Kratky Vs DWC Hydroponics Competition- Which One Is Better?
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- čas přidán 3. 03. 2023
- Which hydroponic method is better? I had to test for myself since I've tried both methods in the past. This year I plant on trying out more hydroponics suck I want to know what is the best way to make that happen
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you have to use a black bucket....light in solution will cause algal growth
I'm starting more kratky plants 🤓 I've been running DWC and ready for a break, thanks for sharing!
Need to use the same buckets black preferably the white will light leak creating algae.
I love the approach. I have been trying to get people pumped for the growing season.. The kids are having a blast! No time to ruminate on bad thoughts and stress when youre too busy babying plants and oearning new stuff daily. The channel name is perfect!!
LOVE your channel, your enthusiasm is contagious and it's nice you are easy on the eyes!
With Kratky it's important to have air over the water so the plants can grow air roots too. And then it might yield less, but less fuss too!
actually both need air space even the DWC its not the bubbles in the water that assist its the water movement at surface you can do the same thing with a tiny cpu fan from a computer blowing air over the water surface via a duct in both systems. It's the fluid motion NOT the bubbles that help, the surface area of the bubbles and the time in contact with water is not going to give a measurable exchange what most. it is the agitation of the surface so in affect a small fane blowing ocer the surface OR and very small water pump moving the water around will do the same as a bubbler. but most importantly the airs space at top is the most critical for roots to access o2 for absorption
Perfect set to cook the plants
@@peterrolfe528 have you tried Kratky? If there's too much heat where you live, you should probably provide shade for the containers at the hottest part of the day. I had my containers on a windy roof. No need for shade here.
Hey there .I have some Arrowhead plants with dark stems .Could that be caused by ph levels being to high ? Thanks
I love Kratky. Just set it up correctly, then you can forget about it for some months. Then just pick fruits every day. The better you set it up, the more fruits. I usually dont want to waste my precious time on doing plant work, but I might trim the plants once a month just to get better results. I have gotten 4kg tomatoes, 1.4kg peppers, 2kg cucumbers in the first try. It takes minutes to set up and then with some decent lights u will be good. I hope to be able to get the value I spent on lights and tent back from harvesting fruits.
Light leaks+high water temperature= Pathogens. I'm no expert but I suggest using identical buckets with covers, dark ones and better cup placement to avoid light leakage. Change the solution every 10 days for better test results. Good job still..
that the first thing that i noticed was the blue vs white bucket uneven odds . i am only 6 mins into this so i do not know the outcome yet
What is end result s video📹, where is??
I fell into a long rabbit hole on this exact comparison. How did this version work out?
Part 2 is pinned in comments
It's great you set it up, but I was expecting to see results at the end. You've obviously got editing capabilities. I don't. Hell you even got a cordless mic.
what did you put in the net cup with the roots?
Would be better off to buy a bucket lid. Net cups come in different sizes. Also plants could care less about size of cup. The Roots and stems will work with that they got
If using cool or cold water use a paint mixer on drill to mix the water
What about the pool
Noodle and being non food grade? Do you think toxins leach into the plant?
It's not food grade idk if they sell something like this in black free etc but it does work so I guess it depends on the person I'd they wanna use that or net cups
Were you able to post an update?
For what are the orange balls? Do I really need them?
Which one was better
Love your energy!!! What are the results?!?!?!? I didn't find an update video!!!
It's in the description and also pinned in the comments
So sorry i missed it! Love the results! I appreciate your energy and personality. I wasn't bored watching you explain haha @TheAdhdGardener
Ma,y cucumber seedling in w the bubbler were turning yellow but kratky wasn't. So I put them in kratky. It's my first time growing hydroponics
Um, so which one was better???
What were the results of this experiment?
Add 3% Peroxide for oxygen and the "no air bubbler" problem solved.Super simple fix😉
Is there a need to refill the buckets so that the roots always get water?
No, as the water level drops, the root follows that level. By the time the water level is super low, the plant should be ready for harvest.
I loved your video. You are 100% right, work with what you have. Their nothing worry with that. I'll have to see the results. 😊
OMG! Your cat's name is the cutest thing ever!🥰🤣
I use pool noodles and wondered what the purpose of net cups are for, as I use a taller thicker noodle to hold everything in place; also, I noticed what looks like a kale plant that you have on the left side of the video with an irrigation system attached;
I’m very interested in what that is, and how you made it. I’m trying to figure out how to do a flow system too, as I’m newer to hydroponics I’m trying to learn all the equipment that goes along with it, as it can be very complicated; thanks ! ; )
net cups are for rich people.
Net cups and hydroton balls are for when you start off and don't know any better, then you switch to pool noodles when you start growing more plants and ain't got the time or money for all that extra crap.
I use dollar tree dish sponges and small river rocks surrounding the stem to keep them in place.@@callmekham8458
Great comparison! A good side effect of using the bubbler vs no bubbler is that it will lower the likelihood of mosquitoes getting into the water.
I’ve tried the Krakhead method it works well.
Here's another idea for you... 😁
I've been experimentering with different nutritional solutions. I've had basically no luck whatsoever with the store bought specifically meant for hydroponic growing medium but, last year I took a LARGISH fish tank, bought about 20 fish, type mostly "goldfish" that "poop" a lot. Rigged up a fish tank water pump that took water from the fish tank, up to the top growing rain gutter like strukturs that held the plants.
I didn't put the tube with the water from the fish tank near the bottom of the rain gutters but, about half way up the side of each gutter, since I didn't want the gutters/plants to ever be without water, if for whatever reason the pump would stop working, power go out etc. Connected the gutter with plants with a hose to the first top one and gravity made the water flow down through the gutter/plants below and so on until I reached the fish tank again and the water went back into the tank.
I also put a few "floating" small plants on the surface of the fish tank and the fish loved swimming through the long roots and ate all the "nutrients" from whatever was in the water that rotated through the system. I realized soon that I really didn't have to feed fish food that much to the fish in the tank but, still did since I figured that whatever they didn't eat, would go through the plants in the gutters and provide extra nutrients to them.
It worked better than I had ever dreamed of. Will be doing the same this year too, with an added system. I had NO filter in the fish tank to remove dirt/poop/impurities, as those somehow disappeared when having gone through the "filter" of the roots of the plants.
So which version won?
Results?
Omg ramen is adorable! 😍
So what was the results after 7 months??
Love your eyes. Thanks for posting. 😉
I want to get into hydroponics but only on a small scale. I don't have the space for much. And I don't have Tiktok but I swear sometimes we've watched the same Reels..
What were your results? p.s. I also use gardening as a form of therapy for a variety of mental health stuff, and I have not 1 but 2 calicos. One's name is Strawberry, the other is Shortcake. :)
The plants developed aphids n destroyed my plants 😑 but I started the experiment back up again. Tbh they both look good right now I'm still trying to decide which one would be worth it more. Aww Stawberry n Shortcake how adorbs!!! 😅I like naming my animals food names. Ramen is the Calico but Noodles is a gray tabby/Blue Russian mix
Is the heating up of the water in the bucket especially in summer an issue (root rot etc)? Any experience, what can I do to prevent?
It can be an issue in the summer time depending if the bucket is in direct sun during the day n painted black. Itll cook the roots. I let that water cool to room temperature b4 adding the plant. Also I put the hydro outside in a partly shaded spot
Just a thought. Have you tried a sgeet of cardboard like 2 inches in front of the bucket? Like shade the bucket itself? I have had experience with wood heater systems and radiant heat and if you have another layer or iron or cement sheet, a few inches gap, then another, you can go from steel starting to glow red to a nice heat. Each layer has a significant temperature drop. But trapped air will also hold the high temperature. If the air can escape, you don't end up with hot air pockets.
I use hydrogen peroxide in all water methods to keep bacteria at bay. I also use way more air so the bubbles popping on surface create a splashing effect. Also as roots grow into water I drop water level a bit so some of the root closer to plant base isn't in water.
How much hydrogen peroxide per gallon please? Are you using 3%? Hp?
If using 35%, the recommendation is 2-3 milliliters of H202 for every gallon of water. If using 3%, add 2-3 teaspoons of H2O2 per gallon of water.
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you want an air space at top for the roots to absorb O2 direct from air , the bubbler only circulates the water to assist in water to air O2 exchange
I LOVE THE BUBBLER METHOD !
Same
@@TheAdhdGardener I HAVE THE AEROGARDEN SPROUT , ANYTHING I PUT IN THERE GROWS SO QUICK,
DWC is my preference
he'll yeah! gardening for sobriety
When you said they're both the same and the only difference is the bubbler, I immediately saw the blue and white buckets....
The bubbler wall work get!
I really enjoyed your video, thank you, and keep up the good work.
Only use pool noodles, cut a split in noodles. Adjust for plant stem size and Adjust height in water. If you have nutrients right. You should be good to go. Change nutrients every few weeks
Beginning stem size or mature stem size? How do you figure which to do?
I tried this experiment on my grow rack inside. Kratky won hands down. A lot less to mess with too. Ramen’s a cutie patootie
That cats a stinker😅 I placed my bets on the bubbler one. Interesting!
I would’ve guessed the bubbler to “win” but that I’d still choose to Kratky because so much less fuss and so much more executive dysfunction proof.
@@Karoline_g I was convinced the DWC would win but it was apparent in the first 30 days it was lagging behind. Weird but I’ll take it lol.
And I did it as well many times. Aerated water culture always wins. Roots must have oxygen. Plus, you get the added benefit of the bubbler preventing anaerobic issues leading to root rot and disease.
I, too, am an ADHD gardener. 😂
The struggle is REAL!
you still eat things with gly in it.... biome based condition
Next time just put the foam around the roots BEFORE you put them in the netcup
My thoughts exactly. I was waiting for a stem to snap.
With this buckets you will definitely grow algae on the roots.
YOU MUST PAIN THE BUCKETS BLACK OR buy black buckets directly
I did a part 2 n switched buckets. Didn't paint them but they were darker in color. I get the paint idea tho I've done that with other buckets
My guess, the bubbler will work better
Hi, love ypur video. Can you use the kratky set up outside in diredt sunlight?I tried my first kratky bucket, but the water turned green after 1 month. I use a white but and sealed lid. I have it outside on direct sunlight.
I kook forward to your advise.
Thanks
Mario
The water needs to stay dark n cannot be exposed to sunlight. That's how algae grows(the green). I paint my buckets/ containers black or use thick 5 gallon buckets with dark colors. The bucket I used is white here but it's thick if I was to put it outside id watch n see for green
Thank you so much. I better start painting. 😁. 🤞 I get a good crop next time around
niceee
I don't buy into the adhd thing in general, and I liked your video.... thanks
Is there a result video???
Not yet. The plants got a massive aphid infestation indoors so I started it all over again outside
For a person on the spectrum she sure is outgoing. Like really outgoing.
Great video but your light is really close I mean the LED light fixture is basically on your cabbage 😅
cool lady
its been over 5 months what are the results?
I had to start it over again twice. 1st time the aphids killed the seedlings n the next time my chickens ate them😑 in still growing seedlings to attempt again for fall
Also, all the vid's I,ve watched add calcium and epsom salt to the hydro mix you used.
Yea in the beginning I use master blend and part of that mix was adding Epsom salt as far as calcium I don't remember but good to know
The cat is a Pastafarian 😂😅
First make sure your babies are not getting soaked by the bubbles to much or by over filling kratky is still so it's not agitated by bubbles and there for are less susceptible to oxygen dep put the water a bit lower ❤
Not the same white bucket vs blue bucket sorry if already said.
That krakkk
thisbexcatly what im doing not trying to go on a run
to stay sober this works
Wheres the results?
It's still in progress. So far the the DWC is leading with faster growth n more roots
Great project but stistically, all you are doing is comparing one bucket to another. To represent either metod, you may want to include at least 3 replicates for each method, 6 buckets all together.
Did you know tortoise shell cats are always female?
Yes Ramen is a female. She has a lil goatee print that makes her look like a him
@@TheAdhdGardener She's very cute
Your light is too close to the seedlings.
Well... which was better? the whole point of the video.
No the point of the video was to set up n discuss them. I had to redo experiment so it's in process now. Actually just put up a pic of the new batch on my FB on how theyre doing. I switched up a few things since the first vid. That vid will be coming up within a few weeks the results.
ramen eh? tell me you have been to jail without telling me you have been to jail
I thought you were going to let us know 😢😮
I did. The part 2 is in the description and in the comments
@@TheAdhdGardener yeah 👍 cool .. but now what I would like to know is 🤔 the weight of the cabbages .. which one weighs more at the end ??
ok.. first if you saw it on toktok it was idiocy. kratky CANT outperform dwc, the ONLY advantage it has is laziness (since you dont have to use electricity). theres no need to use netcups AND pool noodles, you can just hold the plant in the pool noodle (wtf..noodle AND netcup AND noodle? no). never use white buckets for hydro, light goes through and it produces algae... then again you are using contaminated water anyways if youre using rain water with giant light gaps in the lid. thats too much water, theres supposed to be 1-3 inch gap under net cup. thats not near enough bubbles for dwc, get a bigger stone and use both outputs with a Y connector to the bigger stone. there should be a boiling looking effect where none of the water is resting. im guessing theres no results here because you got root rot and killed them.
So judgey aren't ya. U do know there are more than 1 way to do hydro🤦♀️ your way sounds good but the way I do mine also works well. NO there was no root rot at any point. So what if kratky is the "lazy" way to do it. It still works n that's what matters. My plants died because of aphids. I currently set it up again and so far although Dwc is doing awesome the kratky one looks good too. As far as bubbles ya u wanna see it bubbling but there is such a thing as too much oxygen depending on container size. If you give too much O2 it can stunt your growth(Google it)
@@TheAdhdGardener didnt realize you were above improving your technique.. or learning. you arent supposed to be feeding the roots the air IN the water (which is why theres supposed to be a 1 inch+ gap under the net cup), the bubbles popping is supposed to create droplets of oxygen infused water+nutes which causes more roots to come out from the sides and leads to the explosive growth associated with DWC. if you can cause oxygen toxicity with a 15$ walmart fish pump i will eat my hat (it would be up there with proof of aliens, time travel, or alternate dimensions). what works even better than the crappy air stones by the way, is making "spiders" or hoops out of "soaker hose" because you can fit a ring around the bottom of the bucket so the bubbles come from all around. i call kratky lazy because its fire and forget, once a week you have to top off solution and other than that it just sits there, and if only having to deal with your plants once a week is the goal its a great solution. it cant in ANY way compete with dwc though (which is a lot more work with all the ph/ppm testing/adjusting in addition to the electricity) if you are trying to maximize output in a given space.. i dont think it can beat nft, flood and drain, or aero/fog ponics either actually. watch some "hoocho" videos, youll up your game 100 fold. most importantly kratky has some pretty big limitations that dwc doesnt as far as things you can effectively grow in it before it becomes a massive pain in the ass.
@@megaflux7144 🤦♀️ I'm always about learning. It's how u came off that I didn't like. I didn't use net cups this time. I would like to know the info u said so i CAN improve all I'll look into it. I watch a few hoocho vids but not many cuz I only do hydro during fall n winter. Gonna watch more. As far as neurodivergants go the kratky is yes a more simpler method but it suits many people needs and abilities especially if people are forgetful. The cabbage in the kratky is doing quite well. If course the dwc one is better but the kratky one is def a close second. I switched them all to 5gal darker colored buckets
Hoocho does a nice a job but it seems he has an endless budget and spends a ton of time building his setups. Not that it’s a bad thing, but if you want to see how to do the pure kratky method, check out keepongrowing channel. He has documented pretty much all the hydroponics methods and has now gone straight kratky. He has great money saving ideas and great success with bucket towers and downspouts only using pool noodles. Hope this helps
A bubbler in water only circulates the water for a very slight better water to air O2 exchange at surface ,the bubbles themselves will not impart any O2 to the water of measurable amount, and your headspace for O2 exchange is not adequate. in either, bucket and a bubbler will not have any marked improvement with as small a surface area as you provide in a 2 gallon bucket surface area. bubbles in dwc do not solve issues it the airs space so the roots can take up O2 from the air as it enter you would gain more from an air vent ducted to a small computer fan pushing air in to flow across the roots to supply the roots with O2 and this air flow will do the same surface exchange as a bubbler.
The bucket color density will also impart a mismatch in light penetration to the grow nutrient solution and the tops wont seal proper to keep light from possibly causing algae growth which will affect comparison results.
Get away from using the pool noodles the chemicals used to make some can hinder plant growth use the full net pot get plant growing grade rock wool like grodan rockwool from amazon or rock wool grow plugs ( not insulation grade rockwool that contains chemicals to stop mold mildew and fungus growth and fire retardants ) the seal the top surface with some painters tape and poke a hole to plant seed. You negate the use of the net pot in way you plants , if you want a support and insist on pool noodle prestart you plants in water cut your pool noodle about an inch thick ring and cut a slit from edge to center , open center slip plant in so roots hang down and use a hole saw to cut a hole in that will hold pool noodle firm in place without crushing root , or get a cork mate cut a slit and a small hole in center to put seedlings in and places in hole in lid or a non toxic organic latex foam
Air pumps do not add O2 to the water because of the bubbles. It is the agitation or breaking of the surface tension of the water that adds oxygen To ensure that your plants have enough oxygen to breathe, you need to get bubbles to agitation the surface to dissolve plenty of oxygen in the water. You can use aquarium power heads instead of air pumps todo the same agitation
Cabbage is not a good fit for Kratky.....
Well I'm learning that. Have a vid coming out this Sat on that. Hey a gals gotta try n learn the hard way🤷♀️
If u didn't do this with a clones pla t it's worthless
Some anecdotal data is better than no data. Besides I did a part 2 continuing this. The seeds were from the same package. U may think it's worthless whereas other may see it differently. It's the point of the types of hydro system. In the end it'll still be individualized based on personal preference to what system they want to use.
DWC is obviously better the root zone gets loads more oxygen.
Check out the part 2. I pinned the video. It did very well but kratky was right up there too surprisingly
OMG I THINK I HAVE ADHD, THE GROW LIGHT IS NOT LEVEL AND IT'S KILLING ME INSIDE , LMAO!
Me too!😀
@@camib2864 LOL
That's called ocd loll not ahdhd
@@kiritofirewolf6161 I GUESS I HAVE OCD, THAN
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder vs Attention Deficit Hyperactive disorder.
Nice video. Lot of mistakes. Dont use wood. Gets wet and moldy. Airstone look like you find it from trash bin. Clean it. Get another one and but them both in bucket. Led is way too close. Maybe 40cm could be closer the right height. Why you just dont make right size hole for netpot? First make it way too big and then stuff if with some raimbow pride leftovers. Good luck and may the grow gods be with you. Amen 😂
There's a part 2 where I did alot of changes to this. U can learn through failure. I learn this way but in the end I learn none the less. There's a part 2 to this
ADHD Gardener I subscribed to your channel because of your response to this critical comment. Good job your awesome 👍.
Get away netcup.
Wtf.
Is your cat a male? You called him dude. Most three colored Cats aré female. A male tri color would be very very rare.
Ramen is a female but I always call um dude or he cuz she has a lil goatee on her face lol
What a rip. 10 minutes long and never even answered the question. How did they do?
Part 2 czcams.com/video/fTrj4mXxeOY/video.html
Neither. Pool noodles are not a safe as a medium to grow food for human (or animal) consumption. Only plastics 2, 5, glass, and steel (not coated with BPA) are safe. I have YET to see a safe hydroponic garden on CZcams.
Yep then dont use them its that simple🤷♀️ if u can find bpa free then obvi that would be best but its always feasible
Incomplete video
Part 2 video is in the comments for the results n in description