Skywagon University is my fav channel. Marks sense of humour, vast knowledge and genuine keen interest comes across so well and is engaging. The scene at Placerville is so quiet..it's like the aircraft come here for a holiday and care by an avid aviation steward, with thier best interests at heart. If aircraft could talk, they'd do so at Placerville.
4:49 That made me jump like crazy! I'm planting peanuts alone in a tractor and all of a sudden somebody calls my name from the right corner of the cab! I wonder if I would have even noticed the dub over if my name wasn't Chris...
Mark, I’m not a pilot, but a life-long aviation enthusiast. Thoroughly enjoy your videos and learn so much. I know there aren’t a lot of them out there, but would love to see a Cessna 190/195 video. Keep up the wonderful videos. Thanks.
Makes my day when Mark puts out another video! I'd listen to this guy if he was selling turnips :) Good stuff as always -- learning about the Wren was very interesting.
YES this would B the perfect Machine 2 fly around in the Amazon !! Real short dirt strips with big old trees at the end !! However I would prefer a 285 hp may B for the extra boost !! Thanks 4 the demonstration and fly Safe !! ❤❤😅😅
@Skywagon University, hey Mark, sorry buddy, you've got the action of the canard backward. When you pull back on the yolk the elevator's trailing edge goes up which produces downward lift which causes the nose to rise (the elevator/horizontal tail is aft of the Center of Gravity (CG), the nose is forward of the CG, and the aircraft in flight rotates about the CG). Also when you pull back on the yolk the canard trailing edge goes down which produces upward lift raising the nose and lowering the tail (the nose is ahead of the CG, the tail is behind the CG). Always remember: 1. A control surface will increase lift opposite the direction the surface moves, and 2. the aircraft always rotates (in all 3 axes) about the CG. So if the elevator leading edge is pointed up the tail goes down which causes the nose to go up. In this case the canard and horizontal tail/elevator are working together to move the nose in the same direction, not opposite one another. Hope this helps! And, thanks for the walkaround of this unique airplane!
I owned a 62 172C model 1501Y for 10 yrs. A very forgiving and safe aircraft stock. I still love the manual flaps, no rear window, and spring steel gear. Amazing takeoff performance considering only 145 hp. Really miss that bird..
I hope Juan Browne has tuned in to this video. I'm sure he'd love it. Juan is a lifelong aircraft enthusiast, private pilot, former military pilot, and current 777 pilot for AA. Also a licensed A & P mechanic. What a sweet aircraft this Wren is.
I had the pleasure of flying a Wren in 1974; a very fun airplane. I instructed at a Cessna dealer and the one that I flew, had REVERSE thrust! Yes, after touchdown there was a prop control that could be activated, that pitched the prop into reverse! Cool airplane!
The canard lifts the nose when you pitch up, increasing elevator authority at low speed. Similar effect as the flying tail that trims nose up with more flaps.
When the tail drives the wing to high coeffecient of lift, the wing pitches down more than stock, so you need more UP. He forgets the canard is forward of the aerodynamic center.
I'm a geek radio engineer and a long time non-flying GA pilot. I love Mark's channel. I wonder why? The Wren and the King Katmai are amazing 182s. A perfect Idaho and New Zealand mountains airstrip machine! I also love the inbuilt camping beverage bar tops at the front. They're fabulous for gathering around with fellow aviators to share those stories of landing on ridiculously short "postage stamp" airstrips! Cheers from NZL, David :)
Thanks David. That is exactly what it is for. The prop always seems to stop vertically at 12 and 6 so it is very convenient for not having to move it out of the way when using the canard for non-aviation related beverage support activities.
Excellent Mark, Excellent! We would happily watch an Hour or More of this Brilliant content. Time enough for more Aircraft facts, more personal stories, more flying, let yourself go!
May your grandfather's memory be a blessing. I'm sure he would have a good laugh from your remark about his plane! Regarding THIS plane, I was unaware that the Wren existed. What big flaps it has! Thanks for showing, you do such a good job explaining.
That was amazing! Thank you for the details about the wings, tail, canard, and all the add-on bits! I've seen images of the Katmi's but didn't know how it all worked together!
Remember that the Katmai does not have all this wing fandangery. Katmais are wet winged 182's with IO-550 engines and extended wings and the canard. Only Wrens have these wings and there were only about 54 built between 1963 and 1965. About 33 survive in captivity today and none are breeding. This one is the first production model ever. Wrens and Katmais are two separate planes with the commonality of the canard.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Thank you, Mark! Yes, I recall you explaining how the Katmai's aren't really the same, and the Wrens and this particular one - is really unique. I love airplanes!
I looked at the thumbnail and saw a 172. Then I read that it's a Wren. I thought Nooooo wayy. This is a 172, then I saw canards, and I thought why are there canards on a 172?? What's going on??? This is the first time I've heard of the Wren. I gotta hand it to you Mark, you're a walking encyclopedia on GA. A full on expert!! If I'm in the market for a GA plane, you'd be the one I want to consult.
Watched a couple guy's showing off in one of these on a Hot morning at the Compton Airport (1980 )Takeoff , Stall and Fly low over our hanger and CRASH..... guess they thought the plane was invincible.... maybe them also... other than that I sure love this plane.
I was luck enough to fly P2-UIH at Wewak, PNG in July, 1989. Beautiful plane. Possibly owned by Wirui Air Services. N3556F 1967 Wren Aircraft Corp 460/182J C/N 38460182/18257556. One registered in Australia now, VH-AIE.
Love, love STOL capable birds, and Wrens and Katmais are some of the finest. I see this one's remained in Arizona. You should bring your fine narration and sense of detail to a Wilga, if you can get your hands on one. =) Great walkaround!
G,day Mark at Skywagon University from Sydney Australia. Yes, very unique plane. I missed, or don't understand the purpose of the airflow space between the tails fuselage and elevators? Always pleased to get your CZcams channel content. 🌏🇦🇺
Mark, I (and I’m sure many others) would love to hear about you and your story. How did you come to be in the States, your flying career, were you in the military? Etc
Have to agree with TRabbit1970 - which is that the cannard's effect on pitch is exactly the opposite of how you explained it. Never mind - love these videos nonetheless.
The canard "says no the nose does not go up" when you pull back on the stick? Check that again. The control surface on the canard goes down when pulling back on the stick, INCREASNG the camber on the canard. So the canards create MORE lift. That means the canards will fly "up" and also lift the nose".
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Yes, Aeroplane Monthly had an article about it around 1975. I personally liked it best with the ABC engine - believe they didn't have the best reputation, those engines.
6:24 if I understand this correctly, if the the yoke is pulled back the canard moves down but because it is located at the front of the airplane it will help lifting the nose up. Is that correct?
I geek out a bit too much sometimes. The Hendy Hobo was raced in the thirties and even won a few. It had a GW of 650 Lbs (when humans weighed 150 Lbs) and could do 125 MPH. There was only one built and it was destroyed by the Germans in a bombing raid in 1935 at Lympne Airfield in Southern England. It was designed and built by Edgar Percival of Percival Mew Gull fame. It's reg was G-AAIG. I have a little cast metal model of it from back then. BTW, if you want to read a stunningly good series of two books, read "The flight of the Mew Gull" and it's direct sequel, "The sigh of the Merlin" by Alex Henshaw. Both read as one book and make "Fate is the hunter" look average.
Dayum! If I had a spare OneEighty, I would buy that there bird right off'n you right now! Ticks a lot of boxes! Rare. Unique. Competent. Low miles. Super tidy. Clockwork Steam Gauges. SuperDuperStol.
Don't you have the Canard & Elevator aerodynamic control of pitch, in the wrong sense? Seems to me when the elevator is up dropping the tail down and pitching the plane nose up, the Canard is down increasing lift and likewise also pitching the Nose Up. As control surfaces they work together in terms of aerodynamic control of pitch.
Thanks for this. I have never heard of a Wren. I own a 182E. Jealous of the beverage holder. Love your channel. Interestingly my E model has the texas skyways 470U as well.
This guy has a complete misunderstanding on how the card works. It's obvious that when the elevator goes up (The aircraft goes nose up) The flap on the canard goes down meaning that helps the nose of the aircraft go up. This is not what the commentator said as he doesn't understand the relationship of the trailing edge of the canard to the pitch of the aircraft.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Thanks. Just for reference, my 185 has a useful load of just over 1700# and an approach speed when light of 50 MPH/43 Kts (Sportsman cuff, ART wing extensions and VG’s). It is based at a 5400’ airport with a 1400’ runway. Coming back from AK last summer at 11,500 the TAS was 150-155 MPH and the fuel flow was 9.5 GPH (GAMI’s and electronic ignition). I will soon have a LyCon overhauled, 350 HP IO-520. A good, properly kitted Skywagon 185 kind of puts the Wren (and most other aircraft) into perspective.
It was a Wren from new in 1963. The 63 182 cost $18,000 back then. If you bought it as a Wren conversion like this, it cost $48,000. That is why only 50 something were made.
It's like a Cessna hanging out with Burt Rutan too much
Yes, some kind of LongEZ milkman in the Cessna factory in 1963.
Skywagon University is my fav channel. Marks sense of humour, vast knowledge and genuine keen interest comes across so well and is engaging. The scene at Placerville is so quiet..it's like the aircraft come here for a holiday and care by an avid aviation steward, with thier best interests at heart. If aircraft could talk, they'd do so at Placerville.
Thank you, very kind.
Thanks Mike…. Great sale. Seamless purchase!!!!!!
Thanks Ralph. You got a unique one there.
Excellent to put an ice cold beer and share with friends!
4:49 That made me jump like crazy! I'm planting peanuts alone in a tractor and all of a sudden somebody calls my name from the right corner of the cab! I wonder if I would have even noticed the dub over if my name wasn't Chris...
Ha ha sorry. We dubbed that in because I got the name wrong.
As always very well done. I always learn something .
Thank You,
Doug Latch
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you I found it later that day
Wow, fascinating. Never knew these existed. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed!
Mark, I’m not a pilot, but a life-long aviation enthusiast. Thoroughly enjoy your videos and learn so much. I know there aren’t a lot of them out there, but would love to see a Cessna 190/195 video. Keep up the wonderful videos. Thanks.
I'm trying to arrange a 195. They are great planes.
58 years old - I hope I look that good at 58 - that's a sweet looking plane!
You and me both!
Makes my day when Mark puts out another video! I'd listen to this guy if he was selling turnips :) Good stuff as always -- learning about the Wren was very interesting.
Turnips for sale... roll up, roll up, get 'em while they are fresh, two for a dollar. etc. Thanks,.
YES this would B the perfect Machine 2 fly around in the Amazon !! Real short dirt strips with big old trees at the end !! However I would prefer a 285 hp may B for the extra boost !! Thanks 4 the demonstration and fly Safe !! ❤❤😅😅
first one i ever seen ,,,60 years old ,1963 ,,the year i was born ,,,not a bad looking plane ,itll make a good model ,
They only made a few and that is the earliest one.
@Skywagon University, hey Mark, sorry buddy, you've got the action of the canard backward. When you pull back on the yolk the elevator's trailing edge goes up which produces downward lift which causes the nose to rise (the elevator/horizontal tail is aft of the Center of Gravity (CG), the nose is forward of the CG, and the aircraft in flight rotates about the CG). Also when you pull back on the yolk the canard trailing edge goes down which produces upward lift raising the nose and lowering the tail (the nose is ahead of the CG, the tail is behind the CG). Always remember: 1. A control surface will increase lift opposite the direction the surface moves, and 2. the aircraft always rotates (in all 3 axes) about the CG. So if the elevator leading edge is pointed up the tail goes down which causes the nose to go up. In this case the canard and horizontal tail/elevator are working together to move the nose in the same direction, not opposite one another. Hope this helps! And, thanks for the walkaround of this unique airplane!
Yes true I did.
I owned a 62 172C model 1501Y for 10 yrs. A very forgiving and safe aircraft stock. I still love the manual flaps, no rear window, and spring steel gear. Amazing takeoff performance considering only 145 hp. Really miss that bird..
I hope Juan Browne has tuned in to this video. I'm sure he'd love it. Juan is a lifelong
aircraft enthusiast, private pilot, former military pilot, and current 777 pilot for AA. Also a licensed A & P mechanic. What a sweet aircraft this Wren is.
Juan is my Buddy. He got me into this whole CZcams thing.
I had the pleasure of flying a Wren in 1974; a very fun airplane. I instructed at a Cessna dealer and the one that I flew, had
REVERSE thrust! Yes, after touchdown there was a prop control that could be activated, that pitched the prop into reverse!
Cool airplane!
That one used to have that too. Not sure why it was removed.
The Flap button is primarily there to off load the flaps during takeoff, once at a safe altitude.
Easy access
Always enjoy your videos. Keep them coming.
learned something new ! Thank you.
Thanks for the sharing of knowledge! Very well explained, loved the details of it! Keep them coming!
Hi Mark
thanks Again
cheers David
Very welcome
I like the way these boring(for usual persons, not aviators) things are explained. Mark’s sense of humor is outstanding
Thanks. Sometimes I think I go on a bit much and even bore myself, but if it is popular I'll do it more.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 please, do it more🤝😎
Thank you for another interesting video!
Glad you liked it, CadMan!
BEUTIFUL PLANE!!! way awesome thanks for showing us!
Such a great Aviation history video. Thank you for taking time to make it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Beautiful plane!
Beautiful masterpiece
Glad you think so!
Great video, Mark.
Okay, this plane is just awesome. I'm in love with this thing.
Great channel. Thank you very much.
Our pleasure!
Top notch. The thriller. What more could you want? A Coupe de Ville that wants to fly at 35! All that's missing is the tow hitch.
The canard lifts the nose when you pitch up, increasing elevator authority at low speed. Similar effect as the flying tail that trims nose up with more flaps.
When the tail drives the wing to high coeffecient of lift, the wing pitches down more than stock, so you need more UP. He forgets the canard is forward of the aerodynamic center.
Outstanding video as always Mark. Very educational. Beautiful airplane. Thank you!
Thanks.
I'm a geek radio engineer and a long time non-flying GA pilot. I love Mark's channel. I wonder why? The Wren and the King Katmai are amazing 182s.
A perfect Idaho and New Zealand mountains airstrip machine! I also love the inbuilt camping beverage bar tops at the front. They're fabulous for gathering around with fellow aviators to share those stories of landing on ridiculously short "postage stamp" airstrips! Cheers from NZL, David :)
Thanks David. That is exactly what it is for. The prop always seems to stop vertically at 12 and 6 so it is very convenient for not having to move it out of the way when using the canard for non-aviation related beverage support activities.
This is a great video, thanks for sharing!
Glad it was helpful!
Nice and informative!! Thanks mark
Glad you liked it!
Great job as usual Mark!
Sweet bird!
Merry Christmas!
Thanks, you too!
Awesome as always!
Thanks.
Fantastic interesting video. Wow what a history on that bird.
Glad you enjoyed it
This rings a very small bell for me - thanks for bringing this one on the tube. :bow:
My pleasure!
Excellent Mark, Excellent! We would happily watch an Hour or More of this Brilliant content. Time enough for more Aircraft facts, more personal stories, more flying, let yourself go!
Thank you very much.
The mind behind,all that technology surpriseme,inovation at the most,thanks For the video
You are absolutely right. Someone had a very big brain.
Awesome as usual.
Thanks again!
Excellent stuff bro
Much appreciated
May your grandfather's memory be a blessing. I'm sure he would have a good laugh from your remark about his plane! Regarding THIS plane, I was unaware that the Wren existed. What big flaps it has! Thanks for showing, you do such a good job explaining.
Thanks for that
That was amazing! Thank you for the details about the wings, tail, canard, and all the add-on bits! I've seen images of the Katmi's but didn't know how it all worked together!
Remember that the Katmai does not have all this wing fandangery. Katmais are wet winged 182's with IO-550 engines and extended wings and the canard. Only Wrens have these wings and there were only about 54 built between 1963 and 1965. About 33 survive in captivity today and none are breeding. This one is the first production model ever. Wrens and Katmais are two separate planes with the commonality of the canard.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Thank you, Mark! Yes, I recall you explaining how the Katmai's aren't really the same, and the Wrens and this particular one - is really unique. I love airplanes!
Astonishing!
I looked at the thumbnail and saw a 172.
Then I read that it's a Wren. I thought Nooooo wayy. This is a 172, then I saw canards, and I thought why are there canards on a 172?? What's going on??? This is the first time I've heard of the Wren.
I gotta hand it to you Mark, you're a walking encyclopedia on GA. A full on expert!! If I'm in the market for a GA plane, you'd be the one I want to consult.
Thank you.
Watched a couple guy's showing off in one of these on a Hot morning at the Compton Airport (1980 )Takeoff , Stall and Fly low over our hanger and CRASH..... guess they thought the plane was invincible.... maybe them also... other than that I sure love this plane.
They need respect like any plane and they crash just as well and any plane.
Not familiar with the Wren. This is truly fascinating. Appreciate the channel and the content.
Thanks for watching!
Very good, really fine history Mark.I'm retired A@P IA and was never aware of this aircraft .
They are not very common.
Loved it , 👍🙂
Glad you enjoyed it
@@skywagonuniversity5023 always, each and every one of your videos .
I was luck enough to fly P2-UIH at Wewak, PNG in July, 1989. Beautiful plane. Possibly owned by Wirui Air Services.
N3556F 1967 Wren Aircraft Corp 460/182J C/N 38460182/18257556. One registered in Australia now, VH-AIE.
Quite a few Wrens went to Australia.
Love, love STOL capable birds, and Wrens and Katmais are some of the finest. I see this one's remained in Arizona.
You should bring your fine narration and sense of detail to a Wilga, if you can get your hands on one. =)
Great walkaround!
If we can get one in, we'll be sure to make that video. Thanks for watching!
I fly this plane every week. Fun to fly. Slow but you can land and stop on a dime.
How do you get to fly it.
Impressive
Mark, explanation of the canard control sense might need a revisit please 🧐
G,day Mark at Skywagon University from Sydney Australia.
Yes, very unique plane. I missed, or don't understand the purpose of the airflow space between the tails fuselage and elevators?
Always pleased to get your CZcams channel content.
🌏🇦🇺
G'day. The tail moves with the flaps so that the horizontal is presented correctly for the new configuration without having to use extremes of trim.
Mark, I (and I’m sure many others) would love to hear about you and your story. How did you come to be in the States, your flying career, were you in the military? Etc
I do not have much of a story, but might be able to tell it soon on a long flight when bored.
*That canard!*
Have to agree with TRabbit1970 - which is that the cannard's effect on pitch is exactly the opposite of how you explained it. Never mind - love these videos nonetheless.
Yes, you are right.
The canard "says no the nose does not go up" when you pull back on the stick? Check that again. The control surface on the canard goes down when pulling back on the stick, INCREASNG the camber on the canard. So the canards create MORE lift. That means the canards will fly "up" and also lift the nose".
You are 100% correct. Thank you.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Thanks for your vids. LOved the one on the rifle stock polishing. Nice to see someone with "good hands" at work!
must be fun to rig up
Once. then not.
When you talked about the original Wren, I had expected to see the English Electric one, not the almost forgotten Hendy Hobo.
You mean you knew about the Hendy Hobo?
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Yes, Aeroplane Monthly had an article about it around 1975.
I personally liked it best with the ABC engine - believe they didn't have the best reputation, those engines.
New sub ! Liked 🙏👍😊
Thanks for the sub
looks to me like pulling back : elevator pushes the noes up and so does the canard
Yes you are right about that well spotted.
6:24 if I understand this correctly, if the the yoke is pulled back the canard moves down but because it is located at the front of the airplane it will help lifting the nose up. Is that correct?
I think I got it backwards. The canard assists the elevator.
"Geek information"? Its' ALL geek information! That's why we love this channel. So who was your grandfather?
I geek out a bit too much sometimes. The Hendy Hobo was raced in the thirties and even won a few. It had a GW of 650 Lbs (when humans weighed 150 Lbs) and could do 125 MPH. There was only one built and it was destroyed by the Germans in a bombing raid in 1935 at Lympne Airfield in Southern England. It was designed and built by Edgar Percival of Percival Mew Gull fame. It's reg was G-AAIG. I have a little cast metal model of it from back then. BTW, if you want to read a stunningly good series of two books, read "The flight of the Mew Gull" and it's direct sequel, "The sigh of the Merlin" by Alex Henshaw. Both read as one book and make "Fate is the hunter" look average.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Thanks Mark
Make sure you use a coaster for your beer!!!
I was thinking that when I was imagining holding the can.
Dayum! If I had a spare OneEighty, I would buy that there bird right off'n you right now! Ticks a lot of boxes! Rare. Unique. Competent. Low miles. Super tidy. Clockwork Steam Gauges. SuperDuperStol.
My thoughts exactly
I wonder what the landing roll would be at 4 kts. GS!
Not a lot.
Multi slotted Fowler flaps if I'm not mistaken.
Yes. Exactly.
Can you do a video with a fixed gear Turbo 182R?
I would do one if I had one. There were about 120 made and there are about 67 left.
I just did some work to one of these, but it had regular wings…
That would have been a King Katmai.
Don't you have the Canard & Elevator aerodynamic control of pitch, in the wrong sense? Seems to me when the elevator is up dropping the tail down and pitching the plane nose up, the Canard is down increasing lift and likewise also pitching the Nose Up. As control surfaces they work together in terms of aerodynamic control of pitch.
Yes, you are right about that. Well spotted.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Thank you. Bee in my bonnet, no more. I can straighten up fly right now.
Anyone know what the asking price was? Or what was the sale price?
I sold it twice for under $200K
Maybe you should give it a good home. Let it intimidate your Mooney.
It lands at half the speed of my Mooney, but it is 25 knots slower in cruise. They might get on.
Thanks for this. I have never heard of a Wren. I own a 182E. Jealous of the beverage holder. Love your channel. Interestingly my E model has the texas skyways 470U as well.
Thanks for watching!
What is it selling for in US funds
About $175,000
This guy has a complete misunderstanding on how the card works. It's obvious that when the elevator goes up (The aircraft goes nose up) The flap on the canard goes down meaning that helps the nose of the aircraft go up. This is not what the commentator said as he doesn't understand the relationship of the trailing edge of the canard to the pitch of the aircraft.
Well spotted only number four to see that. Well done.
I wondered what the fuel burn would be.
Just like a 182, so about 12 in cruise.
Can you do a Camanche video
I already did one on a 260.
I’m wondering what the useful load is?
About 900 Lbs
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Thanks. Just for reference, my 185 has a useful load of just over 1700# and an approach speed when light of 50 MPH/43 Kts (Sportsman cuff, ART wing extensions and VG’s). It is based at a 5400’ airport with a 1400’ runway.
Coming back from AK last summer at 11,500 the TAS was 150-155 MPH and the fuel flow was 9.5 GPH (GAMI’s and electronic ignition).
I will soon have a LyCon overhauled, 350 HP IO-520. A good, properly kitted Skywagon 185 kind of puts the Wren (and most other aircraft) into perspective.
More fences than a pawn shop . . can they take skis or floats? (Would you want saltwater anywhere near it?! A beauty : )
Not really a ski or floatplane, at least none ever were.
Wren? Had no idea that was such a plane🤷
It was a Wren from new in 1963. The 63 182 cost $18,000 back then. If you bought it as a Wren conversion like this, it cost $48,000. That is why only 50 something were made.
what is this plain selling for? Just a ball park price will due
I just sold it. Right between $100,000 and $200,000.
I bet you could have pulled back the power and thermaled it.
Nearly.
The canard seemed to be stubby enough to generate significant drag. However, I am an unabashed canard hater.
Yea don’t bring it to my shop please 🫡 just kidding but what a pain in the ass annual that must be. Nobody mentions that. Lol
They are actually not that bad.