass them…we’re set!” Boss: “Great! Now go home and get some rest, but keep those cell phones close by!”
I think doctors too.
Like no offense we need more doctors if this bill should pass. Nurses too. Dr r people too they need sleep and well have lives. The thing is if u have a bad recommendation and got fired because you only want to go to you kids graduation or birth. Imagine a Dr missing their kids birth. Lol imagine if the doctor was the one pregnant. It just popped out During a major surgery
These companies are going to go to AI and tell all Humans to kick rocks.
I WORK IN I.T. - We are expected to keep an eye on our emails, teams, texts for for any major issue that may need to help with... It's just part of the job unless we are on vacation. We are paid very well via Salary and year end bonus...
I truly hope you are not on-call 24/7.
That’s a staffing issue, and arguably a company culture problem if so. Plenty of places do not function this way
LOL
As a guy also in IT y'all gotta get paid for being on call AND answering a call. TBH there is no reasonable salary that justifies being a few feet away from a PC at any given time.
the California Economy is booming and employers are desperate for skilled labor
Employers need relief to fill the millions of "high skilled" vacancies plauging the state
Ever since inflation I work when I'm awake and I've basically become a shell of the human I once was. So being more like France sounds Nice (pun intended)
Good. Terrible bosses this is for you. 😊
Stupid law, not every company is loke this many company are very flexible and this lind of law makes it bad for those company who are good.
Hey I know you are looking for more hours, wait never mind. Not allowed to ask😂
You can offer those hours while on the clock instead of harassing someone and disrupting their personal life. People's lives do not revolve around their bosses.
@@maxwellgraves635
Not if somebody called in and that person is off.
Find a new job if you don’t want to work off hour. Work-life balance. Go to Europe.
Welcome Ai to the work force for replacing y’all cuz of this bill. Good job Governors office and other California office for getting rid of soo many jobs and businesses with the $20 minimum wage and now this
How can $20 NOT ALREADY BE the minimum wage in CA, when everything is FKING SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE than most other States? ya'll employers who's against this $20 min are just FILTHY ROBBERS! 😌
Only California needs to write a whole legislation about answering the phone.
Next proposed Bill: "The right to not answer the door to Jehovah's Witnesses"
Any employer contacting a non salary employee after hours is a Royal 🐒💩😂 just trying to get a little work out of you for free.. oh you don’t like that? Well then pass a law?
Looks like the graphic is wrong…it says “$100+” fine…I think it should be “$100k” fine…just sayin’…except for Musk and Bezos…”$100m” fine
Like cops do.
Like firefighters do.
Like soldiers do.
Like Drs and Nurses do.
Like media clods do.
Typical California nanny state B.S.
I’ll gladly be on call 24/7/365 for a remote job than ever commute ever again!!!!!!! Send me your remote jobs I’ll be on call gladly!!! You guys can be in my shoes and spend 4 hours a day on the freeway! You’ll be crying begging for remote work back.
Find a way to work for yourself.
I've done that and it takes everything. You put your whole soul and life into it to make it sustainable and after 2-3 years new businesses don't even make it and they still start over from scratch.
I'd rather work for someone else and not have the pressure of running everything on my own, and help adds up.
I'm happy as an employee, just need the cost of living to go down!
Cali is soft bunch of cupcakes
Does this state not have bigger issues to fix than this stupid BS?
This will destroy industry in California.
Do legislators just make up stuff for the purpose of introducing legislation. Gesh. Of course employees who are not essential have a right to disconnect when off the clock (not being paid). Just simply don’t look at your work phone or work email or answer work calls. Get back to whoever it was when you are back on the clock! This is crazy. I will say though- a lot of my staff are still teleworking and I am flexible with their work hours. I don’t really mind when they start or when they finish their work day, so long as they are getting their work completed. In exchange, my staff have very willingly answered my emails late into the evening, IF THEY ARE AVAILABLE AND IF THEY SO CHOOSE TO DO SO ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL. There’s no repercussion if I don’t get an answer until the next day when they are back on duty. I don’t “expect” staff to work 24/7, like I have been hired to do. Now, my essential staff, are required to report / respond if an emergency arises. But, they also get paid overtime for doing so.
California being California will eventually enact a bill to protect "right to connect" after work hours are over. Land of lawyers/legislators!
This law won’t affect me. Fines are too low. I will continue to call my employees after hours because it’s work I don’t have to pay for. The tactic that I and many others use is to save real work until after a shift is over. This saves considerable money. Typically the projects I assign as emergencis after work hours is about 2 or 3 hours.
Business people are being pushed to go towards automation because employees are costing too much. People before you applaud study economics.
you guys are very lucky now days in the old days if you did not put everything you had into your job you did not have a job and there was always someone standing by to take your job when you got fired for not giving it your all. I see mass layoffs on the way and I sure hope all you overworked and over paid people are ready for it. these 20 million plus unknown migrants are ready to step up and take over your jobs for half the pay with no benefits and they are very hard workers they will even work with no overtime pay and work the weekends no problem. wishing everyone the best.🙂
Also what you're claiming, is illegal, they cant hire people less then the minimum wage which is $16, & they can't make them work overtime without extra pay and benefits, they'd be in a lot of hot water. What planet are you from
The whininess of Gen Z is intolerable...this is why they don't get hired.
"whininess of Gen Z" Sounds like you're just upset that a generation finally understands the idea of boundaries and is willing to push back.
Older millennial, we got exploited early on and now we're sick and tired of it. Everyone benefits from disconnecting from work.
@@tech-bore8839 Spot on!
More socialist policies from California. They are living up to their reputation as a state that is not business friendly. Salary earners are usually not on the clock and are often expected to be reachable; especially managers. Wage earners only work within their hours, but can easily ignore calls or texts from work. As usual, Democrat politicians need to extend government intervention further into private businesses and personal lives. More government…less freedom. That’s what France, Canada, and Australia has as well.
I've had plenty of salaried jobs. My work schedule was Mon-Fri for 8 hours plus 1 hour for lunch. Don't look for me after hours or on weekends. No job is worth that aggravation. I'm not interested in being that guy found slumped at his desk dead by the custodian or co-workers the next morning because some manager can't go without some piddly thing until the next day or after the weekend. I've been working too long to have to put up with that nonsense.