How to Protect your Ponds from Heron Attacks
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Welcome guys and gals. So in this episode I am being visited multiple times by a Heron unfortunately he has taken a fair few of the fry but now he is being very persistent i have done everything I can to protect the Koi in both ponds
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I won't waffle too long about all my thoughts and how and why I've protected my pond how I have (here's my vid tho: czcams.com/video/D9KPPnjtXLk/video.html ), basically I use a fence right at edge of the pond, to stop them getting in a position to hunt, won't be to everyone's tastes or work with every pond/herons. But I will just hsare my immediate thoughts just after watching your video.
Firstly, there's no ethical way of scaring a heron off permenantly, and probably not unethical ones either, being wild animals they will inevitably take risks to find food, and us shouty humans aren't that scary. The heron in your video had a pretty large motivation as it had already got some fry, so as far as it was concerned it was well worth it to keep on coming back. Part of a heron's hunting process is to land nearby and check out both how to get the fish, and if there are any risk factors, so its plan was to just repeat the first stage of hunting until you weren't around.
Secondly, once you feel you have a pretty good prevention system, I wouldn't even try to scare them off initially. I'd watch them right up until the point you think they're about to defeat you system. This will do three things, one, show you were the weakness is if there is one, two, show you how this particular heron problem-solves (basically there's no system, including electronic shock cables that haven't been beaten by one heron somewhere in the world, but some herons are better than others at working it out, and three, if you don't have to scare it off and it can't find a way to get the fish that's the best deterrent of them all. It will keep coming back, but eventually will have to give up. My system has defeated my local herons, and although I see them occassionally on houses nearby (once or twice a year) and flying high overhead (like you I'm on a flight path) I haven't had one come anywhere near my pond or even in my garden for about 2 years (that I know, obvs)
Thirdly, herons do hunt in the dark, especially just before day break.
Finally, have you had a heron land on your main pond's net? Although birds;s tend to be light for their size, like you say, herons are big old animals, I'd guess if one did it'd pull the net down, especially near the cross beams or edges of the pond. I think they weigh a max of 2.5kg, so it mgiht be worth putting something of that weight on different parts of the net and seeing how low it stretches/gives?
That my friend is some fantastic advice I have pinned your comment so everyone can see it incase they are suffering with the same thing and I've followed your channel for years so I've actually seen that video but thank you for the great words of wisdom 👍😊
Put a thin metal wire around the pond on poles about 18ins high as near to the edge as possible, apparently they won’t step over it to enter the water. It has worked for me. 🤞
Nice one thanks bud 👍
The old pond guard electric fence worked a treat on my old pond.
On my old ladys pond i put fishing wire around the perimeter about a foot high after a heron wiped the pond out, thats worked a treat.
Thanks bud some great ideas I'm just gunna stick with the net at the moment he can't get past it so he ain't getting anymore so hopefully he gives up soon 😕
Sorry about the heron problem Jamie, I too have a regular heron visitor, I live a few hundred yards from a reservoir and nature reserve, as well as the Thames, so there are lots of them near to me, so I have just been sorting out my main pond protection, near to being complete today, I think the only way to have peace of mind is to build something permanent, so I have now built screening at about 1.5M high and streched a net over it, just got to do the netted curtain now on the main viewing side, good luck with sorting your heron, best wishes, Tony😀
Thanks Tony yeh same as me then I'm 5 mins from the river Nene and ferry meadows reservoir nature reserve so yeh this net is staying he ain't getting anymore so hopefully he gives up 🤞🤞
Hi Jamie, I’ve had one visit last week. A Kerry Blue is a reasonable deterrent but he’s not always in the garden. So £250 ish on a Velda laser guard, a reflective floating ball, a rather nice looking decoy and one the things that shoots a jet of water which is not yet installed. The Laser Guard is top technology, strobes a white LED, barks and squawks, fires a green laser which looks like a disco ball. The only downer is it doesn’t appear that you can adjust the range which means my flag iris’s on a windy day set it off barking and squawking so I have had to turn the audible off. If I ever decide the only option is to net my pond then I will shut it down as the pond is part of the garden rather than a pond for koi and netting would spoil the look of the garden. I have uploaded a short video
Thanks bud ill check it out yeh I think I might go the pergola route 😕
evening Jamie
you can buy the Velda Laser Guard Heron Deterrent but at almost £200 it's a lot of money, there might be other cheaper options than this but for now, the wood and odd bits you have used should do the trick.
I can almost be certain he will be back at first light, all the best mate
Hi, I bought one of these superb technology apart from it doesn’t appear that you can adjust the range, I’m not sure how many people have 12 metres to protect. I have had to turn the audible off as my flag iris moves in the wind and starts it off squawking and barking pissing everyone off. Have uploaded a short video🤓
@@edlesboroughkoipondstevech3546 Have you seen it actually working to deter the Herons by any chance.
Yeh I've just been looking at them I think with all the pigeons and other birds we get it would never stop unfortunately and there's all the trees on windy days 😕
I feel your pain Jamie, I had a persistent heron last spring. All day he kept returning, hence why I've got the big netted frame over my pond now. I only have to take the frame off for maintenance jobs, and he flies over to check 😭
Little buggers ain't they 😕 we'll he ain't getting anymore so I hope he gives up and buggers off 🤞
All winter I've had a huge pyramid net over my pond....
once my bull rush's start to grow I removed the net, haven't seen him so far this year...
Yeh I haven't seen it for a while now as well 🤞🤞🤞
I can feel your pain & exasperation at that persistent little ba$T@rd!! 😢
I agree with you, a net is the best solution. I love the idea that Jill & John at Wayside Koi have with their decking pond (think I’ll do same with my new koi pond build). Has a roof on it and they stretch screen netting across all 4 sides on cords. They can open them from hooks if need to do maintenance etc and then securely closes it up. I have herons fly overhead too so a constant worry! But so far the raised netting currently does the trick and I haven’t lost anything …. Knock on wood! Hope he just buggers off!! 😊🤗
Yes that is a great idea I've actually been contemplating doing the same thing once the other pond is finished as I'm still paying for that at the moment 🤣
They really are talented hunters .. I put out a vid on them last year
I have the fence. They will land on roofs and hop down. .
If it's a full moon they will feed all night
Thanks Stubbs duly noted I didn't know that but they ain't getting past this net but just wish he'd give up now 😕
Fishing wire across the length of your garden creating a lid type effect . Works, so far, for us and we back onto a river. They are relentless never give up and will come very early in morning too.
Thanks bud although this one hasn't been here in the morning only after 3pm must be a late sleeper 🤣🤣😉
Feel your pain - they’re such persistent buggers! I had to construct a temporary netting on bamboo vertical fence around part of of my pond before it gave up.
Yeh 8 times in less than 4 hours is very persistent little bugger but yeh he ain't getting anymore now so I hope he gives up soon 👍
Hi jamie, we had trouble with an heron, and kept coming back, we had to put fishing line from the top of 1 side of fence to the other all the way up the garden, touch wood 😮, not had a visit the past year and half. Its a pain to do but better then keeping your ponds closed in. 👍
Thanks bud I'm taller than my fence so I'd have to make something higher to attach it to 🤔 it can't get anymore fish so I'm hoping it gives up soon 🤞
Good luck j, thing ov nightmares, probably best i dont giv my suggestion mate, but u can imagine my thoughts Good luck again mate, cheers Terry,
Thanks Terry yeh many people have had the same thoughts 😕
So persistent they are , good luck ,at least the ponds are protected
Thanks bud yeh they are now can't believe how many fry are gone tho 😕
All you need to do is put a bit of sea fishing line about 1 or 2ft high from the top of your main pond fixed to the posts all the way round and the Heron can't get up there, works a treat on mine
Thanks bud although that is a great deterrent ya can't beat a net but yeh I will be doing even more to protect them 👍
plastic herons work really well as a decoy.
Thanks bud yeh they do but I have a fake owl that works even better 😉
Smart bird's, they will test everything you do. Try air horn every time it comes back. One that sounds like a battleship horn 😂 I'm a bit lucky at min, crows keep nesting near my house so every time heron comes around they mob it an go crazy! Never ad one keep coming back tho. Do you know anyone with a air gun 😂
Haha air gun 🤣 if only 😉 but yeh I like the air horn idea 💡 although it's not been back now for over a week so fingers crossed it's got the message 🤞
Hopefully bud
@@kevinbentley8351 🤞🤞🤞
I had trouble with herons until I put the trellis up Jamie it scare the fish and stresses them out so much feel for you. The ones I’ve had came at 5.30 in a morning get a big dog
Thanks Carol appreciate it yeh I may build a pergola over it but the net will stop him getting any more 👍 let's hope he gives up soon 🤞
have you tried the 'scarecrow sprinkler bird/heron/creature deterrent?
I bought a ring camera and put it 😊on tree near the pond. 5.30 in the morning my phone goes off. I rushed down must have taken a minute. As soon as he saw me he flew off. Good, I thought at least it didn’t get a koi. Wrong! Looked back at the recording and there it was guzzling down one of my Koi 🙈. Mind you I should have known, the name of my road is Heron Close. 😂.
Awww man sorry bud yeh it's not nice but he ain't having anymore out of my pond so I'm hoping he gives up 🤞
Good luck Jamie, hope you manage to sort it soon……🤞🏼
Thanks Andy yeh got a lazer pen and a few other ideas to try 👍🤞
Sorry your having trouble with the heron have you tried the water jet like wrighty uses that might help you. Sorry for the loss of your fry. I don’t have my big pond covered I will be having a look at doing something but going to extend my pond another 2 blocks and make a shallow part for lilies then enclose it in some how health permitting. Keep doing what you do.
Hey bud unfortunately I only have one hose and I need it for the trickle in I actually have one of those sensor jets in the shed somewhere but I need the hose on the trickle in because of the drum
@@keepingitkoi I have my trickle in and have a Y connector on my outdoor tap so I can use the hose in the garden and for my jet wash might be something to think about and make use of it. Sorry it’s late responding it’s the only time I get to watch and my health problems make it difficult to sleep today it a bad day for me and hope tomorrow is better as I need to get my pod cleaned I wish I could afford the auto for the pod but it’s well out the budget so will have to plod on like I do.
@jamieskoipond hope you feel better soon bud I have an auto unit for sale at the moment drop me a privet message bud 👍
They even come during darkness and will have a go at the fish through the netting pull some fishing line across the garden should help
Thanks bud yeh I know that's why I said the net needs to be well raised off the pond like mine 👍 but yeh need to do abit more cos he's still visiting he hasn't had any more but he not buggering off either lol
Make some blocks with a 45 deg slot and drop some perspex so the heron cant land or get a foothold??.
That's a great idea bud 👍
Advise you have a clear out first and foremost so you can enjoy the koi without all the clutter in your yard. Then, construct a pergola over the pond and have curtain net 2” holes around the pond. They are persistent I’ve been wiped out before now but with the roof over and the curtain they don’t come near for 3 yrs now.
Thanks bud yeh if I didn't have a temporary vat and a pond build on the go the garden would be tidy but I guess you haven't seen I'm in the middle of another pond build 👍 but yeh it can't get through the net over the main pond there was just a few gaps in the fry vat which are now covered as you saw in the video 👍
Lazer pen works a treat and also put sharp ejects on top off fence and any roof you can get to so it harder for it to land?
Nice one bud yeh I have a military lazer pen and yeh some spikes might be a good idea 👍
nightmare.
i used to ge tthe heron take mine, saw footprints in the snow. now i use fishing line all round my pond. one line 6 inch up , another line another 6 inch up. heron never been back to take fish.
Yeh big nightmare 😔 he ain't getting past the net though and now he can't get at the fry vat either thank god but I'd guess he got about 100 fry 😔
I live in Hampton and had Dailey visits when someone suggested a croc head floating in water some that and hasn’t been back since
Also my dad believes in a bamboo deer scarer
Thanks I don't know about the crock but the bamboo is a good idea 👍
Catapult the art is to aim at a neighbours house you don't like and if you miss the heron you've got a fair chance of winging one of those said neighbours..here to help 😁😁
Haha 😄 I like it 👌 😄
A pergola may help Jamie thats what ive done as when they fly over they can't see the pond 🚀🚀👍👍
Yes mate that's my thoughts exactly but it will have to wait till the new pond is finished 👍
Net the whole garden for a while from fence to fence and shed if it knows can't get in it will lose interest good luck
Thanks bud yeh that would have to be some net my gardens huge but it would certainly work 👍
Blast it with the hosepipe or a big super soaker
Can't get close enough not it flies off as soon as it sees me but it can't get the fish anymore so hoping it gives up 🤞
I would say a gun ,but not legal ,gin traps , but cat gut strung across everything deters them ,find someone who can despatch it for you ,or get electric fences for all the ponds , also those sails that can be stung up are useful cover ups, sadly that one knows you have small very edible fish and he will keep coming back , I too live on a flight path and they are a bloody nuisance , I have 2 dogs a lab cross and a lurcher they rarely land any more.
Yeh I've got a few ideas I'm gunna try 👍😊 thanks
There’s some videos on here showing a sprinkler system on a sensor looks the business, not on the price. Believe it or not I live less than a mile from a wetlands massive it is and full of Herrons and not once have I had an issue in 5/6 years of keeping koi. I see the fly over the house regularly too my be I am just lucky
Yeh I'm next to a massive reservoir nature reserve fed by the river nene been here 12 years now seen load but this is the first time one has stopped by so never say never 🤞
I found that hanging dirty underwear on the line helps 😅
🤣🤣🤣🤣 men's or women's 🤣🤣🤣🤣
In my experience, I found they arrive very early in the morning, first light, found on cameras, once they find you you’ve got them I’m afraid
This one only seems to come in the afternoons after 3pm 🤔 must be a late sleeper 🤣
Do what your not supposed to do Jamie 😉😉 🤫🤫
Gunna try other methods first but if carrys on 😡🤞
@@keepingitkoi Good luck 👍
@Steve_1970 thanks bud 🤞👍
Thanks! Jamie, A little something to help with any additional netting or whatever you need to keep that heron away or barricade your fry tank!!! Good luck!! 👍🏻🍀
Wow Maureen 😍 that is so kind of you yes I will need a new net on the main pond as he has been poking holes in it 😡 thank you so much 😊🥳
@@keepingitkoi You’re so welcome! Gosh they really are tenacious little creatures! Yes definitely get a strong net!! 😊
I have 1 keeps popping to my pond Its had some of my fry and shubunkin ...just run out in you're birthday suit that will see it off 😂😂😂😂😂
Haha that would scare the fish to death to seeing me in me birthday suit 🤣🤣🤣
Jamie wouldn’t it be best to see his tactics accomplishments on the pursuit of getting grub but yr Fry 😓 Other than that Pigeon 🥧 😅
Ps I did comment before watching the entire episode 😅 and looks like you’ve covered all angles for the pesty thief
Yeh thanks bud bloody thing 😡
He's becoming a serious pain in my backside 😡
Only thing that comes to mind 🤔 Jamie is dog 🐕 in the garden. Hope you solve the problem soon 🤞 ⛩🐟⛩
Thanks Cesca but I don't know if our Nala would even scare it 🤣 it could probably eat our dog as she's smaller then the fish 🤣
@@keepingitkoi your comment made me laugh 🤣😂
@@CescaTheDarkHorse hehe true though 🤣
There a bloody nightmare 😮
Yeh tell me about it 😕
My Jack Russell's won't let any bird land in the garden. Nothing comes near.
Yeh Nala chases the pigeons but not sure she'd scare a heron 🤣
It won't go away one u got pond and it kown it they they won't go don't thunk they any u keep them away a part from put koi in door m8 it's a pain
Thanks 👍
I went out with a tall bird once 😅, shoot the bugger 😅
Haha I prefer shorter birds personally 🤣
I can remember when I built my first pond. Lost all my fish to one . One thing after another mate. Hope it buggers off and leaves your pond alone.
Thanks bud yeh last year was poison, the year before bacteria and this year a flipping herons does it ever end 🤣
@@keepingitkoi it makes you feel like that , makes you wonder if you can carry on, but I’m sure you’ll sort it. I was thinking of trying one of those sensor water sprayer that’s triggered when anything comes close. Good luck matey
@@StokeKoiAdventures I have one in the back of the shed somewhere 🤣🤣
@@keepingitkoi I had heard they work ok, was thinking of trying. One. Myself
@StokeKoiAdventures yeh unfortunately if I turn that on then I lose my trickle in and the the drum would empty the pond 😕
Aup budd now it knows there's fish it will be back. Break of daylight it will be there.
It's been here 3 days now but only in the late afternoon must be a late sleeper 🤣🤣
Shoot rockets at it , tried everything over the years but unless you do a jasper carrott on it you will have no peace .
Thanks Tina yeh I will think of something 😉😊 👍
use a full auto BB gun with metal bb
That would work 👍 although not aloud 😕
@@keepingitkoi just don’t tell anybody
@@kevinwhite1077 hehe 😅
crossbow
If only
A loud horn !
Oooh that's a good one not tried that one maybe I'll get me an air horn thanks 😊👍
@@keepingitkoi that’s what I meant but could not bring the name when sending the recommendation at that time.
@micheler3011 well I'm definitely gunna give it a go I've tried everything else 😊👍
Exter fine next so can't get frow it I sell some m8
Yeh it's already netted ot can't get through 👍
I use a laser pen, shine in the eyes they don't come back
Yeh dave said that on Sunday so I got my military lazer out of my fishing tackle I use it on ducks eating my bait 🤣 just not had a chance to use it yet 😉👍
@@keepingitkoi not a bad idea 👍
@alancurtis1388 that's what I thought 😊👍
Get an Eagle on a whip ...can't add pics on here hope you get what I mean lol 🐟
Yes I do know exactly what ya mean bud yeh good idea 👍
Don't even have the net on anymore
My net ain't going anywhere anytime soon 🤣
Herons do swim like a duck I've got video of one doing it on mine
Thanks for the info 👍
Sorry you have had problems with a heron
Thanks Joyce yeh he's had a fair few fry 😕
Leave the dog outside, that works 😂
It would probably eat my dog 🤣 she's smaller than the koi 🤣🤣🤣
Need to shoot that one and stuff it and use it to scare others off... Unfortunately they are protected so you cant
Haha I like ya thinking tho although buying a fake heron is cheaper than buying the gun 🤣👍
Get ur self a Paint ball gun
Lol yes that could work 😉👍
Hope not your grow n show from Eden koi 🙃
No I saw the karashigoi today thank god 😊
@@keepingitkoi that’s good news, I lost my karashigoi to a heron but did get a replacement 👍
@rouseco.2304 nice one I lost the kohaku to a bacterial issue and never got a replacement 😕
B*stard things!!! Nothing ethical/ legal to suggest dude, all ready given my suggestion other day ......look to be pretty securely covered, so waiting game to see/hope it gives up
Thanks bud yeh absolutely 🤞🤞🤞🤞
Don't talk with your mouth full
Haha sorry it wasn't full by the time the camera was rolling 😜