Best dang description EVER. You made it simple son. Thank you. So many people complicate the hell out of this. You made it easy to cipher. Not surprised with Tundra numbers. I see guys all the time hauling big trailers with Tundras with the “mystique” of Tundra towing capability in their heads. But they didn’t do your math. And they are overweight. Can it be done? Yes. Safely? Probably. Depends on how you get into the accelerator. Is it something you want to do daily? Nope. It will beat you up trying to do it. PS - I had a ‘99 Tacoma extra cab 6cyl 4x4 manual and I once had my Harley (600#?) in the back plus I was pulling a 16’ sailboat with it on aluminum trailer (I’ll guess 250# tongue weight). I had overload springs and excellent BFG AT’s. I drove from Maine to Charleston, WV. My oldest son and I combined weighed 350 probably. Plus we packed the cab with a bunch of stuff plus we had a stainless ladder rack plus we had home made wooden (heavy) bike loading ramp in bed with bike. We probably had payload over 1600#. We were clearly way way overloaded. Did truck haul good? Like a champ! I needed third gear a lot on hills but she pulled strong. Did it complain? Nope. Great truck. But I would never do that trip often. That was one of those “I gotta do this” scenarios you go into with eyes wide open and you take great care with your driving. So bottom line - Toyota’s can haul. Is it proper? You judge it. I won’t judge you. Just be safe please.
Thank You, great job of letting people know of what's legal and what huge legal problems you can get into if you are in a accident. Or as they say "SAFETY IS NO ACCIDENT"
Great video. Practical explanation of the various weight constraints. These factors are playing an increasingly important role in accident investigations and lawsuits.
Told a work buddy to look for a trailer in the 3,500 lb area like a GeoPro. He told me that’s dumb, that’s why he upgraded from a Tacoma to a Tundra. I said I personally wouldn’t go over 5,500 sustained in my Tundra. Have hauled 7,500 a few hundred miles before, but if I was going to tow full time, 3,500-5,500 ish range. He simply said, Google says it can pull 10,200 lbs, you don’t know what you’re talking about :) fun fun :)
Don’t forget to mention that with a weight distribution hitch on the trailer, which removes a lot of the tongue weight off of the truck and back onto the trailer, which will then allow you to get up toward that max towing weight it says in the manual. Great job on all the calculations, btw.
Actually the weight distribution hitch keeps all of the weight on the truck but shifts some of the weight to the front axle to help balance the weight on both axles. It also helps keep the trailer level so it's weight is balanced on its set of axles as well. It is stated that a weight distribution hitch does not change the tongue weight of the trailer. Would be cool if it did though.. lol
@@dostyh Yes, that’s true. It does transfer some weight back to the front of the truck. but transfers weight back onto the trailer itself also. Before I commented I did a thorough search of this info, many videos, and other online searches so i could make sure what I thought, was actually the case. And it is. One video actually has weight scales under the vehicle’s wheels and the tongue to check the different weights of each, before and after the distribution hitch. And in their case, it took a few hundred pounds off the truck itself and put that weight back to the trailer. Looked pretty legit to me. It’s the first time I’ve ever seen something so comprehensive about that subject. Very Interesting.
Just got my first travel trailer to go with my first gen Tundra. While the weight is well under the obvious number in the GCWR, I will now run these calculations to see the reality.
Can you really count unsprung weight though towards payload? Unsprung weight: The weight of the tires, wheels, axle, and suspension components not supported by the suspension.
Unfortunately yes because the only way you can be weighed is on a scale that you drive onto. In the manual it calls out the total weight your truck puts on the ground.
Half ton can pull legally 9,500 lb because you use your weight distribution hits to distribute the weight evenly across and that's the way you do it driver
Why would wheels and tires take a way from you payload numbers when they are what’s supporting all the weight in the first place?🤔 They aren’t in the bed of your truck or in the back seat, they are between your shocks and the pavement.
It's still a heavier tire and wheel than stock, it matters because your truck has to propel them forward and "break" traction to get rolling as well. It was designed for typically a lower weight than aftermarket.
It was a 30ft toy hauler. 7500 lbs empty with a 11,400lb GVRW. Unsure of the brand of the toy hauler as it belonged to a friend. It felt heavy and I was not comfortable with towing over 65mph on flat highways even with a weight distribution hitch and the anti sway bar. Just a little too much weight to be comfortable for me for personal use several times a year. It gave me a good idea of what I'll be looking for in the future (probably a Super Duty lol) or a smaller camper.
Best dang description EVER. You made it simple son. Thank you. So many people complicate the hell out of this. You made it easy to cipher. Not surprised with Tundra numbers. I see guys all the time hauling big trailers with Tundras with the “mystique” of Tundra towing capability in their heads. But they didn’t do your math. And they are overweight. Can it be done? Yes. Safely? Probably. Depends on how you get into the accelerator. Is it something you want to do daily? Nope. It will beat you up trying to do it. PS - I had a ‘99 Tacoma extra cab 6cyl 4x4 manual and I once had my Harley (600#?) in the back plus I was pulling a 16’ sailboat with it on aluminum trailer (I’ll guess 250# tongue weight). I had overload springs and excellent BFG AT’s. I drove from Maine to Charleston, WV. My oldest son and I combined weighed 350 probably. Plus we packed the cab with a bunch of stuff plus we had a stainless ladder rack plus we had home made wooden (heavy) bike loading ramp in bed with bike. We probably had payload over 1600#. We were clearly way way overloaded. Did truck haul good? Like a champ! I needed third gear a lot on hills but she pulled strong. Did it complain? Nope. Great truck. But I would never do that trip often. That was one of those “I gotta do this” scenarios you go into with eyes wide open and you take great care with your driving. So bottom line - Toyota’s can haul. Is it proper? You judge it. I won’t judge you. Just be safe please.
Haha great story. Sometimes we just have to get stuff from point A to point B!
Thank You, great job of letting people know of what's legal and what huge legal problems you can get into if you are in a accident. Or as they say "SAFETY IS NO ACCIDENT"
Great video. Practical explanation of the various weight constraints. These factors are playing an increasingly important role in accident investigations and lawsuits.
Thank you! You've validated what I should not tow.
Told a work buddy to look for a trailer in the 3,500 lb area like a GeoPro. He told me that’s dumb, that’s why he upgraded from a Tacoma to a Tundra. I said I personally wouldn’t go over 5,500 sustained in my Tundra. Have hauled 7,500 a few hundred miles before, but if I was going to tow full time, 3,500-5,500 ish range. He simply said, Google says it can pull 10,200 lbs, you don’t know what you’re talking about :) fun fun :)
Don’t forget to mention that with a weight distribution hitch on the trailer, which removes a lot of the tongue weight off of the truck and back onto the trailer, which will then allow you to get up toward that max towing weight it says in the manual. Great job on all the calculations, btw.
Actually the weight distribution hitch keeps all of the weight on the truck but shifts some of the weight to the front axle to help balance the weight on both axles. It also helps keep the trailer level so it's weight is balanced on its set of axles as well. It is stated that a weight distribution hitch does not change the tongue weight of the trailer.
Would be cool if it did though.. lol
@@dostyh Yes, that’s true. It does transfer some weight back to the front of the truck. but transfers weight back onto the trailer itself also. Before I commented I did a thorough search of this info, many videos, and other online searches so i could make sure what I thought, was actually the case. And it is. One video actually has weight scales under the vehicle’s wheels and the tongue to check the different weights of each, before and after the distribution hitch. And in their case, it took a few hundred pounds off the truck itself and put that weight back to the trailer. Looked pretty legit to me. It’s the first time I’ve ever seen something so comprehensive about that subject. Very Interesting.
@@visionvids8512 so far everything I've read and watched said not to count it. Maybe just a good rule of thumb.
Thanks for your time this is very interesting and its all good until something goes wrong and if you're over look out.
I hope you still have the same
Tundra
Just got my first travel trailer to go with my first gen Tundra. While the weight is well under the obvious number in the GCWR, I will now run these calculations to see the reality.
Yeah, I've got a really heavy wallet weight which has proven to be very detrimental to the payload.
Hahaha
6:16 I wonder where you’ve been sticking that finger..the fly liked it..hehe
Can you really count unsprung weight though towards payload? Unsprung weight: The weight of the tires, wheels, axle, and suspension components not supported by the suspension.
Unfortunately yes because the only way you can be weighed is on a scale that you drive onto. In the manual it calls out the total weight your truck puts on the ground.
Thank you this was great!!
Got a play the numbers game.
I tow more than the spects say
500 pounds of pluming
5000 lbs of trailer and excavator.
No problems what so ever had to for reliability!
Yeah these trucks handle it great. One spot you could run into trouble is maybe an insurance company investigating you after an accident while towing.
You can do 10% tow hitch weight and you'll get better towing capacity since it uses less of your payload.
Wouldn’t the (GCWR) be 16,900 not 15,900? Or am I missing something?
Half ton can pull legally 9,500 lb because you use your weight distribution hits to distribute the weight evenly across and that's the way you do it driver
Yeah trying to tow 8000+ lbs without one is sketchy as hell! Lol
Is the weight of the vehicle before payload including a full tank of gas?
I believe that is considering all fluids are full including gas.
Why would wheels and tires take a way from you payload numbers when they are what’s supporting all the weight in the first place?🤔
They aren’t in the bed of your truck or in the back seat, they are between your shocks and the pavement.
It's still a heavier tire and wheel than stock, it matters because your truck has to propel them forward and "break" traction to get rolling as well. It was designed for typically a lower weight than aftermarket.
What Toy Hauler is that in the background? How much does it weigh and how does your Tundra do pulling it?
It was a 30ft toy hauler. 7500 lbs empty with a 11,400lb GVRW. Unsure of the brand of the toy hauler as it belonged to a friend.
It felt heavy and I was not comfortable with towing over 65mph on flat highways even with a weight distribution hitch and the anti sway bar. Just a little too much weight to be comfortable for me for personal use several times a year. It gave me a good idea of what I'll be looking for in the future (probably a Super Duty lol) or a smaller camper.
Are you running wheel spacers?
No, my Maxtrac spindle lift pushes my front wheels out an inch on either side.
How do you figure tongue weight?
It is 10-15٪ of the total loaded trailer weight.
@@dostyh according to my 2018 Tundra owners manual, it' should be between 9-11% of the gross trailer weight
Close enough lol
Well.. I’m trading in my tundra...I’m going to go cry now.
Haha time for a diesel!
😂😂😂😂 and I bet you never exceed the speed limit either🤦🏻♂️
Every time I climb in a vehicle. But I can still inform you that it is dangerous and that speed limits exist lol.