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- čas přidán 2. 10. 2023
- The PGMOL has released audio conversations between Video Assistant Referee officials laying bare the panic that set in after Luis Diaz’s goal was wrongly disallowed during Liverpool’s defeat at Tottenham.
Var Darren England is heard saying “oh f---” seconds after play restarted, having mistakenly thought Diaz’s goal had been given by the on-field officials.
England checked for offside thinking the goal had been given, as said check complete after replays showed Diaz was clearly onside. On-pitch referee Simon Hooper took that as his cue to resume play with a Spurs free-kick.
England then repeats that he “cannot do anything” once play was restarted as colleagues urge that the game be paused.
Liverpool were sent the audio by the Premier League on Tuesday.
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They sounded like they are more afraid of delaying the game than correcting the wrong decision.
why would they be. I remember VAR in other league, even the game is done and everyone went back to the dressing room. They still do VAR check for a potential penalty and the game have to be taken back.
To be fair, it's the number 1 complaint about VAR from fans. It's understandable that they feel pressured everytime they have to stop play
@@theoph1932 That has only been done once
@@hussein6173 ok but they shouldn't be. when it was crystal clear that the player in question was onside, they should have told the referee through his earpiece to stop the game, award a goal and a kick-off to the other team. It's not hard or complex. Your point is based entirely on a sunken cost fallacy (the sunken cost in question is less than 1.5 minutes of time played).
@@hussein6173 this is a possible goal for Liverpool to take the lead with 10 men, it's huge.
We went from 1 referee making mistakes to 1 referee and 20 assistants with live footage of every angle making mistakes. Brilliant.
5 second decision can save your 5 hours.
Introduce artificial intelligence. End of controversies.
@@juancgarcia3535AI can be compromised by a hack so wouldn't make sense
@@bloomer234 look at the positive way, man. Offer solutions, not obstacles.
@@juancgarcia3535 😂😂 fair enough
Instead of calling the ref, he used all his might to say “I can’t do anything” 1000 times.
And he could've done something
Wow, not a Liverpool fan but that's appalling. "The game has restarted, we can't do anything", I'm speechless. They could have easily stopped the game and awarded the goal.
Apparently not giving a credible goal would have been better for them.
If they so bad wanted to make liverpool lose that they'd not give a goal which they knew ought to have been awarded- they should not only lose their jobs, but F.A. should be held accountable too.
Coz how come they were not afraid of any repercussions?
They must have knew the FA would condone their actions. Nobody would risk their job so blatantly.
It says in the Laws that once the play has resumed, VAR may not be implemented. So they actually can't do anything - I agree it's frustrating.
Once play restarts VAR can't intervene, they can't go back and change their decision.
cowards can always take the easy way out and "blame the system".
sometimes doing something "right" can be "illegal".
"They can't go back" is the official guideline - but that would assume the process up to that point had no mistakes, once a mistake had happened, the official guideline SHOULD HAVE BEEN IGNORED and "proper protocol" SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROKEN.
It’s the Assistant VAR who’s confusing the whole dialogue
Downright shocking, i'm not even a Liverpool fan and i'm outraged, how can the Prem have any credibility as a top league in these conditions?
Messi is the best your premier farmer league and tap in haaland isn’t better than Messi, Messi is the best in the world.
Messi scores more goals against top4 epl teams than cr7
and Messi never played in epl
@@militaryjunkie6207
@@militaryjunkie6207cope
But in all honesty the war of 1914 started because in 1812 Napoleon attacked Japan so Japan took revenge by sending Messi 200 million to play for arsenal and Ronaldo refused the deal and went to Ajax instead
@@militaryjunkie6207ok but in all honesty who asked about messi or ronaldo?
Even as a non Liverpool fan, the damnable phrase " Can't do anything" has to make your blood boil.
I thought the same, the ref could of blew up and had the decision reassessed. They would of made a mistake but rectified it and everyone would be signing their praises.
Yeah bro, whoever the one who said that really love to get punched
It was almost smug the way he said it.
@@pemegangkoencisyurgaThat's the rules they have to follow. They can't do anything after reset and the ball is in play again. Is it a stupid rule? Probably. But blaming that guy just because he can't do anything about a stupid rule is in itself stupid.
@@vangledosh it's not restarting the game, the fact that the VAR said "check complete" instead of "it's onside", that dummy can't even communicate right like he was drunk. still deserve to get punched
As a 40 year United fan I love to see Liverpool lose but only when its losing fairly, but thats part of the rivalry. With that rivalry also comes respect. This debacle of a situation goes beyond fan rivalry and nobody wants to see teams getting shafted by the officials in this shambolic way.
I feel sorry for the Liverpool players, staff and supporters. All fans should stand united against VAR!
var is good when done properly how many refs and linesmen cocked up in the old days
English EPL is crooked & rugged
@@graemetaylor629 I agree
😊
Die hard Man City fan but this enraged me to the core. Watched this live and it was obvious onside even when they replayed it on the live game.
(FYI there was no way I was supporting Liverpool right after City losing to Wolves)
plastic fan
@@dariandotzinski3100 or a fan of the sport, not just of the team
Ofc he is from China
@@dariandotzinski3100metal fan, great for summer heat
Tsskkkkkk tskk... What if City lifts the trophy yet again with 99 points and LiVARpool (I call them that other times🤣) gets 98. Their fans would say that if this/that didn't happened, they could have been the Champs. I don't want that.
Give that guy Oli a medal! The only person on that VAR team who was willing to do the right thing!
isnt oli the 4th official on field?
A medal? For pointing out the obvious?
@@rezhaej7911no, it was someone from the var hub
He was michael oliver
@@StuTheDon17exactly, and for doing his job, no less!
Who ever is oli saying delay the game is the most honest person there , the var guy tried to cover his arse by saying he cant do anything , this is shocking
By the letter of the law he can't do anything once the game has restarted.
Pretty sure it’s Michael Oliver
Michael Oliver who is usually a ref was the 4th official.
@@drew1564letter of the law 😂 it’s been around for three years modify it then
@@drew1564 Bull, Man Utd, was given a penalty after the full time whistle last season, decisions have been brought back after the ball goes dead, this is just cheating straight up
Why does nobody say, "It's definitely onside, give a goal". Absolutely embarrassing!! 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
They should never converse using tricky expressions like 'It's fine' or 'The initial call was correct'. They should always say either 'onside' or 'offside' so there are no mistakes
This was exactly my thought. "Complete. Onside" " Complete. Offside". They could learn from law enforcement, aviation etc
Yes that is the key. Same thing in my original comment: at this level, there should be a specific process with specific key words that leave zero ambiguity.
😂😂 @leaves4low49 aviation and law enforcement are trying not to make mistakes. These guys are trying their best to get it wrong.
I assume 0.05 confidence in Var states no goal until proven otherwise.
Normally u assume its a goal and proof it wasn't or give it if u can't.
IN Australian Rules Football we have Very Specific words and phrases about rules, firstly we are taught to never ever say 'HE', 'They, them, or what ever, it's always the rule broken First - It's a push in the back, It's a hold, A throw, not in possession, it's the Rule first last and always, - SO clearly the replay stuff is in a mess and needs clarification, the people talking over each other and the onfield ref not being made to 'wait', 'Hold' Play, is BS. We now have 'score' reviews in our major games that seem to drag on forever as they review every nuance of it, it's becoming a farce, a balance needs to be reached to stop these absolute 'clangers' of decisions.
“Offside, goal, yeah”
Excellent communication there 😂
That's to create an avenue for curruption
Bro 😂😂 I'm sitting here asking myself if I'm the one who doesn't understand English.
Hahahahahahaha. EXACTLY! 🤣
For real, what was that? Really would expect better training for communication. Sounds like me giving directions after a few beers: Go right there left...
Hahaha. Also 'just checking the offside, delay delay', then 'check complete, check complete' (him meaning complete onside, not offside haha).
The young guy who said delay the game cares about the integrity of his job after he found out that the decision on the field was wrong. Respect to him for doing so.
Because he knows he’s not protected like the refs are!!! Many of us have worked in jobs like this where certain people can be incompetent and still keep their jobs. It must be maddening.
Oli Kohout
that because he is not bound by that stupid law. He acted out of common sense which the VAR official is not. VAR official have been programmed to follow the stupid law
@@user-ud6oq8ve6lyeah I know it's the law but refs should be allowed to use discretion when it's needed. I mean this is an exceptional circumstance clearly stopping the game was the right thing to do
And they kept saying "delay delay delay" and yet on went the game. Crazy.
1. He said “Possible offside Diaz”
2. Asisstant reff no.2 raised the flag up
3.he said again ”just checking the offside,delay delay”
4.”check complete check complete thats fine,perfect”
In my opinion
He clearly went with the on field decision even he knew it wasnt true.
When the replay operator said it was onside and told him Oli’s instruction to delay the game..he (darren) ignored it for few seconds and bought time to respond so that the decision cant be overturn because the game has already restarted.
To me, it looks like he cheated intentionally
The match should be replayed!!
The replay operator was the only competent person in that room.
Frame 2 frame 2
because he is not on PGMOL payroll and hence could not be bribed
hahah
@@dbg4154correct.
He wasn't in on the fix
OMG. I'm speechless. The moment that guy said to stop the game they could've easily stopped because the game hasn't progressed enough after restart. There has been instances where the game was stopped after minutes to give a red card or a penalty. This is ridiculous
the moment the kick has been taken to restart they have gone past the stage to bring it back
@@Xandina1just not true. Like the op said games have been stopped after moch longer periods of play before. So it shouldn't have been a problem here.
@@SamyueruXLIIIOnce the game has restarted by any means, there's nothing that can be done. Those are the rules hence the expletive.
@@SamyueruXLIII exactly
Exactly they could have stopped! The VAR delayed the answer to the replay operator so he couldn't do nothing! Guys this is match fixing! Wake up! The VAR and the VAR assistant were bought! It's clear as the day, it's scandalous! There's nothing changing my mind I've seen this in Brazil a lot and in Italy...
Everyone in the VAR room talking over each other. There needs to be air traffic control protocol in there. Clear language to be used, one person talking at a time and handing off before the next one speaks.
Why they did't show this checking line in the live match, Is it possible they remake it after that?
How do they not know the on field decision, absolutely crazy how vague there communication was?
They did, they said it clearly on the audio
Darren England the dumbass say coming back for the offside mate like do u mean check the goal for offside or the on field decision is offside just wat kind of communication is that and Dan Cook as well he just check complete and not say the goal was offside or not. These jokers should both be fired. And the PGMOL as well for letting these guy talk each other as if they playing a video game together the conversation sounds unprofessional as hell. Just an absolute mess, I can’t even tell wat is the proper steps to take once the check started, it just looks like students check each other homework. These checks need to be slowed down by a lot I don’t care if the check is long just get ram decision right.
The level of confusion and lack of coherent communication is shocking, really.
Can not be watching the match
They were busy watching Netflix
One of them was clearly annoyed about the game not being stopped
And maybe had they taken more than 30 seconds to call it, they just may have called it right. They acted like they did not know what they were doing!
Yeah, the only bloke to care about their job! 😂
That's insane they let the game continue
Law 5.2 . Decisions of the referee “The referee may not change a restart decision on realising that it is incorrect or on the advice of another match official if play has started ”
The only exception this rule gives is if its for disciplinary actions ...
Thats why he said it cant be undone
@@walidrupom nah.. the var decision is offside even after showing the line, Thats why the assistant VAR insist on keep playing ball until the man Olin intervene.
@@walidrupom that's not the part where it pissed me off, the fact that the VAR only said "check complete" WTF is that ? he didn't even said, "it's on side", that donkey have one of the easiest job in the world but still fail to do it right.
In the NHL, the ref is asked by the video ref: What is your decision? He answers and then it is under review. Video provided on a tablet for the Ref on the ice. There are 2 people talking - not 3 or 4. 30 - 60 seconds at the most pass until the decision is fixed. Then the decision is announced over the Stadium speakers and the clip is shown for all on the videowall. Works. And in soccer, they make a rocket science out of it with offside running on, etc.
Just imagine the replay operator didn't tell they made a mistake. They would be sitting there comfortably and after a while they would be like "Wait, why the hell it's still 0:0"
😂😂
They would have knew a mistake was made the second the game continued as their decision was not awarded. Are we seriously saying they needed the operator to tell them they messed up?, that alone highlights something was seriously dodgy was going on with these var refs. Its corruption plain and simple.
They were more afraid of stopping the game than rectifying their mistake, they sound so unprofessional
Once the game has restarted they can’t pull it back anymore.
they can@@JRoc407
@@sanjayvenkatesh4651they cant go back to award a "GOAL" after play has restarted
They weren't afraid of stopping the game. They wanted it to get on with it so the passage of time could wash away their sins
SOUNDS CORRUPT
Should have just said "It's onside"
yeah. straight to the point and no bullshitting.
Tbh, onside and offside on a bad audio device can sound the same. They should say its goal, or it's not a goal.
@@more_tezzaBecause that could never be misinterpreted 🙄
Positive or Negative is better
Yeah that would of been the intelligent thing to do.
0:52 "oh wait wait wait" 😂💀
control room guys knew they were in trouble when they saw match restart with a free kick there instead of kick off...
The fact it took the VAR so long to even realise his own mistake just shows how much attention he was paying to the game.
So in a nutshell:
VAR: "Possible offside, checking the offside. Great, perfect, go on."
Replay operator: "The image was onside, the on-field decision was offside".
VAR: "What offside?"
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shambles
Lmao
Perfectly summed up the audio in just few sentences.
@@TottoHolm sums up how amateurish they all are.
They're not professional.
It's unbelievable
Is this really how it happened in the world's best football league or is it a Monty Python scene?
Both.
I was getting Benny Hill vibes...
BeSt LeAgUe
Haaland goals in Bundesliga : FaRmErS lEaGuE . And now he is destroying „tHe BeAsT LeAgUe“
@@Sersch001 stop being denial mate. PL is clearly #1 league based on popularity, watching experience and even best in european competitions last few years.
best ?😂
I feel for Liverpool without the bad VAR decision I think that will be one fine goal by LD and beautiful assist by Salah.
They need to establish clear communication protocols when a check happens not whatever this is. What a mess!!!
It's seriously worrying if a video editing guy is having to point out the rules of the game to qualified refs. He had several attempts there to show them their mistake before the penny dropped. Shocking stuff.
It wasn’t that. The VAR room mistankenly thought that the on-field decision was a goal, but it was actually offside.
That’s why ”check complete” meant that the offside call stood.
@@JRoc407yeah but they still got schooled by the replay operator. Which was @robertb1859’s original point 😅
LiVARpool denied a goal - an Error,being called Corruption
Casemiro leg breaker on Akanji ignored - Corruption,dismissed as Error
No?🤔
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeingsits always Manchester and London teams
@@JRoc407that is the point. How could the VAR (aand his assistant) took 10 seconds to realize that the on field call was incorrect? Was he even focusing on the match at all? Even the replay operator guy noticed it immediately!
It's easy to see why they made a mistake, the response to the on-field referee should never be "Check Complete." The response to the referee should be what the decision is and then there would never be any confusion, in this case they should have said "Player was on-side."
And AWARD THE GOAL.
True , the message Shd be onside or offside .. not check complete
Or something less confusable, like "positive"or "negative" rather than "off" or "on" side
That's to create an avenue for corruption
@@kwamedarko451facts. And say oh it was a mistake and miscommunication. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know exactly what words to say and what they should be trained to say to avoid miscommunication
The panic in that "what" at 1:02 is extremely relatable whenever any of us have horrifically misunderstood something.
Just change it from "check completed" to "onside" or "offside",to avoid misunderstandings next time.
What a mess🤦🤦🤦
The audio proves that the ref doesn't pay enough attention to the game, which led to the simple mistake such as knowing the decision on the field onside / offside. Simple mistake but a huge cost 😅
nah mate, u can tell they were rushing it so as to not spoil the flow of the game. If u watched it carefully they were already ready to do the VAR check when the sequence of play started and the linesman is telling them he's delaying. But I think they were over zealous overall trying to finish the check as soon as possible
Because they know their mistakes would go unpunished. Managers get sacked, players get sold, but rest assured Darren England and Simon Hopper will keep their £200,000 a year job for as long as they want
@@loxcFailed to see that rush when giving Jones the red card. It wasn't breaking the flow of the game ig.
@@loxc in their line of work, is so hard to hear something properly if many people talk together at once. But the mistake was that the VAR doesn't know what they are doing in the first place. They thought they were checking if the goal was offside, which is clearly the opposite. Just a lack focus really, but it will go unpunished in this line of work,oh and lack of communication too
@@kennethsetiawan7950yeah, I agree how can anything get done properly with all that talking over each other nonsense
I’m listening to one guy say stop the game delay the game 10 x while 2 others literally are trying to get the game to go on. Those 2 people need investigating match fixing at its best unreal this is absolutely ridiculous disgusting
Michael Oliver wasn't even in the room as the 4th official and he called it right.
No, they've ignoring him because they know it's too late to go back on it and they're all bricking it.
yep. So true.
No, it seems that Oli was Oli Kohout, hub operator or what. VAR didn't know who was Oli, he thought they were speaking about Michael Oliver, whe was also there but didn't do anything either. Match fixing at its finest.
spot on. I cannot believe these goons on here saying it is 'Human frailty".
They broke the rule but is too afraid to break it again to correct the result.
They restarted the game, so "they can't do anything". The ball was out of play for a throw-in for almost 30 seconds! Can't they delay it there? Shocking this, really...
I’m a Man United fan and as much as I love to see Liverpool get knocked off the perch this is absolutely shocking and unacceptable. Ref had money on the game
That's what im saying ... some serious money
no they were actually paid to referee a game in UAE. the only game that has been referee by foreigners in the UAE just about 2 days before the Liverpool match. coincidence???
The ref in the Manchester Derby definitely had money on United to beat City at OT back in January hence why they allowed that awful goal....
@@Brandon-nq7yscalm down lil guy
stick to your own cesspool of a team mate
Why are they all talking over each other? No order or anything.
Too many chefs, so to speak.
@@sundromos9456 In the NFL they don't speak like this over eachother
Exactly. In a two way radio, one side talks while the other listens. Sentences from each side end with
' over ' so each side knows when to respond. And ' out' to conclude communication. Simple protocol to avoid confusion.
Just wondering, wasn't Darren watching the game live....when the game continued...what was he doing?
He was right can't do anything. Darren England is a Spurs fan. Thanks for not disable the comment section.
Can't believe there's not a simple, unambiguous communication protocol in place between officials. Howard Webb has been telling the world these human VARs had gone through many hours of training and seminars. And this is the end product we witnessed with our ears? The most popular league in the, a prime time game watched by hundreds of millions around the world, only to show what a joke PGMOL and ultimately how poorly-run the Premier League is.
Howard Webb has been useless. Think he might not last the rest of the season
Dude was useless...He was there because of connection
@@samlee86421 Webb is in on it also
Give the guy who was honest and tried to be correct a raise and promotion! Fire the other clowns who didn’t do a single thing to fix this!
I think after the wrong communication the VAR was cut off from the fields ref.
I think they were just following procedure but much respect to Oli
Clowns or idiots?
@@drivingschool11BOTH🤬🤬
English EPL officials are crooks & cheats
At no point before the game is restarted does anyone in the var room say the words "he was onside , repeat onside. Allow the goal". I would have thought that was a fundamental.
That's crazy mate
As a Spurs fan even I was shocked at the moment when the final decision was offside...
There is no fun in winning the game when the opponent is being robbed ...it kills the spirit of the game.
I take it all day long. Champs league final hand ball, I didn't hear Bindippers saying replay the game or incompetent officials.
Salty
@@grahammerry7031maybe because under the rules at that time that was a handball or at least a subjective decision and this is clearly an objective one.
fake spurs fans lol, real spurs know how long spurs have suffered agsint pool due to refs decisions.
Respect
It wasn't a hand ball, we all no that, I'm a scouser, but that day the ref seen it as hand ball, look at all the yellows given out Djiota sent off the game was fixed. It's stunk the whole word apart from var can see it was fixed.
Absolutely disgusting the correct decision should always be made no matter how long it takes.
Screen clearly showing "checking disallowed goal - offside" at 35s mark, so why was there misunderstanding in the first place??
Damn I didn’t know they talk this much. This job seems so hands on and actually quite intense. Must be a blast honestly. Wish I could try this!
Why did they rush? VAR usually takes ages to decide. That is mental. Watching the game on TV the other night they never even showed the lines on the pitch, just charged on with the game. Shambles.
They rush because people have been complaining VAR usually takes ages to decide.
@@JRoc407they spend minutes on Jones red card decision and 30sec for a goal that called offside?
Yeah, what's another 30 seconds gonna change really? The flow of the game is already interruped, may as well make sure they get it right. VAR ref needs to be fired.
The only way for them to get away with match fixing, was to rush it and act as a f****** idiot if or when someone found out.
@@Jonse70 it is much better if the public forces them to make bulletproof, public communication protocols rather than go the "conspiracy" route...solves nothing.
Had only they said "CHECK COMPLETE..HE IS ONSIDE...I REPEAT HE IS ONSIDE"
Yep. They need air traffic control-style language.
How hard it is to make the communication between ref and VAR heard round the stadium. Wouldnt have happened otherwise
Foi um golaço 😁😁😁 grande jogo dos bons.
Imagine it's a final with this kind of mistake. 😢
Unfortunately, premier league doesn't have finals, but points have been lost, which could be costly at the end of the season
@@wishpattimagine a world cup final with refs like this. People are going to hurt physically mate.
It basically happened with benzema goal vs Liverpool in 2022 final. It should have been a goal
wrong czcams.com/video/HpVOe2y1IqY/video.html@@jonnybarron1518
Happened with a non handball champions league final spurs v Liverpool
Ollie's at the wheel ...but sadly his colleagues have chucked the keys away! SHOCKING😢
no because the rules of the game wouldn't allow it.
Oli Kohout is the guy - he is the Var hub opeartion executive. Everyone thinks it was Michael Oliver but it wasnt him sky sports clarrified.
@@cxngo8124I'm 100% certain nobody would've cared and probably would've called for the rule to be changed. it's obvious that doing the right thing is more important here, especially when it's been less than a minute since play was restarted.
@@agspr refs breaking the rule for Liverpool would be a disaster. What needs to be done is change the law, because breaking it sets a precident and now any ref can break a law if they feel it's wrong or they make a mistake.
@@cxngo8124the VAR is there to make the Correct decisions and for the Integrity of the Game, them breaking the protocol wouldn't have meant much compared to the Shambolic disaster and scrutiny they're under now
I still find this ridiculous and freaking annoyed for such a beautiful goal to be disallowed so wrongfully and not even rectified despite the chances
I don’t even support Liverpool but this is shocking how can this happen in the number 1 league in the world
I'm a Tottenham fan but this is wrong..
This situation may repeat itself again in the future.
There is no guarantee that this will not happen to Tottenham either.
The Premier League should discipline them.
Correcting the result as 2-2 draw is still an option. They're probably offering it to both teams as a resolution.
@@meznehemiaI doubt it. Tottenham players would feel that the result would be unfair as it wasn’t their fault that VAR got the decision wrong. They still scored the 2 goals, and according to them and the officials, they only conceded 1.
@@meznehemia I do not there is rematch or just give it 2-2. match is over, nothing can be done.
@@ericy9886Liverpool got the most points of any team last season (5) due to VAR errors. I think they can suck up this one. Happens to all teams.
Tottenham team /fans celebrate and dance like they won the trophy. any of the player or ur team released statement about the mistake ???
This isn’t their first mistake we need all audios for every controversial decision made
Haha bro.This was given due to pressure from Liverpool. Pigmol never even considered giving it to them in the first place until the premier league bosses intervened. Those jokers may as well do away with the remaining tapes
Just like the awful decision to give United a second goal against City at OT last season
@@MuwanguziElijah-ul5kl 🪦🪦facts
Wow, unbelievable
Assistant Referee 1 already said coming back for offside. Also, the screen was not showing any goal celebration prior to the 4-panel display screen. Now why would Darren and his assistant had thought a goal was given?
The VAR guy sounds too much like he doesn’t want the operator to finish checking the lines… why does he repeatedly tell the ref “check complete” before the operator is done?
Interesting that the operator was saying check complete when there was no acyual mutual decision made some thing fishy in this
@@brianchester4218 no the Operator is the one still drawing the lines while the VAR guy says “check complete. Check complete”…
Check 0:46…
Coz it’s clear onside when the line are shown.
It’s just miscommunication which caused the error. The onfield official thought “check complete, it’s fine” meant the offside (the original decision made by the linesman) should stand while the VAR ref thought they conveyed message of “it’s fine, it’s not offside”
Darren England = David Brent
Liverpool have literally lost a title by a point. And these inconsistensies can happen to any other team. Proper investigation and actions must be taken against the refrees involved
actually, two titles
@@joaquinferrazzi923check the referees back account
Can happen? They DO happen to every other club. They happen all the time.
@@therevolvingmonksaying something can happen and does happen are not conflicting statements
@@jakethewoz They are in this context but I get it...acknowledging the fact that it happens to other clubs and that Liverpool have been on the side that benefits from egregiously poor refereeing would impede the ability of your club and supporters to cry your way into being awarded points or a replay.
Why don't they just say what the decision should be: 'offside' or 'goal'? Saying 'check complete' just adds a layer of ambiguity.
Nice to see they have this.
It's refreshing to see other teams supporters speak out respect
Referees going to a new level.
Rivalries aside...it's all about football... if not exposed...there'll surely be another victims
@@joecongrain7477 Actually current situation it does. Btw we'll see these refs at boxing day. Maybe sooner.
RIP FAIRPLAY, CORRUPTION WIN
As a 40 year United fan I love to see Liverpool lose but only when its losing fairly, but thats part of the rivalry. With that rivalry also comes respect. This debacle of a situation goes beyond fan rivalry and nobody wants to see teams getting shafted by the officials in this shambolic way.
I feel sorry for the Liverpool players, staff and supporters. All fans should stand united against VAR!
Yes. Clearly the onfield ref is as fault for not being clear with what the decision he had called for was and VAR weren't clear in what they were saying was actually being 'check completed'
But he doesn’t need to be, surely the var watches. Ref was just doing his job
they must hear the linesman saying offside. that is what they have to pay attention to, also the images, no celebration.
On field was pretty clear on it being offside mate
He was busy sinking Liverpool...
They must have skipped their course on basic communication skills. This was about the legality of a GOAL, not a potential penalty or red card incident! Pathetic...
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He could have at least contacted the in field referee and let him make the decision to stop the game or not .
It's no wonder things go wrong with this chaotic style of communication, people talking over each other, other people not hearing each other- what a mess. The system of communication needs to be improved.
Right on. It's a complete mess. How can they get it right with that chaos.
The ref spent a lot of time on checking Curtis Jones' fault for potential red card offence. And he was wrong about that decision IMO so he may have concluded 'I'm not gonna waste more time on penalising Liverpool again. Let's stick to the offside decision and we can continue the game."
Don't want to see that Simon Hooper referee ever again in charge of a Premier League and any international football game. 😠
I used to do some stagehand work running spotlights and comms are always going to seem chaotic to someone not involved. But, even if people are talking over each other, the intentions and message should always be clear. 'Yes/no' can always be ambiguous. They need to switch to answering with statements instead. For example, to a question to 'is it not offside?', the answer shouldn't be 'yes/no', it should be 'confirmed onside/offside'. My wife is a nurse, and in the medical field they use closed-loop communication (repeating last order) to minimize any mistakes when communicating orally. This should be an easy fix with some training. Whether the PGMOL will actually implement it, is another question. I hope Liverpool follows up on the suit and we get some changes. As a Spurs fan, very disappointed in this game. Huge respect for Liverpool for playing how they did given the awful circumstances.
This was definitely deliberate because…
1. They usually show whats being checked on the big screen at the stadium. For this game THEY DIDN’T!
2. They usually show the decision on the big screen. For this game THEY DIDN’T!
3. VAR decisions usually takes atleast a minute. This one took SECONDS
yeah, and even sky and other tv stations never mentioned the situation
I can see why it took seconds cos it was so easy to call on side
Love the fact how they can get away with it by just saying "hey we are sorry" and then nothing we can do with their stubid decission making.....
Guess what that's how a lot of coperarion work.
"Well done boys , good process ." 💀
How do VAR & asst VAR don't know the on field decision ? And after the replay operator remind them 0:52 they seem don't connect to what happen on the pitch. Absolutely crazy. Now we really have question about the integrity of the Premier League. I smell something fishy here. The replay operator was the only honest person in that room.
The only competent official was the replay operator, the rest acted very suspiciously!😮😮
Now that we have heard the truth. We need a replay.
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Absolute muppets. That many of them and they still can’t get it right 🤦♂️
Actually that many of them may have contributed to the outcome
That's the problem though, too many cooks in the kitchen
Can't say any words after whatching this video....Shocking
Thats disgraceful, felt like the VAR was more worried about keeping the ball in play rather than getting the call right
It honestly sounds like they're under pressure to keep the game going and minimal amount of stoppage as possible. If they had 30 seconds longer to clarify everything and let people actually speak instead of just people talking over each other that decision might not have been so wrong.
I had to listen to this 4 times and then pause play to read the captions to understand what was being said... how about VAR communicates back to the ref by saying "VAR decision: the player was on side and the goal stands", that's the sort of communication protocol I would expect to hear.
wow.....just wow
I'm not sure how bad I imagined this to be, but the actual reality is at least ten times worse. How have they managed that? Why is it so hard to just say: ''Check complete, he's onside''? All of this would've been avoided. That VAR referee can't have been paying any attention to what's going on.
There is a part of the video and specifically audio missing where it clearly cuts out on 48-50 seconds.
When they ask to delay the game why cant they just take it back, give the goal, and then add time at halftime? So stupid.
That sounded like chaos.
Replay operator literally told everyone they were wrong after what sounded like the team thought the initial call on the pitch was onside. Once they realized the on the pitch was offside, they all froze like 'that's the wrong decision.' That's just pathetic all round.
This is absolutely hilarious to think that the most prestigious league's communication system has this many errors! Absolutely gutted
Darren England " I can't do anything" when he was the one who didn't covey the message clearly. Darren did this on purpose. Oli said stop the game, but Darren didn't convey the message to on field referee. Darren did this on purpose. He should be banned forever.
WOW!!!!!
I'm a city fan but how on earth did anyone claim that was offside??? He's miles on
Nobody claimed it was offside, it was a communications failure
Linesman claimed offside, referee agree, var didn’t object. Tell me how is this just human communication failure/errors when involve everybody from linesman to referee to VAR and AVAR? What is the odd all of them making a same human mistake at the same times????
@@michaelyap939 to the lineman's credit, it was a close call from his vantage angle, and he visually and verbally showed offsides as his decision. He did his job, the others did not.
Shocking
At last, this is a big moment for EPL, for years there has been crazy officiating. Surely something is behind it.
Aqui no Brasil isso é normal infelizmente, aqui eles pegam 3 jogos de suspensão e depois voltam e fica tudo por isso mesmo, aqui temos jogos de cartas marcadas.
He's asked if hes happy with the onfield decision being offside and he says YES??? 0:52. The Assistannt VAR is the one who made that decision.
This is what I'm trying to bring to everyone's attention. Everything that Assistant VAR says is to validate the wrong decision.
I remember United was once given a penalty AFTER the final whistle was blown yet they couldn't delay a game that has progressed by not more than 30 seconds?! To rectify a "clear and obvious error"
That's sad
I think that’s different because the game hadn’t ‘restarted’
@@l_karuhangathe game was literally over
The only difference in that is that VAR check was still ongoing eventhough the final whistle has been blown..but this one VAR check was completed..there might be a rule that VAR cannot change it once the check has been completed..i don't know ..just pointing out the difference that's all
@@dzeklakovic7568 ...The foul obviously occurred during game time and then was reviewed by VAR. While that was happening the ref blew for full time. The VAR check obviously has still got to be made.
With the Liverpool incident all they had to do is ask the ref to stop play and alert him to the fact a wrong decision had been given. Not difficult ...but apparently they decided to keep digging when they found themselves in a hole.