The Missed Potential of Water in Video Games

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  • why swimming so boring in games? :(
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  • @user-us5qd1uz3n
    @user-us5qd1uz3n Před 2 lety +3792

    why cant we drink the water?

    • @KOMAVEEYT
      @KOMAVEEYT Před 2 lety +173

      S A L T

    • @NileMcKenna
      @NileMcKenna Před 2 lety +78

      Tastes weird

    • @Tristanissilly478
      @Tristanissilly478 Před 2 lety +105

      I mean if mario odyssey can carbonate its water than why can't we just drink it

    • @EmeraldVA
      @EmeraldVA Před 2 lety +17

      Because it is most likely salt-water

    • @DORI7US
      @DORI7US Před 2 lety +22

      *slurp sownds*...need i say more

  • @Cashewz698
    @Cashewz698 Před 2 lety +876

    I've never really had any issues with Subnautica and that entire game is underwater, which also has a very well process of depth as mentioned.

    • @janpirs2744
      @janpirs2744 Před 2 lety +52

      Yes because the point of the game is underwater

    • @Cashewz698
      @Cashewz698 Před 2 lety +45

      @@janpirs2744 that doesnt change the fact that madz said videogames and water dont mix, regardless if its just 1 level or the entire game

    • @Mike14264
      @Mike14264 Před 2 lety +11

      Not sure if that counts as a platformer as well, which harbor the main issues around that...

    • @mui_bigie2979
      @mui_bigie2979 Před 2 lety +14

      Subnotica is scary tho

    • @meepmood6981
      @meepmood6981 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Cashewz698 9:22

  • @ZenJestr
    @ZenJestr Před 2 lety +119

    the wall kick/grab idea is GENIUS! it's actually my favorite part about real world swimming it's crazy that no game (as far as I know) has incorporated it. it seems like such an obvious mechanic.

    • @-KORAL_ZERO
      @-KORAL_ZERO Před 6 měsíci

      has anyone else played the fancy pants game?? it literally has this mechanic and its been here for so long lol

  • @johnm.8414
    @johnm.8414 Před 2 lety +132

    A good exception is Majora's Mask Zora form. The swimming in that game has such good controls. Quick, responsive, and with a magic barrier attack that keeps you moving.

    • @kylevasser6388
      @kylevasser6388 Před rokem +8

      Also snake pass, an unusual 3d platformer where the water is even more fun than the land parts

    • @AIFAM7
      @AIFAM7 Před rokem +2

      Ikr???

    • @juicebaggins
      @juicebaggins Před rokem +2

      right?? i was surprised he didn't mention it

  • @tibb.y1892
    @tibb.y1892 Před 2 lety +500

    If splatoon had a water level I’d imagine it’d more of be like an aquarium kinda thing or giving you a suit that seals water and if could be a gimmick like cracks in the glass or you have to keep the suit sealed with air.

    • @bigfee900
      @bigfee900 Před 2 lety +11

      cool

    • @happy_amoeba
      @happy_amoeba Před 2 lety +18

      Idea: a giant pool filled with ink. Better to be comepletely blind in a "water" level then just explode lol /j

    • @Tazerboy_10
      @Tazerboy_10 Před 2 lety +1

      Do you mean that you have suit to protect the Inkling from water?

    • @Tazerboy_10
      @Tazerboy_10 Před 2 lety

      @SoccChester
      Sometimes, it's not clear what they meant at first, but rereading the comment helps...

    • @superadentheagent5576
      @superadentheagent5576 Před 11 měsíci

      I was thinking of a potion they could drink so that water wouldn’t sink to far into their skin, with the effects only lasting after clearing the stage. But there would still be an air meter.

  • @NormalGuy-on7js
    @NormalGuy-on7js Před 2 lety +535

    Always remember…
    If you think the water level you’re playing is bad, don’t forget Kingdom Hearts 2’s “Atlantica” still exists.

    • @isaacsandroramos-smith2830
      @isaacsandroramos-smith2830 Před 2 lety +18

      Or water temple in ocarina of time

    • @s-wo8781
      @s-wo8781 Před 2 lety +4

      Atlantica is fine. It's actually a good level. What's with gamers and hating on water levels while y'all continue to play them?

    • @kcapila
      @kcapila Před 2 lety +18

      @@s-wo8781 Yeah, KH1 Atlantica is fun. KH2, not so much.

    • @thatitalianlameguy2235
      @thatitalianlameguy2235 Před 2 lety +6

      Kh2 atlantica. Kh1 Atlantica is fine.

    • @totalradlad
      @totalradlad Před 2 lety +13

      KH1 Atlantica is fine, but it's pretty limiting and slow compared to the other worlds.
      KH3 Carribean is pretty great, with good exploration and swimming controls.
      KH2 Atlantica is an abomination.

  • @shatteredstar2624
    @shatteredstar2624 Před 2 lety +268

    All the drawn characters in this video look so nice… I’m not into video games, but I ended up watching the whole video just for the art

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  Před 2 lety +93

      that’s so kind of you to think that! Glad the topic isn’t alienating, I really try to make sure anyone can enjoy my content regardless of topic

    • @mini-bi8482
      @mini-bi8482 Před rokem +3

      The same, bro

  • @blueboytube
    @blueboytube Před 2 lety +49

    I think Ori’s Luma Pools are amazing. The controls are pretty good, the switch between underwater and land is a key element and you can absolutely shoot out of the water. Also the environment is not the generic beach theme it’s a magical shell place with pink trees and it looks really good too

    • @jedidefence
      @jedidefence Před 2 lety +5

      I 100% agree. It breaks the usual water level trope of slow, boring gameplay, and instead is a gorgeous area filled with interesting elements. It also has slower gameplay with a breath meter at the beginning, but it uses them effectively as part of the design, without it being shoehorned in and monotonous.

  • @guestb8389
    @guestb8389 Před 2 lety +466

    Most of the time in video games, I am mentally propelled AWAY from water like a magnet. The only time this hasn't happened for me that I noticed is in Majora's Mask. Once you get the Zora Mask, swimming becomes SO much more fun because it is faster and you have more control.
    Perhaps if games were to add an item or ability early on that made swimming faster and more fun, maybe the water levels will become more bearable.

    • @Mike14264
      @Mike14264 Před 2 lety +8

      Or maybe they could let you do that by default...

    • @Clepto_and_Co
      @Clepto_and_Co Před 2 lety +12

      @@Mike14264 depends on the kind of game. Getting the Zora's mask is special because it lets you do that. If it were like that from the start, where would the excitement be? Also, the gravity suit in Metroid would just be an armor upgrade if moving in water wasn't so horrendous without it

    • @Mike14264
      @Mike14264 Před 2 lety +9

      @@Clepto_and_Co yeah, I was still in the mindset about platformers when I wrote that... my bad. But yeah, maybe these items could be introduced before most water-heavy segments, and at least have default swimming not be a total pain...

    • @Tazerboy_10
      @Tazerboy_10 Před 2 lety +1

      Yup

  • @RamensNoodles-me6ne
    @RamensNoodles-me6ne Před 2 lety +241

    If there’s any game that does ocean levels well it’s Rayman Origins/Legends.
    They have it all:
    -No oxygen limit
    -Underwater Schmovement
    -diverse environments
    It’s good trust me

    • @gwan1714
      @gwan1714 Před 2 lety +11

      Ah yes rayman legends, one of my fav levels are those underwater spy levels. And ori 2 has really really nice water movement too (once you have the upgrades)

    • @rerrrrrrrrrrrrrr
      @rerrrrrrrrrrrrrr Před 2 lety +3

      Some of my favorite levels from my favorite game

    • @TheLudicrousLuv
      @TheLudicrousLuv Před 2 lety +3

      Honestly id have been mad if he didnt mention rayman underwater levels because those go so hard

    • @yohhh6715
      @yohhh6715 Před 2 lety +6

      GLOO GLOO GLOO GLOOGLOOGLOO

    • @rerrrrrrrrrrrrrr
      @rerrrrrrrrrrrrrr Před 2 lety +3

      @@yohhh6715 Best music level from the game

  • @kyoswimm
    @kyoswimm Před 2 lety +15

    I think tropical freeze have some of my favorite water levels, period. One of them doesn’t even take place underwater- it takes place in a JUICE FACTORY. You’re swimming around in pink juice to avoid sharks and giant juicers. It’s so good.

  • @Dani-yo
    @Dani-yo Před rokem +5

    3:53 finally the sprite sea

  • @rosettastar1442
    @rosettastar1442 Před 2 lety +306

    You know, I'm actually on a game dev career path, so, once I'm able to get started, I'll take your suggestions and ideas into consideration!
    I agree, the ocean, and underwater environments in general, have SO MUCH POTENTIAL.. unfortunately gets wasted.

  • @JellyJessYT
    @JellyJessYT Před 2 lety +1953

    I love how Madz can do a video pretty much on any gaming related topic and makes it so interesting aha ALSO THE VISUALS ARE AMAZING AHH!

    • @Huedenne
      @Huedenne Před 2 lety +48

      It's the mark of great personality and presentation for sure

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  Před 2 lety +162

      Thank you so much Jess!!

    • @nyaahaha.
      @nyaahaha. Před 2 lety +12

      @@GetMadz hi -

    • @Angle_city_elite
      @Angle_city_elite Před 2 lety +11

      It's a masterpiece it's a masterpiece

    • @koro394
      @koro394 Před 2 lety +3

      @@GetMadz dude your visuals are amazing man you earned it

  • @Toprak135
    @Toprak135 Před 2 lety +7

    0:01 *_THE GAMING_*

  • @yotsuba6352
    @yotsuba6352 Před 2 lety +49

    I love water levels in Kirby games, they usually have a specific *flow* to them that makes them fun while not having them overstay their welcome ☺️

    • @GoroAkechi_Real
      @GoroAkechi_Real Před 2 lety +2

      Except for that one water level in Triple Deluxe’s world Endless Explosions, because it’s a hybrid water/lava level. Most of the others are fine and the Forgotten Land ones are *really good* for water levels.

    • @Door227
      @Door227 Před rokem

      @@GoroAkechi_Realwait are there even any underwater levels in kafl I thought it was only beach episodes

  • @milesperhour2286
    @milesperhour2286 Před 2 lety +153

    Well, I think the answer to all these things you asked for is the horrifying game I bought and never got out of the first area. Subnautica. It’s really easy to swim, there is the depth you mentioned, and it’s incredibly diverse. Problem is it’s so scary with the leviathans.

    • @Aegisdex
      @Aegisdex Před 2 lety +17

      It took me about an hour to have the balls to approach the aurora so yeah checks out

    • @milesperhour2286
      @milesperhour2286 Před 2 lety +5

      @@Aegisdex I never even played in survival and couldn’t go anywhere near there.

    • @miigi-p4939
      @miigi-p4939 Před 2 lety +8

      I played the game
      A fish screamed and exploded
      I uninstalled the game
      I am too scared of water in games in general even in mario galaxy
      It doesn't feel slow
      It feels scary

    • @milesperhour2286
      @milesperhour2286 Před 2 lety +8

      @@miigi-p4939 that sounds like the general experience of someone who played subnautica

    • @cyanorturquoise5989
      @cyanorturquoise5989 Před 2 lety +4

      Subnautica is AMAZING, YES!

  • @cammoore___
    @cammoore___ Před 2 lety +48

    If there's no water in a video game, then no man can fall into the river in Lego City. This would be a massive problem.

    • @socki_da_drummer
      @socki_da_drummer Před 2 lety

      havent thought about that meme in years

    • @cammoore___
      @cammoore___ Před 2 lety

      @@socki_da_drummerwell now you have

    • @unfunnyguy1530
      @unfunnyguy1530 Před 2 lety

      @@socki_da_drummer you better start building that rescue helicopter

  • @antusFireNova64
    @antusFireNova64 Před 2 lety +62

    As an aspiring game designer, One of my life goals would be to revolutionize water leves for the reasons you described in the video
    And yes we should talk about the super chad Minecraft 1.13 water movement more often

  • @-K_J-
    @-K_J- Před 2 lety +7

    The Spyro trilogy had my favorite water levels. Sometimes I'd revisit them just to...hang around. There was no oxygen mechanic so there was no rush. It was just pretty.

  • @ThatCubicBoy
    @ThatCubicBoy Před 2 lety +465

    The animation is sooooo good! a big improvement on the art style too!

    • @idkwhatnametochoose6197
      @idkwhatnametochoose6197 Před 2 lety +3

      ye thats what i was noticing loved the animation

    • @robosid8063
      @robosid8063 Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah!! But way does look like a FNF character. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    • @beanz3623
      @beanz3623 Před 2 lety

      face bump and chin

  • @martjanamoon1785
    @martjanamoon1785 Před 2 lety +195

    You can literally tell how the developers themselves dont want you to spend much time in the water, why would they otherwise limit your oxygen so you have to leave the water every few moments?
    Now that I think about it, that is really a weird design, them giving us a very limited time to spend in this environment they designed for us... they must hate water levels as much as everyone else

    • @Haganeren
      @Haganeren Před 2 lety +2

      It's easy to SAY that...
      Now let see all the playtester in the WORLD not understanding why the water in your game control like outer space without oxygen in your game because that's more fun... You will see pain.... mentioning
      But still... Sure we can still find it easily in Mario because he is a cartoon character ( In Mario Odyssey for exemple they resolved the problem by having you possess fish which is.. How you swim most of the time actually )... But for Monster Hunter ? Much much harder because realism come back.
      A very important rule to Game Design is to have something that feel "natural" in order to not explain anything to the player which is most likely why this design choice isn't as weird as the youtuber say it is.

  • @FauxCr0w
    @FauxCr0w Před 2 lety +15

    With the having to breath thing, it'd be cool in a 3D zelda game to get a snorkel or some item/clothing set that allows you to go breathe under water

    • @ByteBits
      @ByteBits Před 3 měsíci

      Zora Tunic OoT (an item in a 3D Zelda game that allows you to breathe underwater)

  • @phantompop3192
    @phantompop3192 Před 2 lety +3

    Pretty clever use of the game boy start up sound ngl 1:41

  • @AndroidHarris
    @AndroidHarris Před 2 lety +96

    I think the best example is the zora mask from majoras mask. No breathing and jet ski controls makes it super fun if only the great bay had went deeper underwater and had more enclosed areas and swimming challenges.

    • @ArtistLunatalia
      @ArtistLunatalia Před 2 lety +3

      And if they didn't make it worse on the 3DS remaster! The original controls were excellent and much more fun to play with.

    • @AndroidHarris
      @AndroidHarris Před 2 lety +1

      @@ArtistLunatalia I only played the 3ds version and even I think it was one of the best examples if the original was even better than that's pretty awesome.

  • @fennecfoe
    @fennecfoe Před 2 lety +387

    when i played mario oddessy i turned off assistant mode when I got to the lake kingdom bcus it (assisted mode) lets you breathe underwater. I was SO confused trying to find the boss fight w/o arrows lol

    • @fennecfoe
      @fennecfoe Před 2 lety +5

      @TommyGaming 🅥 you aren't clever ik this is a rickroll

    • @rocktoo7603
      @rocktoo7603 Před 2 lety +10

      I always just looked at spots that look like a boss arena. Or just looked for the boss airship.

    • @boop7784
      @boop7784 Před 2 lety +13

      @@rocktoo7603 my logic exactly. "What place would be a good arena..... that would be a good one!
      *starts boss fight*
      "Knew it"

    • @pixelatedink774
      @pixelatedink774 Před 2 lety +8

      Wait people use assist mode?

    • @Luigi3289
      @Luigi3289 Před 2 lety +3

      @@pixelatedink774 I do cause it’s easier underwater and it gives you more health

  • @Hanrydd
    @Hanrydd Před rokem +3

    There's also a game themed around water: ABZÛ
    It's a short indie game with very beautiful environments (and music--)
    You can grab onto large fish and swim along with it. You can even jump out from water!! Feels amazing
    I'm actually surprised I don't see it mentioned that much

  • @CleoVD
    @CleoVD Před 2 lety +36

    I’ve never watched one of your videos before but this was amazing, the visuals and ideas were all perfect. Although it doesn’t mean much from one random person, you’ve earned a like and subscribe without a doubt 👍

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  Před 2 lety +12

      thank u so much! trust me that means a lot!!

  • @TheRealJangjuviusJohnsonIII

    It's awesome when you change your artstyle ever so slightly every video but still a very beautifully animated video

  • @CharacterDesignForge
    @CharacterDesignForge Před 2 lety +418

    Your production quality and value over the years man, I’m shedding a tiny tear. S’beautiful
    And I’m right there with you. Beautiful colorful ocean life, FLUID controls, it’s untapped and ripe for good gameplay!

    • @guiltytoastwithbutter8025
      @guiltytoastwithbutter8025 Před 2 lety +5

      I’m here before this comment is rlly popular I agree so much!

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  Před 2 lety +36

      Thank you so much for the support Brookes!! It truly means a lot coming from you

    • @59812
      @59812 Před 2 lety +4

      DUDE WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE

    • @that1sprig
      @that1sprig Před 2 lety +2

      I didn’t expect you to be here!

    • @kastov74u
      @kastov74u Před 2 lety +1

      OGs remember the X's in the eyes

  • @TheLastPichu
    @TheLastPichu Před rokem +5

    1:03 if there was an underwater level nobody would get to play as they would just keep drowning or exploding whatever

  • @SuperStarStudiosPlush
    @SuperStarStudiosPlush Před 2 lety +12

    I'm SO glad Kirby and the Forgotten Land got water levels right!

    • @Door227
      @Door227 Před rokem +3

      While I love Kirby and the forgotten land, those are not water levels those are beach levels. Water levels mostly refer to going underwater

    • @SuperStarStudiosPlush
      @SuperStarStudiosPlush Před rokem +1

      @@Door227 I guess that's true!

  • @MsRGaymer4170
    @MsRGaymer4170 Před 2 lety +8

    3:14
    Fun fact, now we've acttually explored 20%

  • @that1sprig
    @that1sprig Před 2 lety +73

    If there’s one game I think has good underwater levels, I’d have to say Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze. Sure, yeah, slippery controls, but that’s pretty much a given in underwater levels. But there are enough movement options to keep it interesting and fast paced more so than other games. And I noticed the art style improvement! It looks great!

    • @jclkaytwo
      @jclkaytwo Před 2 lety +5

      the fast movement and especially the variety of scenery/gameplay elements makes the underwater levels in tropical freeze some of the best. amiss abyss has gotta be my favourite underwater level I've played in a game. and they actually managed to make an underwater boss fight decently fun.

    • @unfunnyguy1530
      @unfunnyguy1530 Před 2 lety +2

      rayman origins did it first

    • @trashratx2438
      @trashratx2438 Před 2 lety +3

      @@unfunnyguy1530 Rayman legends had pretty good water levels too

    • @Handles_be_dumb
      @Handles_be_dumb Před 2 lety +1

      Majora's Mask had really fun swimming in the Zora form.

  • @mrhinderance4279
    @mrhinderance4279 Před 2 lety +3

    6:02 This might sound weird, but Roblox in my opinion has a great water system. In the game Quill Lake, you dive underwater and collect artifacts. You have to first unlock freediving training, then a scuba suit, then specialty scuba suits designed for extreme heat, extreme cold, eradiated water, and even a disguise to enter a ghost pirate area. Basically, the deeper you go, the more stuff you have to do to successfully enter that area. It also has a blur effect is you're in an area that is dangerous to your current diving setup.

  • @Num1MarioFan
    @Num1MarioFan Před rokem +5

    4:41 Wowza!

  • @ilan_profile
    @ilan_profile Před 2 lety +60

    Idk whats different in this video BUT I LOVED IT, THE VISUALS AND PACING WERE SO PERFECT OMG
    Glad to see you back Madz!

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  Před 2 lety +18

      thank you so much this comment is bringing tears to my eyes!

    • @milesperhour2286
      @milesperhour2286 Před 2 lety +2

      @@GetMadz hey! Umm, I’ve been making a lot of these comments but, have you heard of Subnautica? It’s got good swimming mechanics, there is still oxygen requirements (that you can upgrade), the depth and darkness thing, diverse biomes, pollution, terrifying sea creatures, etc.

    • @michaelnelson1127
      @michaelnelson1127 Před 2 lety

      @@milesperhour2286 That was actually the third game he showed during the positive settings section, when he said “those are the only two.” As for why he glossed over it, I think your last point makes it pretty clear.
      I’m actually more surprised he didn’t mention Abzu. I haven’t played it myself, but from what I’ve seen and heard, it’s a 3D game you spend almost entirely underwater, but the controls are nice, and the environments are absolutely beautiful.

    • @milesperhour2286
      @milesperhour2286 Před 2 lety

      @@michaelnelson1127 I didn’t see subnautica… I’ll have to rewatch it, but your the only one that has said he mentioned it.

    • @milesperhour2286
      @milesperhour2286 Před 2 lety +1

      @@michaelnelson1127 he did show it. But I had to really focus on the gameplay because he says something that sounds like a game that I couldn’t recognize in that section.

  • @dkmainbtw
    @dkmainbtw Před 2 lety +45

    Subnautica has got me be my favorite water based video game of all time it's extremely fun and if you haven't played it you should definitely give it a try.

    • @dkmainbtw
      @dkmainbtw Před 2 lety +3

      For any new players make sure to head towards the spaceship early in the game

    • @snage-thesnakemage
      @snage-thesnakemage Před 2 lety +3

      He shows a clip @ 9:41 but then just doesn’t talk about it like????

  • @blipwazhere4162
    @blipwazhere4162 Před 2 lety +9

    Man, I wish I knew what Madz was talking about when he mentions how fun swimming is. I can't swim.

  • @sketchygarden
    @sketchygarden Před 2 lety +4

    There is so much work put into these videos. The art and animation in this one especially is stellar and it's so visually engaging. You did not need to go this hard but I want to be vocal about how impressive it is!

  • @PikaSmasha
    @PikaSmasha Před 2 lety +28

    5:17 I haven't heard that name in a while. All jokes aside though, Gloo Gloo is one of if not the best water level in terms of controls and stuff like that

  • @EingefrorenesEisen
    @EingefrorenesEisen Před 2 lety +96

    Personally I think oxygen is a perfectly fine mechanic. It just needs to be tuned to take longer, or be more accessible, or at least give players an option to have equipment.
    Having the oxygen meter imo adds a proper amount of tension, and can even be used to be purposefully scary for properly themed levels. I think the fear of it would be alleviated by more fun swimming mechanics like the ones you mentioned.
    Personally I'm also a fan of water levels and absolutely hate when a game makes me die when I touch water or doesn't let me explore it, or god forbid, even has an invisible wall in front of it.
    These days you really gotta test if water will kill you or not as it's never clear whether it will or not.

    • @Awesomeflame16
      @Awesomeflame16 Před 2 lety +3

      it's completely perfect for Subnautica and done so well. when you are running out completely your screen starts blacking out adding even more tension, but if you manage to reach the water it'll immediately go back to normal

    • @lizando1326
      @lizando1326 Před 2 lety

      In monster hunter Tri you had oxygen tanks as consumables, so you didn’t always need to aim for air bubbles all the time or go out of the water. There was also some armor pieces that allowed you to have unlimited oxygen. Although the underwater combat is judged by many to be pretty janky, but I personally got used to it and grew with it being fine anytime I went in the water.

  • @emperorbooglitch8540
    @emperorbooglitch8540 Před 2 lety +1

    And then there is Lego, which basically just said "Walk with Powerup, swim without it" and then they basically still say the same thing except for Pirates of the Carribean, where they added the breathing mechanic to limit your swimming.
    Also, yeah, Minecraft is cool, I loved their swimming mechanics except when I am hungry and I don't have food because I want to set up a farm.
    And finally, your art really did improve since I first seen you in 2017 and last saw you back in 2020! Really neat to see you up here.

  • @TheSunSlime_
    @TheSunSlime_ Před 2 lety +2

    Kirby epic yarn has exactly what you're talking about when it comes to pressure. More specifically with the dolphin power up and I've got to say it's real fun to mess around with :)! It also proves it can be done

  • @plaguedocgames7364
    @plaguedocgames7364 Před 2 lety +26

    I like how Shovel Knight did water. Your speed stays the same but your jump is enhanced and your descent is slightly slower. More control, less restrictions, adds on to the overall gameplay.

    • @LoraLoibu
      @LoraLoibu Před 2 lety +2

      Ah, yes. The Mega Man approach

  • @miles124awspme2
    @miles124awspme2 Před 2 lety +55

    Kingdom Hearts 1’s Atlantica is legitimately one of the most painful gaming experiences in the industry, from the stupid dolphin mechanics to the abysmal Ursula final boss, it’s just a sad mess all around.

    • @WhimsicottFanatic
      @WhimsicottFanatic Před 2 lety +12

      And then KH2 went "Y'hear about rhythm games?"
      And also "You arbitrarily can't progress any further here in Jolly Roger Bay, come back later when you have The Thing that we decided you need"
      And the most laughable part is all you get for it is a Keyblade that boosts ice damage [so, y'know, Blizzard] and is as such only really useful for Data Axel [if you're playing Final Mix] and whatever other things have an ice weakness

    • @lylelylecrocodile2538
      @lylelylecrocodile2538 Před 2 lety +1

      Hydrocity zone from sonic 3 is also really hard

    • @thatitalianlameguy2235
      @thatitalianlameguy2235 Před 2 lety +4

      @@lylelylecrocodile2538 it's an awesome water level and easy.

    • @lylelylecrocodile2538
      @lylelylecrocodile2538 Před 2 lety +1

      @@thatitalianlameguy2235 for me it was hard because of the fish that didn't let you jump

  • @SlippyBoyOfficial
    @SlippyBoyOfficial Před rokem +2

    Wow what a great video!! It was an interesting essay with great humor, great tunes, and FANTASTIC consistent visuals!! You and your team can consider yourselves a new source of inspiration for me and I'm sure many others! Keep up the juicy content! Easy sub :)

  • @spindriftizded2033
    @spindriftizded2033 Před rokem +2

    0:20 fish

  • @squarrot9355
    @squarrot9355 Před 2 lety +15

    Ok I'm going to make a niche reference:
    *Jumpstart*
    They had an underwater area and it was so fun; no breathing, big open world, fun quests, you could walk on the floor or swim, it was so good

  • @LukemoLegend
    @LukemoLegend Před 2 lety +27

    I didn't know madz was obsessed to just some hydrogen and oxygen mixed together.

  • @Dice27
    @Dice27 Před 2 lety +1

    really liked this video, as well as the ideas you brought to fix these issues with water levels! I hope you'll grow even more!!

  • @jasongold4312
    @jasongold4312 Před 2 lety

    Yo, just found your channel. Love the video, lots of fun. Absolutely in love with your character art. It's so fun and expressive.

  • @PixelaGames2000
    @PixelaGames2000 Před 2 lety +13

    I know a 3D game that dose water levels really well Spyro the dragon
    In Spyro you can dash underwater witch means you can move freely underwater and faster as well
    Also there’s no air meter so you don’t have to worry about drowning
    There’s also games that take place entirely underwater like ubosu and subnadinca

  • @lordroy88
    @lordroy88 Před 2 lety +18

    I love how in Mario kart the underwater makes you more floaty and faster in currents. Plus some of the best tracks in the series are underwater. Koopa Cape, piranha plant slide, Wario Shipyard, Dolphin shoals etc

    • @jclkaytwo
      @jclkaytwo Před 2 lety

      koopa cape in mario kart wii actually has normal driving physics, as you are surrounded by a glass tunnel. mario kart 7's version is a different story, that was underwater.

  • @eggsandwich3108
    @eggsandwich3108 Před 2 lety +3

    4:07 THERE ARE NO POSITIVE POINTS

  • @michellehorton6669
    @michellehorton6669 Před 2 lety +2

    5:29
    Subnautica: Am I a joke to you?

  • @stopmotion2645
    @stopmotion2645 Před 2 lety +35

    For me, I just don’t like the sudden slowness of water levels.

  • @disneyvillainsfan1666
    @disneyvillainsfan1666 Před 2 lety +58

    Can we address how In 3D Mario games (With 3D World as an exception) Mario has an air meter, but in the 2D Games, he can swim underwater fine without an air limit. 🤔

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  Před 2 lety +14

      HMMMM...

    • @melonadeplays231
      @melonadeplays231 Před 2 lety +6

      He lost his old lungs

    • @PhantomOfficial07
      @PhantomOfficial07 Před 2 lety +3

      I think it's because in 3D World and the 2D games it's linear and focused on getting to the end of the level and not collecting things so having an air meter there would be even more pointless and make the game just worse

    • @RealQuarlie
      @RealQuarlie Před 2 lety +2

      You see, in a 2D world, volumes don't exist, and therefore air doesn't exist... neither water... or atoms to begin with...

  • @thesupermariolorisreal
    @thesupermariolorisreal Před rokem +2

    6:27 apology not accepted

  • @ETYMF2003
    @ETYMF2003 Před 2 lety

    Your illustrations and animations are great!!

  • @wipvideos
    @wipvideos Před 2 lety +18

    In Pikmin 4 I would love to see a location that takes place in a coral reef or the deepest depths of the ocean. That could lead to some more ridiculously cool boss fights and character designs!

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  Před 2 lety +4

      omg that's such a good idea!!

    • @Wildcard_Ninja
      @Wildcard_Ninja Před 2 lety +1

      So a Blue Pikmin exclusive area? That would be sick, imagine you crash somehow and are drifted on a little island surrounded by water and you have to use blue pikmin to return to the main land and you build a bridge later on for convience

    • @Tazerboy_10
      @Tazerboy_10 Před 2 lety

      😲 - That would be a very cool idea!

  • @drewdonewell2568
    @drewdonewell2568 Před 2 lety +13

    2:44 the sonic rush adventure soundtrack 🔥🔥

  • @darienb1127
    @darienb1127 Před 2 lety +4

    So I really like the idea of being able to grab and kick off of surfaces! But I feel in an action game (Think of something like Kingdom Hearts for example) we cna expand upon it. What if you could use the walls and enemies in your attacks? Like imagine being able to use an enemy, and then kick off of them to home in on anothet target. Additionally, you could kick off the walls to dive at your foes! If you are good you can chain these together and make them part of your combos. In a way, It's like Flowmotion from Dream Drop Distance. But I feel that it could work so well!

  • @sledgen.
    @sledgen. Před rokem +1

    this is amazing. I've wanted someone to make a video like this for SUCH a long time!

  • @arloverde4099
    @arloverde4099 Před 2 lety +6

    When I first saw this, I was like “Mass is totally gonna talk about subnautica”
    Nope

    • @EmeraldVA
      @EmeraldVA Před 2 lety +2

      That's exactly how I felt, I was so sad when Subnautica was absent.

  • @jedidefence
    @jedidefence Před 2 lety +15

    Actually a great video. perfect Idea and execution. Your content is the prefect blend of comedy and actual talk about game design. You and GMTK are some of my fav youtubers :)

  • @jellyshyda3770
    @jellyshyda3770 Před 2 lety +2

    Okay this depth idea is really cool. Might use this mechanic in one of my game projects, it would fit in nicely

  • @kaistudios5536
    @kaistudios5536 Před 2 lety

    When I learn about game design, I totally want to attempt this water moveset you're conceiving! OH, and btw, your art style is visually appealing! Props to you!

  • @tzPxlPlyzYT
    @tzPxlPlyzYT Před 2 lety +9

    Dude water levels will always be my favorite type of level
    Everything about them is just so fresh
    but I do agree there were missed oppurtunities

  • @lucasnoble2554
    @lucasnoble2554 Před 2 lety +16

    Getmadz: uploads a video
    Everyone: the return of the king.

  • @thatrandomredengine9430
    @thatrandomredengine9430 Před 2 lety +2

    I love the ocean, I love the beach, I hate that summer is limited to a few months in a year…in more places.

  • @Tuko2467
    @Tuko2467 Před rokem +2

    You should do more videos like this. It’s fun to hear creative solutions and it gets viewers thinking.

  • @Awesomemay
    @Awesomemay Před 2 lety +7

    Nintendo water looks so quenchable it would taste so good

  • @tdftstudios
    @tdftstudios Před 2 lety +7

    Madz art styles are like pimples.... *They always pop up and are always changing.*

  • @simon-ricardokuhn1713
    @simon-ricardokuhn1713 Před 2 lety +1

    Not sure if this fits here but there's a game, GO Vacation, where you can freely roam around in the resorts. Mii's are also playable. You can swim around in the water but you can't free dive, which is kinda disappointing. There's a SCUBA activity but that's different. I would love to freedive around in the Marine Resort with a Mii buddy following me or having a holding-breath-competition. Or how about something like this but in Wuhu Island? That would be cool, too!

  • @Snakesrcool2003account

    i think this is like my favorite animated character / gameplay type channel now

  • @JoJo-ps8ik
    @JoJo-ps8ik Před 2 lety +8

    Have you played ABZU? The whole game is underwater and fixes like everything you’ve talked about. The controls are fun and you move quickly which makes it the best water controls in my opinion.

    • @magictriangle6878
      @magictriangle6878 Před 2 lety

      Yeah, I thought he'd say it had the best controls, but Minecraft is funnier

  • @r.r.doublecross1251
    @r.r.doublecross1251 Před 2 lety +9

    Wanted to mention that Starfy on DS is a great underwater game that I highly recommend to underwater enthusiasts. 👍

  • @scumbagsteve908
    @scumbagsteve908 Před 2 lety +1

    I feel like a good example of how to due controle in a water area is the Zora Mask in Majoras Mask. Unlike in Ocarina of Time were you just kinda slog around in the water at a snails pace, the Zora form lets you swim through the water like a hot knife through butter, and unsurprisingly it is actually fun to have just as much controle in water as on land. Hell I would argue it is alot funner swimming in the game than walking around (just like real life). I wish more games would have swimming like this, since imo the swimming itself is what makes or breakes a water level.

  • @theshellmaker
    @theshellmaker Před 2 lety +4

    if you want a game with good water levels try "The Legendary Starfy" (half the game takes place under water), its an old game for the ds but it might be on some virtual consoles considering how they made starfy an assist trophy in smash

  • @ratspy-yn9hn
    @ratspy-yn9hn Před 2 lety +9

    water level concepts: instead of having oxygen you have a pressure meter where you cant go up to fast or you get a cramp and start falling deeper and the area is super polluted at the top but the deeper you go despite your sight being more and more limited you see more enemies more passive npcs and at the bottom your at the hydrothermal vents these have yeti crabs that are hostile but are blind and will go to sounds and stuff and will attack you if you get to close dealing heavy damage you also have vampire squid that when you get close they blind you with green ink making your character immobile for a short time as they run away but attack them and they'll take up their spikey cape of teeth and latch on to your head and you have to mash the A button to get the squid off and while your being attacked the vampire squid will be healed by its dps so it deals 2 damage and has a dps of 8 so yeah also for the boss there you find this volcano that is quaking with glowing star fish and kelp on it and the surrounding yeti crabs are saying they cant eat from it so you attack it and it gets up out of the ground with these coral tubes for fingers and it fires a lot of pressure out of its coral tubes also when getting above it it will erupt causing you to overheat and take damage and you don't wanna swim up to fast or that pressure meter is gunna destroy you because you will fall into it and be erupted out with half of your total hp removed so if you have 10 hp it goes to five and if you have 20 it goes to 10 and you get it and you will also take some overheat damage and the pressure corals that shoot out compressed water will launch you into stuff like rocks and crap but it can also suck you in getting you stuck on it as the underwater volcano heats you up before shooting you into a rock or a yeti crab and in phase 2 it starts running away from you still attacking by launching stuff out of its volcano that will overheat you then you reach a brine lake where you fight it and in the end it falls into the brine lake dying and you get the coral pressurizer as the a weapon it launches targets back or sucks them in sucking a target in can allow you to get 5 hits on it max before either the target breaks free or you shoot it into a rock it essentially is a better gravity gun from half life being able to grab targets and shoot them into stuff and if you shoot your target at closer range the more impact damage it does this also depends on the surface your target hits the strongest being rocks steel and spikes you can also launch ragdolls and its really fun and you can use it to launch your self by shooting it at the ground making you essentially rocket jump but you take no damage and you get sent further flying also it include the other underwater physics included in the video end of idea.

    • @nethowarrior3294
      @nethowarrior3294 Před 2 lety +4

      this is the most absurd run-on sentence i have ever read. please add some capitalization. a comma, perhaps?

    • @ratspy-yn9hn
      @ratspy-yn9hn Před 2 lety

      @@nethowarrior3294 no

    • @polarispulsar
      @polarispulsar Před 2 lety +3

      Grammarly can help you knock down wordy and hard to read sentences into well formatted easy to read sentences.

  • @MantaKizaemonFTW
    @MantaKizaemonFTW Před 2 lety +3

    This is one of my favorite videos of yours. The Wii sports resort music at some bit of the bit made me realize something. I would LOVE to see a game that's like Wii Sports Resort, but with a priority for water activities

  • @piber_3927
    @piber_3927 Před 2 lety +1

    6:07 scuba diving at quill lake

  • @veltaishere
    @veltaishere Před 2 lety

    I like the paint art stile
    And the ocean stile is FANTASTIC

  • @portalmastergavin605
    @portalmastergavin605 Před 2 lety +3

    I require more oil spill themed water levels I am completely deprived

  • @yolomationanimation9784
    @yolomationanimation9784 Před 2 lety +5

    These are really great points, and there’s one thing I’m very curious about and wanna see.
    Blind water
    Basically like black ink or oil patches spewed into the water in certain areas causing light to be obscured and almost act as that section in breath of the wild where that forest was super duper dark and then you accidentally ram yourself into the hands of a stone talus or something

  • @sanse4619
    @sanse4619 Před 2 lety

    This animation is AMAZING! Great work!

  • @jmad6476
    @jmad6476 Před 2 lety +1

    i barely remember most water levels in videogames. Kirby's epic yarn water levels? I can tell you what happens in that game; some crazy ass shit! Kirby and Prince Fluff turn into tiny submarines underwater and they go about the same speed on land as in water. And you got the beach world with the level with the shifting water levels, the one with the dolphin and you just tear through enemies and also JUGGLE BALLS! THATS AWESOME! And the part where you're getting chased by a big ass anglerfish god I love that game :)

  • @cosmicspacething3474
    @cosmicspacething3474 Před 2 lety +2

    9:39 I also heard Starfy is pretty good

  • @theguywhodoesthings9608
    @theguywhodoesthings9608 Před 2 lety +7

    As I am learning to be a game desighner myself, all of this would actually work amazingly!

  • @pika-azurill2465
    @pika-azurill2465 Před 2 lety +2

    I'm honestly surprised that Spyro 2 and 3 (Original controls specifically) wasn't mentioned here! I always used to adore their water levels, it was so smooth and fun to charge through the water. Maybe try those levels out and see if it compares?

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  Před 2 lety +1

      I've actually never played a Spyro game! the closest I've gotten is Crash Purple LOL
      Do they still hold up in the reignited trilogy?

    • @pika-azurill2465
      @pika-azurill2465 Před 2 lety

      @@GetMadz They're a tad bit more slippery in the Reignited Trilogy, as you don't come to a complete stop unlike in the original games if you stop moving/charging, and your turns, at least to me, feel wider- but they're still extremely passable and nice compared to most 3d games and how they handle swimming! In my opinion!
      Also, no holding your breath underwater mechanics! The closest they ever get to that is one section in Spyro 3 in a late-game world, and that's because you have an invincibility power up and you're swimming in ACID! It's cool stuff!

  • @alfonsoroneras7821
    @alfonsoroneras7821 Před 2 lety +5

    Top 10 british moments
    Number 1: 0:44

  • @fredducine7109
    @fredducine7109 Před 2 lety +4

    i love this new animation style and the expressions! It goves you a lot more personality :)

  • @fasterkestrel4254
    @fasterkestrel4254 Před 2 lety +3

    Absolutely LOVED the little talking bits with you floating in the water! Glad to see some spice to the vids!

  • @mayzdev
    @mayzdev Před 2 lety

    Love the animation + art style so good

  • @thundercat9427
    @thundercat9427 Před 2 lety

    Your video looks amazing. I have the feeling that your style got way more expressive

  • @WunderwaffePrime
    @WunderwaffePrime Před 2 lety +3

    Great video, you have some really good suggestions for improving underwater gameplay. Another couple of games that execute underwater gameplay well are Spyro 2 & 3 (specifically the originals), underwater movement in Spyro feels super fluid (pun intended), and levels like Seashell Shores feel great to traverse with the land and water movement mixed in

    • @y2commenter246
      @y2commenter246 Před 2 lety +1

      Absolutely criminal to see Spyro only mentioned in this comment. That series nailed 3D swimming and nobody else seemed to copy it.

    • @WunderwaffePrime
      @WunderwaffePrime Před 2 lety

      @@y2commenter246 I know, right!? The water levels in Spyro 2 & 3 feel so natural and it sucks that the swimming controls in the Reignited Trilogy feel so stiff in comparison.

  • @twoone4574
    @twoone4574 Před 2 lety +5

    Subnautica is a water game done right. The only problems are the pop in (which is even worse on switch) and the leviathans that want to kill you.

    • @DeadbushCarrot
      @DeadbushCarrot Před 2 lety

      Dude the pop in on xbox1 and ps4 was fine it is fixed a bit in the ps5 version and the switch is runing on a rock with potato on a led screen

  • @WhatIsMyPorpoise
    @WhatIsMyPorpoise Před 2 lety

    fun fact: you can actually boost yourself underwater in 3 ways: swimming boots(depth strider enchantment), dolphins(swim speed boost when nearby), and finally...
    tridents. With the Riptide enchantment, you get an attack that propulses you in whichever direction you choose, basically the cling mechanic you described. It's honestly one of the funnest ways to move around in minecraft and allows for platforming in minecraft using water platforms.

  • @CyclopsMonabeckman
    @CyclopsMonabeckman Před 2 lety

    I just now discovered you, but your art style is beyond amazing