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Check your front load bobbin machine for correct timing.
I often here "My machine is out of time" but most times the machines are in time but have other problems.
This is the first video in a series of how to check sewing machine timing. In this video I will show you how to check the timing on a front load bobbin machine and other possible problems if your machine is in time.
Sewing machine timing is a term used frequently when a sewing machine is skipping stitches, will not pick up the lower thread or is looping. Usually the sewing machine is not properly threaded, the needle is improperly installed or damaged.
In future videos I will be showing how to check sewing machine timing on top and side load bobbins. I will also make videos in the series on how to fix sewing machine timing for various machines.
Understanding how a sewing machine works and how to check the sewing machine timing is very important. If you have any questions on timing let me know.
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I simply do not know how to thank you. You are a true teacher, very detail oriented and concise , excellent lighting and closeup photos along with thorough explanation , thanks again
This is a very informative video. Thank you for making it and posting it.
You are very welcome.
Thank you!
Can't thank you enough for this video. It's by far the clearest and most thorough timing fix video on youtube! I've tried to follow 4 others and yours is the only one to explain it in enough detail to get my machine up and running again. Thank you!!
You're welcome!
Crystal clear explanation. As soon as I've had breakfast I'm going to check that out. Thank you.
Thanks. Your video helped me determine exactly where my needle and hook need to intersect.
You really helped me out! Machine was recently serviced by a reputable shop - they are good folks. But he forgot to tighten both set screws back on the drive shaft (not sure real name). So, I hit a 4-ply piece of denim and it spun. Like, 100% out of time! Not easy to get it back to shop, so found your video, and got straight and zz back in time! THANK YOU!
A very good video. You did an excellent job explaining this concept. I have watched several videos on this topic and finally someone started explaining by pointing out all the parts included. Really nice closeups, easy to see what you were describing. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
You are very welcome!
Thank you for the comment!!
I am so grateful that you are doing these videos! It’s $100 just to walk in the door to get your machine repaired and the another $100 to get it repaired. I have already learned so much from this video alone.
You are very welcome, yes getting machines repaired is expensive, the economy is not helping at all.
I am happy to be able to help.
Thank you!
I have a friend that has an older Singer with a horizontal bobbin. There is no tension from the bobbin and I see no way to adjust it. It just has a black half moon case that it sits in. How do I adjust that tension? I can purchase a new bobbin “case” for $30 but I’m not sure that will solve the problem.
@@suemarshall4897 I would have to see it to know what your talking about.
You can send images to Richard@odessasewingmachine.com
Send images from all sides top and bottom make sure they are very clear with plenty of light.
@@sewingmachinetipsandtricks9079 It is a Singer model 9018. I’m not sure how to send a photo on this site.
Thank you so much for such a thorough walkthrough, and making the extra effort to get us the super close up shot where the hook touches the scarf!
Thank you! Great explanation. I think I finally understand the relationship between the hook, needle, and scarf as well as why it's so important to get the orientation of the needle correct. I will watch your others videos next. One other issue I have is that I am restoring vintage machines and I sometimes have to remove the pressure bar and needlebar for a deep clean. So I have to get both of them reinserted at the correct height AND also rotated correctly! And yes, there can be a lot of dirt at the top of the needle, below the stop. Thanks again.
First and foremost, thank you for the time and effort you put in for us viewers ! I don't own a Neechi BU just yet but found a really clean looking BU for sale near by for what seems to be a great price ($175). It has new powerful motor and a new electronic foot pedal. Iv'e talked to the gentleman on the phone a couple times setting up a meet time. He is a sew'r himself and has 1/2 doz machines. Here's where I need your help, he said he recently loaned it out to his sister and when he got it back to sell he said he can't get it to sew like it had when he first acquired it. (He said it sew'd amazing) It's bunching up thread on bottom side. He has tried new needle's, bobbin, bobbin tension, top tension, remove and re-install bobbin case etc. Now I don't know his knowledge of repair and diagnostics. Now he really doesn't want to sell cause he can't get it running. I hate to pass a clean BU for a more than fair price. Could it be as simple as the timing got knocked out ? I don't know how hard that is to do. Any thoughts of your would be appreciated. I am still going to go see machine tomorrow but wanted to go into it a little better prepared, ie How far should needle bar come up from bottom when hook is right behind needle? How close should hook point be from needle scarf ? Does a BU have timing marks on needle back like Singer's do ? Thanks again for you video's.
You are very welcome!
First and foremost if it is stitching the timing probably is not off.
It sounds like a simple fix.
If it is looping and bunching up then it is probably a simple fix.
Here are the things I check on any machine that comes in if it is bunching up.
First the needle for damage, then the needle plate for damage, the hook and bobbin case for damage, the tension discs to ensure lint or a ball of thread is not stuck between them.
Always make sure to raise the presser foot before threading or that will cause looping and bunching up.
Very well done! I've been sewing for years and you've explained things that are new to me. Thank you so much! (An old fashion ice pick might be a good pointer for you 😊)
Nicely explained in a deep dive on needle, scarf, shuttle race hook, timing, etc. Very much needed to fix my problem. Thank you!
I currently work at a sail shop with a few industrial machines from the 70s and we’ve been having timing issues with one of our machines. Our repair guy is really hard to pin down but I’ve been able to make a lot of repairs myself. Our triple stitch has been skipping stitches and I figured it was a timing problem and I was right!! This video has been so so helpful and I’ll be watching all your other ones as well. Thank you so much!!!!!!
Ty so much for this video! I've watched hours of videos but I wouldn't have been able to fix my new to me Janome XL-II without this!! Great job 👏
Thanks, you helped me realise it wasn’t the timing 👌
That was a very detailed video and thanking you profusely, it is the best ,very well explained .
Thank you so much! I have a Pfaff quilt expression 2046. It’s currently in the shop because of timing. I was able to fix a thread jam myself but then the zigzag was skipping stitches just as you described and I had no idea how to fix that. It’s costing $200 every time I have to take it in. Hoping to learn how to fix timing myself. Your explanation of timing is outstanding. Well done and thank you!
Thank you for making this video. I watched other videos, and the problems persisted. The issues were only fixed after your explanations.
Thank you very much! I spent 2 days troubleshooting timing and trying to understand why i have problems, and the soulution was simple, to rotate the needle 😅
Excellent information. Great clear close up of machine workings. Thank you.
I have an older New Home machine - super dependable - but after making a new bobbin, my machine wouldn't catch the bobbin thread. I watched other videos on timing and was nervous about taking my machine apart. Thankfully I watched yours and found that my needle had slipped down and needed to be pushed in all the way - simple fix! Thank you so much!
You are very welcome!
Thank you!
Easy to understand and your explanation makes sense,thank you for the explanation.
I have a singer featherweight with a chronic skipping issue. I love this little machine, it has helped me make a number of dolls and cloth for children in foster care. Now I wonder where I can get my machine fixed so I can continue helping others.
this is the best video on this subject ive seen so far
Hi I just bought myself a new Husqvarna and somehow I managed to knock the timing out. I found your video and it was exactly what I was looking for.
I followed everything you said and Wallah! fixed it...thank you so much.
Simple and clear instructions, good Close up video shoots.
You just saved me $$$ .You're a legend. 🎉😊❤
You’re a great teacher. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge
Thank you so very much, you explained everything well. I did get help because I faced the needle wrong and did not know that.
You are a tremendous help. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
Thanks for the content, you gave me the solution to a problem I spent hours trying to fix. Excellent!
No problem I thank you
Very clear instruction for timing.
Thank you for this really clear and informative video, so helpful!
I am working on a front loading Singer Tradition 2263.
Actually I had to replace the needle and adjust the timing. Thank you so much. It works no problem now
how did you adjust the timing?
Thank you for all of your videos. Currently working on a brother XL-5130 that is missing stitches.
Thank you! So happy to find your channel.
Thank you Richard, I always say ,the most important part to great sewing is the needle and the cheapest to replace. change your needle often.
Yes the needle is very important, it can effect your sewing and the machine.
Thank you!
Excellent instruction. It will help me troubleshoot in the future.
Awesome!
I am happy to be able to help!
Thsnk you. Very well explained. For me the bobbin thread would not come up so no stitching was occurring. I will check my needle.
This is a wonderful video! Thank you for explaining and educating so clearly! I have an older (around 60’s era give it take some) Champion super de luxe automatic zig zag machine model 180. I have never seen another, note have I met anyone who knows about the brand, I cannot find any information on iron the internet either. It is front-load oscillating, the problem I have with it is when I drop the feed dogs ant try to free motion quilt it does not catch the bobbin thread. I can travel 3 inches or more without a single looped stitch.
Thank you, very good video and explanation.
Such a good video.! You did a great job of recording it. Thank you.
Your very welcome!
I appreciate that, thank you!!
excellent close up videos the best ive seen
excellent way to explain. thanks
Thanks for the help!
Got a Pfaff 130 that seems to drop time much too frequently and easily. Great video
thanks so much for your kindness. it's a great help! :)
Your very welcome, thank you!
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Than;k ;you very much.. ;your videos are so clear.. I have a 20-51 artisan industrial machine. Will try to apply your sugestions . thank you again
Greatly appreciate your very informative video!! Fixed my issue on my secondhand Singer 4016. Wasnt the timing, needle wasnt set correctly(may or may not have been my ignorance haha)
Thanks that is why my machine was missing a stitch I timed it on the eye not the scaff purchased some big eye neadles they are just about one mill longer when putt against the original needle I need to take that into account when timing and keep using the same needles thank again
Thank you very much!
Brother XL-3001 Oscillating Front loader. Never looked at a sewing machine before last week. Done an old Singer and Bernina last week.. easy… this is a bugger… but as you say, might be the needle height. I already found one ‘mistake’ . My illusion my machine was out of time was I was not looking at the ‘hook’ , I was looking at the ‘horn’ in front of it !
Another great video
Thank you for this explanation, it's very clear. I checked my Singer Simple 3221 and the clearance seem fine. The issue is that the hook is way too far from the needle but from the front view. So the needle arrives between the spacing of the hook. More of a left/right issue than a front/back issue. It was the same problem I had before.
I'm going to keep looking at your videos. I'm sure i'll find the issue soon.
Thank u very much. Very informative.
Morning I have a problem with my thread is jumping and tension nop is loose please help
Thank you for video. I have timing problem with my machine.
You need to figure out why it’s out of time in order to repair it.
Wow, very impressive, thanks.
Thank you!!
Many Thanks Dear
Thank you!!
I so appreciate the high magnification shots you provided for us…very helpful. They served to provide a much needed view of how the tiniest bit of dirt or grime can be a crucial element in causing sewing issues such as skipped stitches. I noticed this in the magnified view of the very top of the needle hitting the metal stop.
What do you recommend to use to remove grime (oily dirt)? Alcohol, perhaps?
I have several machine brands and models, e.g. Babylock, Bernina, Pfaff, Juki, and vintage Viking Husqvarna. They are front loading, top loading, and side loading. I’m looking forward to your timing series…thank you!
Thank you, I appreciate your comment.
I use mineral spirits to remove oily residue and alcohol to remove dried dirt and varnish.
Alcohol can damage some finishes such as the clear coat on antique machine and the lighter colors on some singers such as the 400 and 500 series machines as well as the 6000 series vikings. But it does not affect the darker colors on those machines.
Excellent tutorial. Great teacher. A suggestion. I know you wrote a book, but as you know when it comes to reading directions such as this, seeing is always better. Why don't you offer a paid course following the book demonstrating visually what you are showing on each subject in the book. I would subscribe for sure (so long as the course is not too expensive( Just an idea.
great & clear to understand !!! NM
Thank-you for making this video! Your detailed information and camera angles helped me understand the concept of sewing machine timing. I've recently taken my New Home (front load bobbin) sewing machine in for a tune-up/repair and the stitches are not catching on lightweight stretch fabrics. Oddly, it sews on woven fabrics. I've adjusted the pressure, made sure the needle was inserted properly, etc. I think the timing might be off. It seems like the hook is not passing through the scarf before the needle goes up. Something is amiss. After watching your video, I feel I can talk intelligently about what may be wrong when I take the sewing machine back to the people who charged me for the "tune-up".
Stretchy fabrics can be difficult to sew on. you need at minimum a ball point needle, I recommend a schmetz super stretch needle as they have done the best of all ball points I have seen.
You are a genious!
Thank you for all the info! I have a late 40's-early 50's Singer 111w153. I am a leather crafter and I have it set up for sewing leather. It has been sewing perfectly. However, s couple days ago a PIECE BROKE OFF THE BONNIN CASE. Ordered said case, installed it..............threaded machine, it will not pick up the bobbin. Turned wheel numerous times. Out of 10 cycles, it hooked the thread once. I could use some wisdom. The 3 main factors of timing apperr to be correct. Obvisouly no!!!! LOL!
the Hook: I've had a few fine burrs and dull point on some of my vintage machines and I've used a white or pink (only) nail file (for acrylic nails) to buff out fine burrs and points. For the simple burrs it has worked. They are also good to buff circular beveled or unbeveled edges on plastic.
My grandmother used to say that all the time,we had at least 5 sewing machines in the attic!
Yes, your making since.
Just found your video today. I have a Singer 8060. It used to run so quietly. Now it sounds like it hammers. I feel like it is out of time. I hope you can help me. I spent quite a bit of money on this machine and no one works on them where I live. By the way I love you video.
Hi! I am so glad I found this video! Your camera is excellent and you explain very clearly. Any chance you work on multi-needle embroidery machines? I think I am having a timing issue. Thx!
Good video…carefully and slowly explained.
Do you have a video/videos on how to safely remove and reassemble the covers on a Kenmore 385 15622?
Thank you so much for your videos.
I have a Singer 6235 and it is skipping stitches very regularly and sometimes the upper thread is destroyed on the needle. The distance between needle and hook seems far too big.
Could you give me instructions regarding this model or explain how to adjust this and which value should be correct ?
Mine is a 70s model Janome marketed as a Compact 3690. Front load bobbin.
my needle hits the wrong place on the bobbie holder, I was working with some stretchy fabric and it was getting caught up because tension seemed too tight. but the problem is the needle hits the wrong place on the bobbin holder. mine is a top load bobbin. Singer Quantum 9000 series
Thank you, easy to follow. I have an Elna Lotus ZZ. Timing problems. I have loosned the two grub screws on the lower shaft,
I may be 180 degrees out. Any advice would be appreciated, Thank you, Allan.
I am not familiar with that particular machine so I can"t offer much help with it.
But usually if you are trying to set the timing on a machine and you make it 180 degrees out, it is because when setting the timing you turned the hand wheel in reverse rather than forward.
I hope that helps
I have a Pfaff 1475 CD and adjusted its timing as you described. I corrected the problem of not forming a stitch but now the presser foot doesn't drop enough to move the fabric and I have to push the reverse button in order for the machine to advance forward. Any ideas as to how I may correct this? Thank you.
explanation very clear with good video but no mention of how to find screw to adjust the up and down thing
Thank you for your videos! I have a white sewing machine model 639 that has timing issues. The hook does not go past the needle in order for it to grab the thread On the needle upstroke. I cannot find any videos on fixing the timing. I’m hoping you can help me? Thank you!
Thank you very much very helpful. I want to know how to adjust the zigzag stitch on my empisal expression 889 model, date 1926 Must I open the front cover of the machine?
I am not familiar with that brand, sorry
Very helpful info, thank you very much. My machine is a White Model 1927. I almost started taking my machine apart myself and then decided against it after seeing your video. I can't find any info on this machine at all other than the manual that came with it. Your comment re thick material was key for me as my machine was working spendidly until I forced thick material through the feeder. I then lowered the feeder and that didn't help, so I raised it back up and it hasn't sewn since. But it won't pick up the bobbin thread. This has just started. I don't use it very often and just for basic straight sewing, but before I last put it away I cleaned and oiled it and it was working perfectly yesterday until I tried to sew through thick material. I assume it could be the possibility of the needle bar being moved. Is this something I can do, or do I have to take it to a shop? Thank you for all your great help. I will click on your link for email notifications for future videos.
Good possibility the needle bar got pushed up.
If you can look at the needle bar and see where it was sitting then you may be able to do it your self. If you can't tell where it was sitting then it could be tough. Check the timing, if it is not correct then the needle bar probably got pushed up.
This exact scenario happened to me as well except it seems my needle bar seems so. In fact so low I can’t seem to get a new needle pushed back in there. The bar is very far down. Can I fix this or is it a shop issue?
Di did not find the side loading bobbin timing issues. Can you help I have a Sewmor model 711 that seems out of time.
I have a pfaff 2048. The needle when in the middle position hits the metal housing (hook?) that surrounds that bobbin casing. It feels as though it’s a timing issue?
Heavy duty 4452 there's a clicking sound that it makes when the needle is coming down to meet the hook. should the hook be right above the eye at that time? what is the position that the hook should have when this noise happens? I'm having problem with the top thread not picking up the bobbin thread. I've watched all the videos in this series I just wanted to make sure that I'm headed in the right direction!!
should there be free play or lag between the bobbin rotation and needle movement ? I have this free play.
So, my machine is able to stitch straight stich, and when I come to do the zig zag, the needle actually hit if I try to do a small zig zag, and if I look the whole needle bends and slides when I try to do the full size zig zag. Checked the needle position, changed the needle 2 times, first used and oregon needle , than a singer needle. I got a sewing machine , a White brand, model 219 R . Got the machine and had to go buy the hook and the ring on top as it was missing. Now can the hook be the problem? Can the hook the wrong hook? what is the part number for this machine I need to get. I enjoy fixing sewing machines, but I think that after adjusting the timing ....it won't work well. Please help me out if you can
i have a 834 stylist the needle slams into the feeds dog when i try to sew. The timing mark underneath is lined up at bottom center.
Kenmore 1913 machine, hoping to resolve my skipped stitches. Played with everything from tension to pressure, needles to presser foot. Hoping it’s the timing, I’ll get back to you!
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I truly appreciate your tips and tricks videos. I have a singer 2277 and recently it has started breaking needles. I am hitting something hard, mostly when I go forward and backwards. I have noticed my feed dog was sticking and I cleaned it really good and now I'm wondering if it is out of time. Any input would be appreciated. Thank you.
Hard to say for sure but sounds like you maybe using to small of needles or your pulling your fabric through your machine.
You need to identify what the needle is hitting I suspect probably the needle plate.
Did cleaning fix the feed dog issue?
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At one point I was pulling the material, it had gotten stuck and I tried to help it through. I realized that could possibly be part of the problem so I haven't since. After breaking 4 needles, I switched to singer heavy duty needles and I'm sewing cotton material with elastic. After I cleaned the feed dog it hasn't gotten stuck but I feel a little hesitation every once in a while. I haven't seen through the elastic since then but it sewed just the material fine...but with a hesitation.
@@sewingmachinetipsandtricks9079 my needle plate does look like I have hit it, what would be the cause of this?
I have a Singer Athena 2000 which I love...it is OLD but I have kept it oiled and lubed but just now my needle does not bring up the thread and catches on the bottom. It is a front load bobbin and wines in the machine. Thanks
The Athena was a good machine, unfortunately most of the parts needed to repair them are no longer available.
There is several different problems it could have.
Out of time, a broken gear, the needle bar release not properly working, the needle bar needs to be adjusted...
Unfortunately someone familiar with the machine needs to look at it.
Thank you for this video. I was sewing two 2mm chrome tanned leather together then tried to sew a zigzag stick in a pair of leggings and it would not catch the right side of the zig. I was using a euro shark pro kind like a base singer with more stitches. How do I fix the sewing needle timing?
@@tylermorris5577 sounds like it is slightly out of time.
I have a bernina 780 b that the needle is hitting the hook. Is it timing?
How do you adjust the hook timing on a Bernette 50 machine?.................Thanks, Jim
I have a Necchi 537L that is definately out of timing. When the hook reaches the 12 0'clock position the point of the needle has reached the bottom of the needle plate on the upward part of the stroke. I can't lower the needle bar as some videos suggest because the needle would hit the bobbin case on the downward stroke.
Thank you so much sir for your videos,they are very helpful.
My machine is 20U34 Singer.
It is not stitching properly,the stitches are irregular and makes gathers at the end.
The spring on the bobbin broke.
Could it be it lost timing or it is due to the spring that broke?
If it is stitching then it is probably not the timing.
I don't know what you mean by irregular that could cover many different problems. Maybe you can better explain it.
If the spring on the bobbin case broke then you need a new bobbin case.
Gathering is usually related to improper tension balance and overall tension to tight
Hi, I have same front load singer machine, have timing problem and not pulling the tread up. i saw two gears brass and plastic attach to hook. which screw on those gears i need to loose to fix the timing. OR is there any video i can watch. plz help.
I have a Juki 1181 front load bobbin. I also have a top load bobbin Juki both tend to go out of time as I repair horse blankets
Maybe side load for my 1181 Juki
They should not be moving out of time.
Next time you adjust the timing make sure the oil is cleaned out of the screw holes on the hook that hold it in place and put several drops of lock tight in so it goes all the way to the shaft as well as locks the screws themselves in place.
I have been servicing and repairing vintage Kenmore machines for about 5 years. I have never run into one that the timing was off until now. I think someone who didn’t know what they were doing tried to figure out why the bobbin thread keeps birds nesting and looping and breaking and messed with the timing.I have looked at my other Kenmore machines to try to figure out where the needle and point on the shuttle should be, and it appears that this machine is slightly out of time, but I have no idea how to adjust the timing on a vintage Kenmore. I have adjusted several Singer machines though but they were all drop in bobbins. This is a vertical front loading bobbin. The model I am working on is 158.17530.
Hello Faith,
Yes vintage Kenmore machines don't get out of time unless someone who does not understand them starts working on them.
I would suggest looking at the the gears on the lower shaft and see if anything looks as if it has had a wrench taken to it or see if any of the screws seem looser than they should be, as you know by now if it has never been loosened they are extremely tight especially on vintage machines.
I would look start with the two gears behind the hook. Both of those shafts probably have a flat where one of the setscrews sits, make sure one of the setscrews is on the flat first then try to determine if it is the correct setscrew.
Let me know if this works or if you need more help.
Yes
I have a Kenmore model 385 that is definitely out of timing. It's a top bobbin loading machine. The machine doesn't pick up bobbin thread. When the hook reaches the 12 0'clock position the point of the needle reaches almost the bottom of the needle plate on the upward part of the stroke. The needle eye doesn't come up to the hook level until the hook reaches a 10 o'clock position. I can't lower the needle bar as some videos suggest. I also adjusted gear setting for the hook timing. But that didn't help either. Do you have any suggestions to fic this problem?
forgot to send you my email: it is pravintx@gmail.com. Thanks
I have a necchi lycia 522. Needle hits front of shuttle. Help please. 😊
I have a singer creative touch fashion machine 1030. can't get the bobbin thread to come up. this was my grandmoms sewing machine.