Who Built Moat Cailin? (and Yeen?) Westeros Disaster Hunters - Ice and Fire Theory
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2023
- Moat Cailin is a big creepy abandoned (and ruined ) megalithic fortress whose origins seem more than a tad fishy... the official story doesn't add up, so let's see if we can figure out what's really going on here, who built, and why. We'll also end up solving the Yeen mystery on the way, for you Yeen fans out there.
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title image uses "Moat Cailin" by Rene Aigner
maps of the unbroken Arm of Dorne come from Werthead's excellent Atlas of Ice and Fire blog:
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Dont know if they should be compared but the fact that moat cailin had about 20 towers with only 3 left could be linked to the Nights Watch having 19 castles but only 3 occupied at the start of the story
shit I meant to mention that!!
@@DavidLightbringer 19 not counting the Nightfort which was deserted after the Nights King ficasco
Also, Cersei;s prophecy that says she will have 3 children and Robert 20. I think 3/20 might be GRRM's birthday or something.
Maybe there must be 3 dragon towers
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Hahahaha yes
I don’t want to distract George more than he already is but I would love a book of all of Old Nan’s stories. I think they would add so much to the series and the lore. Probably a better source of information the the maesters anyway.
He actually answered this at a symposium he did. He has a book called something like "Night tales from Old Nan" he said was around 90 percent done but he hasn't gotten around to finishing. He read a few excerpts from a chapter and it pretty much said that Duncan the Tall had sex with her and Hodor was his grandson.
@@ModMax69Oh my God. I hope that even if he doesnt get to finish it it gets published at least posthumously
Your videos make me appreciate GRRM's work even more.
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Its like taking a small look in another universe
I hadn't connected this MP sketch, Moat Cailin, and Storms end before.
Honestly, George should treat him with some sweet merch for being such an advocate for George's work. I personally don't rate Martin as a novelist. I find him more of a 'world-weaver'. He creates/writes entire worlds/scenarios in great detail. More screenwriter than novelist.
GRRM and work should not be in the same sentence
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The hammer of the waters definitely hammered Moat Cailin. So hard in fact that the Drunkard's Tower is STILL hammered.
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The first Cranog building in ancient Ireland can be linked with some kind of climate catastrophe because trees pulled from bogs which, have been dated to the same period, show several years of zero growth via their rings like there was some kind of Long Winter... Awesome video as always, thank you.
Plise gib source!!!!
@andrzejkopalnia OP might be referring to 536 AD. Krakatoa erupted and the soot caused a global cooling event written about in various disparate cultures on different continents.
@@peepindis That coincides with the crannog building alright, but the bog oak study reveals an approximate 800yr cycle of zero growth going back about 9000 years. I've tried to post the studies but they keep getting deleted but I'll try again...
@VunterSlaush1650 interesting. What was the cause? Did a very brief Google and came up with ocean currents changing from glacial melt. But 800 years of zero growth seems...impossible? At least in in the human past. 8200 y ago bumps up against writing.
@@peepindis Sorry, I meant instances of zero growth occurring every 800 years.
Something that has always stood out to me as odd is that the Night's Watch traditionally wear black; Why BLACK in a snowy environment? It would make sense that they originally wore black because they walked black walls. I dig this theory.
I like the idea of Moat Cailin being the “walls” in the Nights Watch oath. It could be that Moat Cailin was like a secondary front to the Wall up in the north.
What if the north and all its inhabitants (children, giants, green men) were completely cut off at the Neck by Moat Cailin (Great Emp of Dawn), and after Moat Cailin went down (beginning of the Long Night), the Wall went up in its place in an effort to sequester the Others?
Idk man I’m just riffin
Maybe certain castles are like waystations/coal stations to travel north. Calin, Last hearth, winter fell.
@@TheInsatiableDrBoomWould fit well with the idea that the Others at actually on the defensive in the greater scheme of things - the frontier between the lands of the Others and of Mankind might have once been at Moat Cailin, eventually moved up to what is now the wall after some defeat of the Others?
I think Moat Cailin being the original post of the Night’s Watch could lean into the theory that the Others built the wall. Maybe the Others built the wall to keep the Last Hero and the first men from advancing any further north.
After all, it's stated in GRRM's lore that dragons refused to fly over the wall.
About 950,000 years ago. A broad natural land bridge connected southeast Britain to mainland Europe. Footprints and stone tools at Happisburgh, Norfolk, were left behind by members of an unknown human species who crossed this bridge, becoming the first known Britons, This land bridge is geographically located identically to the one that Joined Westeros ro Essos. George certainly knows his tuff, respect to the man.
Umm, I think you mean the Doggerlands and they're 16,000-6500 BC, no where near a million years ago as you suggest. That long ago would've been Homo Erectus, not Homo Sapiens.
Omg the nimble family 🙆🏻♂️
More likely the more well-known Bering land bridge (and by extension/same inspiration the Helcaraxe) is what he went for.
@@TheAlaskansandmanthe footprints are thought to be from homo antecessor 900k years ago in Happisburgh, in Norfolk near the coast of mainland Britain. It’s not exactly Doggerland either which is/was in/below the North Sea, as this was from a time before the last ice age covered much of Britain and the North Sea. They are the oldest human footprints found outside Africa, they’re human, but not homo sapien. There was a land bridge connecting Britain to the mainland at the time, but it is thought to be much narrower (similar to the arm of Dorne imo) than the one that followed the most recent ice age that gave rise to Doggerland and covered much of the southern part of the North Sea.
@@matt_9112 Beringia
I've always associated Moat Cailin with that Monty Python scene. Loved hearing this so much.
Some of these photoshops are hilarious. The lagoon creatures hanging off the ruins 😂😂😂😂. Man your collabs back in the day with Quinn were awesome. We need more books and seasons to dive back into. Just went back and rewatched some GoT....they really dropped the ball on the mystery/lore/prophecy stuff that made it so interesting leading up to the final season
I’ve often heard that the Ice Wall is a fantastical version of Hadrian’s Wall, given it’s location and Westeros’s likeness to Britain (the North) and an upturned Ireland (the six Southern kingdoms). I’m part way through your video and you mentioned Moat Caitlin being a potential second wall, and this is also reflected in the real world too. Not only did the Romans build Hadrian’s Wall, they also built the Antonine Wall, a less impressive defensive wall along the much narrower central belt of Scotland, roughly from Edinburgh to Glasgow. It has a very similar geographical look as the Neck, with the Firth of Forth being analogous to the Bite.
The Five Forts in the East also give me the impression of the German Limes that the Romans built in Germany to keep the barbarians at bay there too.
When you consider all three defensive structures, 2 in the west, one in the east built by an ancient empire to keep out “barbarians”, it’s hard not to think that George is pointing to an ancient empire having built all three.
If such a massive Empire truly existed where would the capital be? I'm starting to wonder if the Empire started with Yeen and shifted to Asshai, sort of like the Roman Capital switching from Rome to Constantinople, just some food for thought.
@@tiringsarcasmvery clever thought
It would be the great Empire of the Dawn that built all of them if anything. The valerians are their descendants
@@danieldeclue1466so empire of the dawn is Roman empire and valyrian "Freehold" is the HRE.
Some maester: DID YOU KNOW THE VALYRIAN FREEHOLD WAS NOT FREE, NOR A SINGULAR HOLD?
@@AntonioPerez-wf2lf 🤣yes ur right
Perfect timing. Digging a ditch for the foundation of a greenhouse and glad to have something to listen to while I’m at it!
Bran the Builder over here
Seriously though wicked cool
@@Matt-xc6spthank you, man, that compliment gives me even that much more steam 💪
Greenhouse? Praise Garth! 🙏🌱
A tidbit: the bridge that forms the entry to Breakwater (what's in a name), the seat of House Borrell, is made of black basalt. Plus the Borrells are the Keeper of the NIght Lamp (Long Night reference?).
The only other place that has black basalt walls is Blackhaven of House Dondarrion.
oh it's the BRIDGE, duh. That makes it a parallel to the Neck for sure
I’m so glad you’re back to doing long form videos!!! I have ADHD and having something interesting to listen to REALLY helps me focus and get things done! I have a hard time with the live streams for some reason though, so these longer scripted videos are fantastic! I really appreciate the amount of hard work you put into your videos!
adhd doesn't exist. it's a made up american disease. just a set of vague symptoms that have other underlying causes. used as an excuse to hook people on ritalin and other drugs. mental health doctors have deals with big pharma to push them on people.
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A roaring 'skål' and the horns held high for all of us from House ADHD/ADD
"We Guard The Night"
Same!!
watching the livestream vods at 2x speed rly helps w my adhd 😂 leaves less room for mind wandering haha. plus just the content being so fun and fascinating as well, ofc!
At 28:08 I’ve never heard that take before. I always thought that “Winterfell” meant the place that winter began of “fell” hence the Starks words of “winter is coming”, but it meaning where winter fell as in where the long night was felled makes a lot more sense, and definitely ties everything in much more nicely.
Fun fact!!! That bridge in the show where Euron assassinates Balon was filmed at the giants causeway. While that doesn’t impact canon at all, it does give them a further bond.
Also love saying Derry, hell yeah David.
oh god thats awesome
@@DavidLightbringer yeah! I’ve never been but my sister went on a “sights where game of thrones was filmed” tour in Northern Ireland several years ago. Another bonus fun fact that will make rewatches less painful: the cave where Melisandre has the shadow baby is someone’s driveway. She has the baby in a driveway.
To add to the Lovecraftian paralells, the Yucatan Península where the meteor fell is filled with cenotes - enourmous cave systems, all supoosedly connected, and filled with clear blue sweet-water.
These were sacred pools to the Mayans. Many a jade effigy, offering, and even evidence of sacrifice has been found around or deep below these underwater networks. There the Mayans worshiped gods of the underworld and shadowlands...
Damn how could I forget... The Mayans were also artisan craftsmen of Obsidian - a kind of oilly black stone / dragonglass material
@@charliedavison8381and worship the seasons, sacrifice in fire and blood, and a big god is a feathered serpent - a dragon, effectively
@@cloverazar5315 good old Qʼuqʼumatz, the feathered serpent associated with wind and rain... so is the north of England, but maybe that´s a stretch hmmmmmm or hmm?
Cailin is another form of the Irish name Caitlin. Catelyn is a cat fish Tully. Ned got cat fished by squishers. Brans green sea-er end game is to hammer everything under water where the dragons cant burn people and the ice cant freeze everything. Theory fact. maybe.
the Catelyn part is right on the money I bet
I'm aware of how off the mark this is but I've long been a Lovecraft fan and as such it's hard not to read everything through a lens of cosmic horror.
To that I always thought the big cities of black stone in Lovecraftian stories were something that the authors really didn't understand themselves.
Some of the better explainations that they were somehow created with tonal architecture or some such magic science.
I like to think that Lovecraft was thinking of nano machines and the grey goop long before it was a concept.
Again, this totally doesn't fit with a song of ice and fire unless, of course, it wasn't just natural meteorite falling to earth but the cosmic horrors of space that primitive man didn't understand.
Great video!
The Columbia River Gorge, making up the border between Oregon and Washington has loads of the same type of columnar basalt all along it, from when fissures opened up in Eastern Oregon, Eastern Washington, and Idaho. The baslts of this formation was layed down 17-14 million years ago, its one of the younger bassalt fields of this type around.
If you want more details about collumner basalt Nick Zentner a professor at Eastern Washington State, has lots of videos talking about geology and going to see examples. Sometimes he brings along local Native Americans to explain the historical context and stories about these places.
I'm glad this video was built on top of 4 burned and drowned castles and now stands! Thanks again @David Lightbringer
I really wasn’t a big ice and fire fan until I started watching your videos after seeing you’re stuff with Quinn. I watched the show but never read the books or had interest but I can’t get enough of it now. Awesome stuff man.
You talking about Ireland and my hometown Derry felt like an out of body experience, would love to hear more Ireland-Westeros connections !!
32:14 thanks for the reveal you really had me there for a second. Absolute madman.
One of my only complaints about GRRM's incredible detail and realism is that he has the UPPER most headwaters of one river RIGHT NEXT to the neck. That's not how rivers and gravity work. Headlands are at a higher elevation and would have a continental divide between them. A watershed boundary. Sometimes it is relatively low lying like how tributaries to the Mississippi go almost all the way to the Chicago River which of course flows to the ocean. via the St Lawrence, a few thousand miles from Chicago.
The only Revolutionary War battle that was fought in the "frontier" that is Upstate NY was near the portage between the Mohawk river's tributary and whatever river flows into Oneida Lake which ultimately flows into the Great Lakes. The Mohawk River Valley basically continues all the way across NY State. But even then, the lowlands are far downstream and the headwaters of the Mohawk are but a wee creek.
And still, Lake Ontario, great she may be, is no ocean. She sits at least 260' above sea level.
The Mississippi has her head waters in Lake Itasca in central northern Minnesota. That bitch sits some 1400' above sea level.
But boats can go no further than St. Anthony Falls in Minneapolis. By the time the river reaches these falls, she's already descended HALF her total height to a mere 700' above sea level.
The rivers flowing northward from Lake Itasca are many thousands of miles from the Atlantic. They probably freeze before reaching the arctic - idk myself bc i don't wish to go so far north.
Anyway, GRRM can't explain this away as magic bc the twins would not be there. The whole thing doesn't make sense but i'm rusty and can't properly explain why any better than I have in this rambling nonsensical comment.
Still this should show the level of detail in which we've analyzed this poor man's fictional world. I daresay i know more about it than our own.
I bet if he knew as much about this specific subject as you do GRRM would have altered those details just a little so that they made sense in terms of gravity and how water moves. It really is like the one thing he overlooked.
Scrolling thru CZcams finding nothing to watch and what do I know but good ol' Dave posts a video just when I need it. Thanks bro😊
There may be an unlimited supply of the oily stone below the waves. There might be entire super-cities constructed from it on the ocean floor. Spooky thought. And great video as always.
I really like this idea. I keep wondering where the oily black stone is COMING from. And how it comes from a location close to a place like Ye'en and then can also be found at Moat Cailin. Was it brought there and how and by whom?
I like the idea of Moat Cailin having been some sort ancient westorosi melting pot where you’d see children of the forest, giants, green men, squisher hybrids, first men or even firstier men, and pretty much anyone that was around. Kinda sounds like theories in our world about ancient coastal cities with diverse populations that were wiped out with that mini ice age and resulting floods
This video does have the downside when discussing the idea that the neck was a "Byproduct" of the breaking of the arm of Dorne that it fails to consider that the Neck isn't uniformly low-lying. The rivers run northwest and south here, when if the land had been scoured by a tidal wave from the east into its current pestilent bog you'd expect them to flow out that way - but most of the Neck drains into the greenfork river and runs for hundreds of miles.
Actually the Younger Dryas period and Meltwater Pulse 1B suggest that sea levels rose several hundred feet in a single century with cataclysmic results around 10,000 years ago. Speed is relative when you’re talking about geological events.
But yeah this one was magic.
okay Randall
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The Neck reminds me of an area in the east of England called The Fens which is connected to The Wash. A low lying wetland historically prone to flooding. Great content as always 👍
There’s a marshy area in Boston we call “The Fens” as well!
just wanna say I really appreciate these structured videos
Perhaps the hammer of the waters was a tsunami caused by the melting of a previous ice wall, that maybe stood at the neck. That would make Moat Cailin a kind of five forts analogue in Westeros, and it seems very similar.
a few have proposed the melting of an ice wall at the Neck before, yes, there's just not much evidence for it. it's a sensible speculation though
I tend to agree. I was early-ish in your video when I commented, the destruction of a landbridge makes more sense for the scale of the event.
However a point in favour of the ice melting idea, doggerland off the east coast of Britain was inundated after an ice wall holding back the North sea failed at the end of the last ice age. The resulting tsunami is also what is believed to have created the English channel cutting Britain off from continental Europe.
Westeros is heavily influenced by the history and geography of Britain just painted at a more massive scale, and as you pointed out GRRM really does know and reference a lot of this, so maybe it is a blend of these aspects.
Of course part of the fun with ASOIAF is that so much is open to interpretation. Anyway thank you for replying to my thoughts, and I am really enjoying watching your videos so thank you for all you do.
I cracked up at the Daenerys as a mermaid moment 😂
Thanks for the Squisher awareness. Squishers need more representation and empowerment in all spheres of society. Once again great video 👏👏👏
We been waiting for TWOW longer than we been waiting for a new Frank Ocean album, but I can definitely see why that is the case. Such incredible world building done by Mr. George RR Martin. I can see why its taking so damn long to finish.
Really enjoy all the ASOIAF content over the years LML. A theory i thought of and hold atm is the great empire of the dawn is the originators of the fused black stone (the valyrians seem to inherit this technology/magic) but the blood stone emperor who usurped and replaced the great empire of the dawn is the originator of oily black stone and probably had asshai as his capital (and the iron born/other peoples seem to be the bloodstone emperor's tech/magic inheritors)
it does seem like he mutated whatever magic the GEOTD had yes I aggree
I have really enjoyed watching your growth, as a content producer 😁
thank you so much mahasamatman!
This lml guy knows what he is talking about I’ll tell ya! Great video as always and thanks for the wonderful art
The Last Hero’s surrounded by the Others reminds me of Wymar, but where the Last Hero was the one the Others wanted. The Children were also there, seems odd that the Last Hero, the Others and the Children of the Forest were all there at the same time.
“Those of you who have kids just think of your living room” OUCH Dave 😂 too true
ONLY WITH MEGALITHS
Couldn’t wait for this video. Love the series and I’m really looking forward to the next installment
Soooooo stoked!!!! Literally the first video of yours I watched said this was coming and I've been waiting, didn't much care for your content initially. Yet....I was constantly watching and sometimes agreeing and sometimes not but you clearly make great content and I appreciate that, you've earned a sub and a like my guy keep up the work man appreciate you.
Wow! Way to finish strong LML 👏👏👏 Love the new find and the excellent map analysis. Great stuff.
Excellent content. It's great that you can deeply analyse so many concepts in your videos, it's unique in some cases, as other channels don't do as much.
Great content and your production quality is looking fantastic. The set and lighting look really good. Thanks, LML!
Absolutely amazing work I was waiting for this one in particular you did a fantastic job👍🏻
I've been looking forward to this : )
Thank you very much, keep up the good work, and skål
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The maester vision of magic and stuff always makes me think about the French Revolution (the Reach is also very french)
I forgot how much I love your stuff. Time to catch up on your 2023 videos!
What a great video, your theorizing is always such a treat! And the map stuff was just hilarious, awesome stuff!
The hammer of the waters is also a reference to Big Bobby Baratheon smashing Rhaegar in the trident.
This event effectively split Westeros from the Essossi ideology and culture of the Targaryens.
It was a cultural splitting rather than a geographic one.
Great video! You laid out the pros and cons of each theory, while connecting them to your own thoughts really seemlessly, and the additional research and connection to Lovecraft really pulled it together. The Irish connection is such an interesting find, and makes sense since the Cailin is Irish/Gaelic for girl. For me I've always thought of oily black stone as essentially radioactive meteor/comet, and thus the people who touch it, or whose lands get crushed by it get the sci-fi version of mutations: fish features. I still wonder why the myth about Moat Cailin implicates the children? Maybe they were trying to stop the devastation and it got twisted to an understand that they caused it? Anyway, loved the video, can't wait for the Ironborn!
Incredible long form vid, homie! Love your work!!
Great work! Thanks LML for all the hard and excellent content!
Thank you for this. Have an early day tomorrow and cant wind down n get out of my head, seeing this first thing when i opened youtube saved me.🙏
An hour Moat Cailin video to help me get through my workday??? Oh I am SO ready. What a gift!!
Excited to get this video! Thanks for your dedication to it!
Fantastic video! Hope we get more info about these strange places in the books
Looking forward to your Ironborn video 👏👏👏👏
I really enjoyed this video. As always thoroughly researched and produced. Thank you!
Overall great, and also very informative on so many subjects that you manage to connect so very well. I really enjoyed the visuals in this one especially the perspective of Panama and that one art to mirror the broken arm of Dorne. Excited for the Pike video, and the continued exploration of your take on "what is going on with the squishers here?".
slimy squisher sex is what's going on here hahaha
The land bridge discussion reminded me of you and tim talking about pike possibly connecting to the mainland in the past and being severed by the hammer..another banger video!
I do enjoy how George Imploys Mythological symbolysm in this story.
Its a Human thing to do, to personify in some way aspects of reality as so to better relate and understand them.
George is using the Idea of the Long Night as a metaphore for worldly death and rebirth.
The Night is the Death, the Dawn is the Rebirth.
Like a Pheonix these worlds we occupy die and something new comes from its corpse.
The Chalcolithic died for the Bronze Age and the Bronze died for the Iron.
The Iron turned to the Classical era turns to the Mideval ages so on so forth. The only question one must ask.
What Pheonix rises.
Bright or Dark
Coincidentally a few hours ago I watched a video about a guy who was showing of his family chateau. On who built the castle, he says when the first French Pope, became the Pope, he used some of his new wealth to built seven castles for his family. And the castle he was showing off was one of them. It was a small castle fortified with a moat, looked very medieval and was in English style despite being in France because back then that land was owned by the British and the Pope had to ask the English King for permission to build the castles.
I think your rendition of Swamp castle was the most powerful scene in all forms of media.
Always excellent content! Thank you for all the great work!
New (kinda) Favorite channel. Commenting purely for engagement stats. Keep ‘Em coming.
I'm fully addicted to your videos man
Been waiting for this one for a long time. Thanks dude
Your dramatic recreation of That Scene was delightful.
NIce work David , really enjoyed this one , cheers
Fantastic video David, well worth the wait!
Can I just say I love your wall so much, they almost distract me from your videos.
Hell yeah, waiting for this video to come out
I always felt really interested in the Moat since the first reading of AGOT. Super in depth excellent video!
Thanks for covering all the topics!
Hey LML been awhile for me due to life changes, but i'm glad to see you are still making great content. Happy to be back.
You are very charismatic and drop the perfect amount of comic relief along with some excellent esoteric observations. Best ASIOF channel on YT IMHO.
oh thank you very much
No one expects the squisher inquisition!!!!
Awesome! LML thank you 🙏🏻 for sharing this video, great work, very interesting topic, I loved it! 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻🙋🏼♀️🇨🇦♥️🤩
can’t wait for the pyke and ironborn videos!!!!
I can't believe I'm almost caught up with this playlist!
I first got into this channel around this time last year when working on the mythological connections in my own writings- usually going in the background when I was drawing. Sadly my computer decided to die on me, and I ended up avoiding the channel because I was depressed about not having access to my art and writing.
However I've lateley I found myself clicking a video at random, and listening has helped me feel less depressed than I have in a while, and the writers block feel a little less insurmountable. Idk why, but its been a genuine relief to be able to vibe with what inspires me, even if I can't get utilize said inspiration like I want to.
Gonna have to make some sick ass fan art inspired by this channel when I finally get my shit back.
Thanks again for another Awesome video. Nice One :)
The collapse of the Arm of Dorne sounds like the Doggerland destruction caused by the Storegga Slide.
I'd LOVE to see you do a video/make a playlist covering all the real-world inspirations for landmarks in Planetos. Super cool!!
I really loved the visuals and concept art in this video it really helps paint the picture of the beautiful and interesting world of ASOIAF
another gem! also love the shoutout to the original Oberyn v. Mountain essay.
Thank you for another insightful video!
Another great video! I must admit that when I heard you making references to the idea of Squishers building Moat Cailin I was very skeptical. But once again you give lots of compelling evidence to back up your ideas. I loved the Hammer of the Waters video and look forward to your continued videos in this new series. 👏👏👏
What are squishers?
@@ThatGuyAgen If you read A Feast for Crows, I believe they are first mentioned in the Brienne chapters where she and Podrick have taken up with a character named Nimble Dick. He is guiding them to a location where Brienne thinks she might find some people she is looking for. Along the journey Nimble Dick proves to be a storyteller with some colorful tales about the area they are traveling in. It seems like some of these tales are meant to frighten Pod the way that Old Nan would tell the Stark children scary stories. And one of these tales is about these fish like humanoids that Dick called the Squishers. But as David has elaborated in this video, the Squishers are just one of several groups of humans who have fish like characteristics in the ASOIAF world, including the webbed hands on some of the people on the Sister Islands and the Iron Born with their worship of the Drowned God and a watery afterlife. Lots of people have commented on how much Martin was a fan of Lovecraft stories and certainly seems to have taken inspiration from them for certain elements in ASOIAF. That’s probably a lot more than you wanted for an answer.
Love the long form essays, LML ❤
LOVR the hout long production videos. Please keep them up!
I always thought the Hammer was used to break the Arm of Dorne and then the Children had to retreat towards the North and tried to break the North off at Moat Callin, but lacked the numbers/power to break it off completely and got the Neck and a broken Moat Callin.
I like this theory
Been waiting for this video keep up the good job
Love all your videos!!🌠
Long awaited!
Nice one David!
It seems that the Great Empire of the Dawn built the Five Forts & Moat Cailin long before the the Bloodstone Emperor, perhaps for the same purpose, to guard from the army of the great other in the north (i.e. lion of night). Perhaps a very ancient incursion, predating the main attack in the Long Night
Dam dude fun video got yourself another subscriber thumbs up man
I've been looking forward to this one, Moat Cailin is a fascinating place, and ever since I heard your comparison between it and Orlthanc I find it even more interesting
Yes! Thank you I had almost forgot that! It matches the description of Orthanc line for line! It really points to the Great Empire of the Dawn, because it paralells Núminor. Sorry Squishers! I love you still! And there could still be a connection with the Bloodstone Emperor and his magic black bloody oily meteor stone. Perhaps he crated the squishers in abominational blood magic rituals or made them his slaves or somthing...
"There stood a tower of marvelous shape. It was fashioned by the builders of old, who smoothed the Ring of Isengard, and yet it seemed a thing not made by the craft of Men, but riven from the bones of the earth in the ancient torment of the hills. A peak and isle of rock it was, black and gleaming hard: four mighty piers of many-sided stone were welded into one, but near the summit they opened into gaping horns, their pinnacles sharp as the points of spears, keen-edged as knives. Between them was a narrow space, and there upon a floor of polished stone, written with strange signs, a man might stand five hundred feet above the plain."
-from The Two Towers
And it is implied as a place where you can work magic at the top. It also reminds of the Hightower ofcause.
Isengard also protects a gateway of sorts.
Cannot articulate how much I love watching these theory/lore videos, hearing all the intracies and interweaving threads, and watching someone just enjoying what theyre doing
thank you! I feel seen, appreciate the kind words
I just saw this now as I must have been asleep so I'll be watching it now