Now after watching this go back and watch the last 3 defense videos I made and see where I was wrong. Look no one is infalliable, so I don't expect yall to be right, so yall can't expect me to be right, however in this, I AM DEFINITELY 100% Sure with a 3 module investment this is the strongest survivability in the game, you can't get any better than this. I challenge you to prove me wrong, I'd be happy to be tankier than I already am for the upcoming dungeons. Even if all this math was wrong (probably not) in game it's been shown and many can acct to running hp and shields being better and it's not even close. And if you guys say content creators don't know what they're talking about then please tell me who does? The people who lab right? Well I lab, ryechew labs, and moxsy has a whole squad of people who lab and feed them the info to bring it to the public, so if all content creators are now agreeing on the same thing, how come the community isn't? Well I'm sorry but you're just not labbing, anyone willing to do the test of neutering def to increase your hp as high as you can and invest a little into shields, go online and watch the difference, run no def except the legendary perk for the component and watch the 3 module shine. The least investment with the most return, it's optimal, yall can say what you want about def, but the only way I'm running def is if it's coming with some damage I need to min max dps on a build, and even still I'd just try to increase my dps with a straight up value or a larger quality of life value, not the added on def modules with qol buffs. So there's no room for def without it being a 4 module investment unless you're gley. At the end of the day you not running shields or high hp means you miss out on 2 regen abilities, idc how you look at it or if you like it or not, I don't care if you dislike out of rage from here on out. I'm right, and it's not only mathematically sound with the general consensus of those who actually labbed all of the damage numbers defensively and offensively, but it also has passed the visual test every single time, it's passed the time test every single time compared to 34k-111k def... because again the stat can be lowered by enemy attacks. In short a conclusion everyone can have is you need MAX HP. So there's nothing wrong about what I'm saying, and it would never be worse than def, and it will always yield the biggest return with a 3 module investment, which most builds it's all you can afford, running anything more is more investment, less dps, worse builds, etcc. I'm done making videos on this topic, you either adapt and grow (as I had to) or you stay stuck ang get left behind. Onto the next. I don't want anymore comments on what's better for you or what you think, show me a side by side comparison and lets see... I tested my defense against every hard level boss in the game and my optimizations won EVERY SINGLE TIME.
6k def for base enzo 1600 def... SHOULD be about 20% dr... so for EHP x1.25 (yea i believe def damage reduction applies to shields too, it looks like the red number you see when taking damage is the same whether it's hitting your shields or health) 48k def SHOULD be about 40% dr... so for EHP that's x1.67 idk what 40k or 60k def is, but it's close because at 96k def it's 47% dr or x1.89.... so 40k and 60k are both less than 47% dr or x1.89 With your "life" numbers so 6k, 22k "life", that's really like 27500 EHP 48k, 9500 to 11500 "life" that's really like 15800 to 19200 EHP so yes, you have more EHP with the low defense setup! HOWEVER healing and shield regeneration is ALSO affected by the EHP calculation so if you go into def and have closer to 20k EHP rather than 30k, but you'll be gaining health and shield 34% faster per second so in terms of health-gating or shield-gating i think you do want some defense because when gating it's the rates that matter more, not the totals but idk... who lives longer while getting smashed by colossus... because end of the day that's what matters, not the math
You don't know anyone who's able to get such big returns from those mods because hardly anyone has gotten that good rolls on their external components. Simple as that.
Only character(s) that greatly benefits on Def increase is Ajax ( & Gley since she doesn't have shields ). I can't speak on Kyle since i don't have him. Otherwise, ball out on everyone else.
100% He talks pure nonsense. Your health pool, defense and shield are all helping you mitigating damage so you don't die and all of them have good value. It is all about creating a balance of all 3 as that is the cheapest way to mitigate damage and survive. He clearly does not understand that you reach a point of all 3 stats where you get very little back from increasing it with a very high cost. When he reaches that value with his shield, he will be MUCH better of by increasing his defense instead of increasing his shield more. He seems to mainly play Enzo and Gley and think it is the same for the rest of the descendants as well. He clearly thinks he is smarter than he really is...
Indeed. My Ajax has 15K HP, 25K DEF 900 shield and I’m not threatened by bosses AT ALL. I am trying to retool my mods for for a little less DEF and more HP since the barriers key of HP and DEF so I forsake Shield.
@@The_Judge300 didnt you listen? or do you just dont understand? z00ko ist totally right about the math. u dont need def at all. my bunny is running 2k shield, 15k life and 4,5k def.. i am totally fine at all bosses solo or in group as other bunnies die frequently
@@The_Judge300 you dont know how to math bro. defense starts hitting massive diminishing returns around 20/25k, and so does resist around 7k. HP is king. This guy is right. Theres plenty of theorycraft/testing dedicated youtube channels that have all come to this conclusion as well.
Great vid . Hp is king my bunny can survive a lot more than implementing def at 75% & 25% invested into health.. now I’m strictly 100% hp moving forward. Characters have built in defense
I will add that Spear and Shield, along with things like Agony, which have a mix of DEF and another stat (from skill power to more MP) are often mainly taken not because of the DEF. The DEF is a nice bonus. No, those are often taken (at least by the builds I prefer) because they are the only other thing one can do to boost one's DPS. Those builds tends to get 4 max HP's for main stats when not using a specific set and have generally 1-2 HP mods on them and even that is a stretch. As the point of the builds is to get DPS. The only shield increasing mods that help boost power (as to oppose Spear and Shield and Agony like mods) is Weighing the Scales that reduces skill cost by a small bit, which can be used by most descendants. And Amplification control, that offers a good amount of extra skill range with shields, but that is more situational on descendants that can take advantage of that and doesn't directly increase DPS unless you are struggling to keep a boss in range or are using it for mobbing if it is AoE. Spear and Shield however offers Skill Power (not Skill Power Modifier) which is more often useful of the two skill power buffs, while Agony helps any descendant that has an MP bar, which is almost all of them. Both help in directly allowing for more DPS in any situation. Just pointing out that a reason to take those any of these four, be it the shield or the def ones, is not because they offer shields or def stats, but because you are aiming for more DPS and you're getting these as a nice bonus on the side.
Unless you're trying to mix-max for damage against Colossus, taking Spear and Shield for the skill power is even sillier than taking it for the DEF. Enemies health values are stratified in a way that a 8.1% damage increase (at best) will almost never make a difference. All you're doing is taking a worse survivability mod. Agony and Weighing the Scales are straight garbage. Every mod slot is precious.
Great video. Way too many people in the comments who dont know how to math and have never heard of diminishing returns. I completely avoid defense and resist wherever I can get HP or damage, and im flying through hardmode content, have only been playing a week. Glad I did not get baited into defense and resists like all the day 1 players LOL, unlucky!
You're mostly right but you are getting caught up on the same thing I mentioned in your other videos. For clarity high hp and/or shields is the best way to go depending on descendent as you and I agree on. I think you're underestimating defence using small numbers as examples for the sake of simplicity. Defense becomes valuable if the damage received is high. Let's use money for fun would you prefer 50% of 100 dollars or 50% of 5000? 5000 is the obvious answer in terms of damage if you have 5k hp 0 defense ( keeping it simple) 5k damage you are dead but 50% reduction you'll have 2500 hp. Now In your other video I mentioned again you are mostly right but testing on devour is not a good test devour doesn't hit that hard he hits small numbers as ticks so defence won't really shine here vs the loss of life hp/shield. Now pyro on the other hand hits very hard and having 30% reduction can save you from getting cheesed. The devs know what they are doing there's a reason they give recommended stats before facing a boss but knowing the sweet spots in stats you can ignore all that jazz. I'm saying all this because I see so many players running around thinking they are tanky until they get hit with a high damage number and die randomly. Another test you can do is fight those bosses in missions on hard mode that have the shotty take a point blank shot of that is enough to humble even me lol In summary small DMG numbers makes defense appear bad, big damage numbers that should one shot defense will shine here..... Another point this affects DPS you get more damage in tanking hits instead of running from the high damage attacks of bosses. Key is balance be tough enough to deal real damage and don't die.
Truth is most of these youtubers don't understand how hp and Def work together I roll 20k hp with 30k Def with almost negative shield and I tank fine but if I had only 20k hp I'd get one shotted against hard bosses
@@RIPPERwBFGYou wouldn't, I run 0 defense mods on my lepic in case I don't one shot the boss and it gets enraged, so I can die fast and reset my Z cooldown, since slayer set gives HP and Shield, even using 0 defensive modules, I'm not getting one shot.
@@pedrothinYeah but aren’t you talking about solo bossing? If you were to go against frost walker, obstructor or molten fortress you are technically fighting a stronger boss that you can’t one shot with your lepic build. If u had no defense with pure HP i guarantee u will die in 1 hit.
@@wen8592I'm farming frost walker as Lepic and I'm NOT getting one shot, In fact the only time I die is when I kill myself after flames phase to reset my Z cooldown, and that's all because I use freeze immunity mod that share same slot with other debuff immunity mods and DMG mods, I have no idea why people keep stuffing their char with HP and stuff and don't use debuff immunity mods (that also raise elemental resistance). Battle of stamina is more than enough since it also give skill duration (and is already part of the damage build anyway). Only people that die at frost walker are Bunnies and not because the character is bad, it's because they are kinda forced to get too close for their high voltage thing. Lepic I'm just at range shooting stuff (and that's why you should take these "defense is bad" videos with a grain of salt, gameplay of descendants is not the same for all of them, so what applies to Bunny maybe doesn't apply to Lepic, to Gley or whatever) Obstructor dies fast enough to be a threat and molten fortress shouldnt even hit you. Give it a try, most of the time people die to frost walker due to those homing missiles that freeze, I assure it will be easy for you if you are immune to that.
I 100% agree with you. His logic is clearly flawed and he clearly doesn't understand the mechanics in the game. When I saw he did his "testing" solo against Devourer, I had a good laugh and shook my head. That is like testing a "bulletproof" vest with a 22lr and think you are safe against 9mm bullets. He is a typical example of someone that thinks he is smarter than he really is. The devs do not put defense in the game just for the fun of it and not letting it have any value. The key is balance. You survive the best by having a good pool of all three of shield, defense and health and not skipping any of them unless it is Gley. The balancing depends on what descendant it is. If you mainly or only encounter low to medium damage and only high damage now and then, then focusing mainly or even only on health and shield can be VERY good, but if you encounter much high and very high damage, then defense is VERY good to invest in as well. Your health and shield can very well mitigate the lower damage without and defense present, but a hard hitting boss easily one-shots you if you don't add a good number of defense. I find it hilarious with all these guys that make these videos and want to "teach" everyone the "right" way as they think they have the answer and are so much smarter than everybody else. 99% of the time their logic and/or testing is flawed to very flawed.
After watching this video I decided to try an approach following your advice on most of my Descendants using two HP modules; Increased HP and Stim Accelerant with with the Slayer External Component set which has Defense as the Auxiliary Power's main stat and I have bonus DEF on the Memory granting me a bonus of 6,000+ DEF; the bonus on the memory is only 2,400 so it could be better. The other pieces main stat is Shields, Shields and HP. So far I have noticed a major increase in survivability on my characters as opposed to stacking two main stat DEF components with DEF modules. The results speak for themselves and earned a well deserved Like and Subscribe, thank you!
also tldr for people, max hp>element defense>defense, element defence, helps towards the element attacks all enemys do, defense is only calculating gun shot damage, hp is the base all damage goes through, depending on bosses use elements, or zones with specific elements, but otherwise defence over 32k is pointless unless ajax, 32k is 50% gun damage reduction, match elements with bosses but otherwise stack health because having room is better then nothing
It's a descendant by descendant basis. Enzo, Ajax benefit from shield for example. 25-35k def and the rest in health. I've been running 3 to 1 ratio def/hp for most descendants and seem to be fine
Ajax has been my main since day one. Ive got a little over 30k defense and a little over 14k hp and that seems to work good against everything but hanged man, and I'm only stuck on him because I have to random match.
I am reading the comments, and STILL people are using the two terms defense and shields interchangeably. They are not the same thing. And Gley cannot use MP or Shields, she has to dump into health and some defense.
After watching & listening to this vid it helps me understand more of how things work. I must admit I spoke prematurely n your resent video & yes I was wrong. Thanks to u I now have a more clear & better understanding on how values work. I’ve changed my setup & I have better & longer survivability. Hats off to u my brutha & continue keepin people like myself informed. GG’s 🫡
Just for those watching, they should check out Ryechews Games video on Defence. He does explain the 10% damage mitigations are compound into an exponential decay and shouldn't just be added together in case you were curious.
Yo, you deserve all the thumbs ups, thanks for going in and doing the dirty work to literally show the facts. Also, not talking bad about Ryechew (and neither did you, you gave him props and so do I) but I think you just showed the difference between theoretical math and applied math. You’re still using math and hard numbers but putting them in real world context with the game.
Best mods for defense IMO are the ones that make you immune to debuffs, they share the same slot, so max them all and use to counter the boss you are facing. They also share slots with all skill crit related mods and other offensive mod, so you dont waste a slot for defensive only (which is bad for farming). I use 1 HP mod and 1 immunity mod for group play and thats it. For solo play whatever, I go full damage because a dead boss wont hurt me and I want to die fast because If I need to die is to refresh my cooldowns, solo bosses are easy.
Its weird watching this video and reading these comments because I am all about dps, I don't care about being tanky. My Lepic build has zero survivability modules, max mp and mp recovery external parts. I have to use cover to survive so I treat it like im in a pvp game. In a public match against any hard boss, I usually do around 2/3 of the overall damage and the boss never really gets below 5 mins. All I usually need is 2-3 ults and the boss is done. My teammates just need to survive and aggro the boss a little to help take the heat off me. I can solo bosses as well with this build bit its not as much fun and feels cheesy.
24:24 is fantastic, this is what you were saying in your previous videos and people still did not comphrend the whole thing. they just think defense good. Damage reduction good. yes but they failed to realize it takes from another pool. your hp. its just plain logic. got to break it down barney style to some people i swear. if you have 10 apples and you give everyone half an apple,(50% dr) you gave away 5 whole apples .but if you have 10 apples and give everyone a whole apple(no dr), you gave away 10 apples. if you have 50 apples and gave away 2 apples (max hp negative defense) you still gave away apples to 25 people.
Only people that have no clue what to do in the game or able to think for themself can follow this, this is not NEW meta, it is YOUR meta, there's a difference. Slapping random stuff together just to make HP, Shield or DEF number go up is not efficient and that is what the 'E' in META stands for. There is no free substats, you are always sacrificing something, with any character that uses mp skills, you need max mp, mp recovery in combat and mp recovery modifier.
If your defense is lowered then having more defense is better because the diminishing return is lower. So defense shine best when your defense is lowered by boss if your defense is high
I'm not saying that you're wrong, but everyone says that shields is a trash stat. You're literally the first person that said shields are good, and I've looked into this shit a lot.
Nice vid, i got a god roll on my mini-fridge component giving me double defense to 7.4k and gold mutliplier. This will free up the defense mod 🤟, and yes i agree more max hp gives you more health when picking up orbs.
This is definitely the tankiest module combination no doubt (just main gley for about 50 hours and you'll see HP is all you need), but you have to consider, you're locking in 3 cerulean slots which don't give any notable bonuses to anything other than HP alone. Also, there's only a few mods that give hp that aren't cerulean, such as time distribution but only at ~50%. So you'd be sacrificing your DPS no doubt. And yes, dead players can't do DPS. Depending on your playstyle you can work without such a slot commitment. Just what you prefer.
You're the one who opened my eyes to the fact that defense is WORTHLESS and I am so happy that I saw your video! I threw all defense out the window and focused on hp and/or shields and i can't remember the last time I died lol (u got a new sub)
He is capping or totally clueless and making you as clueless as well. Defense is NOT worthless. Far from it. He clearly understand way less than he thinks he does. For most descendants you are best off by balancing health, shield and defense to give you an optimum chance to not die.
@@tylercarter6207 You dont even have to not "over do it" you can avtively avoid it and replace it with HP wherever you can. It's a garbage stat, same with resist. Unless you have a line where you cant get hp or defense and cant put damage, like on external components, free damage reduction is free afterall.
@@yangpaan453 respectfully I disagree with any of these being trash because 20k def 20k hp gley im running for my life 15-20k hp 30k def good but not great to me 40k 20k + what ever resistant it just always feels perfect I don’t use mod spots for def at all component only , and I can face tank for about 25 secs without moving if I got agro ( except that dead bride dog in heat )but guys we don’t need to argue we need to just keep theory crafting for the community and find the best way to build.
I'll be that guy because i want too. You're a melanated king. Of course folks gonna do everything they can to discredit you after someone less melanated drew up some numbers.
@@marceljoshuadelfierro9575 because ajax needs hp and def nothing else. with enchanced body you gain extra shields and hp based on your def. with overwhelming HP you convert all shield to HP. basically around 80k def with 40k hp.
Maybe shield in combat is ok but theres no reason to take out of combat shield over max mp and mp recovery in combat, running away and not shooting cripples your damage by comparison. I expected you to mention that elemental damage ignores defence, its only reduced by elemental resist. Elemental resist and a large health pool is better than stacking shield. A lot of 'pros' only use 1 defensive module, and not even a pure one; one that gives under 100% bonus and cooldown or skill power. Not to mention stacking hp bonuses also have diminishing returns. Going from 318% health to 552% health is only a 73.5% bonus. Your running shield as main stats and using a module for it to equal a little over 10% total health. 16k def vs 6k def would be like 60% damage taken instead of 75% taken, which is a 25% difference. Using increased defence instead of increased shields is better even when you stack 3 +shield stats. If you got max hp instead of max shields on those the difference becomes even larger
@@jessyiscute7860 😂😂😂💁🏽♂️ it’s for people to be able to map out the things as well to recreate the process. And for the sake of keeping things consistent for the viewer. I was a 3.8 GPA who didn’t take school seriously with a 31 on the act test. I have a 141 iq. I’m smart, and have been told exactly that since I was 2 years old
I won’t let any character I play have less than 10k HP. Even Bunny. I just can’t do it. It really shouldn’t be controversial. Just try it out and you’ll see. You can play the game for hours and never die. I think a lot of ppl just think this is a game where you’re supposed to die a lot.
dude polarize your hookshot skill or sub attack thing, it legit adds 5 energy to your max... if you ever played warframe its like the aura, you match it which all are m and you get 1.5 of the mod
I'm fairly new to the game and trying to find better builds because all of it is confusing and I am going with high defense now and still dying so I will be changing my mods to this and guve it a shot
I’m sorry but I tried this I swapped for more shield and one two hits it’s gone regardless of how much I have, I do about 35k def and as much health as I can and I’m golden; bunny main. I’m out here rezzing Ajax and everyone. The only reason I do public is to complete the rez challenge. I’ll say it loud and proud “shield is trash” but get a little it’s a good buffer you know the one or two hits it stops
This is a great video!!! Ive been meaning to go back to DEF because although what i said wasnt wrong. and you do get diminishing returns after 40K doesnt mean every character should run 40K.I apprecieate how long this video took. Ive been meaning on reattacking DEF, can i use part of your video?
@@SpooN04 shields are better than most people think but it’s build depending. It’s all about optimizing your character with the defense that works best for them
Statistics exist for a reason. Math exist for a reason. Then we got zooko, who literally been teaching us how to exist in the game. You can't argue with Statistics and this man has been doing so since day 1. Legend
I'm not far enough where it really matters. I did however get my Def and hp modules to 7, then I run agony(maxed) and another hp mod. I'm playing viessa so I don't invest too much into shield because she can regen her shield kind of on command. The rest of my modules are offensive. I'm sure there's optimal numbers to chase. Have you tested damage reduction modules for defensive purposes? They seem strong I just haven't heard anyone talk about them yet though.
I thought Ryechew said that every time you doubled your defense, you took 10% less damage than the previous tier, not a flat 10% Big difference, and more in favour of HP It starts from 2k and gives you a 10% damage reduction *from the previous tier* every time you double your defence, though on a sliding scale with no hard thresholds. - 2k DEF = 10% damage reduction, or 11.11% eHP increase - 4k DEF = 19% damage reduction, or 23.46% eHP increase - 8k DEF = 27.1% damage reduction, or 37.17% eHP increase - 16k DEF = 34.39% damage reduction, or 52.41% eHP increase - 32k DEF = 40.96% damage reduction, or 69.38% eHP increase - 64k DEF = 46.86% damage reduction, or 87.88% eHP increase You can figure out eHP pretty easily from there. 10,000 * 1.8788 = 18,788 eHP His recommendation was to do like 15k-20K def and the rest HP
If you've played The Division 2, you understand that shields are everything. For the most part, they work almost the same way in TFD. Since I changed to HP and Shield, I'm tanking multiple slams from the Executor as Bunny and he isn't even chunking into my health with the attack.
My question is the gold element resist % mods, how do they factor in? Bc no 1 seems to use them. Season 1 will be a dungeon then season 2 will be an elilte dungeon. We are still in the base game.
@z00ko too many kids to try to explain this for them..... @DumbsAndDumbers just pick one between hp and shield and build that one, it doesnt matter if shield is better on Enzo or not, build hp if u want, just PICK one for any character u play....
Do us a favor go test this with hard mode swamp walker and take direct hits from its poison pools cause all these vids on CZcams are people testing against the weakest colossi (devourer) and it’s misleading as hell because it hits like marshmallows compared to other colossi. The other part people need to understand is those values change between doing things in group vs solo because of the scaling of the enemies. Not saying your wrong I just hate seeing devourer being used as the “base” of these theories where the damage is low compared to endgame colossi that have wipe mechanics. Side note I also think the gen pop playing this are dense not wanting to learn mechanics and are standing in damage zones (AOE pools)
I did testing on every endgame boss and my defense values one against all of the other ones. In short total life is the most important stat # you need to go for. Having shields allow us to skill gap a boss. Having just max hp allows us to tank a boss. In short, you can’t die against any of these bosses. Anytime you are running 15k max hp. You’re going to survive all content in the game no matter what your defense or shields are. HP alone at 15k is a meta in its own. I’m saying instead of adding more defense. Add more hp, or add shields to allow the skill perks to do their natural job.
@@z00ko that’s good to know but even a clip of some of the heavy hitting bosses would give more faith in the statistics simply because of how diluted other creators have made things with click bait titles and misinformation or they make builds with ultimate versions while saying it’s an op normal version not mentioning it’s for an ultimate version. Nothing on you just the community has kinda gotten muddy watered.
i think the biggest problem is you thinking x is % reduction its not. if you go back to level 11 mob .. or try farming thunder cage parts . those mobs and elites are low level but the way dmg to you works is if you have 30k def > than the damage of those mobs so the game automatically gives you the 80% reduction from damage they dealt. which is 11-15 range and deal that damage to your shield.. when shield depletes it deals damage to your health which is still 11-15 range . that damage reduction exist on both hp and shield. if you have high shield high hp then the time to kill you will be alot longer than someone like gley who only has 1 defense mechanic which is hp.
lets say I have it all wrong how come in every video with a visual test, defe always looses even when I tested 30k 40k and 60k defense with over 11k health, it always lost to me just straight up having 18k health and shields ALWAYS. So the math is right, and the visual representation is right. There's nothing left to say, just run a less optimal build if you want.
100% His logic and testing is VERY flawd. To test solo against Devourer is just a joke. He doesn't hit you hard at all, so testing against him and thinking it will mitigate the damage against the hardest hitting bosses with his no defense build is pure comedy.
Great videos but question i have is how would you build out if box with no extra sockets set up ? What order would you prioritize putting on and building up the mods
Just some advice, don't run with someone else's math or guestimate variables. You also round values and not others, this drastically changes outcomes. Also 'how many times x goes into x' is just 'x divided by x' and then rounded down. So yeah idk why you're using that website, if you want to be more credible you should probably learn how to do math on a calculator and not google.
Wierd that shield regen in combat is actually 3 sec after not taking damage and out of combat is 5 sec after damage, I thought the in combat was active all the time...
@@vampirenessis8378 I can’t. I stand on business. Just bc I’m on the screen putting my findings out there doesn’t mean I have to be larger than anyone else. I’m just a human. And a real one who don’t take ish from anyone. Because I know what I know and am always willing to learn & grow. And I know the average person doesn’t apply themselves to things in life like I do. So I always stand on business because I put effort into everything.
@@vampirenessis8378 thanks man. Appreciate it. It’s definitely something I’m working on, letting my work do the talking and just rising above it, but that’s been a process. Preciate the comment. Have a good day brother
It was fairly obvious to me that shields weren’t useless early on. Really you need a good balance between the three and get the most out of each. Def benefits both shield and HP by decreasing all incoming damage. So really in my opinion you want shield, Hp and Regen in combat on said shield /mp. Should be thinking of Def Last as a means to drop damage on your total health pool overall.
How does shield conversion work? I thought it gives you defenses depending on the amount of shield you have, so with gley who has 0 shield you shouldn't get anything out of this mod, or what i am wronge about here? Can donebidy pls explain?
All I know is my 75k def 22k hp 0 shields bunny with my 600k dps thundercage kills everything solo 1 try and I can carry up to 2 people on all the hard bosses if not three. Shields dont drop off trash mobs, only hp and bullets. I see what this man is saying but it def doesnt work out the way he is saying it, especially if you help randoms. But I see what he is saying. If shields dropped off trash mobs, his builds would be undeniably the best in all situations.
Problem is Shields are too low at base and the scaling mods don't give a large enough value to make them useful. Most frames are good with 20-25k def and at least 10k+ health. Prioritize health once you hit 20-25k def. I can face tank Hard mode bosses.
I think for people who disagree with you, are those who didn't experiment with it yet. Once I have tried the hp build on every characters, it's a life changer sir. Ty !!
EXACTLY! Lets say I have everything wrong, I cannot change that it's actually extremely noticeable how much tankier I was when I did the visual time test. They just don't want to believe, and that's fine, they can just die and I'll live in the next intercept dungeon being released, I hope he hits hard as a truck so I can watch em struggle as my enzo casually strolls past them and then emote with the finger photo on their DBNO animation
@@krayzie8169 totally understand. It’s been a 4 day war in the community. But since now the community knows the truth. We all set. I made a simpler video with less talking and more of an example side by side for a conclusion of the 4 day war
Just health and the spear and shield mod should be fine, I main her as well and the spear and shield is nice for her dmg as well as some survivability.
To make it short is he talking nonsense. The best is to balance health, defense and shield. That is the cheapest way to make you survive the best. The different descendant have different multipliers. He talks total nonsense when he claims that defense is trash. He is not the only one testing in this game. I have tested with having defense and health only om multiple descendants as well and survived as well as I did by having only shield and health. The best is to have a good balance with all 3 to make your descendant survive the best the cheapest way possible. But if you are a whale like this guy, spending tons of real money in this game, it does not matter and you can stack everything very high. When you do that, it doesn't matter much as you can survive the toughest bosses without much problems.
Shields/Def, HP/Def, or HP/Shields are all viable combinations for survivability and is Descendant dependent. This video is a lot of verbal diarrhea and not very good.
Learn how to talk in your videos. I couldn't get through the first minute without you saying over and over for the ppl who can't comprehend. Or can't figure it out. I can hear your judgment. 1st video I've seen of someone actually talking shot to the ppl watching their content. Wild 😂😂😂
@@vincegaughenbaugh813 I’ve been in a war with some trolls who can’t seem to take logic. If it’s not directed at you then just keep moving along in the video. I’m addressing comments because I stand on business. I’m not a YTber im a human, and one who takes pride in everything I do. And lives life with a chip on my shoulder. It’s what makes me great and makes great people respect me. I’ll never change that. I refuse to be disrespected or played with, I’m a chill guy until you mess with me. The only people who don’t like me are those who have done me wrong in ways I could never do to them. Them doing that allows me the ability to do it back to them. And then we have the judgers for how I treat ignorance or trolls. I tried taking the high road in life before, it isn’t as satisfying. So imma meet them where they at, prove the level, then easily get back where I am. Just for the sake of showing how wrong everyone can be in life. To teach em the humility of being a human, and the bias we have for ourselves and to teach consequences for actions, even on the internet. It’s what will make me a great father. I teach real life consequences. Peep the bio. Knowledge is power, experience is wisdom. This is one of those things I have to grow in, unfortunately I did before and retracted the growth because it ended up with me feeling worse and them getting Scott free away with dirt. That doesn’t sit right with me, when I’m wrong, I take my lick, I’ll do the same. When I’m right, I stand on business. When it’s time to be corrected, or defeated, in humble and listen and adapt and evolve. So I make sure everyone else living in judgment mode or observer mode or comfort mode exactly what it looks like when you began to engage in human behavior. In short, we all human. Imma show how human someone else is by trying to attack my humanity. I wish I was perfect but I’m not, I don’t judge, but I can very much so easily be an executioner. We all have work to do, luckily I love personal growth. We’ll see where this particular part in how I deal with humans work in a few years. I may find a better what to handle them while also feeling good about how I handled it.
Please write a script and get your numbers right. “It’s 5%, uhm well no it’s actually 10%. Uh no it’s really like uh, um, well….7%.”. Bruh, figure all this shit out, before you hit record. Write. It. Down. Then read from what you wrote down. It’s not like you show your face. Please! It makes it sound like you dont know what you’re talking about, whether you really know or not.
it's the logic that hes trying to prove and i think z00ko has already done a good job on it. The minor inaccuracies in this case do not change the direction of this logic
I do agree that a video like this should already have the math done ahead of time with the numbers already checked and written out. The video didn't need to go this long to cover his point and can cause one to lose confidence that he knows what he's talking about when there is too much "humming and hawing" while figuring out the numbers in an unedited, for lack of better word, rant. Make it neat and professional looking and don't put in a thumbnail that points at mods with the word "TRASH" while starting out the video saying, "I"m not saying defense is trash, just that you're all wrong and this is better" doesn't get one off to a good start of getting people to want to listen to them.....
@@davieyip For sure. I’m just tryna help the kid out. This game is popular enough that most people who play want the facts. Not rambling. He’ll get more repeat views and subs by preparing before recording.
@@blackkat101 I cannot change how my brain works, I move fast, I had all of this information before I recorded the video, I just can't remember it all, and that's how my channel will always be. I genuinely don't care if someone likes or doesn't like my content, I only want people who can read between the lines, I'm a highly intelligent human and get those words spoken to me by people I admire and look up to in life so I don't really worry about how something comes off. At the end of the day it's a game, and it's content, and I love my haters because they give me the most views, so I don't mind going to war with them, because any press is good press. And the reason why I switch the %'s around is because no one knows excactly what it's doing outside of ryechew and we have to go off of his video, and if someone knew exactly how defense was affective dmg he's the closest info pool we have. All I know is visually in the game and time test, my build has always outlasted any build I ran with def, therefore visually, and on the math side of my calculations, DEF IS TRASH. Idc if others agree or not, at the end of the day I don't die, I carry everyone with my enzo, I'm living my best life in the game, while other struggle. If they wanna keep struggling, sure, the problem is people think that things can't be improved, and it was very evident that my defense was simply more optimal, i could immediately feel the difference in survivability. Anything outside of that how my content is perceived, i don't care. Because the internet is a matrix and a fantasy, none of these people know me irl nor my accolades and position in life. I simple upload for the information I find and if I think it good or important I upload, I don't care about views or any of that, I'm just a gamer who labs, I'm not a ytber, i'm not always right, I'm a human who games who happens to be really good at it. that's it. So i don't expect to grow, I don't expect many people to watch, and I don't care. But if it does, then cool
@@z00koI don't think you were asked to change how your brain works. It was suggested that you go through the process you recorded offline and recap what you found in the video to reduce its length. Comment also didn't question your intelligence so I have no idea why you felt the need to respond as if it did. There are metrics available for "best length" videos, and as far as I know the number is nowhere near 48 minutes. Generally short form content is more easily digested and more frequently watched by people so his criticism can be taken on as a positive thing. At the end of the day you decide what kind of content you want to create but please lets not pretend that you posted this on an online content sharing platform because you don't care if people watch it or not. If your goal is to disseminate accurate information to players, that's great, but there are some ways of doing that which are more efficient than others. All I took from the comment was that the OP thought you could have delivered the info more efficiently and effectively than you did. Hardly an insult, yet your response made it seem like you felt insulted.
Now after watching this go back and watch the last 3 defense videos I made and see where I was wrong. Look no one is infalliable, so I don't expect yall to be right, so yall can't expect me to be right, however in this, I AM DEFINITELY 100% Sure with a 3 module investment this is the strongest survivability in the game, you can't get any better than this. I challenge you to prove me wrong, I'd be happy to be tankier than I already am for the upcoming dungeons. Even if all this math was wrong (probably not) in game it's been shown and many can acct to running hp and shields being better and it's not even close. And if you guys say content creators don't know what they're talking about then please tell me who does? The people who lab right? Well I lab, ryechew labs, and moxsy has a whole squad of people who lab and feed them the info to bring it to the public, so if all content creators are now agreeing on the same thing, how come the community isn't? Well I'm sorry but you're just not labbing, anyone willing to do the test of neutering def to increase your hp as high as you can and invest a little into shields, go online and watch the difference, run no def except the legendary perk for the component and watch the 3 module shine. The least investment with the most return, it's optimal, yall can say what you want about def, but the only way I'm running def is if it's coming with some damage I need to min max dps on a build, and even still I'd just try to increase my dps with a straight up value or a larger quality of life value, not the added on def modules with qol buffs. So there's no room for def without it being a 4 module investment unless you're gley. At the end of the day you not running shields or high hp means you miss out on 2 regen abilities, idc how you look at it or if you like it or not, I don't care if you dislike out of rage from here on out. I'm right, and it's not only mathematically sound with the general consensus of those who actually labbed all of the damage numbers defensively and offensively, but it also has passed the visual test every single time, it's passed the time test every single time compared to 34k-111k def... because again the stat can be lowered by enemy attacks. In short a conclusion everyone can have is you need MAX HP. So there's nothing wrong about what I'm saying, and it would never be worse than def, and it will always yield the biggest return with a 3 module investment, which most builds it's all you can afford, running anything more is more investment, less dps, worse builds, etcc. I'm done making videos on this topic, you either adapt and grow (as I had to) or you stay stuck ang get left behind. Onto the next. I don't want anymore comments on what's better for you or what you think, show me a side by side comparison and lets see... I tested my defense against every hard level boss in the game and my optimizations won EVERY SINGLE TIME.
ill give you the correct responce
"JUST DO MORE DAMAGE!!" ✔
Autoimmunity gives straight 10% Dmg Reduction so it becomes cheaper to get to the next 10% level than doubling def from 16k to 32k
You full of shi
6k def for base enzo 1600 def... SHOULD be about 20% dr... so for EHP x1.25
(yea i believe def damage reduction applies to shields too, it looks like the red number you see when taking damage is the same whether it's hitting your shields or health)
48k def SHOULD be about 40% dr... so for EHP that's x1.67
idk what 40k or 60k def is, but it's close because at 96k def it's 47% dr or x1.89....
so 40k and 60k are both less than 47% dr or x1.89
With your "life" numbers
so 6k, 22k "life", that's really like 27500 EHP
48k, 9500 to 11500 "life" that's really like 15800 to 19200 EHP
so yes, you have more EHP with the low defense setup!
HOWEVER healing and shield regeneration is ALSO affected by the EHP calculation
so if you go into def and have closer to 20k EHP rather than 30k, but you'll be gaining health and shield 34% faster per second
so in terms of health-gating or shield-gating i think you do want some defense
because when gating it's the rates that matter more, not the totals
but idk... who lives longer while getting smashed by colossus... because end of the day that's what matters, not the math
You don't know anyone who's able to get such big returns from those mods because hardly anyone has gotten that good rolls on their external components. Simple as that.
My Ajax with 1 shield, 50k hp and 35k def watching this vid: 🗿
good thing he scales well with both hp & def ;)
What is your setup to get 50k hp?
@@cerrocerro1713 Build into max hp in your mods/components then run body enhancement and overwhelming hp ez
@@cerrocerro1713 Schonfeld build
Mine has 108k defence, 3.6k sheild and almost 22k health
Only character(s) that greatly benefits on Def increase is Ajax ( & Gley since she doesn't have shields ). I can't speak on Kyle since i don't have him. Otherwise, ball out on everyone else.
Especially if you run Void Charge on Ajax.
lol. Def isn’t trash. Each is needed and useful.
100%
He talks pure nonsense.
Your health pool, defense and shield are all helping you mitigating damage so you don't die and all of them have good value.
It is all about creating a balance of all 3 as that is the cheapest way to mitigate damage and survive.
He clearly does not understand that you reach a point of all 3 stats where you get very little back from increasing it with a very high cost.
When he reaches that value with his shield, he will be MUCH better of by increasing his defense instead of increasing his shield more.
He seems to mainly play Enzo and Gley and think it is the same for the rest of the descendants as well.
He clearly thinks he is smarter than he really is...
Indeed. My Ajax has 15K HP, 25K DEF 900 shield and I’m not threatened by bosses AT ALL. I am trying to retool my mods for for a little less DEF and more HP since the barriers key of HP and DEF so I forsake Shield.
@@The_Judge300 didnt you listen? or do you just dont understand? z00ko ist totally right about the math. u dont need def at all. my bunny is running 2k shield, 15k life and 4,5k def.. i am totally fine at all bosses solo or in group as other bunnies die frequently
@@Dark_Tesla u can tank the hits just because of ur hp pool. run that 25k defense with 2k life and u die instantly. thats what he is saying
@@The_Judge300 you dont know how to math bro. defense starts hitting massive diminishing returns around 20/25k, and so does resist around 7k. HP is king. This guy is right. Theres plenty of theorycraft/testing dedicated youtube channels that have all come to this conclusion as well.
Great vid . Hp is king my bunny can survive a lot more than implementing def at 75% & 25% invested into health.. now I’m strictly 100% hp moving forward. Characters have built in defense
I will add that Spear and Shield, along with things like Agony, which have a mix of DEF and another stat (from skill power to more MP) are often mainly taken not because of the DEF. The DEF is a nice bonus.
No, those are often taken (at least by the builds I prefer) because they are the only other thing one can do to boost one's DPS. Those builds tends to get 4 max HP's for main stats when not using a specific set and have generally 1-2 HP mods on them and even that is a stretch. As the point of the builds is to get DPS.
The only shield increasing mods that help boost power (as to oppose Spear and Shield and Agony like mods) is Weighing the Scales that reduces skill cost by a small bit, which can be used by most descendants. And Amplification control, that offers a good amount of extra skill range with shields, but that is more situational on descendants that can take advantage of that and doesn't directly increase DPS unless you are struggling to keep a boss in range or are using it for mobbing if it is AoE.
Spear and Shield however offers Skill Power (not Skill Power Modifier) which is more often useful of the two skill power buffs, while Agony helps any descendant that has an MP bar, which is almost all of them. Both help in directly allowing for more DPS in any situation.
Just pointing out that a reason to take those any of these four, be it the shield or the def ones, is not because they offer shields or def stats, but because you are aiming for more DPS and you're getting these as a nice bonus on the side.
Unless you're trying to mix-max for damage against Colossus, taking Spear and Shield for the skill power is even sillier than taking it for the DEF. Enemies health values are stratified in a way that a 8.1% damage increase (at best) will almost never make a difference. All you're doing is taking a worse survivability mod. Agony and Weighing the Scales are straight garbage. Every mod slot is precious.
Great video. Way too many people in the comments who dont know how to math and have never heard of diminishing returns. I completely avoid defense and resist wherever I can get HP or damage, and im flying through hardmode content, have only been playing a week. Glad I did not get baited into defense and resists like all the day 1 players LOL, unlucky!
On my Bunny my Def was 39k with 4k hp. Went to 7.5k hp and 29k Def still do the same damage but am rarely downed.
You're mostly right but you are getting caught up on the same thing I mentioned in your other videos.
For clarity high hp and/or shields is the best way to go depending on descendent as you and I agree on.
I think you're underestimating defence using small numbers as examples for the sake of simplicity. Defense becomes valuable if the damage received is high.
Let's use money for fun would you prefer 50% of 100 dollars or 50% of 5000? 5000 is the obvious answer in terms of damage if you have 5k hp 0 defense ( keeping it simple) 5k damage you are dead but 50% reduction you'll have 2500 hp.
Now In your other video I mentioned again you are mostly right but testing on devour is not a good test devour doesn't hit that hard he hits small numbers as ticks so defence won't really shine here vs the loss of life hp/shield. Now pyro on the other hand hits very hard and having 30% reduction can save you from getting cheesed. The devs know what they are doing there's a reason they give recommended stats before facing a boss but knowing the sweet spots in stats you can ignore all that jazz.
I'm saying all this because I see so many players running around thinking they are tanky until they get hit with a high damage number and die randomly. Another test you can do is fight those bosses in missions on hard mode that have the shotty take a point blank shot of that is enough to humble even me lol
In summary small DMG numbers makes defense appear bad, big damage numbers that should one shot defense will shine here.....
Another point this affects DPS you get more damage in tanking hits instead of running from the high damage attacks of bosses. Key is balance be tough enough to deal real damage and don't die.
Truth is most of these youtubers don't understand how hp and Def work together I roll 20k hp with 30k Def with almost negative shield and I tank fine but if I had only 20k hp I'd get one shotted against hard bosses
@@RIPPERwBFGYou wouldn't, I run 0 defense mods on my lepic in case I don't one shot the boss and it gets enraged, so I can die fast and reset my Z cooldown, since slayer set gives HP and Shield, even using 0 defensive modules, I'm not getting one shot.
@@pedrothinYeah but aren’t you talking about solo bossing? If you were to go against frost walker, obstructor or molten fortress you are technically fighting a stronger boss that you can’t one shot with your lepic build. If u had no defense with pure HP i guarantee u will die in 1 hit.
@@wen8592I'm farming frost walker as Lepic and I'm NOT getting one shot, In fact the only time I die is when I kill myself after flames phase to reset my Z cooldown, and that's all because I use freeze immunity mod that share same slot with other debuff immunity mods and DMG mods, I have no idea why people keep stuffing their char with HP and stuff and don't use debuff immunity mods (that also raise elemental resistance).
Battle of stamina is more than enough since it also give skill duration (and is already part of the damage build anyway).
Only people that die at frost walker are Bunnies and not because the character is bad, it's because they are kinda forced to get too close for their high voltage thing. Lepic I'm just at range shooting stuff (and that's why you should take these "defense is bad" videos with a grain of salt, gameplay of descendants is not the same for all of them, so what applies to Bunny maybe doesn't apply to Lepic, to Gley or whatever)
Obstructor dies fast enough to be a threat and molten fortress shouldnt even hit you.
Give it a try, most of the time people die to frost walker due to those homing missiles that freeze, I assure it will be easy for you if you are immune to that.
I 100% agree with you.
His logic is clearly flawed and he clearly doesn't understand the mechanics in the game.
When I saw he did his "testing" solo against Devourer, I had a good laugh and shook my head.
That is like testing a "bulletproof" vest with a 22lr and think you are safe against 9mm bullets.
He is a typical example of someone that thinks he is smarter than he really is.
The devs do not put defense in the game just for the fun of it and not letting it have any value.
The key is balance.
You survive the best by having a good pool of all three of shield, defense and health and not skipping any of them unless it is Gley.
The balancing depends on what descendant it is.
If you mainly or only encounter low to medium damage and only high damage now and then, then focusing mainly or even only on health and shield can be VERY good, but if you encounter much high and very high damage, then defense is VERY good to invest in as well.
Your health and shield can very well mitigate the lower damage without and defense present, but a hard hitting boss easily one-shots you if you don't add a good number of defense.
I find it hilarious with all these guys that make these videos and want to "teach" everyone the "right" way as they think they have the answer and are so much smarter than everybody else.
99% of the time their logic and/or testing is flawed to very flawed.
After watching this video I decided to try an approach following your advice on most of my Descendants using two HP modules; Increased HP and Stim Accelerant with with the Slayer External Component set which has Defense as the Auxiliary Power's main stat and I have bonus DEF on the Memory granting me a bonus of 6,000+ DEF; the bonus on the memory is only 2,400 so it could be better. The other pieces main stat is Shields, Shields and HP. So far I have noticed a major increase in survivability on my characters as opposed to stacking two main stat DEF components with DEF modules. The results speak for themselves and earned a well deserved Like and Subscribe, thank you!
Congratz, you rediscovered the concept of EHP (effective health)
Wow, great video. Thank you for explaining it simple and helping us to apply it. You are great content creator, and teacher. TY sir!
Hr really is good .
I got Python now I'm farming for Afterglow for my Gley.
also tldr for people, max hp>element defense>defense, element defence, helps towards the element attacks all enemys do, defense is only calculating gun shot damage, hp is the base all damage goes through, depending on bosses use elements, or zones with specific elements, but otherwise defence over 32k is pointless unless ajax, 32k is 50% gun damage reduction, match elements with bosses but otherwise stack health because having room is better then nothing
It's a descendant by descendant basis. Enzo, Ajax benefit from shield for example. 25-35k def and the rest in health. I've been running 3 to 1 ratio def/hp for most descendants and seem to be fine
Ajax has been my main since day one. Ive got a little over 30k defense and a little over 14k hp and that seems to work good against everything but hanged man, and I'm only stuck on him because I have to random match.
I am reading the comments, and STILL people are using the two terms defense and shields interchangeably. They are not the same thing. And Gley cannot use MP or Shields, she has to dump into health and some defense.
After watching & listening to this vid it helps me understand more of how things work. I must admit I spoke prematurely n your resent video & yes I was wrong. Thanks to u I now have a more clear & better understanding on how values work. I’ve changed my setup & I have better & longer survivability. Hats off to u my brutha & continue keepin people like myself informed. GG’s 🫡
Just for those watching, they should check out Ryechews Games video on Defence. He does explain the 10% damage mitigations are compound into an exponential decay and shouldn't just be added together in case you were curious.
Yo, you deserve all the thumbs ups, thanks for going in and doing the dirty work to literally show the facts.
Also, not talking bad about Ryechew (and neither did you, you gave him props and so do I) but I think you just showed the difference between theoretical math and applied math. You’re still using math and hard numbers but putting them in real world context with the game.
Best mods for defense IMO are the ones that make you immune to debuffs, they share the same slot, so max them all and use to counter the boss you are facing.
They also share slots with all skill crit related mods and other offensive mod, so you dont waste a slot for defensive only (which is bad for farming).
I use 1 HP mod and 1 immunity mod for group play and thats it.
For solo play whatever, I go full damage because a dead boss wont hurt me and I want to die fast because If I need to die is to refresh my cooldowns, solo bosses are easy.
Its weird watching this video and reading these comments because I am all about dps, I don't care about being tanky. My Lepic build has zero survivability modules, max mp and mp recovery external parts. I have to use cover to survive so I treat it like im in a pvp game. In a public match against any hard boss, I usually do around 2/3 of the overall damage and the boss never really gets below 5 mins. All I usually need is 2-3 ults and the boss is done. My teammates just need to survive and aggro the boss a little to help take the heat off me. I can solo bosses as well with this build bit its not as much fun and feels cheesy.
24:24 is fantastic, this is what you were saying in your previous videos and people still did not comphrend the whole thing. they just think defense good. Damage reduction good. yes but they failed to realize it takes from another pool. your hp. its just plain logic. got to break it down barney style to some people i swear. if you have 10 apples and you give everyone half an apple,(50% dr) you gave away 5 whole apples .but if you have 10 apples and give everyone a whole apple(no dr), you gave away 10 apples. if you have 50 apples and gave away 2 apples (max hp negative defense) you still gave away apples to 25 people.
Only people that have no clue what to do in the game or able to think for themself can follow this, this is not NEW meta, it is YOUR meta, there's a difference.
Slapping random stuff together just to make HP, Shield or DEF number go up is not efficient and that is what the 'E' in META stands for.
There is no free substats, you are always sacrificing something, with any character that uses mp skills, you need max mp, mp recovery in combat and mp recovery modifier.
😂 I figured this one out on my own and was mentioning it to my friend. Thanks for posting this cause he called me stupid.
If your defense is lowered then having more defense is better because the diminishing return is lower. So defense shine best when your defense is lowered by boss if your defense is high
I'm not saying that you're wrong, but everyone says that shields is a trash stat. You're literally the first person that said shields are good, and I've looked into this shit a lot.
Nice vid, i got a god roll on my mini-fridge component giving me double defense to 7.4k and gold mutliplier. This will free up the defense mod 🤟, and yes i agree more max hp gives you more health when picking up orbs.
Ultimate Ajax with 120k def and 30k HP. Now now kids. Just take off all your mods and stand behind this shield.. matter of fact have a bigass bubble 😂
This is definitely the tankiest module combination no doubt (just main gley for about 50 hours and you'll see HP is all you need), but you have to consider, you're locking in 3 cerulean slots which don't give any notable bonuses to anything other than HP alone.
Also, there's only a few mods that give hp that aren't cerulean, such as time distribution but only at ~50%.
So you'd be sacrificing your DPS no doubt. And yes, dead players can't do DPS.
Depending on your playstyle you can work without such a slot commitment. Just what you prefer.
Why 3 cerulean slots? Isn't there 1 blue and 1 purple HP mod at most?
You're the one who opened my eyes to the fact that defense is WORTHLESS and I am so happy that I saw your video! I threw all defense out the window and focused on hp and/or shields and i can't remember the last time I died lol (u got a new sub)
He is capping or totally clueless and making you as clueless as well.
Defense is NOT worthless.
Far from it.
He clearly understand way less than he thinks he does.
For most descendants you are best off by balancing health, shield and defense to give you an optimum chance to not die.
Defense has diminishing returns the point is don’t over do it
@@The_Judge300 No he's right it's only good on ajax
@@tylercarter6207 You dont even have to not "over do it" you can avtively avoid it and replace it with HP wherever you can. It's a garbage stat, same with resist. Unless you have a line where you cant get hp or defense and cant put damage, like on external components, free damage reduction is free afterall.
@@yangpaan453 respectfully I disagree with any of these being trash because 20k def 20k hp gley im running for my life 15-20k hp 30k def good but not great to me 40k 20k + what ever resistant it just always feels perfect I don’t use mod spots for def at all component only , and I can face tank for about 25 secs without moving if I got agro ( except that dead bride dog in heat )but guys we don’t need to argue we need to just keep theory crafting for the community and find the best way to build.
Ajax has skills that scale with def. With him you want a high def. I highly recommend watching Moxsy video Nuke Ajax Build
I'll be that guy because i want too. You're a melanated king. Of course folks gonna do everything they can to discredit you after someone less melanated drew up some numbers.
THIS LOGIC DOES NOT APPLY TO AJAX MAINS BRO HAHAH BUT GOODSHIT ANYWAYS. I HAVE ENZO AS MY 2ND MAIN TOO.
can you explain why it doesnt apply to AJAX?
@@marceljoshuadelfierro9575 because ajax needs hp and def nothing else. with enchanced body you gain extra shields and hp based on your def. with overwhelming HP you convert all shield to HP. basically around 80k def with 40k hp.
@@pwehDuraSaFacealso with Void Charge.
So basically I been over doing it ok 20 hp 40k def imma switch it up and come back
Maybe shield in combat is ok but theres no reason to take out of combat shield over max mp and mp recovery in combat, running away and not shooting cripples your damage by comparison.
I expected you to mention that elemental damage ignores defence, its only reduced by elemental resist. Elemental resist and a large health pool is better than stacking shield. A lot of 'pros' only use 1 defensive module, and not even a pure one; one that gives under 100% bonus and cooldown or skill power.
Not to mention stacking hp bonuses also have diminishing returns. Going from 318% health to 552% health is only a 73.5% bonus. Your running shield as main stats and using a module for it to equal a little over 10% total health. 16k def vs 6k def would be like 60% damage taken instead of 75% taken, which is a 25% difference. Using increased defence instead of increased shields is better even when you stack 3 +shield stats. If you got max hp instead of max shields on those the difference becomes even larger
We thought DEF was better because of the level caps in the betas. It was better in the earlier game.
Been saying double HP mods is the way to go since week 1. But I prefer time distribution over increased shields.
Great breakdown. It makes sense to invest in all 3 survivability metrics rather than overinvest in just 1 metric
Investing in all three is a waste..pick two
@@kazumablackwing4270 HP being 1 of them.
imo, pick two based on the character's scaling. Ajax and Ultimate Gley for example scale well with hp & def investment.
I love how you have a search tab with 50 percent of 200, and 200-113 tab haha
@@jessyiscute7860 😂😂😂💁🏽♂️ it’s for people to be able to map out the things as well to recreate the process. And for the sake of keeping things consistent for the viewer. I was a 3.8 GPA who didn’t take school seriously with a 31 on the act test. I have a 141 iq. I’m smart, and have been told exactly that since I was 2 years old
gods work
I won’t let any character I play have less than 10k HP. Even Bunny. I just can’t do it. It really shouldn’t be controversial. Just try it out and you’ll see. You can play the game for hours and never die. I think a lot of ppl just think this is a game where you’re supposed to die a lot.
Same got about 17k hp on gley and won’t go back💀
@@codywood173You more also need that because you have no shields and most Gley builds play at below half HP.
This that 17k HP is really only 7-8k.
def are useless in this game just build for HP i build mine to almost 25k hp gley dont have any problem for dying even in void boss
I got 180k defense, and I ain't gonna stop!
dude polarize your hookshot skill or sub attack thing, it legit adds 5 energy to your max... if you ever played warframe its like the aura, you match it which all are m and you get 1.5 of the mod
serious protip, its manditory for extra slots
I'm fairly new to the game and trying to find better builds because all of it is confusing and I am going with high defense now and still dying so I will be changing my mods to this and guve it a shot
Have a nice balance with all 3.
That will help you the most with most of the descendants.
I’m sorry but I tried this I swapped for more shield and one two hits it’s gone regardless of how much I have, I do about 35k def and as much health as I can and I’m golden; bunny main. I’m out here rezzing Ajax and everyone. The only reason I do public is to complete the rez challenge. I’ll say it loud and proud “shield is trash” but get a little it’s a good buffer you know the one or two hits it stops
This is a great video!!! Ive been meaning to go back to DEF because although what i said wasnt wrong. and you do get diminishing returns after 40K doesnt mean every character should run 40K.I apprecieate how long this video took. Ive been meaning on reattacking DEF, can i use part of your video?
I agree on health. But shields arent great to put much investment in
You have changed the game for me bro. I appreciate the work and insight. Would love to link up on the game if you need more gamers to run with.
what's the IGN? make sure you @ me or I might not get a notification
@@z00ko IGo By CaLi#7649
are you focusing on shields because you're enzo or because shields are better than most people think?
@@SpooN04 shields are better than most people think but it’s build depending. It’s all about optimizing your character with the defense that works best for them
Statistics exist for a reason. Math exist for a reason. Then we got zooko, who literally been teaching us how to exist in the game. You can't argue with Statistics and this man has been doing so since day 1. Legend
I'm not far enough where it really matters. I did however get my Def and hp modules to 7, then I run agony(maxed) and another hp mod. I'm playing viessa so I don't invest too much into shield because she can regen her shield kind of on command. The rest of my modules are offensive. I'm sure there's optimal numbers to chase. Have you tested damage reduction modules for defensive purposes? They seem strong I just haven't heard anyone talk about them yet though.
i alredi stopped putting resistance and def modules, just more shield and hp
I thought Ryechew said that every time you doubled your defense, you took 10% less damage than the previous tier, not a flat 10%
Big difference, and more in favour of HP
It starts from 2k and gives you a 10% damage reduction *from the previous tier* every time you double your defence, though on a sliding scale with no hard thresholds.
- 2k DEF = 10% damage reduction, or 11.11% eHP increase
- 4k DEF = 19% damage reduction, or 23.46% eHP increase
- 8k DEF = 27.1% damage reduction, or 37.17% eHP increase
- 16k DEF = 34.39% damage reduction, or 52.41% eHP increase
- 32k DEF = 40.96% damage reduction, or 69.38% eHP increase
- 64k DEF = 46.86% damage reduction, or 87.88% eHP increase
You can figure out eHP pretty easily from there. 10,000 * 1.8788 = 18,788 eHP
His recommendation was to do like 15k-20K def and the rest HP
Bro miswatched the video he referenced lol
No it starts diminishing as you get higher you get less back the more you invest into it
So you’re saying I made defense look stronger than it even is💀💀💀😂 works in my favor even more if this is what he meant.
If you've played The Division 2, you understand that shields are everything. For the most part, they work almost the same way in TFD.
Since I changed to HP and Shield, I'm tanking multiple slams from the Executor as Bunny and he isn't even chunking into my health with the attack.
My question is the gold element resist % mods, how do they factor in? Bc no 1 seems to use them. Season 1 will be a dungeon then season 2 will be an elilte dungeon. We are still in the base game.
I get what you are saying and agree. But your statements are full of inaccuracies and non sectors sorry.
Proof?
@z00ko too many kids to try to explain this for them.....
@DumbsAndDumbers just pick one between hp and shield and build that one, it doesnt matter if shield is better on Enzo or not, build hp if u want, just PICK one for any character u play....
Mean while I run ajax with 90k shield with 4.5k shield reg per sec
Do us a favor go test this with hard mode swamp walker and take direct hits from its poison pools cause all these vids on CZcams are people testing against the weakest colossi (devourer) and it’s misleading as hell because it hits like marshmallows compared to other colossi. The other part people need to understand is those values change between doing things in group vs solo because of the scaling of the enemies. Not saying your wrong I just hate seeing devourer being used as the “base” of these theories where the damage is low compared to endgame colossi that have wipe mechanics. Side note I also think the gen pop playing this are dense not wanting to learn mechanics and are standing in damage zones (AOE pools)
I did testing on every endgame boss and my defense values one against all of the other ones. In short total life is the most important stat # you need to go for. Having shields allow us to skill gap a boss. Having just max hp allows us to tank a boss. In short, you can’t die against any of these bosses. Anytime you are running 15k max hp. You’re going to survive all content in the game no matter what your defense or shields are. HP alone at 15k is a meta in its own. I’m saying instead of adding more defense. Add more hp, or add shields to allow the skill perks to do their natural job.
@@z00koYeah yeah yeah, can you plz test that on harder bosses and post a video? Thanks
@@z00ko that’s good to know but even a clip of some of the heavy hitting bosses would give more faith in the statistics simply because of how diluted other creators have made things with click bait titles and misinformation or they make builds with ultimate versions while saying it’s an op normal version not mentioning it’s for an ultimate version. Nothing on you just the community has kinda gotten muddy watered.
I have a ultra high def ajax because his skills use 100% of defense and 50-80% hp
I thought defens was capped at 20% reduction. Mouseover the defense it is written (or maybe again a translation mistakes)
I say let them build the Def, let them get angry that they can't survive late game and quit.. get em outa here
i think the biggest problem is you thinking x is % reduction its not.
if you go back to level 11 mob .. or try farming thunder cage parts . those mobs and elites are low level but the way dmg to you works is
if you have 30k def > than the damage of those mobs so the game automatically gives you the 80% reduction from damage they dealt. which is 11-15 range and deal that damage to your shield.. when shield depletes it deals damage to your health which is still 11-15 range . that damage reduction exist on both hp and shield. if you have high shield high hp then the time to kill you will be alot longer than someone like gley who only has 1 defense mechanic which is hp.
lets say I have it all wrong how come in every video with a visual test, defe always looses even when I tested 30k 40k and 60k defense with over 11k health, it always lost to me just straight up having 18k health and shields ALWAYS. So the math is right, and the visual representation is right. There's nothing left to say, just run a less optimal build if you want.
100%
His logic and testing is VERY flawd.
To test solo against Devourer is just a joke.
He doesn't hit you hard at all, so testing against him and thinking it will mitigate the damage against the hardest hitting bosses with his no defense build is pure comedy.
Great videos but question i have is how would you build out if box with no extra sockets set up ? What order would you prioritize putting on and building up the mods
Wow this has changed my character ten fold, would conditional recharge be a good option to add to this?? Thank you very much sir 🫡
Nice job zooko
Just some advice, don't run with someone else's math or guestimate variables. You also round values and not others, this drastically changes outcomes.
Also 'how many times x goes into x' is just 'x divided by x' and then rounded down. So yeah idk why you're using that website, if you want to be more credible you should probably learn how to do math on a calculator and not google.
Sir, just to ask, is element defense any use at all?
we're did you get that annihilation storage ?
Wierd that shield regen in combat is actually 3 sec after not taking damage and out of combat is 5 sec after damage, I thought the in combat was active all the time...
Good info. Ease up on the defensiveness though makes you look bitter
@@vampirenessis8378 I can’t. I stand on business. Just bc I’m on the screen putting my findings out there doesn’t mean I have to be larger than anyone else. I’m just a human. And a real one who don’t take ish from anyone. Because I know what I know and am always willing to learn & grow. And I know the average person doesn’t apply themselves to things in life like I do. So I always stand on business because I put effort into everything.
Your info speaks for its self. Your testing backs the numbers. Don't let others bring you down. Keep up the good work.
@@vampirenessis8378 thanks man. Appreciate it. It’s definitely something I’m working on, letting my work do the talking and just rising above it, but that’s been a process. Preciate the comment. Have a good day brother
Did some people really think going all-in on ONE defensive stat (defense) was a good idea? I'd like to think TFD gamers are smarter than that.
It was fairly obvious to me that shields weren’t useless early on. Really you need a good balance between the three and get the most out of each. Def benefits both shield and HP by decreasing all incoming damage. So really in my opinion you want shield, Hp and Regen in combat on said shield /mp. Should be thinking of Def Last as a means to drop damage on your total health pool overall.
nah
helpfull effort, thx
HP>Def>shields basically
What the heck are MOUDLES?
How does shield conversion work? I thought it gives you defenses depending on the amount of shield you have, so with gley who has 0 shield you shouldn't get anything out of this mod, or what i am wronge about here? Can donebidy pls explain?
You gain more defense, but you lose shields, but Gley has no shields. You just gain defense, but don't lose anything.
Why did this take an hour to do?😢
How does this impact Kyle, could you under stack defence
What are your thoughts on kyle since he scales with shield?
All I know is my 75k def 22k hp 0 shields bunny with my 600k dps thundercage kills everything solo 1 try and I can carry up to 2 people on all the hard bosses if not three. Shields dont drop off trash mobs, only hp and bullets. I see what this man is saying but it def doesnt work out the way he is saying it, especially if you help randoms. But I see what he is saying. If shields dropped off trash mobs, his builds would be undeniably the best in all situations.
Problem is Shields are too low at base and the scaling mods don't give a large enough value to make them useful. Most frames are good with 20-25k def and at least 10k+ health. Prioritize health once you hit 20-25k def. I can face tank Hard mode bosses.
@@mirasolovklose3888 agreed !
I think for people who disagree with you, are those who didn't experiment with it yet. Once I have tried the hp build on every characters, it's a life changer sir. Ty !!
EXACTLY! Lets say I have everything wrong, I cannot change that it's actually extremely noticeable how much tankier I was when I did the visual time test. They just don't want to believe, and that's fine, they can just die and I'll live in the next intercept dungeon being released, I hope he hits hard as a truck so I can watch em struggle as my enzo casually strolls past them and then emote with the finger photo on their DBNO animation
I honestly tried watching this, I really did. But you sound upset and don't want to hear the crying.
@@krayzie8169 totally understand. It’s been a 4 day war in the community. But since now the community knows the truth. We all set. I made a simpler video with less talking and more of an example side by side for a conclusion of the 4 day war
@@z00ko I can respect that
All hes doing is explaining diminished returns. This cant be that hard for people.
So what should invest in Vinessa Health and Shields or Just Health? idk just asking
Just health and the spear and shield mod should be fine, I main her as well and the spear and shield is nice for her dmg as well as some survivability.
Thanks for the response @@superazula3722
Long video, long comment LOL
So in short what's the best to use? And what about gley?
DEF and HP for gley
To make it short is he talking nonsense.
The best is to balance health, defense and shield.
That is the cheapest way to make you survive the best.
The different descendant have different multipliers.
He talks total nonsense when he claims that defense is trash.
He is not the only one testing in this game.
I have tested with having defense and health only om multiple descendants as well and survived as well as I did by having only shield and health.
The best is to have a good balance with all 3 to make your descendant survive the best the cheapest way possible.
But if you are a whale like this guy, spending tons of real money in this game, it does not matter and you can stack everything very high.
When you do that, it doesn't matter much as you can survive the toughest bosses without much problems.
@@The_Judge300 he's not talking nonsense but ok
This sounds like click bait shield sucks
WTF 45 min , This is a university lesson, calm down, it's a game 😅
Shields/Def, HP/Def, or HP/Shields are all viable combinations for survivability and is Descendant dependent. This video is a lot of verbal diarrhea and not very good.
Learn how to talk in your videos. I couldn't get through the first minute without you saying over and over for the ppl who can't comprehend. Or can't figure it out. I can hear your judgment. 1st video I've seen of someone actually talking shot to the ppl watching their content. Wild 😂😂😂
@@vincegaughenbaugh813 I’ve been in a war with some trolls who can’t seem to take logic. If it’s not directed at you then just keep moving along in the video. I’m addressing comments because I stand on business. I’m not a YTber im a human, and one who takes pride in everything I do. And lives life with a chip on my shoulder. It’s what makes me great and makes great people respect me. I’ll never change that. I refuse to be disrespected or played with, I’m a chill guy until you mess with me. The only people who don’t like me are those who have done me wrong in ways I could never do to them. Them doing that allows me the ability to do it back to them. And then we have the judgers for how I treat ignorance or trolls. I tried taking the high road in life before, it isn’t as satisfying. So imma meet them where they at, prove the level, then easily get back where I am. Just for the sake of showing how wrong everyone can be in life. To teach em the humility of being a human, and the bias we have for ourselves and to teach consequences for actions, even on the internet. It’s what will make me a great father. I teach real life consequences. Peep the bio. Knowledge is power, experience is wisdom. This is one of those things I have to grow in, unfortunately I did before and retracted the growth because it ended up with me feeling worse and them getting Scott free away with dirt. That doesn’t sit right with me, when I’m wrong, I take my lick, I’ll do the same. When I’m right, I stand on business. When it’s time to be corrected, or defeated, in humble and listen and adapt and evolve. So I make sure everyone else living in judgment mode or observer mode or comfort mode exactly what it looks like when you began to engage in human behavior. In short, we all human. Imma show how human someone else is by trying to attack my humanity. I wish I was perfect but I’m not, I don’t judge, but I can very much so easily be an executioner. We all have work to do, luckily I love personal growth. We’ll see where this particular part in how I deal with humans work in a few years. I may find a better what to handle them while also feeling good about how I handled it.
It's a game let people play it how they want to play it stack what you want
Don't see him forcing anyone to play the way he says, do you understand how free will works?
Bro dropped a 40 min video and 3 others to prove haters they wrong 💀 you gotta be patient with them af
Not a single actual proof ... just blah , blah , blah ....
He showed you a video to go look out by a very smart guy who breaks it all down. What aren’t you watching ?
Please write a script and get your numbers right. “It’s 5%, uhm well no it’s actually 10%. Uh no it’s really like uh, um, well….7%.”. Bruh, figure all this shit out, before you hit record. Write. It. Down. Then read from what you wrote down. It’s not like you show your face. Please! It makes it sound like you dont know what you’re talking about, whether you really know or not.
it's the logic that hes trying to prove and i think z00ko has already done a good job on it. The minor inaccuracies in this case do not change the direction of this logic
I do agree that a video like this should already have the math done ahead of time with the numbers already checked and written out.
The video didn't need to go this long to cover his point and can cause one to lose confidence that he knows what he's talking about when there is too much "humming and hawing" while figuring out the numbers in an unedited, for lack of better word, rant.
Make it neat and professional looking and don't put in a thumbnail that points at mods with the word "TRASH" while starting out the video saying, "I"m not saying defense is trash, just that you're all wrong and this is better" doesn't get one off to a good start of getting people to want to listen to them.....
@@davieyip For sure. I’m just tryna help the kid out. This game is popular enough that most people who play want the facts. Not rambling. He’ll get more repeat views and subs by preparing before recording.
@@blackkat101 I cannot change how my brain works, I move fast, I had all of this information before I recorded the video, I just can't remember it all, and that's how my channel will always be. I genuinely don't care if someone likes or doesn't like my content, I only want people who can read between the lines, I'm a highly intelligent human and get those words spoken to me by people I admire and look up to in life so I don't really worry about how something comes off. At the end of the day it's a game, and it's content, and I love my haters because they give me the most views, so I don't mind going to war with them, because any press is good press. And the reason why I switch the %'s around is because no one knows excactly what it's doing outside of ryechew and we have to go off of his video, and if someone knew exactly how defense was affective dmg he's the closest info pool we have. All I know is visually in the game and time test, my build has always outlasted any build I ran with def, therefore visually, and on the math side of my calculations, DEF IS TRASH. Idc if others agree or not, at the end of the day I don't die, I carry everyone with my enzo, I'm living my best life in the game, while other struggle. If they wanna keep struggling, sure, the problem is people think that things can't be improved, and it was very evident that my defense was simply more optimal, i could immediately feel the difference in survivability. Anything outside of that how my content is perceived, i don't care. Because the internet is a matrix and a fantasy, none of these people know me irl nor my accolades and position in life. I simple upload for the information I find and if I think it good or important I upload, I don't care about views or any of that, I'm just a gamer who labs, I'm not a ytber, i'm not always right, I'm a human who games who happens to be really good at it. that's it. So i don't expect to grow, I don't expect many people to watch, and I don't care. But if it does, then cool
@@z00koI don't think you were asked to change how your brain works. It was suggested that you go through the process you recorded offline and recap what you found in the video to reduce its length. Comment also didn't question your intelligence so I have no idea why you felt the need to respond as if it did.
There are metrics available for "best length" videos, and as far as I know the number is nowhere near 48 minutes.
Generally short form content is more easily digested and more frequently watched by people so his criticism can be taken on as a positive thing.
At the end of the day you decide what kind of content you want to create but please lets not pretend that you posted this on an online content sharing platform because you don't care if people watch it or not.
If your goal is to disseminate accurate information to players, that's great, but there are some ways of doing that which are more efficient than others. All I took from the comment was that the OP thought you could have delivered the info more efficiently and effectively than you did. Hardly an insult, yet your response made it seem like you felt insulted.
I tested your idea and it’s 1000% right … I took 120k def off my ult ajax invested in shield and hp and haven’t went down yet 😂😂