Fellow trans girl and also a lesbian here, going into aviation maintenance. "I love aeronautics. I love aerodynamics. I love the plane that is so light and so beautiful that, like- *chuckles* it cannot be handled except by the delicate touch of a lesbian." I have never felt more seen, thank you Alice
Two Paths (with two subpaths): Programmer or Aerosoace engineer: Linux Programmer (Good) - Apple Programmer (Evil) or Civil Aerospace (Good (?)) - Lockheed-Martin (Very Evil)
Having The God Damn News pop up with a congratulation on Liam's marriage and immediately hearing somebody open a beer in the background is the most WTYP thing ever and I am here for it.
I walked into the airport bar after nearly 30 hours of traveling and sat down at a stool near the end. The bartender asked me what I wanted, I asked for a not hazy IPA. She said they had Lagunitas, I said that's perfect. Then she said she'd sell me a shot with the beer for half price, which was their special at the moment, and I immediately blurted out "I love you." This is how I feel when WTYP posts a new episode.
Hbomb didn't want to be that guy, he knows he's too good at being that guy, but he wants peace not war, but they forced him to be that guy, and now the reckoning is happening...
Screw it, let’s run ‘em for president. Liam may be a little too spicy for the big seat, so Rocz for POTUS, Liam for VP, November for Secretary of State?
1:17:33 Alice: "This contains a distinct unmistakable transgender vibe." Devon: "It's probably because everything is a switch out of necessity." Me, a trans woman who identifies as a switch: "Hey!" Congratulations Liam and Rin.
@@AlanCanon2222What are you even doing here? Are you just lurking looking for people to throw grade school insults at? What a sad, meaningless waste of your time.
I had sort of fallen down this rabbit hole, and my thing with the Panera "charged lemonade" is threefold: - First of all, although the amount of labeling and verbal warnings from Panera employees about the drink apparently varies by location, it's crazy to me that it was being kept next to the low-caffeine and decaf drinks. Not only should it be labeled, it should be moved closer to the coffee and caffeinated stuff/to where it's more obvious that it's caffeinated. - Also, Panera apparently has an "unlimited sip club," and the charged lemonade should probably be excluded from that "free refill" program. - Why the fuck is it being sold in a size large? Starbucks allegedly won't sell their nitro brew in whatever they call a size large; why would you not just sell it in smaller cups if you're going to put in that much caffeine? Or just... the Panera company could tweak the formula so that instead of a size large containing 5 Redbulls of caffeine, it contains 1-2 or 1-3 Redbulls of caffeine? I can remember a few years ago when everyone was freaking out about how dangerous energy drinks can be, and this shit is MULTIPLE energy drinks PER SINGLE SERVING. Like, even if you see "charged lemonade" and it says "contains caffeine," I feel like most people would assume "it's probably as much caffeine as iced tea; maybe as much as soda." Not "more caffeine than a Red Bull." Because it's presented as fucking lemonade. The only way normal lemonade has caffeine is if you make an Arnold Palmer with it. Like, just market it as an energy drink. Put it in a dispenser that's stylized to look like it holds an energy drink. Have a special cup for it that's stylized/branded to look like an energy drink. Call it "Panera's energy drink, Charged Lemonade." (Maybe Panera should also have to card you when you try to buy it, although I don't know if that would have helped in these scenarios.) I don't need this shit to be banned, but Panera should be sued because they ever thought this was a safe idea to put on a menu (also, corporations should always be sued). It's like selling a single cocktail with a high enough proof that after one serving, your BAC is too high to legally drive. It's negligent and they should have known better. ("It's like that 10-lb burrito" Yeah, I've heard people make similar arguments, but you don't fatally OD on burritos, fast food, or sugar the way you can fatally OD on caffeine. And no, eating too much sugar doesn't cause diabetes or ketoacidosis; as a type 1 diabetic, that's not how that works.)
Also I went to Panera for a meeting with a professor one time, and the bathrooms were locked. You had to get an employee to unlock them for you, it was super weird. I haven't even come across that at conventional fast food places. (Also also, I got a grilled cheese with tomato soup, and the "tomato soup" was just tomato sauce, not bisque or even real "soup" or anything. Shit's also overpriced there IMHO.)
The 10lb burrito argument makes no sense. It's very odd that anyone would even make that argument in the first place. You can just look at it and see that, "Wow, that is a gigantic burrito!" Doesn't matter what's in it, it's not gonna be good for you to eat that quantity of food. You can't just look at the lemonade and see that it's got enough caffeine to kill a small horse...
The 10lb burrito thing is so stupid. This isn't a serving size problem, it's a concentration problem. This would be like if a 1lb burrito had all of the stuff of a 10lb burrito and also 5 energy drinks in it.
Thank you so much for this comment!! I really enjoy the show, but no one’s perspective is unimpeachable, and it’s important to remember that our initial opinions are not always necessarily informed. It was somewhat upsetting to me to hear this segment, because as someone with chronic illnesses and other health conditions, it actually means something to me. In general, the US, and capitalistic systems as a whole, have very few consumer protections. The most vulnerable are always the disabled community. We deserve to live in a world where we are not in danger of dying because of negligent corporations, and the general belligerence that our society has towards accommodations. It’s all well and good to frame it as “well only two people died,” except really, it isn’t. They ordered a lemonade which most consumers would assume had a low amount of caffeine. It’s not like they tried scuba diving, or some other inherently dangerous activity with the full knowledge and consent for what they were getting into. It’s not “spoiling the fun” to want the corporation held responsible and to find it unacceptable that human lives can be lost. We’ve developed this puritan attitude towards health where it’s doesn’t “really count” if there’s an underlying issue. Death by Covid? Well it shouldn’t count because they also had heart problems, or asthma, or cancer. Why is that? Why do we value the vulnerable so little. I’m immunocompromised, does my life matter less than someone who isn’t because I’m at a higher risk for dying of a virus? Why are we so ok with collateral damage, so long as “normal” people aren’t at risk? I’m so sick of hearing that the death and suffering of disabled people isn’t a social concern, simply because inconvenience to the general public is too big of an ask for our lives.
Also some of us are really bad at telling apart male voices, so there's just a singular character sometimes called Ross and sometimes called Liam, and sometimes called guest. Someone so confused about their identity isn't really parasocial relationship material.
There was an Arizona based chain of restaurants called Paradise Bakery that competed against Panera. It was superior to Panera in almost every metric. Instead of upping their game, Panera bought Paradise and converted them into Paneras. Yes, I’m still bitter.
I mean sure, if you ignore all the countries they ruined. Also don’t sell the British short, they can be both bad at engineering and incompetent at nation building.
The black paint on the nose in front of the windows I've always just known as anti-glare paint, they'd paint that area so the pilots wouldn't be blinded by the sun hitting the bare metal or lighter tone paint.
FYI Alice, the entire UK is at the end of a big ocean current AND in the middle of a big air current that constantly brings up warm water/air from the caribbean. The orkneys have an average temperature of 7 degrees celsius in the winter months, Toronto has an average temperature of like -5 celsius in those same months, and it's even worse in other provinces - in Winnipeg where my family's from the average is like -12 C from december through february
Nain, Labrador is about as far north as Glasgow, Scotland. Got some cousins up there and the mean temperature is -22°c in February and 6.5°c in August. The Eastern Atlantic is warm as hell with its equatorial currents.
Love listening to my favorite podcast about engineering disasters from a leftist perspective as I perform maintenance on engineering disasters from a leftist perspective. Yay Liam (from the steam tunnels)
I work at a public university doing maintenance. The things I get called to deal with are typically either completely falling apart, or are overflowing with shit. Perhaps an engineering disaster is a bit of an overstatement, but I was really going through it today when the podcast dropped lol(lots of poop)
@@connerplatt8639pretty sure the third law of thermodynamics has it that yes no matter what you are doing it's an engineering disaster, though I'm not an engineer so I am probably wrong
Gives me flashbacks when subway had the bright idea to offer Flatbread pizzas too. The subway where I worked was right next to a pizzeria and people still ordered that awful thing
Impressed that Lt. Redacted found time in their busy career not only to become an officer, but also a Registered Nurse! o7 (it *genuinely* took me a second to realize "RN" was short for "Royal Navy" and not the people you're always referred to in US urgent care clinics because they're less expensive than workers w/ doctorates)
37:37 I am a rowing coach in my spare time and no matter how many times I tell new rowers where exactly to step there's always one who decides they know better and cracks a hull.
The holes at the end of a crack thing was known about for a long time as its based on architectural principles of an arch with all of the forces about the arch acting in equilibrium therefore no one part of the arch wants to collapse as the forces are equal. Its just that principle, its old school equal forces. It sends the loadings around the hole like the loadings of weight around a brick or stone arch. This can also work for building elements too especially steelwork and large format concrete components. Also Japanese carpenters did this to wood where it slots over steel such that it prevents the wood splitting when fixed down onto steel mounts. I actually did a scale model of such a detail for my architecture portfolio and got a first in detailing for it and explaining the principles of the equal forces and why it should be employed in a lot of details.
My partner and I listen to this podcast, and we had to pause during the Panera insta-kill lemonade section to imagine some guy in a wool tunic and linen coif, hopped up on energy drink, running in one of those medieval human-sized hamster wheel cranes, lifting *alllll* of the stones to finish the castle tower that day. Congrats to Liam and Rin! All the happy years to you both.
Congratulations. Balsa is surprisingly strong cross grain laminated. My hepa filter box is made from sheets of it that way and you could probably throw it at the wall a few times before if failed.
Two takeaways from the news section: Liam is now YoungManAnderson on social media Drinking enough Red Bulls gives you so many wings that you turn into a biblically accurate angel, therefore rendering you dead
I was in Cub Scouts (Canadian Boy Scouts) when I was younger and one year we took a trip to the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum. It was incredible. Just a whole spectrum of planes from every era. The crowning jewel though was one of only two working Lancasters in the world. As a WW2 history kid I was so pumped to not only see it but go inside it and look around. Its a lot smaller than I would have thought and incredibly cramped, even for a child. The topper to the whole thing was that we slept overnight in the museum. I basically slept under the Lancasters engine that night lol
That museum is amazing. I go there every time I'm in Ontario. Unfortunately I've yet to see the Lancaster, every time I've visited it's been away on long distance trips. The other artifact that stood out to me was the Orenda Iroquois jet engine from one of the Avro Arrows, complete with torch holes from when the thing was chopped up.
I was a little confused at first; here in the United States “Cub Scouts” refers to younger Boy Scouts who are in elementary school and participate in Scouting before they’re old enough to be Boy Scouts. I was in both growing up. Being a typical suburban boy it was my only reliable outlet to be able to go camping, hiking, or on any form of watercraft.
56:30 - relatedly, a friend made me a crocheted sampler quoting me talking to my newborn daughter, saying "All will be well, Smoltopus* - all will be well and all manner of things will be well...whether we like it or not". Turns out Julian of Norwich can make a kid pipe down and take notice. And also, Congrats Liam and Rin - hope their website can handle intercontinental ballistic ddonations. * yeah, we nicknamed her Smoltopus. She is smol and has octopus-like flailing tendencies.
Haven't reached this point in the podcast, but we all know how that happens. If it's physical space, you run out of it storing stuff you might need some day (reinforced by the fact that when you discard some of this stuff it generally turns out you will really need it the next day). If it's data storage space, it's usually backups and videos, particularly those definitely-not-pr0n ones.
I love when these drop while I'm at work. Gives me some engineering disasters to listen to while surrounded by engineers. Also, Congrats on the Wedding! Ya, Liam!
The first case that I've seen with the Charged Lemonade ™ from Panera Bread ™ was a case where a person had one serving and TWO REFILLS. That seems to be important information.
Congrats Liam and Rin! I hope everyone who reads this has a good end to their year! Also, my silky smooth brain appreciates a plane episode while recovering from COVID.
Panera charged lemonade predates Grimace Shake. Around this time last year when it was first introduced I saw a post from someone who had a Bad Time drinking the charged lemonade on accident and everyone having a laugh about how crazy highly caffeinated lemonade is. It's an amount that if you don't have a tolerance will cause you to technically overdose. Just it most people it merely ruins your day and you didn't even need medical attention
1:50:35 We actually did have triangular windows (rounded on the edges ofc) The Sud Aviation Caravelle had them, which also used the cockpit section of the Comet
I'm just imagining the children of LSH taking the parts and building something completely different with them like it's Lego. Picture, if you will, a fleet of Gundam Wings built out of repurposed parts from De Haviland Comet model kits. (Also, for the curious, Revell is currently owned by a vulture capital firm, so yeah, not great.)
Congratulation Rin and Liam! I like that on the Comet cutaway drawing they've bothered labelling "air brake" but none of the other control surfaces, which presumably De Havilland decided were less importantly.
Congratulations Liam and Rin! The best news we've ever gotten from the God Damn News. Fuck... 1:03:13 is such a good moment. You've all got such wonderful hearts, and the way Alice knows how to immediately tell a joke that doesn't undercut Liam's feelings but does make him laugh is just the best. This is a great podcast.
I fawn over the A350 nose, and also the "racoon mask" (the black painted area around the cockpit window) because of how good they look, and guess what? Those are design elements shared with the Comet! I'm not closeted, but I have to keep my plane special interest on the down low to blend in.
devon really needs to remember to put the call of duty hit sound back in when they add text in post because i almost missed that "switch out of necessity" joke and that would have been a gd shame
apparently you can now upload two different audio tracks on a video, I don't know how much extra work this would be for devon, but if there was a version where we could choose to hear the dings and one where we couldn't that might be cool? Alternatively two uploads twice the views one ding mode the other exported sans ding.
Second this, a lot of the time I have this open on my second screen and only occasionally glance back when there's a slide change or similar and I often catch Devon's comments by chance - Please add back the hitmarker sound or something similar!
"I have drank 3 C4 energies today....." Oh cool, I cant wait for the next news segment next episode where we have an in memoriam for Liam as his heart has literally exploded.
I was wondering how the caffeine amount compared to coffee, and Liam's beloved Red Bull. But damn, looks like if Red Bull gives you wings, Starbucks Espresso is some Von Braun shit.
Nice, was just about to start a playthrough of a game and needed something to listen to, perfectly timed! Congratulations Liam and Rin! Did try to give to that charity, couldn't due to not being American, did however give to a different Irish charity who will now be *very* confused at a message saying "Yay Liam!" with the donation.
You guys aren't the first to note the windows were secondary (it's been out on the Tube a while..). You missed the other mistake DeHavilland made during thier (too short) testing program(me). The body they used for fatigue testing, was the same one they had used for overpressure testing. The error there being that overstressing the metal also changes its molecular structure (both tests should have been kept completely separate). The Comet was a major disaster and tragedy, while the Princess and Brabazon (yep they named one of the planes after the committee chair) were just HUGE white elephants. The 707 benefited some from the Comet's mistakes, but even more from all the issues with the B-47 bomber (the B-52 got some help too). The nearest American Equivalent is the Lockheed Electra issues of the late 1950s. Interestingly, the Comet and Electra had LONG careers as Patrol/Anti Sub Aircraft (as the Nimrod and Orion respectively)
In case no one has posted yet: 4:35 The GD News I 9:25 The GD News II 15:00 The GD News III 25:00 Main Story 1:55:20 Safety Third 2:02:44 Commercials Congrats and Yay Liam!
Mazel tov Liam! Now to sit back and hear why square windows and jet planes do not mix. Alice, your plan to give kids Airfix models would make James May proud.
The two patreons I er patronise are this and Steph Sterling and I enjoy that choice being regularly vindicated. Congratulations Liam - honoured to have played some small part in your happiness.
thank you, Well there's your Problem Podcast, for giving me 1950's jetplane dysphoria at 1:16:32 also: congratulations to Lian and Rin! here's to many years of happiness! I'll be hunting my fellow dutch people to send 5000 euros in dollars as a wedding gift and reparations! :D
Wife of pilot. Alice is right. If the flight crews won't use it, don't use it. They port for the water and the waste are next to each other. Ground crews constantly hook them up backwards! Do not drink anything on an aircraft that doesn't come to you sealed.
Congrats Liam and Rin!! Also, it took me a while, but I made my way through the publicly available archive of the show. Absolutely loved all of it. Thank you everyone for making it. Looking forward to future episodes--and at some point tossing some money into the patreon so I can listen to the bonus episodes.
Liam is right about the lemonade that kills you. The strawberry mint combo is weirdly good. They sold me on an unlimited drinks subscription based on it alone.
Fellow trans girl and also a lesbian here, going into aviation maintenance.
"I love aeronautics. I love aerodynamics. I love the plane that is so light and so beautiful that, like- *chuckles* it cannot be handled except by the delicate touch of a lesbian."
I have never felt more seen, thank you Alice
Seriously, I felt so seen by that
Very seen😊
A WOMAN? IN AVIATION MAINTENANCE?! Damn woke moralists!
Two Paths (with two subpaths): Programmer or Aerosoace engineer: Linux Programmer (Good) - Apple Programmer (Evil) or Civil Aerospace (Good (?)) - Lockheed-Martin (Very Evil)
42:15 Rocz, re: Transitioning to the postwar Lvtwaffe: "What hormones do you need for that?"
SStrogen.
Testostereich
Fourteen point eighty-eight milligrams of said SStrogen
Thats awful you guys, take my like and scram
Me when the wehraboos get mad that I call the Bismarck “she”
@@dionysus913 Everyone knows its is filled with gender fluid now
Having The God Damn News pop up with a congratulation on Liam's marriage and immediately hearing somebody open a beer in the background is the most WTYP thing ever and I am here for it.
I walked into the airport bar after nearly 30 hours of traveling and sat down at a stool near the end. The bartender asked me what I wanted, I asked for a not hazy IPA. She said they had Lagunitas, I said that's perfect. Then she said she'd sell me a shot with the beer for half price, which was their special at the moment, and I immediately blurted out "I love you."
This is how I feel when WTYP posts a new episode.
PS congrats to Liam and Rin, but not necessarily in that order.
Shout out to Devon for tediously recreating the sketches throughout this. I'm sure it was annoying, but we appreciate the hard work.
1:26:38 the fact hbomberguy became the internet top order carnivore overnight is sort of entrataining
Hbomb didn't want to be that guy, he knows he's too good at being that guy, but he wants peace not war, but they forced him to be that guy, and now the reckoning is happening...
*Extinguisher catches fire*
"Now why's it gone and done that"
*looks at Made in Britain label*
"Ahhhh"
Fun fact: On United Dreamliners, the seat gives enough power to run a steamdeck, but not my seatmate's gaming laptop. Plan accordingly.
I can't believe that they put trucker speed in the lemonade and didn't sell it in gas stations where it belongs.
I'm ready for the 'three podcasters on each other's shoulders in a trenchcoat' congressional run.
Screw it, let’s run ‘em for president. Liam may be a little too spicy for the big seat, so Rocz for POTUS, Liam for VP, November for Secretary of State?
1:17:33 Alice: "This contains a distinct unmistakable transgender vibe."
Devon: "It's probably because everything is a switch out of necessity."
Me, a trans woman who identifies as a switch: "Hey!"
Congratulations Liam and Rin.
@@AlanCanon2222What are you even doing here? Are you just lurking looking for people to throw grade school insults at? What a sad, meaningless waste of your time.
Congrats on the marriage Liam and Rin! Best god damn news I've heard all day!!
I had sort of fallen down this rabbit hole, and my thing with the Panera "charged lemonade" is threefold:
- First of all, although the amount of labeling and verbal warnings from Panera employees about the drink apparently varies by location, it's crazy to me that it was being kept next to the low-caffeine and decaf drinks. Not only should it be labeled, it should be moved closer to the coffee and caffeinated stuff/to where it's more obvious that it's caffeinated.
- Also, Panera apparently has an "unlimited sip club," and the charged lemonade should probably be excluded from that "free refill" program.
- Why the fuck is it being sold in a size large? Starbucks allegedly won't sell their nitro brew in whatever they call a size large; why would you not just sell it in smaller cups if you're going to put in that much caffeine?
Or just... the Panera company could tweak the formula so that instead of a size large containing 5 Redbulls of caffeine, it contains 1-2 or 1-3 Redbulls of caffeine? I can remember a few years ago when everyone was freaking out about how dangerous energy drinks can be, and this shit is MULTIPLE energy drinks PER SINGLE SERVING.
Like, even if you see "charged lemonade" and it says "contains caffeine," I feel like most people would assume "it's probably as much caffeine as iced tea; maybe as much as soda." Not "more caffeine than a Red Bull."
Because it's presented as fucking lemonade. The only way normal lemonade has caffeine is if you make an Arnold Palmer with it.
Like, just market it as an energy drink. Put it in a dispenser that's stylized to look like it holds an energy drink. Have a special cup for it that's stylized/branded to look like an energy drink. Call it "Panera's energy drink, Charged Lemonade."
(Maybe Panera should also have to card you when you try to buy it, although I don't know if that would have helped in these scenarios.)
I don't need this shit to be banned, but Panera should be sued because they ever thought this was a safe idea to put on a menu (also, corporations should always be sued). It's like selling a single cocktail with a high enough proof that after one serving, your BAC is too high to legally drive. It's negligent and they should have known better.
("It's like that 10-lb burrito" Yeah, I've heard people make similar arguments, but you don't fatally OD on burritos, fast food, or sugar the way you can fatally OD on caffeine. And no, eating too much sugar doesn't cause diabetes or ketoacidosis; as a type 1 diabetic, that's not how that works.)
Also I went to Panera for a meeting with a professor one time, and the bathrooms were locked. You had to get an employee to unlock them for you, it was super weird. I haven't even come across that at conventional fast food places.
(Also also, I got a grilled cheese with tomato soup, and the "tomato soup" was just tomato sauce, not bisque or even real "soup" or anything. Shit's also overpriced there IMHO.)
Also congratulations Liam and Rin
The 10lb burrito argument makes no sense. It's very odd that anyone would even make that argument in the first place. You can just look at it and see that, "Wow, that is a gigantic burrito!" Doesn't matter what's in it, it's not gonna be good for you to eat that quantity of food. You can't just look at the lemonade and see that it's got enough caffeine to kill a small horse...
The 10lb burrito thing is so stupid. This isn't a serving size problem, it's a concentration problem. This would be like if a 1lb burrito had all of the stuff of a 10lb burrito and also 5 energy drinks in it.
Thank you so much for this comment!! I really enjoy the show, but no one’s perspective is unimpeachable, and it’s important to remember that our initial opinions are not always necessarily informed. It was somewhat upsetting to me to hear this segment, because as someone with chronic illnesses and other health conditions, it actually means something to me. In general, the US, and capitalistic systems as a whole, have very few consumer protections. The most vulnerable are always the disabled community. We deserve to live in a world where we are not in danger of dying because of negligent corporations, and the general belligerence that our society has towards accommodations. It’s all well and good to frame it as “well only two people died,” except really, it isn’t. They ordered a lemonade which most consumers would assume had a low amount of caffeine. It’s not like they tried scuba diving, or some other inherently dangerous activity with the full knowledge and consent for what they were getting into. It’s not “spoiling the fun” to want the corporation held responsible and to find it unacceptable that human lives can be lost. We’ve developed this puritan attitude towards health where it’s doesn’t “really count” if there’s an underlying issue. Death by Covid? Well it shouldn’t count because they also had heart problems, or asthma, or cancer. Why is that? Why do we value the vulnerable so little. I’m immunocompromised, does my life matter less than someone who isn’t because I’m at a higher risk for dying of a virus? Why are we so ok with collateral damage, so long as “normal” people aren’t at risk? I’m so sick of hearing that the death and suffering of disabled people isn’t a social concern, simply because inconvenience to the general public is too big of an ask for our lives.
I cannot believe we got through an entire news segment without a celebratory "Kissinger is Dead" segment!
"Ding dong the witch is dead!"
But we DID discover Reinhold Messner is Turkish, so-- net plus I'd say.
@@theprojectproject01 I thought he was Zimbabwean
They might have recorded it a while ago.
We don't have to be parasocial to wish a stranger congratulations. May all good things come to you both.
Also some of us are really bad at telling apart male voices, so there's just a singular character sometimes called Ross and sometimes called Liam, and sometimes called guest. Someone so confused about their identity isn't really parasocial relationship material.
@@fallingphoenix2341 I can barely even tell Alice apart.
@@MySerpentine I decided that Alice is the one who lives in the UK and usually says things I agree with.
Oh really? I'm just going to be twice as parasocial to cancel out your antiparasociality
@@TheBananenbeer I do like your decisive confidence and support of one of my favorite podcasts, maybe I'll form a parasocial relationship with you 😀
There was an Arizona based chain of restaurants called Paradise Bakery that competed against Panera. It was superior to Panera in almost every metric. Instead of upping their game, Panera bought Paradise and converted them into Paneras.
Yes, I’m still bitter.
Pour one out for Paradise Bakery
Timestamps:
00:00 - 4:33 Intro
4:33 - 25:01 The God Damn News
25:01 - 33:12 Episode Starts
33:12 - 37:41 The De Havilland Company
37:41 - 46:33 Jet Engines
46:33 - 1:04:39 De Havilland Comet pt1
1:04:39 - 1:05:50 Ad
1:05:50 - 1:19:24 De Havilland Comet pt2
1:19:24 - 1:34:05 Incidents
1:34:05 - 1:51:11 What Went Wrong
1:51:11 - 1:55:17 Aftermath
1:55:17 - 2:02:44 Safety Third
2:02:44 - 2:04:25 Outro
Also congrats to Liam and Rin!
Thanks!!
Truly, you are doing god's work.
But thanks anyway! 😁
I know you guys and gal always make jokes about doing an episode on the Chernobyl disaster, but I really think that would be a great episode.
Hero of the revolution, right here.
@@OADINCdidn't they do that for their live show with the Antifada podcast?
It genuinely makes me happy to hear how happy Liam is on this episode. Truly...yay Liam.
And how exasperated he is at Rocz's computer problems. :)
Caffeine and being married does that to a man.
Based on Roz’s pronunciation of “over and over and over” and “periscoop,” I think his transformation into a Philadelphian is complete.
When Germany feels proud, it ruins other countries. When England feels national pride, it makes a thing that breaks.
I mean sure, if you ignore all the countries they ruined. Also don’t sell the British short, they can be both bad at engineering and incompetent at nation building.
Like every country they “created”?
You underestimate the will of the British. They can do both
Britain is still reigning #1 champ in ruining countries...
We do both. Just ask....every country ever.
The black paint on the nose in front of the windows I've always just known as anti-glare paint, they'd paint that area so the pilots wouldn't be blinded by the sun hitting the bare metal or lighter tone paint.
FYI Alice, the entire UK is at the end of a big ocean current AND in the middle of a big air current that constantly brings up warm water/air from the caribbean.
The orkneys have an average temperature of 7 degrees celsius in the winter months, Toronto has an average temperature of like -5 celsius in those same months, and it's even worse in other provinces - in Winnipeg where my family's from the average is like -12 C from december through february
FELLOW MANITOBAN SPOTTED
When the Gulf Current disappears due to climate change, THEN we're fucked
Nain, Labrador is about as far north as Glasgow, Scotland. Got some cousins up there and the mean temperature is -22°c in February and 6.5°c in August.
The Eastern Atlantic is warm as hell with its equatorial currents.
1:19:32 The actual topic of the podcast first gets discussed.
This is the podcasting we all know and love.
“And now it’s time for…. The god damn topic”
Never change WTYP 😂
Yay Liam (married)! I felt the pain in your heart when you screamed "HOW!?" at Rocz's memory deficiency.
Love listening to my favorite podcast about engineering disasters from a leftist perspective as I perform maintenance on engineering disasters from a leftist perspective. Yay Liam (from the steam tunnels)
what do you do for work?
@@RavingDragoon maintaining the discourse production facility (I would presume)
I work at a public university doing maintenance. The things I get called to deal with are typically either completely falling apart, or are overflowing with shit. Perhaps an engineering disaster is a bit of an overstatement, but I was really going through it today when the podcast dropped lol(lots of poop)
@@connerplatt8639pretty sure the third law of thermodynamics has it that yes no matter what you are doing it's an engineering disaster, though I'm not an engineer so I am probably wrong
with slides!
As a former Subway ™️ sandwich artist ©️ I am obligated to make fun of Alice's order.
Next time ask for it on flat bread, the soul leaving the sandwich artist gives it a lil extra kick.
That's demon time sh*t lol
Gives me flashbacks when subway had the bright idea to offer Flatbread pizzas too. The subway where I worked was right next to a pizzeria and people still ordered that awful thing
Impressed that Lt. Redacted found time in their busy career not only to become an officer, but also a Registered Nurse! o7
(it *genuinely* took me a second to realize "RN" was short for "Royal Navy" and not the people you're always referred to in US urgent care clinics because they're less expensive than workers w/ doctorates)
37:37 I am a rowing coach in my spare time and no matter how many times I tell new rowers where exactly to step there's always one who decides they know better and cracks a hull.
The holes at the end of a crack thing was known about for a long time as its based on architectural principles of an arch with all of the forces about the arch acting in equilibrium therefore no one part of the arch wants to collapse as the forces are equal. Its just that principle, its old school equal forces. It sends the loadings around the hole like the loadings of weight around a brick or stone arch. This can also work for building elements too especially steelwork and large format concrete components. Also Japanese carpenters did this to wood where it slots over steel such that it prevents the wood splitting when fixed down onto steel mounts. I actually did a scale model of such a detail for my architecture portfolio and got a first in detailing for it and explaining the principles of the equal forces and why it should be employed in a lot of details.
Thank you Devon for putting in the Maddening… the drawy bits. Not the making-me-mad bits.
My partner and I listen to this podcast, and we had to pause during the Panera insta-kill lemonade section to imagine some guy in a wool tunic and linen coif, hopped up on energy drink, running in one of those medieval human-sized hamster wheel cranes, lifting *alllll* of the stones to finish the castle tower that day.
Congrats to Liam and Rin! All the happy years to you both.
Congratulations.
Balsa is surprisingly strong cross grain laminated. My hepa filter box is made from sheets of it that way and you could probably throw it at the wall a few times before if failed.
Two takeaways from the news section:
Liam is now YoungManAnderson on social media
Drinking enough Red Bulls gives you so many wings that you turn into a biblically accurate angel, therefore rendering you dead
surely you mean YoungManMcAnderson
@@beedubree2550youngmcanderson had a farm
@@johnnyricks4342 E I E I O
With the wings sticking out that's less Plane Jail and more of a Plane Gibbet. It's to serve as a warning to the other planes.
I was in Cub Scouts (Canadian Boy Scouts) when I was younger and one year we took a trip to the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum. It was incredible. Just a whole spectrum of planes from every era. The crowning jewel though was one of only two working Lancasters in the world. As a WW2 history kid I was so pumped to not only see it but go inside it and look around. Its a lot smaller than I would have thought and incredibly cramped, even for a child. The topper to the whole thing was that we slept overnight in the museum. I basically slept under the Lancasters engine that night lol
That museum is amazing. I go there every time I'm in Ontario. Unfortunately I've yet to see the Lancaster, every time I've visited it's been away on long distance trips. The other artifact that stood out to me was the Orenda Iroquois jet engine from one of the Avro Arrows, complete with torch holes from when the thing was chopped up.
@@bobsmith2637I swear it is the mcdonalds ice cream machine of airplanes.
@@bobsmith2637 didnt realize just how lucky i was! Its an incredible piece of machinery, i really hope you get to see it one day.
I was a little confused at first; here in the United States “Cub Scouts” refers to younger Boy Scouts who are in elementary school and participate in Scouting before they’re old enough to be Boy Scouts.
I was in both growing up. Being a typical suburban boy it was my only reliable outlet to be able to go camping, hiking, or on any form of watercraft.
56:30 - relatedly, a friend made me a crocheted sampler quoting me talking to my newborn daughter, saying "All will be well, Smoltopus* - all will be well and all manner of things will be well...whether we like it or not". Turns out Julian of Norwich can make a kid pipe down and take notice. And also, Congrats Liam and Rin - hope their website can handle intercontinental ballistic ddonations.
* yeah, we nicknamed her Smoltopus. She is smol and has octopus-like flailing tendencies.
@1:17:30 it’s because of Wendy Carlos, early synths look like this
This a/c needs the bumper sticker that was on my buddy's MG: "All the parts falling off this vehicle are of the finest British workmanship"
Liam’s tortured “HOWWWWWW?!?!” upon finding out that Justin has run out of storage space again 😂
Haven't reached this point in the podcast, but we all know how that happens. If it's physical space, you run out of it storing stuff you might need some day (reinforced by the fact that when you discard some of this stuff it generally turns out you will really need it the next day). If it's data storage space, it's usually backups and videos, particularly those definitely-not-pr0n ones.
I love when these drop while I'm at work. Gives me some engineering disasters to listen to while surrounded by engineers.
Also, Congrats on the Wedding! Ya, Liam!
That sounds like it would be somewhat discouraging 😅
@@dftp I'm one of the many people cursed with hope. 😋
I listen to these at my job as a pm for a commercial gc. It's very meta.
@@JoeyCarb I used to listen at my job at a specialty contractor. It is very meta.
No engineers at my work, but there are certainly disasters - so it still feels right.
"Everything is a switch out of necessity" is an amazing joke.
It reflects the flexibility of human sexuality as an evolutionary result
The first case that I've seen with the Charged Lemonade ™ from Panera Bread ™ was a case where a person had one serving and TWO REFILLS. That seems to be important information.
Congrats Liam and Rin!
I hope everyone who reads this has a good end to their year! Also, my silky smooth brain appreciates a plane episode while recovering from COVID.
Hope your recovery goes well, comrade.
Fuck covid (had it twice). Get better soon!!!
Wishing you a speedy recovery. Been there.
Wait, you don't mean "a good end to [our] year" as in "have a nice time" right? ;-) Hope you're feeling better
Alice is the champagne / confetti cloud in all our hearts. Yay Liam and Rin!
YAY LIAM AND RIN!
I'm subscribing to the theory that Alice couldn't be in any of the photos because she was the photographer.
LIAM FOR PA SENATOR!! Also Congrats Liam and Rin!! Many many years of happiness to you!!
Love that panera bread looked at the grimace shake meme and was like “hmmmm thats good advertising we should do that but for real”
Panera charged lemonade predates Grimace Shake. Around this time last year when it was first introduced I saw a post from someone who had a Bad Time drinking the charged lemonade on accident and everyone having a laugh about how crazy highly caffeinated lemonade is. It's an amount that if you don't have a tolerance will cause you to technically overdose. Just it most people it merely ruins your day and you didn't even need medical attention
Fatigue failure woot woot
45:01- minor thing: creep is usually a thing only at high temps, except for titanium
1:50:35 We actually did have triangular windows (rounded on the edges ofc)
The Sud Aviation Caravelle had them, which also used the cockpit section of the Comet
I'm just imagining the children of LSH taking the parts and building something completely different with them like it's Lego. Picture, if you will, a fleet of Gundam Wings built out of repurposed parts from De Haviland Comet model kits.
(Also, for the curious, Revell is currently owned by a vulture capital firm, so yeah, not great.)
Congratulation Rin and Liam!
I like that on the Comet cutaway drawing they've bothered labelling "air brake" but none of the other control surfaces, which presumably De Havilland decided were less importantly.
3:54 Back then the UK didn't use the current NATO phonetic alphabet so the aircraft was known as GEORGE ABLE LOVE YOKE PETER. Also Congrats Liam.
Congratulations Liam and Rin! The best news we've ever gotten from the God Damn News.
Fuck... 1:03:13 is such a good moment. You've all got such wonderful hearts, and the way Alice knows how to immediately tell a joke that doesn't undercut Liam's feelings but does make him laugh is just the best. This is a great podcast.
I fucking love that joke, it's so relatable and simple. A DH comet kit would definitely have cheered me up as a child.
As a closeted trans woman I've honestly never felt more seen than when I heard how Alice talks about the De Havilland Comet
I fawn over the A350 nose, and also the "racoon mask" (the black painted area around the cockpit window) because of how good they look, and guess what? Those are design elements shared with the Comet!
I'm not closeted, but I have to keep my plane special interest on the down low to blend in.
Closeted plane lover sneaking into the train podcast comments!
Three c4's?? I'm almost 30 and when working at target I drank one of those and my body turned into tv static. I felt awful.
On behalf of all of Southeast Asia, which I am qualified to do on the basis of absolutely nothing: Congratulations to Liam and Rin!
devon really needs to remember to put the call of duty hit sound back in when they add text in post because i almost missed that "switch out of necessity" joke and that would have been a gd shame
seconded
apparently you can now upload two different audio tracks on a video, I don't know how much extra work this would be for devon, but if there was a version where we could choose to hear the dings and one where we couldn't that might be cool?
Alternatively two uploads twice the views one ding mode the other exported sans ding.
Second this, a lot of the time I have this open on my second screen and only occasionally glance back when there's a slide change or similar and I often catch Devon's comments by chance - Please add back the hitmarker sound or something similar!
Congratulations, Liam and Rin! Also to Rin, now we're fairly sure we can spot where your problems are 😅
The children can be nicknamed "Problem 1", "Problem 2", "Problem 3" and so on.
@@MrJohndoakesand the ultimate child, Shakehandswithdanger
@@adamwhite2364 Don't forget the grandchildren: The, God Damn, Philadelphia, Eagles.
Wait what about [REDACTED ACTIONABLE THREAT]?
@@maybemablemaples2144 Second cousin twice removed.
"I have drank 3 C4 energies today....."
Oh cool, I cant wait for the next news segment next episode where we have an in memoriam for Liam as his heart has literally exploded.
For reference on caffeine/oz:
Lemonade that Kills You Instantly - 13mg/oz (390mg in a 30oz)
Starbucks Cold Brew - 12.8mg/oz (205mg/16oz)
Starbucks Blonde Roast - 22.5mg/oz (360mg/16oz)
Red Bull - 9.25mg/oz (111mg/12oz)
Starbucks Espresso - 100mg/oz (150mg/oz)
Starbucks didn't do unlimited free refills at self serve nor give away unlimited drinks for a month as promotion.
Biohazard Coffee - 77mg/oz (928mg in a 12oz)
amount of caffeine people associate with lemonade : 0
I was wondering how the caffeine amount compared to coffee, and Liam's beloved Red Bull. But damn, looks like if Red Bull gives you wings, Starbucks Espresso is some Von Braun shit.
@merrydaye4763 ding ding. And we know everything has caffeine in it.
Congrats to Liam and Rin (and thanks for the drinks - proud to have helped that bar run out of Brawler)
1:17:38 I laughed UPROARIOUSLY at that one. Great job Devon, you're an invaluable addition to the podcast
Congratulations Mr and Dr Mrs Yay-Liam.
A lifesize DeHavilland Comet, made from DeHavilland Comet model kits ... you can't get the wood, ya know.
Nice, was just about to start a playthrough of a game and needed something to listen to, perfectly timed!
Congratulations Liam and Rin!
Did try to give to that charity, couldn't due to not being American, did however give to a different Irish charity who will now be *very* confused at a message saying "Yay Liam!" with the donation.
Yay Liam for everyone!
The Comet nose was used for the very, very pretty Caravelle. The noses of the 787 and A350 have shades of Comet and Caravelle.
Herzlichen Glückwunsch Liam und Rin! 🎉
You guys aren't the first to note the windows were secondary (it's been out on the Tube a while..). You missed the other mistake DeHavilland made during thier (too short) testing program(me). The body they used for fatigue testing, was the same one they had used for overpressure testing. The error there being that overstressing the metal also changes its molecular structure (both tests should have been kept completely separate).
The Comet was a major disaster and tragedy, while the Princess and Brabazon (yep they named one of the planes after the committee chair) were just HUGE white elephants.
The 707 benefited some from the Comet's mistakes, but even more from all the issues with the B-47 bomber (the B-52 got some help too). The nearest American Equivalent is the Lockheed Electra issues of the late 1950s. Interestingly, the Comet and Electra had LONG careers as Patrol/Anti Sub Aircraft (as the Nimrod and Orion respectively)
Imagine spending your military career flying the plane that's known as the Dipshit because nobody caught Bugs Bunny's sarcasm once upon a time
In case no one has posted yet:
4:35 The GD News I
9:25 The GD News II
15:00 The GD News III
25:00 Main Story
1:55:20 Safety Third
2:02:44 Commercials
Congrats and Yay Liam!
Whenever I hear of a wedding in PA, I assume it’s like the first hour of Deer Hunter
This is a highly underrated comment if I've ever seen one
Ah yes, my favorite Gabriel García Márquez novel "10 million years of hogs"
When the pilot you’re interviewing in 1953, to fly the comet, says he has prior experience flying jet aircraft
“While serving in the the US Army Air Forces, right?
…right?”
Speaking of triangular windows, the French Sud Caravelle (also a very pretty plane) had them. As far as I can tell, it was mostly for French reasons.
I love how the French design airplanes and cars. No one else does it like them
Mazel tov Liam! Now to sit back and hear why square windows and jet planes do not mix.
Alice, your plan to give kids Airfix models would make James May proud.
Congrats on the marriage you two!
Fun fact: MacAnderson (or McAnderson) literally means “Son of Andrew’s Son”
Liam ibn FitzMcAndersonich
Andy's Boys
@@svenofthejungle hell yeah, ibn! ☝
Congratulations and Yay Liam! Please don't drink the lemonade that kills you instantly.
Congrats Riam and Lin
1) Congratulations Liam!!!!
2) I have Yay’d my Liam. May it help a little.
3) now to listen to the remaining 2:01:26 of the episode!
The two patreons I er patronise are this and Steph Sterling and I enjoy that choice being regularly vindicated. Congratulations Liam - honoured to have played some small part in your happiness.
W
Classic W
Oh Liam that’s so wonderful! A long and happy marriage to you!
I'm 44 and even I'd enjoy a De Havilland Comet model kit.
thank you, Well there's your Problem Podcast, for giving me 1950's jetplane dysphoria at 1:16:32
also: congratulations to Lian and Rin! here's to many years of happiness!
I'll be hunting my fellow dutch people to send 5000 euros in dollars as a wedding gift and reparations! :D
onward to deliver christmas packages while learning of a failed delivery of people
Wife of pilot. Alice is right. If the flight crews won't use it, don't use it. They port for the water and the waste are next to each other. Ground crews constantly hook them up backwards! Do not drink anything on an aircraft that doesn't come to you sealed.
Devon filling in the Maddens by hand. Absolute champion behavior
Saving this to listen to on my transatlantic flight tomorrow 🎉
Congrats Liam and Rin!!
Also, it took me a while, but I made my way through the publicly available archive of the show. Absolutely loved all of it. Thank you everyone for making it. Looking forward to future episodes--and at some point tossing some money into the patreon so I can listen to the bonus episodes.
Congratulations Liam and Rin.
Thanks Devon
Mount Arawat was first climbed by noted Tanzanian alpinist Reinhold Meisner. Also yay Liam. congrats on getting married!
My experience as a trans woman has made it necessary to resist creep for hundreds of thousands of hours
God, this is such a good joke
congrats to Liam and Rin, that picture rules very much
Liam is right about the lemonade that kills you. The strawberry mint combo is weirdly good. They sold me on an unlimited drinks subscription based on it alone.
You get a Comet, you get a Comet, you get a Comet! Everybody gets a Comet!
Perfectly timed as I down some more very strong post surgery pain killers, thanks folks!
liam becoming the weepiest member of the pod is an unexpected but welcome development. congrats on becoming capital h Husband!
Congrats to Liam and Rin!!!! I'm so happy for you two!
devon is the true hero for going back and manually recreating all the slides and annotations by hand. thank you soldier 🫡
Culver's is my go-to Fast casual. But that's just me being a Wisconsinite.
Strawberry c4 nectar of the gods. You can feel your molecules vibrating
Congrats Liam and Rin 💚
Based on that first image I'm sure everything's going to be fine