My daughter is a special education student in 2nd grade. A KINDERGARTNER asked her if she believed in god. She said no. I haven’t exposed her to religion other than answering simple questions. That afternoon three different teachers were at my car, she was in tears and confused, and they were politely but aggressively inviting us to church. I was asked where we went. I politely declined their invitations. After I calmed my little one, she explained that after she said no, the other children laughed at her and the teachers didn’t say anything. The bullying continued until dismissal with several other children forcing her to listen to how they loved Jesus and that she would go to hell unless she did too. Every day for the next two weeks I got printed invitations for “the good news club” in her backpack. After I had words with the principal it’s better now, but she is still being bullied by the other children. That special brand of Christian love is something, especially when it’s encouraged in children.
Sounds like your daughter should start asking “some questions”. You know to help them really think about their god. Ask if their god lives bullies, and mean people. Really help those kids to see the light-
A similar thing happened to me (also around 11) after our teacher asked us all what religion we were. I said Buddhist because I was. White girl, hippy parents, but I still am a secular Buddhist today. Everyone laughed, except the teacher, who called me a liar and gave me detention. When I went home and told my parents what had happened, they contacted the school. My reward for that was the teacher gave me detention again, then spent the entire detention lecturing me about how Buddhists are satan worshippers and how I would go to hell. I never told my parents about that, but I should have. But I was 11.
Me too. They are diabolical in the lengths they'll go to to exert control over society and the individual freedoms others. They exist in such a state of privilege it's down right disgusting and scary.
And it has nothing to do with Jesus' commandments to love each other and ourselves. Its more about co dependency and rewarding narcissism. I am not American, but that is how things look from the outside. And the more i learn about your history, the more i see what was given to me in the name of christianity was American culture, not scriptures. But scripture was interpreted according to an American mindset. I hope things ger better for you. (Personally, i blame the pilgrims. Thet were nuts )
@@Plethorality I'd argue even the nicest of Christians have some less than stellar "faith based" ideas about other people. Not just American Christians either. Speaking from a South African perspective, ours are pretty narcissistic too. Not (currently) as bad as the insane cults in the States but I doubt it would take very much to change that for the worse and at least one self proclaimed "prophet" from here moved to the US expressly to fawn over the creepy orange guy. Regarding the pilgrims? They ran away to the US because they were "too extreme" even for the extremists they were fleeing but they weren't really any _different_ in terms of mindset. The Churches in Europe persecuted and killed people who didn't hold exactly the same beliefs as them and in response those members of said groups who were able, sailed across the sea and immediately proceeded to do the exact same thing to the natives and each other. You don't need to be religious to be an arrogant, bigoted schmuck but religious convictions aren't the worst indicator of such a mindset.
Religion ruins everything. This field trip sounds like a wonderful way to TURN OFF kids from religion. Anything to keep kids away from religion and on the right path to critical thinking is okay in my book.
@@awesomesause How does that need explanation? "If something needs hiding, then it shouldn't be happening at all". If you're a teacher and you are desperate to hide what you're doing in the classroom, then, whatever it is, it shouldn't be happening at all?
With that state, they HAVE to have Drag shows and book readings. They should leave the cross on the church too, but put rainbow colored neon lights on it.
I hate dishonest religious ambushes. Went to a dinner once that was supposed to be a school club event about planning for the future. Instead it was just a bunch of local church people trying to get students to give their lives over to Jesus. I walked out.
Yup, I had a "mandatory" staff meeting at a major corporation, and it was the VP who'd returned from Sabbatical telling us all about his missionary work in China and people were forced to watch a Billy Graham video. For 2 hours. Several of us walked out, and not quietly. It didn't happen again. I think they knew if any of us even thought we were gonna lose a job there would be bad PR and lawsuits.
I was befriended by a Christian who then ambushed me at a “dinner party.” When I politely told her that although I wanted to be her friend, I wasn’t interested in her religion, she promptly told me she couldn’t associate with me. Nice people. One of the many’s nails in the coffin of my Christen beliefs.
When I was a grade school kid in the mid-1970s Midwest, some "friends" from the pool club invited me to join them for an "arts and crafts" day. It sounded good, so my mother approved and they picked me up. To give my experience context, I was never put through religious indoctrination and had never been to church, so I wasn't versed in any Christian nonsense. The event was about five miles from home, and I was 11 years old. EDIT: I also had no idea that this was a Christian event. I did have SOME experience in first grade, when I asked what "under god" meant in the pledge of allegiance. I got laughed at and became a social outcast because of it. I remember seeing people wearing crosses, and the adults seemed very stern. There was prayer before the first craft, and there was a prayer break about half-way through the first craft exercise. The first craft thing was where they gave us a 1" thick square of wood, about 4x4 in size. We had a screwdriver and hammer, as well as paints, glitter, and a brush. The craft was to use the screwdriver to make some type of imprint impression, and the project was to "make something that reminds you of Jesus." I made a Fred Flintstone head. The person in charge of this was confused. This was only the first hour. There was prayer again after the first exercise. I did not pray, as I did not know how and the whole thing felt silly. I have no doubt that they recognized that I wasn't participating in this. The second hour of the FULL DAY was a "question and answer" period. Kids were asking questions about death, dying, and heaven. I was asked if I had any questions. I wasn't certain what a good question would be, and I suspect they asked me this to figure out where I was coming from. So I asked them if I had an arm amputed and died later in age, if my arm would be in heaven waiting for me. They did not like this question and accused me of being "rude and inappropriate." My punishment was to be locked in the playroom by myself while the other kids enjoyed snacks. I was in this room, which had a few toy chests and was big enough for about 40-50 kids to play comfortably. Above each toy chest, at child eye level, were signs that clearly said in all-caps "TITHING IS FUN." I had no idea what that was, but later learned. I did not know how long I would be in the room, and wasn't certain what they were doing next. I didn't know if I'd get to eat. It was terrifying. Then I realized that the room was taking up an entire side of the building on the side that was the direction toward home. I opened a window, jumped out [ground level] and ran about 30 yards into a corn field. Once I got deep into the corn field, I felt safe. Once I was far enough away, I crossed the 2-lane rural highway and hitch-hiked back home. I got lucky that someone who wasn't dangerous picked me up and took me home. When my mother heard my story, we quit the pool club and I never saw these lying Christians again. If you have to LIE to get people to attend your church events, then it's a sign of trouble.
If they were running Scientology, they'd have no qualms about locking up tween children in The Hole. That ministry should be investigated further until they can find more such cases, then indict some of those bags of (censored) for kidnapping, false imprisonment, abuse, and starvation threats.
I did a 30-year survey.. where every time i met an atheist, I asked if they were raised that way or if they had been raised with religion. Unsurprising, almost all the atheists i asked, were raised going to church, and most grew up attending religious schools. When churches teach hate instead of love, people will stop believing.
My deism is the result of critical analysis of religious philosophies. Anyone who claims to know _anything_ without offering objective, empirical evidence is not to be trusted. This means no Christian is trustworthy. Not any of them.
Yep. I find it much easier to follow through on the values I was raised on now that I've rejected the religious aspect of it. "Love thy neighbor" is much easier when I don't feel like it's my duty to proselytize for a cruel, angry, and capricious God. Being kind to the widow, orphan, and stranger is much simpler when I no longer base their worth by whether they're Christian, or think myself set apart for being Christian. Knowing there's probably no heaven means I am more focused on making THIS LIFE better for myself, the people around me, and the people that will come after, rather than shrugging my shoulders and waiting for the hereafter.
I interestingly was raised a progressive Christian and actually became an atheist because my progressive Christian dad sat down with me and helped me use critical thinking to decide what I believed. I was one of the lucky ones.
Those who are regularly immersed in evangelical sermonizing really don't understand how ghastly and traumatizing their 'testimony' sounds to normal human beings. They just don't hear the blood, violence, hatred, and horror in their so-called holy word. Just such a message, directed specifically at children, caused me to walk out of the last church service I ever attended. I'd sue their pants off.
It's why I always push back against their BS in terms they can understand. "All christians are terrorists and have no place in society" (I actually use stronger language that CZcams doesn't allow for this) "Faith is the one true sin." "Christians are incapable of love, they fundamentally are not people." Etc.
As someone who grew up in religion, this kind of “purity talk” did a lot of damage to me. I thought sex was my duty and it caused a lot of pain. I get really nervous about any sexual activity because I was told it was bad. I’ve had to do years and years of therapy to try to rewrite my brain into thinking sex is something you do for fun and not a chore 🙁
Having been through a similar upbringing, I can relate. We really need to stop tolerating religious indoctrination of children. It's at least as damaging as any other forms of child abuse and successfully brainwashed kids go on to inflict the same abuse on _their_ children.
As a guy, my religiously inspired internalized sexual repression is compounded by some on the left pushing a narrative of male sexuality being inherently abusive. I hate Christian and misandrist sexual repression equally.
It's not hard to figure out why this suit was filed a year later. By now those 2 students who are plaintiffs are at college, and probably out of the area. As a member of a non-Christian religion, and a mother of a trans kid, I'd have waited too. And expected I'd have to move after this suit gets filed. But at least my kid would be out of harm's way.
It also takes time to realize you need an attorney, meet for a consultation, and then for the attorney to do the work to prepare the filing and get everyone's addresses for service, etc. Justice can be a slow process. I hope these Plaintiffs win.
Dont care the political affiliation or religious affiliation....If my child came home and told me that this had happened, I would be irrate!!! Letters would go out to the school district, the people who organized this crap, mybstate representatives....and I would have called the local news, posted on as many online platforms that I could. Followed by a trip to my attorney!!! Beyond unacceptable. For those who do not care about politics....Be careful! This is what you get if "they" are left unchecked.
And to make matters worse, the ministry took advantage of a surrounding social and theopolitical climate to make the children in question fear that enforcers for that version of Christianity would start opening fire on their younger siblings. The ministry deserves no better reputation than a Taliban, Al-Qaeda, or ISIS splinter cell.
When I was a kid, my (non-religious) parents sent me to summer camp. Little did they know it was a stealth Christian camp. They taught stories from the bible without telling you it was from the bible. They never mentioned religion specifically til the end, when they handed out tracts and bibles. When I got older, I was able to process how deceptive it all was. I've never trusted christians since.
In principle, theres nothing wrong with telling Bible stories like that because a few of them DO have good morals. I doubt you'd have had a problem if they were telling Greek Myths after all. Its the last bit which is the problem.
@@marcusreading3783The problem is teaching morals from a religion without making it clear to parents that it was the plan. It's secretive indoctrination.
This "college fair" was fraudulent. If the world was just, the people that put this on this charade should have been arrested. Absolutely no ethics in this stunt. Tricking kids to come to an activity like this is shameful.
@@nostrum6410Taking somebody by deceiving them into thinking your taking them somewhere you are not is literally within the legal definition for kidnapping.
@@Alexa-Raine - I think they meant "no one SANE". No one SANE wants to go to church, or have anything to do with religion. The rest of the weak minded sheeple that need a parental figure to tell them what to do still go to church....because they have not yet grown up in the head.
This is disgusting. Every school administrator, teacher, ect associated with organizing this need to be fired. This is just awful. Those students and parents were tricked into attending a freakin religious event. I hope these parents get together and file a massive lawsuit for this nonsense.
What they did should be illegal, and probably is. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for any sort of criminal investigation, though. Local LE, prosecutors, and judges in the South tend to be extremist Christians that fully support stuff like this.
I agree. There's nothing wrong with religious groups trying to recruit (respectfully and politely) someone who understands what they're being told, but to trick someone (and most of all minors) is immoral. I'm a political centrist and agnostic. Children/teens in school are minors. They have no true consent to make decisions for themselves in life changing ways. Schools need to stay the heck out of politics- BOTH right and left wing ideologies! This country is going bonkers. Schools are NOT political war zones raising the next-gen Republicans or Democrats. Leave the kids the heck alone!
Let them sign up to vote and have everyone register as Democrat. I would have done it, telling them i was going to vote against their bullshit guilt trip.
This just shows that if you can’t indoctrinate them before they are too old to reason, the next best way is to threaten, scare and prey upon grief, tragedy, fear, hurt, etc.
When I went to US Army Basic Training in 2009 I tried to bring a biochemistry textbook, which was confiscated from me. The only allowed reading material was religious texts. I tried to argue that as an atheist, my belief system is essentially the scientific method... they told me to shut up and sit down. On Sundays we were given the choice between cleaning the barracks, or going to church service... so I went, usually to a different one each week. It wasn't unpleasant, it was sort of relaxing, but it was also deeply disturbing that the only alternative was religion. I ended up leaving with a bible and quran (that I still keep), because what else was I going to read? The military still says a prayer before and after most events. It's just disappointing that the separation of church and state doesn't apply to the military (inb4 doesn't apply anywhere else either).
Dude did your recruiter not tell you that no personal reading material is allowed. 😂😅 FOOLISHNESS! Also when did you have any time to read anything but the manual? 😂😂😅😂
It's a good thing I wasn't a student in that stupid "admissions fair". I would have caused a scene, perhaps by standing up and SHOUTING, "Why are you raping children in this church? Stop molesting children, you disgusting rapist!" Would've been the highlight of the show, I guarantee it.
@@nostrum6410 Tricking minor children into a presentation to tell them how you think they should act and dress to become ideal sexual partners. Sure, that's totally innocent.
@@nostrum6410You're not very bright, are you? I've seen you in multiple threads, and you consistently misinterpret situations (deliberately, in some cases), or simply deny fact. Are you a child? Because I can see that issue from a child, but if you're an adult, I'm genuinely worried for you.
No it doesn’t, but this event WAS extremely manipulative, and.. I can’t remember the word at the moment, but it means “brainwashy” it’s a psychological term.
We were exposed to these shenanigans when we were children, back in the 1960s. State Schools were heavily influenced by the Church of England at this time. An exciting day out was promised. History, Heritage, Art and Architecture was replaced by a dull service in a C12th Church by an old bloke in a dress. No wonder Christianity is dying on its @rse in the UK.
@@maddiepaige715 My heart is broken. Hearing a fellow human-being suffer at the hands of Christians is not new, but it hurts my very being every time. I can only offer you my empathy. South Africa has overcome many things. Religion is just another unpleasant challenge.
@@tomsenior7405 South Africa still has plenty of problems but hopefully they'll resolve with a bit of time. I was raised Christian and one of the biggest motivators for me leaving the "faith" was the behaviour of Christians in general. Not even just towards "non-Christians". I can't count the number of Christians who told me _when I was Christian_ that I was going to burn in Hell because my beliefs weren't an exact copy of _theirs._ It's a toxic belief system for toxic people. It's just a shame we as a society still enable them. Edit: I appreciate your empathy. Thankfully I'm mostly not in the line of fire for these people nowadays and have a substantially less "appeasing" attitude towards them than I used to on the occasions that they do decide to start with me.
In my public high school, in 1971 Houston, we students were called into the auditorium for two "magic shows." The "magic" turned out to be the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Ha! My irreverent Unitarian youth group heard about the earlier show and we made a plan. On a signal, we all stood and walked out of the auditorium. Every morning in home room, we were expected to stand and recite the Lord's Prayer. I always refused and stepped out to the hall. Our resistance was good but a lawsuit would have been better.
Wow and the administration didn't even try to "punish you" for walking out of the auditorium? If not, it truly shows that what they were doing was illegal.
I got my ass chewed out once in 5th grade for sitting during the morning indoctrination ceremony, I mean, pledge of allegiance. I still wouldn’t stand.
@@itsROMPERS... I'm telling you from Texas to north Carolina is all the same. Some are just better at covering their 💩 than others. I'm originally from AL, but I finally escaped 2 years ago. Best thing I ever did!
@@kaybrown7733 don't get me wrong, i wasn't intending to advocate for the other Southern states! I'm starting to think MTG's "national divorce" idea isn't so bad! We could just wait a couple years and then buy it all back for pennies on the dollar! Seriously, imagine all those loser states huddled around the Texas panhandle, panhandling!
@@itsROMPERS... The Deep South would become a combination of Uganda's, Somalia's, Burundi's, Saudi Arabia's, and North Korea's worst elements. I wouldn't trust them not to slice their undesirables to pieces by the thousands per day in public squares.
Everything that Christo-fascists do is self justified because they have "the truth." If you tried to do this to them in reverse to say, a Muslim Mosque or a church that worships Poseidon, king of the sea, they would be furious.
yes, the irony is totally lost on believers. When I was a believer (indoctrinated by parents) this irony was never lost on me, which is why after a lot of questions, I finally realized it's all make believe.
I mean look how angry they all are right now for a girl saying, "Under Allah" in the pledge of allegiance. It is literally in the media they are so outraged. And Allah simply stands for God.
That is why the American founding fathers deemed religions unfit for modern governance. The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_ This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion. *Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office* _"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_* This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required. _“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_ *-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797* ....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything. _“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_ *-Letter From John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817* _"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_ *-Thomas Jefferson* _"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature."_ *-Thomas Jefferson* _"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_ *-Benjamin Franklin* _“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_ *― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)* _"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."_ *-Susan B. Anthony*
@@Imperial-SocialistSame. Eventually they broke me. I finally started deconstructing in my late forties. What a fu cking waste. Hope you did better.
Was tricked into a Christian retreat in jr high (mid-to-late 80s) - told it was a weekend in the woods, doing things together, building confidence, rapport. The thrice daily prayers and the bonfire hymns, testimonies, and “altar calls” (sans altar) were NOT mentioned in the assembly or permission forms. It was awful, and there was nowhere to go.
I'd kinda love pagans to rise up and to start doing the same to christians....but we're all too well mannered to want to do that to anyone. It'd be funny though! :P
This is the beauty of CZcams. Objectively revealing this religion sponsored activity in concert with the school board and teachers is mind boggling. We need law and order and the administration of law and order.
Life sentence plus 90 years at that. Apparently all you need is to find god and the prison system lets you out because they would never punish Christians
The second woman says that if something needs to be kept secret, then it shouldn't be happening at all. Funny the organizers felt that they needed the true nature of the event needed to be kept secret.
When i was a kid there was a "public" skate park they built in a church parking lot. It had a fence around it so it could only be used while supervised by an adult. Right before youth group started, they would shut and lock the gate. If you were inside the fence, you had to enter the church to leave. We jumped the fence and didnt go back.
"somehow he changed his mindset and got out of jail." Tell me you've never been to prison without saying you've never been to prison. On a murder conviction with a 90 year sentence, no less. Sure. That happened.
I remember this too and argued with people who felt that the bait and switch was done for their own good. Because being saved was more important than a job or education.
Anyone who subjects me to an unwanted church sermon is going to hear about it in real time. I enjoy calling Christians out on their hypocrisy and I'm not afraid of Christian threats on my safety.
@@1hanagima It's VERY hard for a student to openly revolt like that, in a group that large. You have to be brought up to be revolting, and have been encouraged by family culture to go against the grain. I walked out of a mandatory school assembly in high school (with a Jewish and a Buddhist classmate) that turned into a "Find Jesus or Fry in Hell" sermon. But I KNEW from earlier experience that my parents would have my back ... we three got suspended immediately and my dad and the other two dads landed on the school like an avalanche within an hour. (an atheist, a rabbi and a Buddhist monk walk into the principal's office ... no joke) My family have been "freethinkers" and non-believers since the 1600s and I knew that I would not be expected to listen to sermons in school that I would never attend outside of it.
@@id01_01 One of my classmates was the daughter of a rabbi - one of several sharing duties for a large local temple. And the other's father was a monk in a Japanese Buddhist sect that allows monks to marry (even encourages it). Much like Greek Orthodox or Anglican, marriage is not a barrier.
The idea that anyone could possibly believe "Donk's" story is beyond comprehension. If they don't win this lawsuit, it will be a miscarriage of justice to the highest degree.
went through the exact same thing in the 80's at a church in ZAR called "The Scripture Union" (or something like that) - had nightmares for ages afterwards after seeing someone being "struck down by the holy spirit" and yelling like a madman in tongues while writhing on the floor. I thought the church was being attacked by terrorists and/or demons and nearly pissed my pants in fear (I was 10 or 11). But, on the positive side, (and apart from actually reading the bible cover-to-cover) this was the spark that started my journey into the light (ie. logical positivism and atheism)....
Are they so bankrupt of self-awareness that they have no idea what the Pentecostal Church of Charismatica's worst habits do to children with principles?!
This case is similar to getting invited to someone’s home for a “social evening” only to discover you have been sucked into a MLM presentation like Amway or some other such sales/marketing scheme. Which, come to think of it, is what many religious bodies are.
I went to high school in Nebraska and we also had a few assemblies that were mandated (no option to opt out, entire class ushered into the autorium by teachers) where they gave talks to girls about not having sex until marriage (with the infamous tape demonstration AND a spaghetti vs. waffles demonstration to show how boys and girls are different???). Definitely religiously charged, AND we ALSO had that lady come and lie about her daughter in Columbine (the "Rachel said Yes" shit) and some other assemblies with graphic stories of drugs, porn addiction, and suicide attempts.
LOL spaghetti and waffles? That's one I've not heard :D This is why we need a standardized secular sex ed curriculum. Our kids deserve better (as did we)!
I’ll admit that I rolled my eyes when I first heard “most were traumatized,” since I don’t generally like others assuming a bunch of other people are or are not traumatized by something but HOLY SHIT I’ll believe it in this case.
From a barely remembered study conducted in Canada in the 1970's... the incidence of child abuse (by parents) was between 1 in 350 to 1 in 450. So, 2,000 students around 5 would have been abused by their parents. Then you have girls who were abused by other adults, then their peers... of the 2,000 or so students, 1,000 of which were born with a vagina... I am pretty sure over a dozen of them had trauma responses triggered by the speakers.
This reminds me of a really traumatic event that happened when I was in high school. My school had a woman come in to tell us her story about how her daughter was murdered by her abusive boyfriend. She went into heavy detail about it, even showing pictures. Several people couldn’t handle it and got up to leave the auditorium. The lady went on to tell us that what happened to her daughter led her to become a Christian and she welcomed people to come on stage and pray with her before she left. Another time they showed us a drunk driving prevention video that was made by some of the high school students, but they didn’t tell us that going in. It was set up like a documentary and had very graphic scenes of one of our fellow students dying complete with having one of the local newscasters share the story on air as if it was a real thing. They also had a full funeral service. Many students thought it was a real event and they started crying and some had to leave the room. It wasn’t until after they had showed us the entire video that they let us know it was all staged and the student who “died” was sitting on the front row. The administrators all thought it was a good lesson and were happy with how it went, but tons of kids complained about how traumatizing it was and they even had to bring in a counselor to help people deal with it. This was in a public school in South Carolina in the early 2010’s. My sister went to the same school and they had 2 prayers led by the principal during the graduation ceremony last year. The district sees nothing wrong with any of it though.
Oh! Some of the schools around here (South Louisiana) were like that in the 2000s, too, with the crash and hiring firefighters and EMTs to come through a staged scene to play it up. Hell, there was even a designated area for the crash at both of the high schools that we went to. They would even scorch the grass and preceding pavement in order make it "more realistic." They usually did it around Prom Time; they are some sadistic motherfuckers, I swear.
We had a play that we watched. It went through a bunch of scenes. Each one was about different students dying. Yes....students dying in various ways. One was a car crash, but they weren't saved so they were dragged to hell. Another killed herself because of bullying, and was dragged to hell as well, because suicide is a sin against God. It's was horrible....all of it. It was quite a long time ago now...but those two scenes I can still see.
@@StudlyFudd13 - That....that is beyond fucked up. I'm sorry that anyone inflicted that on you and your fellow students. That should not have happened. Ever. For any reason. They should have all been fired for that.
Students were taken somewhere under false pretenses and they were not free to leave. Food and water was withheld unless they complied with an agenda, which was further duress. How is that not abduction, kidnapping, human trafficking?
I was at the school this happened to. I'm so glad I decided not to go to that fair, but it happened to all of my classmates. It was a disaster and an enormous outrage. They brought us into a senior-class-wide assembly to advertise the event, and then illegally required that students register to vote in order to be allowed to eat. Multiple violations of various different legal rights. I personally know the kid of the mother mentioned at 14:00.
I would've lost my fucking mind on someone. I hated when they did shit like this when I was in a youth group. It was always some sort of fun trip we had to pay for that ended up being a total downer the whole time.
Another red flag... Selecting a college begins in junior year. So they failed these seniors by doing this in their senior year. If it was a real college fair it would be focused on juniors! 🥴
“If it needs to be kept secret than it shouldn’t be happening at all.” This alone is such an abusive statement. Because the person who might harm you if they find out can’t possibly be the ones in the wrong. It also seems to directly contradict the “I don’t care if they are gay as long as they don’t shove it in my face” claim, as that is literally just saying “being gay is alright if you keep it a secret”
The girl didn’t report the attack to the police or her parents. She just forgave him! I wonder if she felt she deserved it by tempting him or making him angry.
@@janel.8921 That seems to be the gist of their stories. "If it has to be kept a secret, it never should have happened." ie: "It's my fault it happened because I was in a secret relationship."
I'm so grateful I never had to grow up in the South or raise my kid there. To suffer these types of demented, dishonest religious fanatics and deep theocratic machinations is beyond imagining. I'm also grateful to my parents for being cool with me quitting church at 17 in the mid-90s.
That's hilarious! These evangelists have no idea how to appeal to young people, and the fantastical lies they tell only make them look like the hypocrites they are.
A fair for all and no fair for anybody! Teach your kids about the concept of "bait and switch", which means when something is presented as one thing but turns into another, there is often criminal intent. (then run)There isn't any way any God would traumatize young people to gain their trust let alone to get them to believe in him. This is the evil of some really sick people who should be called out for their demented actions.
One of the local food banks in the city where I used to live was administered by the Springs Church (Inner City) where they made people sit through a sermon by some "hip" pastor about how fabulous Christianity is before picking up their bi-weekly assortment of completely random food. This usually resulted in a needless half hour or longer delay before the team of fresh-faced kids and well-meaning seniors started dispensing things down in the church basement. They also had a volunteer of some kind hanging about giving prayers and laying on of hands (creepy) while people waited in line, cornered in a stairwell with no way to avoid this weird person. As an atheist, the whole experience was highly annoying, but that's what you had to endure in order to get what usually amounted to about $25-$30 worth of stuff (mostly donations of expired or surplus items that wouldn't sell otherwise, plus potatoes - always plenty of those).
I was a kid, 11 or 12 and went with a friend to his church, and before I knew what was going on, I was up at the front of the church near the podium, pulpit, whatever and had a whole bunch of adults with their hands on my shoulders and back praying for me. Honestly, it was the most creepy and disturbing thing I’ve ever been a part of.
@@ajclements4627 I actually printed off some articles for the guy that described various studies showing that intercessory prayer doesn't work, but of course, he just ignored/rejected them completely.
They might change their mind if the parents make it public and fling it out to news channels. It's sad that publicity is needed for these abusers to "do the right thing" and pay up....but whatever works. :P Even the church knows how good shame is as a motivator. :P What they don't think about is that it can work both ways. :P
To the parents who get fired up over grooming and indoctrination etc. This is what it actually looks like in the real world. Tragically, those who get the most fired up about it wouldn’t recognize the irony.
Should we also point out how the far right is against colleges in general, so using 'college' prep as bait was meant to be a debasing switch? They should add the Church into the suit for it's complicity, planning, and interference in publicly funded resources (the school) in order to jeopardize its tax shelter. ALso contact the Department of Education.
What's amazing is the sheer level of entitlement from those organising such batshit crazy nonsense. They really do believe that it's ok to treat people like that and fling their metaphorical poop around.
"If something needs to be kept secret, it shouldn't be happening at all." Oh really, madam preacher? Like keeping it a secret that this was actually a field trip to a church? Good to know! *walks out*
Christianity is subjective depends on what somebody believes the Bible says actually what the Bible actually says. The Republican idea of Jesus Christ is a man with an A.R. 15 chilling, all the people who was sent to save.
The only reason why anyone would picture Christ with an AR-15 is because the manufacturer knew it would sell more. Then again, Christ did use firearms, albeit different ones, to fight his way through a den of insurgents in Episode #617, Red Sleigh Down.
Am I the only one who low key feels like some of these "... and I just got up and walked!" stories kind of s*it on people who spent months in rehab learning how to walk again?
"If something needs to be kept secret, than it shouldn't be happening at all." She is right, yet here are all these students kidnapped to a religious event under the guise of some career field trip. If it needed to be a secret, why is it happening than??? And this donk was shot, held his own guts in his own hands, became paralyzed, became unparalyzed, went to prison, on armed robbery, and murder, was sentence to 90+ years, release from prison after 90+ years???? This donk guy is a regular forrest gump, in a bad way.
I'm guessing Donk clearly wasn't 90 years or even close to it. While it's far from the most unbelievable part of the story, I actually find it the most troubling because it's the one part I feel some students might actually be misled by (were they not already ignoring anything Donk said due to the earlier BS). From what I know of the justice system in pretty much all US jurisdictions, the chance someone with such a sentence could get out just by becoming a 'good person' after they committed their crime is close to zero. It just doesn't work like that, the person is almost definitely going to die in prison based on how things are at the moment. The most they can hope for is they might be released very near the end of their life, but even that is very unlikely no matter how much of genuinely good person they have become.
"What book should a person read to become an atheist? The Bible." Nothing could be more true. The wildly implausible nuttiness in that book is off the charts.
Louisiana was officially Roman Catholic under both France and Spain's rule. The boundaries dividing the territories generally coincided with church parishes. In 1807, the territorial legislature officially adopted the ecclesiastical term.
@@stevenpike7857 i know, and it shouldn't have been allowed. After all, when it became a state it was officially liberated from the Pope. Also, okra should be against the law. Have you seen this stuff?
@@vedadalsette1453 All because Joe McCarthy and his legislative sympathizers (while he had any) were so incompetent at political science that they had no other idea how to save the nation from the Soviet Union. Either that, or they were using Shock Doctrine tactics to push the North Carolina Church of Evangelica, as Billy Graham in his younger and more fundamentalist days understood it, on the public.
Hemant is being entirely too charitable. "If you're standing 'Donk' in front of a train, maybe the conductor saw and stopped it." I mean, yeah, IF it happened, then the application of brakes is definitely a plausible explanation, but that said, I believe Donk is... What's the christian term? Oh yeah, bearing false witness.
I am disenfranchised... I was raised Roman Catholic, but find them to be so hypocritical. And I never had this type of experience. I have been helping the local Polish Catholic church, which is more inclusive, but I still refuse to attend the spiritual brow beating sessions.
It is hilarious that religious groups are having to borrow the shady tactics of time-shares in order to "share the good news". I went to a church in the '80s which had an "outreach ministry" to the local homeless shelter. Basically, we tortured the houseless for a couple of hours with bad music and a verbal barrage of shame in exchange for providing a single meal and a place to sleep for a night. I remember the expressions of resentment and despair on the faces of people who despondently watching us. I was an idiotic teen who piously thought I was doing the lord's work, and smugly believing that at 15 years old, I had done everything right, because I had a home provided by my parents and regular meals, also provided by my parents. Those people didn't need Jesus. They needed a permanent place to sleep and regular meals.
Thank you! I very much appreciate you bringing this to our attention. They have absolutely no shame. No one should ever be subjected to this nonsense. I have never been religious, every time I was in church even as a child I always felt I was being lied to. Way to go evangelicals, hate has a home with you.
Fifty years ago, while living temporarily in Phoenix, my husband dropped my two children and me at a park while he continued his job of delivering flowers. Three women started talking to me and were extremely friendly and invited us to a gathering of friends who hung out together and "rapped" (a popular word at that time) about life. Since we were new to the area it sounded nice to meet some friendly people, so we got a baby sitter and went to the address given. Red flags appeared immediately when we kept hearing "Praise the Lord." They herded us inside the building to the buffet dinner and then guided us to the big round table in front of the stage where they were testing the microphone. We ate our dinner, then I turned to the woman next to me who had invited us and said, "You deceived me. If you had told me it was a religious gathering we never would have come." We got up and left and went to see Woody Allen in "Sleeper.'"
"Violent kidnapping". How about you don't exaggerate? I'm not agreeing with what happened but there's a lot of exaggerating also. The kids were put through a church service without consent. I think they'll survive. 🫥
@@tomy8339if you have to lie about an event to get people to attend you probably aren't a good person to begin with and using bait and switch tactics in this case can 100% be considered kidnapping at the very least
@@danesullivan5151 I never agreed it was a good practice. But Google kidnapping. This was not a kidnapping. Stop the nonsense please. This was taking kids to a church service under false pretences. Don't change terminology to suit your narrative. Kidnapping is taking by force. Be sensible.
@@tomy8339 OK your right it's not kidnapping but it is clearly abduction and either way the pure fact they needed to essentially commit fraud to get people there does not make them good people in any form or fashion 😉
Force, coercion, or misdirection. They took them somewhere they and their parents did not consent for them to go and were exposed to terrorist ideologies the parents did not approve of. It's not a violent kidnapping, but it is a kidnapping. The children had no opportunity to leave. They were kept there by force and coercion.@@tomy8339
I'm curious to how "Donk" get out of jail from a Life plus 90 years sentence. I'm sure that's why he gave no real name that could easily be fact checked. I'm gonna add that to my Christians be lying file.
Doesn't the church telling people to vote also mean that said church can be, like. UNchurched? Cause I'm pretty sure religious institutions are NOT ALLOWED to involve themselves politically, or they lose their church status. Like, that's a wholeass LAW. It's literally not legal.
Telling people how to vote, it the sense of specific candidates, can cause them to lose tax status, but issues/values are okay. Telling people to participate in democracy by voting in general or other means is fine, and they are allowed to highlight the importance of issues without naming names. For instance: telling people to support a zoning variance for the local homeless shelter is A-OK, telling people to vote is OK, telling people to vote John Smith onto the school board is not.
My daughter is a special education student in 2nd grade. A KINDERGARTNER asked her if she believed in god. She said no. I haven’t exposed her to religion other than answering simple questions. That afternoon three different teachers were at my car, she was in tears and confused, and they were politely but aggressively inviting us to church. I was asked where we went. I politely declined their invitations. After I calmed my little one, she explained that after she said no, the other children laughed at her and the teachers didn’t say anything. The bullying continued until dismissal with several other children forcing her to listen to how they loved Jesus and that she would go to hell unless she did too. Every day for the next two weeks I got printed invitations for “the good news club” in her backpack.
After I had words with the principal it’s better now, but she is still being bullied by the other children.
That special brand of Christian love is something, especially when it’s encouraged in children.
Yeah. Bullying and indoctrination are allowed in schools when it's for Jesus, apparently.
I am 53 and I still have any idea what a god would be.
You can always count on fundamentalist Christian’s to be hypocrites
Sounds like your daughter should start asking “some questions”. You know to help them really think about their god. Ask if their god lives bullies, and mean people. Really help those kids to see the light-
A similar thing happened to me (also around 11) after our teacher asked us all what religion we were. I said Buddhist because I was. White girl, hippy parents, but I still am a secular Buddhist today.
Everyone laughed, except the teacher, who called me a liar and gave me detention. When I went home and told my parents what had happened, they contacted the school. My reward for that was the teacher gave me detention again, then spent the entire detention lecturing me about how Buddhists are satan worshippers and how I would go to hell. I never told my parents about that, but I should have. But I was 11.
I fucking hate the Christianity bias that exists in this country
Me too. They are diabolical in the lengths they'll go to to exert control over society and the individual freedoms others. They exist in such a state of privilege it's down right disgusting and scary.
It was founded by White Christians so no surprise there.
And it has nothing to do with Jesus' commandments to love each other and ourselves. Its more about co dependency and rewarding narcissism. I am not American, but that is how things look from the outside. And the more i learn about your history, the more i see what was given to me in the name of christianity was American culture, not scriptures. But scripture was interpreted according to an American mindset.
I hope things ger better for you. (Personally, i blame the pilgrims. Thet were nuts )
I'm always surprised to see evidence of it. compared to how it was in the 90s it's practically not there.
@@Plethorality I'd argue even the nicest of Christians have some less than stellar "faith based" ideas about other people. Not just American Christians either. Speaking from a South African perspective, ours are pretty narcissistic too. Not (currently) as bad as the insane cults in the States but I doubt it would take very much to change that for the worse and at least one self proclaimed "prophet" from here moved to the US expressly to fawn over the creepy orange guy.
Regarding the pilgrims? They ran away to the US because they were "too extreme" even for the extremists they were fleeing but they weren't really any _different_ in terms of mindset. The Churches in Europe persecuted and killed people who didn't hold exactly the same beliefs as them and in response those members of said groups who were able, sailed across the sea and immediately proceeded to do the exact same thing to the natives and each other.
You don't need to be religious to be an arrogant, bigoted schmuck but religious convictions aren't the worst indicator of such a mindset.
If you have to use a bait-and-switch tactic to get people to go to your church event then there's something wrong with your church event.
Especially if school funds were used to kidnap people under false pretenses then withhold food to force them to vote a certain way
Religion ruins everything. This field trip sounds like a wonderful way to TURN OFF kids from religion. Anything to keep kids away from religion and on the right path to critical thinking is okay in my book.
Unfortunately, it probably doesn’t work that way for all of the students. I doubt they’d continue to do this if they didn’t get recruits,
The only good thing aboht religion thst is good is the fellowship ....u get the same socializing from a block party
@@Junebugreen They're probably goners anyway from indoctrination by their families.
@@z.s.7992 just with more ped0s.
@@JunebugreenThey probably keep doing this because the program gets money from the school.
"If something has to be kept a secret, it shouldn't be happening at all" says the woman that helped with this secret church service.
Oh good point.
Yep, like all those teachers who had breakdowns because they wanted, quite rightly, cameras to see what they were up to in class.
@@philscott3759 explain how that relates.
@@TiffyVella1 thanks
@@awesomesause How does that need explanation? "If something needs hiding, then it shouldn't be happening at all". If you're a teacher and you are desperate to hide what you're doing in the classroom, then, whatever it is, it shouldn't be happening at all?
I hope they are awarded every dime those programmers ever make and turn that "church" into an LGBTQ disco and community center!
Yes, and add in drag brunches for the entire family. 👠👠🎩👙👗
@@Junebugreenoooh that sounds like fun 💃
With that state, they HAVE to have Drag shows and book readings. They should leave the cross on the church too, but put rainbow colored neon lights on it.
@@littlebitofhope1489and a big gay Jesus twerking on it.
Wait a minute Disco is still a thing didn’t it die off in 1978 - 1979?
I hate dishonest religious ambushes. Went to a dinner once that was supposed to be a school club event about planning for the future. Instead it was just a bunch of local church people trying to get students to give their lives over to Jesus. I walked out.
Yup, I had a "mandatory" staff meeting at a major corporation, and it was the VP who'd returned from Sabbatical telling us all about his missionary work in China and people were forced to watch a Billy Graham video. For 2 hours.
Several of us walked out, and not quietly.
It didn't happen again. I think they knew if any of us even thought we were gonna lose a job there would be bad PR and lawsuits.
I would have made a scene.
Well, it's...planning for the future...but not in the sense any normal person would think of it.
I was befriended by a Christian who then ambushed me at a “dinner party.” When I politely told her that although I wanted to be her friend, I wasn’t interested in her religion, she promptly told me she couldn’t associate with me. Nice people. One of the many’s nails in the coffin of my Christen beliefs.
Ambush is a fitting term.
When I was a grade school kid in the mid-1970s Midwest, some "friends" from the pool club invited me to join them for an "arts and crafts" day. It sounded good, so my mother approved and they picked me up. To give my experience context, I was never put through religious indoctrination and had never been to church, so I wasn't versed in any Christian nonsense. The event was about five miles from home, and I was 11 years old.
EDIT: I also had no idea that this was a Christian event. I did have SOME experience in first grade, when I asked what "under god" meant in the pledge of allegiance. I got laughed at and became a social outcast because of it.
I remember seeing people wearing crosses, and the adults seemed very stern. There was prayer before the first craft, and there was a prayer break about half-way through the first craft exercise.
The first craft thing was where they gave us a 1" thick square of wood, about 4x4 in size. We had a screwdriver and hammer, as well as paints, glitter, and a brush. The craft was to use the screwdriver to make some type of imprint impression, and the project was to "make something that reminds you of Jesus." I made a Fred Flintstone head. The person in charge of this was confused. This was only the first hour. There was prayer again after the first exercise. I did not pray, as I did not know how and the whole thing felt silly. I have no doubt that they recognized that I wasn't participating in this.
The second hour of the FULL DAY was a "question and answer" period. Kids were asking questions about death, dying, and heaven. I was asked if I had any questions. I wasn't certain what a good question would be, and I suspect they asked me this to figure out where I was coming from. So I asked them if I had an arm amputed and died later in age, if my arm would be in heaven waiting for me.
They did not like this question and accused me of being "rude and inappropriate." My punishment was to be locked in the playroom by myself while the other kids enjoyed snacks. I was in this room, which had a few toy chests and was big enough for about 40-50 kids to play comfortably. Above each toy chest, at child eye level, were signs that clearly said in all-caps "TITHING IS FUN." I had no idea what that was, but later learned.
I did not know how long I would be in the room, and wasn't certain what they were doing next. I didn't know if I'd get to eat. It was terrifying. Then I realized that the room was taking up an entire side of the building on the side that was the direction toward home. I opened a window, jumped out [ground level] and ran about 30 yards into a corn field. Once I got deep into the corn field, I felt safe. Once I was far enough away, I crossed the 2-lane rural highway and hitch-hiked back home. I got lucky that someone who wasn't dangerous picked me up and took me home.
When my mother heard my story, we quit the pool club and I never saw these lying Christians again. If you have to LIE to get people to attend your church events, then it's a sign of trouble.
Wow. What atrocious “friends!”
If they were running Scientology, they'd have no qualms about locking up tween children in The Hole. That ministry should be investigated further until they can find more such cases, then indict some of those bags of (censored) for kidnapping, false imprisonment, abuse, and starvation threats.
Not to belittle your traumatic experience but your amputation question was good.
Your intelligence was too much for their culture. I'm glad you are safe
I’m sorry you went through that as a kid and I’m glad you had support at home.
I did a 30-year survey.. where every time i met an atheist, I asked if they were raised that way or if they had been raised with religion. Unsurprising, almost all the atheists i asked, were raised going to church, and most grew up attending religious schools. When churches teach hate instead of love, people will stop believing.
My deism is the result of critical analysis of religious philosophies. Anyone who claims to know _anything_ without offering objective, empirical evidence is not to be trusted. This means no Christian is trustworthy. Not any of them.
Yep. I find it much easier to follow through on the values I was raised on now that I've rejected the religious aspect of it. "Love thy neighbor" is much easier when I don't feel like it's my duty to proselytize for a cruel, angry, and capricious God. Being kind to the widow, orphan, and stranger is much simpler when I no longer base their worth by whether they're Christian, or think myself set apart for being Christian. Knowing there's probably no heaven means I am more focused on making THIS LIFE better for myself, the people around me, and the people that will come after, rather than shrugging my shoulders and waiting for the hereafter.
Grew up in a Pentecostal cult. Athiest now. My son was brought up atheist and still chooses to be as an adult.
I've always been an athiest. My parents aren't religious, but they didn't push either way. I was taught critical thinking, not magical thinking.
I interestingly was raised a progressive Christian and actually became an atheist because my progressive Christian dad sat down with me and helped me use critical thinking to decide what I believed. I was one of the lucky ones.
How do you try to convert people to your beliefs by breaking one of the rules of them by lying? oh the irony! These folks are usualy insane.
Even paul lied so no problem I think
The real question is how much more of this detestable grooming death cult are we going to accept?
It's called "lying for god" . @@radijaye7435
In the Christian mind, lying for Jesus is quite acceptable.
These are the original 'the ends justify the means' bunch.
This whole event was super predatory.
Religious nuts are groomers.
What do you expect from Christian terrorists?
It's religion , it's always predatory and throw in grooming and brainwashing and you've got the definition of all religions
So is christianity, at its core. Take away the fear, the intimidation, the veiled threats and peer pressure and what does christianity have left?
@@mitchhaelann9215 greed , power , child molesters and LEADERS that cover up child molesters, and ultra orthodox than condone war and murder
Those who are regularly immersed in evangelical sermonizing really don't understand how ghastly and traumatizing their 'testimony' sounds to normal human beings. They just don't hear the blood, violence, hatred, and horror in their so-called holy word. Just such a message, directed specifically at children, caused me to walk out of the last church service I ever attended. I'd sue their pants off.
It's why I always push back against their BS in terms they can understand.
"All christians are terrorists and have no place in society" (I actually use stronger language that CZcams doesn't allow for this)
"Faith is the one true sin."
"Christians are incapable of love, they fundamentally are not people."
Etc.
As someone who grew up in religion, this kind of “purity talk” did a lot of damage to me. I thought sex was my duty and it caused a lot of pain. I get really nervous about any sexual activity because I was told it was bad. I’ve had to do years and years of therapy to try to rewrite my brain into thinking sex is something you do for fun and not a chore 🙁
Having been through a similar upbringing, I can relate. We really need to stop tolerating religious indoctrination of children. It's at least as damaging as any other forms of child abuse and successfully brainwashed kids go on to inflict the same abuse on _their_ children.
Jesus!
As a guy, my religiously inspired internalized sexual repression is compounded by some on the left pushing a narrative of male sexuality being inherently abusive. I hate Christian and misandrist sexual repression equally.
These day's, when someone brings up purity, I just feign ignorance and say something like, "That thing Hitler was obsessed with? No thanks."
@@awesomesause That's a brilliant response honestly. Might try that one.
It's not hard to figure out why this suit was filed a year later. By now those 2 students who are plaintiffs are at college, and probably out of the area. As a member of a non-Christian religion, and a mother of a trans kid, I'd have waited too. And expected I'd have to move after this suit gets filed. But at least my kid would be out of harm's way.
It also takes time to realize you need an attorney, meet for a consultation, and then for the attorney to do the work to prepare the filing and get everyone's addresses for service, etc. Justice can be a slow process. I hope these Plaintiffs win.
Dont care the political affiliation or religious affiliation....If my child came home and told me that this had happened, I would be irrate!!! Letters would go out to the school district, the people who organized this crap, mybstate representatives....and I would have called the local news, posted on as many online platforms that I could. Followed by a trip to my attorney!!!
Beyond unacceptable.
For those who do not care about politics....Be careful! This is what you get if "they" are left unchecked.
And to make matters worse, the ministry took advantage of a surrounding social and theopolitical climate to make the children in question fear that enforcers for that version of Christianity would start opening fire on their younger siblings. The ministry deserves no better reputation than a Taliban, Al-Qaeda, or ISIS splinter cell.
Couldn't agree more. Being "apolitical", like it or not, is tantamount to accepting the worst possible politics.
I hope someone like you is on the jury that awards penalties.
The student who wrote the Facebook post was clear, concise, and detailed. Somehow I doubt they have that school district to thank for their eloquence.
When I was a kid, my (non-religious) parents sent me to summer camp. Little did they know it was a stealth Christian camp. They taught stories from the bible without telling you it was from the bible. They never mentioned religion specifically til the end, when they handed out tracts and bibles. When I got older, I was able to process how deceptive it all was. I've never trusted christians since.
Damn dude, thats f ed up
nothing wrong with telling bible stories. if you didn't even realize they couldn't have been pushing it too hard
In principle, theres nothing wrong with telling Bible stories like that because a few of them DO have good morals. I doubt you'd have had a problem if they were telling Greek Myths after all. Its the last bit which is the problem.
@@marcusreading3783The problem is teaching morals from a religion without making it clear to parents that it was the plan.
It's secretive indoctrination.
For me, they were honest about it being bible camp, but it was also the only free option available in a large poor neighborhood. Go figure.
This "college fair" was fraudulent. If the world was just, the people that put this on this charade should have been arrested. Absolutely no ethics in this stunt. Tricking kids to come to an activity like this is shameful.
lol what, arrested?
@@nostrum6410yes luring children under false pretenses then trying to indoctrinate them. As a parent I’d be livid
@@amandak.4246 then isn't every field trip kidnapping
@@nostrum6410Taking somebody by deceiving them into thinking your taking them somewhere you are not is literally within the legal definition for kidnapping.
It is lying.
And they wonder why no one wants to go to church.
This is horrible.
You can't fight religion and zealots by pretending they don't exist. 🤦♀️
"..noone goes to church." 2/3 of America is noone? 🤨
@@Alexa-Raine - I think they meant "no one SANE".
No one SANE wants to go to church, or have anything to do with religion.
The rest of the weak minded sheeple that need a parental figure to tell them what to do still go to church....because they have not yet grown up in the head.
This is disgusting. Every school administrator, teacher, ect associated with organizing this need to be fired. This is just awful. Those students and parents were tricked into attending a freakin religious event. I hope these parents get together and file a massive lawsuit for this nonsense.
At the end of the video Hemant showed a copy of an anonymously filed lawsuit from two parents and their children.
@@toolghost8932 Thx, I need to watch the vid again. How’d I miss that one?
nothing will happen to them. It's LA. 99% of the people here believe in the bs.
What they did should be illegal, and probably is. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for any sort of criminal investigation, though. Local LE, prosecutors, and judges in the South tend to be extremist Christians that fully support stuff like this.
I agree. There's nothing wrong with religious groups trying to recruit (respectfully and politely) someone who understands what they're being told, but to trick someone (and most of all minors) is immoral.
I'm a political centrist and agnostic. Children/teens in school are minors. They have no true consent to make decisions for themselves in life changing ways. Schools need to stay the heck out of politics- BOTH right and left wing ideologies! This country is going bonkers. Schools are NOT political war zones raising the next-gen Republicans or Democrats. Leave the kids the heck alone!
Let them sign up to vote and have everyone register as Democrat. I would have done it, telling them i was going to vote against their bullshit guilt trip.
I would've filled out bs information and let them take the potential hit for voter registration fraud.
This just shows that if you can’t indoctrinate them before they are too old to reason, the next best way is to threaten, scare and prey upon grief, tragedy, fear, hurt, etc.
Worst age to try to indoctrinate them lol high school kids look at everything adults say with a side eye😂
When I went to US Army Basic Training in 2009 I tried to bring a biochemistry textbook, which was confiscated from me. The only allowed reading material was religious texts. I tried to argue that as an atheist, my belief system is essentially the scientific method... they told me to shut up and sit down. On Sundays we were given the choice between cleaning the barracks, or going to church service... so I went, usually to a different one each week. It wasn't unpleasant, it was sort of relaxing, but it was also deeply disturbing that the only alternative was religion. I ended up leaving with a bible and quran (that I still keep), because what else was I going to read? The military still says a prayer before and after most events. It's just disappointing that the separation of church and state doesn't apply to the military (inb4 doesn't apply anywhere else either).
It should apply. Just way too many people in it are Christo-fascists
I didn't realize this. This is just sickening.
Dude did your recruiter not tell you that no personal reading material is allowed. 😂😅 FOOLISHNESS!
Also when did you have any time to read anything but the manual? 😂😂😅😂
@@eq2092 emoji clown
@@sketchiefello9002 wrong the clown is the dude that bought a textbook to Basic Training. 🤣😂
This meets the literal definition of grooming.
It's a good thing I wasn't a student in that stupid "admissions fair". I would have caused a scene, perhaps by standing up and SHOUTING, "Why are you raping children in this church? Stop molesting children, you disgusting rapist!" Would've been the highlight of the show, I guarantee it.
not really
@@nostrum6410 Tricking minor children into a presentation to tell them how you think they should act and dress to become ideal sexual partners. Sure, that's totally innocent.
@@nostrum6410You're not very bright, are you? I've seen you in multiple threads, and you consistently misinterpret situations (deliberately, in some cases), or simply deny fact. Are you a child? Because I can see that issue from a child, but if you're an adult, I'm genuinely worried for you.
No it doesn’t, but this event WAS extremely manipulative, and.. I can’t remember the word at the moment, but it means “brainwashy” it’s a psychological term.
We were exposed to these shenanigans when we were children, back in the 1960s. State Schools were heavily influenced by the Church of England at this time. An exciting day out was promised. History, Heritage, Art and Architecture was replaced by a dull service in a C12th Church by an old bloke in a dress. No wonder Christianity is dying on its @rse in the UK.
It honestly can't die fast enough. I live in South Africa but Christians are just as full of it here.
@@maddiepaige715 My heart is broken. Hearing a fellow human-being suffer at the hands of Christians is not new, but it hurts my very being every time. I can only offer you my empathy. South Africa has overcome many things. Religion is just another unpleasant challenge.
@@tomsenior7405 South Africa still has plenty of problems but hopefully they'll resolve with a bit of time. I was raised Christian and one of the biggest motivators for me leaving the "faith" was the behaviour of Christians in general. Not even just towards "non-Christians". I can't count the number of Christians who told me _when I was Christian_ that I was going to burn in Hell because my beliefs weren't an exact copy of _theirs._ It's a toxic belief system for toxic people. It's just a shame we as a society still enable them.
Edit: I appreciate your empathy. Thankfully I'm mostly not in the line of fire for these people nowadays and have a substantially less "appeasing" attitude towards them than I used to on the occasions that they do decide to start with me.
It should be dying everywhere. I grew up in the bible belt and when people tell me about woke.Jesus I want to slap them
The thing is this happened in the USA and the public should not be allowing religion in school.
In my public high school, in 1971 Houston, we students were called into the auditorium for two "magic shows." The "magic" turned out to be the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Ha! My irreverent Unitarian youth group heard about the earlier show and we made a plan. On a signal, we all stood and walked out of the auditorium. Every morning in home room, we were expected to stand and recite the Lord's Prayer. I always refused and stepped out to the hall. Our resistance was good but a lawsuit would have been better.
Wow and the administration didn't even try to "punish you" for walking out of the auditorium? If not, it truly shows that what they were doing was illegal.
I'm glad that you had a group you could do this with. Expectation and pressure to conform in these environments are worse now.
I got my ass chewed out once in 5th grade for sitting during the morning indoctrination ceremony, I mean, pledge of allegiance. I still wouldn’t stand.
The more i hear about Louisiana the more it disturbs me. What the prisons and cops do there make the other states seem civilized.
It's the entire south. It's hell for sane people.
@@kaybrown7733 i know, but the things I'm hearing about Louisiana make Mississippi seem like Minnesota.
@@itsROMPERS... I'm telling you from Texas to north Carolina is all the same. Some are just better at covering their 💩 than others. I'm originally from AL, but I finally escaped 2 years ago. Best thing I ever did!
@@kaybrown7733 don't get me wrong, i wasn't intending to advocate for the other Southern states!
I'm starting to think MTG's "national divorce" idea isn't so bad! We could just wait a couple years and then buy it all back for pennies on the dollar!
Seriously, imagine all those loser states huddled around the Texas panhandle, panhandling!
@@itsROMPERS... The Deep South would become a combination of Uganda's, Somalia's, Burundi's, Saudi Arabia's, and North Korea's worst elements. I wouldn't trust them not to slice their undesirables to pieces by the thousands per day in public squares.
Everything that Christo-fascists do is self justified because they have "the truth." If you tried to do this to them in reverse to say, a Muslim Mosque or a church that worships Poseidon, king of the sea, they would be furious.
yes, the irony is totally lost on believers.
When I was a believer (indoctrinated by parents) this irony was never lost on me, which is why after a lot of questions, I finally realized it's all make believe.
I'm always relieved to here these groups called what they really are.
@@Mouse_007it's not just make believe, it's intentional lying and theft. Period.
I mean look how angry they all are right now for a girl saying, "Under Allah" in the pledge of allegiance. It is literally in the media they are so outraged. And Allah simply stands for God.
As a parent my top responsibility is to protect my children from the evil of the world. Evils like Christianity and religion in general.
That is why the American founding fathers deemed religions unfit for modern governance.
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required.
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
_“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_
*-Letter From John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817*
_"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_
*-Thomas Jefferson*
_"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature."_
*-Thomas Jefferson*
_"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_
*-Benjamin Franklin*
_“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_
*― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
_"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."_
*-Susan B. Anthony*
I had to get bribed with restaurants to go to church once i hit a certain age. 😂
Sorry grandma, not sorry.
My bribe was I wouldn't get smacked around
@@Imperial-Socialist Same, until It was ineffective. Once your booty cheeks brake the broom stick, you're good.
I got graded for it.😅
@@Imperial-Socialist Were they on phencyclidine / PCP? Was that why their justification for having children was to turn them into punching bags?
@@Imperial-SocialistSame. Eventually they broke me. I finally started deconstructing in my late forties. What a fu cking waste. Hope you did better.
Jfc… I can’t imagine being so deluded that you’d think a stunt like this was okay. And I was raised as a fundie. This is so messed up
The ends justify the means. Crushing all those kids civil rights means nothing when compared to saving a few souls for Jesus
Was tricked into a Christian retreat in jr high (mid-to-late 80s) - told it was a weekend in the woods, doing things together, building confidence, rapport.
The thrice daily prayers and the bonfire hymns, testimonies, and “altar calls” (sans altar) were NOT mentioned in the assembly or permission forms.
It was awful, and there was nowhere to go.
I'd have taken my chances in the woods.
@@SewardWriter 😂✌🏼
@@SewardWriter Honestly the animals would be more hospitable than christians are.
I am so sick and tired of these people forcing their beliefs on the rest of us.
I'd kinda love pagans to rise up and to start doing the same to christians....but we're all too well mannered to want to do that to anyone.
It'd be funny though! :P
This is the beauty of CZcams. Objectively revealing this religion sponsored activity in concert with the school board and teachers is mind boggling. We need law and order and the administration of law and order.
Which is definitely not the Republicans.
Evangelicals will spin this and put out claims that they are being sued for sharing the gospel, and that they are being persecuted.
Wow you can get out of a life sentence by changing your mind.....not sure other convicts know that trick.
Yeah, if only they knew! All you have to do is say "hey, I'm better now! I've changed my ways!" and they just let you go home!
Life sentence plus 90 years at that. Apparently all you need is to find god and the prison system lets you out because they would never punish Christians
Strangely, that is the most believable part of Donk's story.
The second woman says that if something needs to be kept secret, then it shouldn't be happening at all. Funny the organizers felt that they needed the true nature of the event needed to be kept secret.
When i was a kid there was a "public" skate park they built in a church parking lot. It had a fence around it so it could only be used while supervised by an adult.
Right before youth group started, they would shut and lock the gate. If you were inside the fence, you had to enter the church to leave.
We jumped the fence and didnt go back.
Jesus H…..
"somehow he changed his mindset and got out of jail." Tell me you've never been to prison without saying you've never been to prison. On a murder conviction with a 90 year sentence, no less. Sure. That happened.
I remember this too and argued with people who felt that the bait and switch was done for their own good. Because being saved was more important than a job or education.
Anyone who subjects me to an unwanted church sermon is going to hear about it in real time. I enjoy calling Christians out on their hypocrisy and I'm not afraid of Christian threats on my safety.
😂same i was surprised everyone just sat there! I would have had a fit right there!
@@1hanagima It's VERY hard for a student to openly revolt like that, in a group that large.
You have to be brought up to be revolting, and have been encouraged by family culture to go against the grain. I walked out of a mandatory school assembly in high school (with a Jewish and a Buddhist classmate) that turned into a "Find Jesus or Fry in Hell" sermon. But I KNEW from earlier experience that my parents would have my back ... we three got suspended immediately and my dad and the other two dads landed on the school like an avalanche within an hour. (an atheist, a rabbi and a Buddhist monk walk into the principal's office ... no joke)
My family have been "freethinkers" and non-believers since the 1600s and I knew that I would not be expected to listen to sermons in school that I would never attend outside of it.
@@lazygardens Wait seriously? The other two were a rabbi and Buddhist monk?
@@1hanagima I would have stayed for the lols
@@id01_01 One of my classmates was the daughter of a rabbi - one of several sharing duties for a large local temple. And the other's father was a monk in a Japanese Buddhist sect that allows monks to marry (even encourages it). Much like Greek Orthodox or Anglican, marriage is not a barrier.
The idea that anyone could possibly believe "Donk's" story is beyond comprehension. If they don't win this lawsuit, it will be a miscarriage of justice to the highest degree.
The law works in mysterious ways...
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went through the exact same thing in the 80's at a church in ZAR called "The Scripture Union" (or something like that) - had nightmares for ages afterwards after seeing someone being "struck down by the holy spirit" and yelling like a madman in tongues while writhing on the floor. I thought the church was being attacked by terrorists and/or demons and nearly pissed my pants in fear (I was 10 or 11). But, on the positive side, (and apart from actually reading the bible cover-to-cover) this was the spark that started my journey into the light (ie. logical positivism and atheism)....
Are they so bankrupt of self-awareness that they have no idea what the Pentecostal Church of Charismatica's worst habits do to children with principles?!
This happened on a school-day field trip? Taxpayer money went to this use of school time? That's outrageous!
This case is similar to getting invited to someone’s home for a “social evening” only to discover you have been sucked into a MLM presentation like Amway or some other such sales/marketing scheme. Which, come to think of it, is what many religious bodies are.
I went to high school in Nebraska and we also had a few assemblies that were mandated (no option to opt out, entire class ushered into the autorium by teachers) where they gave talks to girls about not having sex until marriage (with the infamous tape demonstration AND a spaghetti vs. waffles demonstration to show how boys and girls are different???). Definitely religiously charged, AND we ALSO had that lady come and lie about her daughter in Columbine (the "Rachel said Yes" shit) and some other assemblies with graphic stories of drugs, porn addiction, and suicide attempts.
Apparently Lying is fine if you're saving souls.
LOL spaghetti and waffles? That's one I've not heard :D This is why we need a standardized secular sex ed curriculum. Our kids deserve better (as did we)!
I have no clue what you're referring to. After this video though I have a worrying suspicion that its far, far worse than I could imagine.
you always have the option to leave
@@amandak.4246 take the suspension, who doesn't want a few days off. no idea where a legal battle comes into it.
It's called, "lying for Jesus." Eminently google-able.
I’ll admit that I rolled my eyes when I first heard “most were traumatized,” since I don’t generally like others assuming a bunch of other people are or are not traumatized by something but HOLY SHIT I’ll believe it in this case.
From a barely remembered study conducted in Canada in the 1970's... the incidence of child abuse (by parents) was between 1 in 350 to 1 in 450. So, 2,000 students around 5 would have been abused by their parents. Then you have girls who were abused by other adults, then their peers... of the 2,000 or so students, 1,000 of which were born with a vagina... I am pretty sure over a dozen of them had trauma responses triggered by the speakers.
Eactly. A whole lot of 'holy shit'.
This reminds me of a really traumatic event that happened when I was in high school. My school had a woman come in to tell us her story about how her daughter was murdered by her abusive boyfriend. She went into heavy detail about it, even showing pictures. Several people couldn’t handle it and got up to leave the auditorium. The lady went on to tell us that what happened to her daughter led her to become a Christian and she welcomed people to come on stage and pray with her before she left.
Another time they showed us a drunk driving prevention video that was made by some of the high school students, but they didn’t tell us that going in. It was set up like a documentary and had very graphic scenes of one of our fellow students dying complete with having one of the local newscasters share the story on air as if it was a real thing. They also had a full funeral service. Many students thought it was a real event and they started crying and some had to leave the room. It wasn’t until after they had showed us the entire video that they let us know it was all staged and the student who “died” was sitting on the front row. The administrators all thought it was a good lesson and were happy with how it went, but tons of kids complained about how traumatizing it was and they even had to bring in a counselor to help people deal with it.
This was in a public school in South Carolina in the early 2010’s. My sister went to the same school and they had 2 prayers led by the principal during the graduation ceremony last year. The district sees nothing wrong with any of it though.
Oh! Some of the schools around here (South Louisiana) were like that in the 2000s, too, with the crash and hiring firefighters and EMTs to come through a staged scene to play it up. Hell, there was even a designated area for the crash at both of the high schools that we went to. They would even scorch the grass and preceding pavement in order make it "more realistic." They usually did it around Prom Time; they are some sadistic motherfuckers, I swear.
We had a play that we watched. It went through a bunch of scenes. Each one was about different students dying. Yes....students dying in various ways. One was a car crash, but they weren't saved so they were dragged to hell. Another killed herself because of bullying, and was dragged to hell as well, because suicide is a sin against God. It's was horrible....all of it. It was quite a long time ago now...but those two scenes I can still see.
@@StudlyFudd13 Fucking hell! I'm so sorry you went through that! Is there no low those nutjobs WON'T stoop to?!
@@StudlyFudd13 - That....that is beyond fucked up.
I'm sorry that anyone inflicted that on you and your fellow students.
That should not have happened. Ever. For any reason.
They should have all been fired for that.
Oh my god!! If I heard this from my kid. First thing, report to IRS! That church should lose their nonprofit status!
I hope the people suing will win their cases. This is an outrage!
Students were taken somewhere under false pretenses and they were not free to leave. Food and water was withheld unless they complied with an agenda, which was further duress. How is that not abduction, kidnapping, human trafficking?
Delicious lawsuit. I hope the students win a huge amount from the churches and it forces them to shut down. This is awful 😣
the church didn't do anything wrong
@nostrum6410 Yeah, the church AND the school did wrong. Good job for reminding us to make sure ALL involved parties are held accountable.
@@yoskibroski3446 and the church did what wrong?
@@nostrum6410 They did LOT wrong, and you know it.
Christians essentially raping children again....how unsurprising...
I was at the school this happened to. I'm so glad I decided not to go to that fair, but it happened to all of my classmates. It was a disaster and an enormous outrage. They brought us into a senior-class-wide assembly to advertise the event, and then illegally required that students register to vote in order to be allowed to eat. Multiple violations of various different legal rights.
I personally know the kid of the mother mentioned at 14:00.
I would've lost my fucking mind on someone. I hated when they did shit like this when I was in a youth group. It was always some sort of fun trip we had to pay for that ended up being a total downer the whole time.
Another red flag...
Selecting a college begins in junior year.
So they failed these seniors by doing this in their senior year. If it was a real college fair it would be focused on juniors! 🥴
I would sue the shit out of the school.
As a kid (not now that I'm an adult, of course), I would have sued that school with a book of matches and a 5 gallon can of gasoline.
As a kid (not now that I'm an adult, of course), I would have sued that school with a book of matches and a 5 gallon can of gasoline.
“If it needs to be kept secret than it shouldn’t be happening at all.”
This alone is such an abusive statement. Because the person who might harm you if they find out can’t possibly be the ones in the wrong. It also seems to directly contradict the “I don’t care if they are gay as long as they don’t shove it in my face” claim, as that is literally just saying “being gay is alright if you keep it a secret”
More like, the girls were given a graphic description of someone who took their life, and the boys were given INSTRUCTIONS. I mean, wtf...
The girl didn’t report the attack to the police or her parents. She just forgave him! I wonder if she felt she deserved it by tempting him or making him angry.
@@janel.8921 That seems to be the gist of their stories. "If it has to be kept a secret, it never should have happened." ie: "It's my fault it happened because I was in a secret relationship."
I'm so grateful I never had to grow up in the South or raise my kid there. To suffer these types of demented, dishonest religious fanatics and deep theocratic machinations is beyond imagining. I'm also grateful to my parents for being cool with me quitting church at 17 in the mid-90s.
That's hilarious! These evangelists have no idea how to appeal to young people, and the fantastical lies they tell only make them look like the hypocrites they are.
A fair for all and no fair for anybody! Teach your kids about the concept of "bait and switch", which means when something is presented as one thing but turns into another, there is often criminal intent. (then run)There isn't any way any God would traumatize young people to gain their trust let alone to get them to believe in him. This is the evil of some really sick people who should be called out for their demented actions.
A god that's tyrannical would love fear... on the other hand... such gods stopped being believed in much, much sooner... so...
One of the local food banks in the city where I used to live was administered by the Springs Church (Inner City) where they made people sit through a sermon by some "hip" pastor about how fabulous Christianity is before picking up their bi-weekly assortment of completely random food. This usually resulted in a needless half hour or longer delay before the team of fresh-faced kids and well-meaning seniors started dispensing things down in the church basement. They also had a volunteer of some kind hanging about giving prayers and laying on of hands (creepy) while people waited in line, cornered in a stairwell with no way to avoid this weird person. As an atheist, the whole experience was highly annoying, but that's what you had to endure in order to get what usually amounted to about $25-$30 worth of stuff (mostly donations of expired or surplus items that wouldn't sell otherwise, plus potatoes - always plenty of those).
I was a kid, 11 or 12 and went with a friend to his church, and before I knew what was going on, I was up at the front of the church near the podium, pulpit, whatever and had a whole bunch of adults with their hands on my shoulders and back praying for me.
Honestly, it was the most creepy and disturbing thing I’ve ever been a part of.
@@ajclements4627 I actually printed off some articles for the guy that described various studies showing that intercessory prayer doesn't work, but of course, he just ignored/rejected them completely.
I'm a Louisianan... Sadly, I know nothing will be done about this. That's how f***ed up it is here. Court case will be probably be dismissed.
They might change their mind if the parents make it public and fling it out to news channels.
It's sad that publicity is needed for these abusers to "do the right thing" and pay up....but whatever works. :P
Even the church knows how good shame is as a motivator. :P
What they don't think about is that it can work both ways. :P
To the parents who get fired up over grooming and indoctrination etc. This is what it actually looks like in the real world. Tragically, those who get the most fired up about it wouldn’t recognize the irony.
I hope people can help those parents with legal costs.
That cost will fall into the settlement payment
If I had a kid at that event, I would be absolutely furious. I'd have contacted the ACLU as well.
Look at you, playing nice. I would have smelled like gasoline for a week after the school burned down...
@@randybugger3006 hey, you know, one step at a time lol
If this isn't grooming, I don't know what is!
Should we also point out how the far right is against colleges in general, so using 'college' prep as bait was meant to be a debasing switch?
They should add the Church into the suit for it's complicity, planning, and interference in publicly funded resources (the school) in order to jeopardize its tax shelter. ALso contact the Department of Education.
What's amazing is the sheer level of entitlement from those organising such batshit crazy nonsense.
They really do believe that it's ok to treat people like that and fling their metaphorical poop around.
Good! I Sincerely hope this school and church LOSE this lawsuit so they can NEVER do this to children, EVER AGAIN!
"If something needs to be kept secret, it shouldn't be happening at all."
Oh really, madam preacher? Like keeping it a secret that this was actually a field trip to a church? Good to know! *walks out*
When I think about all the times we were traumatized by horrible stories in church in order to scare/guilt us into conforming...
Gut shooting someone, doesn't make your bowels fall out, the hole is far too small.
Yeah the exit wound is what can be large, depending on the round used. But never let the facts get in the way of a good story for Jesus. *sigh*
And a train take at least a mile to stop
There's only one word in the fanatics playbook....'deceive'.
That trick should be criminal.
Christianity is subjective depends on what somebody believes the Bible says actually what the Bible actually says. The Republican idea of Jesus Christ is a man with an A.R. 15 chilling, all the people who was sent to save.
Killing*
The only reason why anyone would picture Christ with an AR-15 is because the manufacturer knew it would sell more. Then again, Christ did use firearms, albeit different ones, to fight his way through a den of insurgents in Episode #617, Red Sleigh Down.
That wasn’t the only mistake I made. I wrote a grammatical shit show or a word salad.
Am I the only one who low key feels like some of these "... and I just got up and walked!" stories kind of s*it on people who spent months in rehab learning how to walk again?
"If something needs to be kept secret, than it shouldn't be happening at all." She is right, yet here are all these students kidnapped to a religious event under the guise of some career field trip. If it needed to be a secret, why is it happening than??? And this donk was shot, held his own guts in his own hands, became paralyzed, became unparalyzed, went to prison, on armed robbery, and murder, was sentence to 90+ years, release from prison after 90+ years???? This donk guy is a regular forrest gump, in a bad way.
I'm guessing Donk clearly wasn't 90 years or even close to it. While it's far from the most unbelievable part of the story, I actually find it the most troubling because it's the one part I feel some students might actually be misled by (were they not already ignoring anything Donk said due to the earlier BS). From what I know of the justice system in pretty much all US jurisdictions, the chance someone with such a sentence could get out just by becoming a 'good person' after they committed their crime is close to zero. It just doesn't work like that, the person is almost definitely going to die in prison based on how things are at the moment. The most they can hope for is they might be released very near the end of their life, but even that is very unlikely no matter how much of genuinely good person they have become.
Wow. Ive lived in East Baton Rouge and find this completely believable
I went to school in EBR and I totally believe this is happening.
"What book should a person read to become an atheist? The Bible." Nothing could be more true. The wildly implausible nuttiness in that book is off the charts.
Regarding Donk; life + 90 years there is no way he got out of prison because he changed his mind.
An unsurprising action taken by the "parents' rights" crowd. Where were the parents' rights in knowing what this event was gonna be?
Something about a state that calls it's counties "parishes" is really off.
We have "In God We Trust" (it replaced E Pluribus Unum in the 1950s) on all our currency, so the whole nation is off.
Louisiana was officially Roman Catholic under both France and Spain's rule. The boundaries dividing the territories generally coincided with church parishes. In 1807, the territorial legislature officially adopted the ecclesiastical term.
@@stevenpike7857 i know, and it shouldn't have been allowed.
After all, when it became a state it was officially liberated from the Pope.
Also, okra should be against the law. Have you seen this stuff?
@@vedadalsette1453 All because Joe McCarthy and his legislative sympathizers (while he had any) were so incompetent at political science that they had no other idea how to save the nation from the Soviet Union. Either that, or they were using Shock Doctrine tactics to push the North Carolina Church of Evangelica, as Billy Graham in his younger and more fundamentalist days understood it, on the public.
@@itsROMPERS... Okra definitely needs to be against the law.
And kids in that district can be hit in those buildings by teachers and admins totally legally.
Offering food for registration seems like that would be illegal.
Hemant is being entirely too charitable.
"If you're standing 'Donk' in front of a train, maybe the conductor saw and stopped it."
I mean, yeah, IF it happened, then the application of brakes is definitely a plausible explanation, but that said, I believe Donk is... What's the christian term?
Oh yeah, bearing false witness.
I am disenfranchised... I was raised Roman Catholic, but find them to be so hypocritical. And I never had this type of experience. I have been helping the local Polish Catholic church, which is more inclusive, but I still refuse to attend the spiritual brow beating sessions.
I was too, but face it, the Evangelicals are 10,000 times worse.
Sue the church and every individual (NOT just organization) involved.
It is hilarious that religious groups are having to borrow the shady tactics of time-shares in order to "share the good news". I went to a church in the '80s which had an "outreach ministry" to the local homeless shelter. Basically, we tortured the houseless for a couple of hours with bad music and a verbal barrage of shame in exchange for providing a single meal and a place to sleep for a night. I remember the expressions of resentment and despair on the faces of people who despondently watching us. I was an idiotic teen who piously thought I was doing the lord's work, and smugly believing that at 15 years old, I had done everything right, because I had a home provided by my parents and regular meals, also provided by my parents. Those people didn't need Jesus. They needed a permanent place to sleep and regular meals.
Thank you! I very much appreciate you bringing this to our attention. They have absolutely no shame. No one should ever be subjected to this nonsense. I have never been religious, every time I was in church even as a child I always felt I was being lied to. Way to go evangelicals, hate has a home with you.
Fifty years ago, while living temporarily in Phoenix, my husband dropped my two children and me at a park while he continued his job of delivering flowers. Three women started talking to me and were extremely friendly and invited us to a gathering of friends who hung out together and "rapped" (a popular word at that time) about life. Since we were new to the area it sounded nice to meet some friendly people, so we got a baby sitter and went to the address given. Red flags appeared immediately when we kept hearing "Praise the Lord." They herded us inside the building to the buffet dinner and then guided us to the big round table in front of the stage where they were testing the microphone. We ate our dinner, then I turned to the woman next to me who had invited us and said, "You deceived me. If you had told me it was a religious gathering we never would have come." We got up and left and went to see Woody Allen in "Sleeper.'"
I went to college in Baton Rouge, at Louisiana State University. The second-hand cringe-embarrassment is palpable.
If this is a publicly-funded school board, I see a Establishment Clause court case on the horizon also.
Of course the boys got to have fun while all the horror and responsibility lies with the girls. Totally disgusting and that church needs to be gone.
I really love made up conversion stories. Oh yeah, I was in prison for life +90 but I got better and they just let me go.
This was not even a religious event, it was a violent kidnapping.
"Violent kidnapping". How about you don't exaggerate? I'm not agreeing with what happened but there's a lot of exaggerating also. The kids were put through a church service without consent. I think they'll survive. 🫥
@@tomy8339if you have to lie about an event to get people to attend you probably aren't a good person to begin with and using bait and switch tactics in this case can 100% be considered kidnapping at the very least
@@danesullivan5151 I never agreed it was a good practice. But Google kidnapping. This was not a kidnapping. Stop the nonsense please. This was taking kids to a church service under false pretences. Don't change terminology to suit your narrative. Kidnapping is taking by force. Be sensible.
@@tomy8339 OK your right it's not kidnapping but it is clearly abduction and either way the pure fact they needed to essentially commit fraud to get people there does not make them good people in any form or fashion 😉
Force, coercion, or misdirection. They took them somewhere they and their parents did not consent for them to go and were exposed to terrorist ideologies the parents did not approve of. It's not a violent kidnapping, but it is a kidnapping. The children had no opportunity to leave. They were kept there by force and coercion.@@tomy8339
I'm curious to how "Donk" get out of jail from a Life plus 90 years sentence. I'm sure that's why he gave no real name that could easily be fact checked. I'm gonna add that to my Christians be lying file.
Doesn't the church telling people to vote also mean that said church can be, like. UNchurched? Cause I'm pretty sure religious institutions are NOT ALLOWED to involve themselves politically, or they lose their church status. Like, that's a wholeass LAW. It's literally not legal.
Telling people how to vote, it the sense of specific candidates, can cause them to lose tax status, but issues/values are okay. Telling people to participate in democracy by voting in general or other means is fine, and they are allowed to highlight the importance of issues without naming names.
For instance: telling people to support a zoning variance for the local homeless shelter is A-OK, telling people to vote is OK, telling people to vote John Smith onto the school board is not.