Saab Gets Turbo Upgrade! More Power!!!
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- čas přidán 3. 11. 2018
- Like any high mileage vehicle, parts start to fail. In this case, it appeared to be the turbo. Typically, you replace the parts. But on some occasions with some cars, you have the opportunity to upgrade! Look at what can be achieved with close to the same cost as replacing the original part!
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Ok bois. Here's the skinny on this
More turbo means you need more of everything else. If you just swap turbo you WONT be getting all you can out of the car, and you will be broke down very soon. Here's a list of the basics you will need to do in order to do it right. The first thing is make sure you have the proper PVC. Im not sure about years but I think after 2003 they corrected the pvc system and there was recalls, so when in doubt just replace the pvc system. Plus the hoses are most likely old and if one has a crack you cant see you will be bumming. More air consumption - cold air intake system.
More fuel - upgraded fuel rail
To make it all work - computer tune is a must unless you dont want the car to run right.
Now it makes more heat - intercooler upgrade. Radiator should be ok stock but silicon hoses everywhere possible to keep oils, waters and air cool as possible. If your smart you will wrap that manifold and the hard pipe at top of turbo with heat tape.
With more boost you need to expel the unwanted air faster - blow off valve.
Back pressure needs to escape - larger exhaust diameter has to happen.
And last is spark. NGK platnums are THE BEST PLUGS period for this car. I am dead serious about the heat issue. My stage 3 got really warm and you can feel the heat through the floor boards. This is all fun and stuff but it's not cheap to do it right.
The B2x4 T5 engines did not have PCV and sludging issues
Love it - Greetings from Trollhättan!
HI THERE!!!! 😃😃😃
As I've said in the comments in another Saab-vlog: It makes me proud to be a swede when I see the Saab-ism around the world. Each summer they have an event at the Saab museum in town and every year there's nutcases from all over the world camping on the lawn. People from Australia, Germany, you name it. All come to see the museum and the factory. Looking forward to more videos! Take care
Buddy that looks sick I just got an 03 9-5 and I love it
Fantastic video , thanks . I have just bought my first SAAB and know little about them so i`m on a massive learn push :D
Thank you!
gotta love the saab engineering with taking that all apart lol. if it was a V8 in a chevy it would just pull right off haha
He did it way wrong, turbo is supposed to come out from underneath, he created alot more work than was nessisary by pulling it out from above.
Still not as easy as a classic old v8 but not as hard as it looks in the video
A nice clean video. Good lighting, good camera skills. I wasn't guessing (much!) about what you were talking about. I like my bog standard 9-3 & the way they have made the turbo feel like part of the car, but then I drive like an old fart anyway. Anybody, can bolt on an aftermarket go-faster bit, but you have made a very nice "tutorial" using bits from different models, AND making it look original. Well done.
SUPER appreciate that! Yeah I like the oem look, but I want it to be different too. So I try to find the balance lol. Thanks a lot!
Great video pal, very informative. Thanks
Just did mine. It was way easier to pull the turbo down from the bottom lol, saves a ton of time
Just needed to pull two bolts for the other end of the down pipe but i guess it works
Great video, man! I've done this upgrade 6 years ago on my 96 900 when I started blowing oil into exhaust. Got a used td04 and a rebuild kit on eBay. Rebuilt it and got it balanced. Still works great on stock tune. Can't wait to do a stage 3 or 4 tune! Clocking the turbo and the lines was the hardest for me.
Sounds like a very similar situation! I may go stage 4 soon but clutch already upset haha.
There’s turbo rebuild kits?
Excellent Vid As Ever 👌🏻
Thank you!!! 😃
Sweet vid that was a A-Team special
Lol thank you. I removed a LOT of footage. It was too much, would have been too long, and I constantly repeat myself lmao.
Great video on how to swap to a bigger, better turbo. Also thanks for that forgered diverter valve thing to sound better with the turbo sounds.
Just remember the diverter valve thing only works on the older engines. The newer style ones it doesn't run right and throws a code. HOWEVER, I've seen people pull it off with some tricks lol.
Ok well my 9-5 is a 1999 not an aero. I did that and it idles the dies. So I should not do this I'm assuming right? Sucks bc the blow off sound...sounded great 👿
@@dannyjr7997 correct you should NOT do the diverter valve thing. It doesn't work the same as the engine in this video. Bummer I know. 😔
Thanks for letting me know😀
Beautiful car!
Good video
I think the initial difference I saw from the T25 to TD04 upgrade was the ability to keep pulling at highway speeds. The smaller stock turbo seemed to fall off at top end. Nice video though, good to see other clean Saab's.
Couldn't agree more. That's pretty much what I experienced.
Use factory 90 style near intake pipe to clear. Flex lines everywhere else worked great. Install flex lines to turbo before install. Got flex kit off Ebay for this upgrade. You will need banjo bolts from original turbo and kit. Hope this helps.
1: Remove downpipe, 2: Drop turbo, 3: Remove manifold. Cut hard lines and get a flex kit.
I recently swapped my old B235E in my 9-5 to a B235R. Love me a TD04. Even got the Aero ECU in. But next on my list?
NOOBTune stage 1 hybrid ECU.
It's gonna be an animal!!!
nice job....
Great video definitely considering getting an older gen 9-3 or a 9-5aero I’ve heard their engines are way better than the newer 4cyl Gm engines
It's definitely a whole different animal. They are one of the greatest 4 cylinder engines I've ever came across though!
My 03 9-5 aero has 215k km and still pumping strong
Little late but the b205 and b235 in the 9-5 are some of the worst engines saab has made, they have horrible oil sludge problems and weak pistons.. the b204 on the other hand is a really strong engine.. The newer b207 engine is not as strong as the b204 but still way better than the b2x5 engines.
@@randomthings43 Indeed - I have my eye on a 9000 CDE here in the UK - I hope I can get it, as they are amazing cars that can be made very quick for not a lot of money.
@@randomthings43 and that’s why I bought forged pistons for my b235r viggen lol
Nice
Taking the radiator and or fans out often is the solution. Fans are super easy.
I think you need an ecu remap for the different turbo.
I'm assuming you have the T7 style inline intercooler.
Proud new owner of a 2002 Saab 93 SE 5 speed manual ^.^
Josean Vega Bought an 02 9-3 se convertible but it’s the automatic 😔 been fun working on though
Please go and get a new tune for the td04. Do u have bigger injectors? I have done similar setup with td04-19t.
just got my Saab 93 about a month ago havent been able to drive it much just because of this huge oil leak but should have it back today I got a steal on mine 600 166k suspension is in great shape lots of new parts runs very and drives very well I want to replace the brakes and radiator and this line under the radiator is leaking power steering fluid so just get that all cleaned up and I should be good for a while very excited to get it back on the road
Sweet!! What year??
Saabs Of America 1999 base model
Saabs Of America super inspired by your video here I only plan on like a stage 2 tune so I may just stick w. the t25
Saabs Of America also is that an Integra lip looks great
@@majjegaming5927 if you only go stage 2 the t25 turbo should be fine. And thanks! Many trial and errors on that front lip for sure.
Hello! I have a 97 900 se what size time could I run with out running into figment issues?
Do you know approximately what a "safe" HP and rpm range on one of these is, with a stock bottom end? Good internals or?... My brother picked one of these up and we wanna make some more power without making a mess... lol Stock clutch any good?
Where is the Cobra Pipe from? Is it a Viggen or from a Saab 9-5?
How would this set up compare to upgrading to a 19T version?
I had to ditch turbo hard lines for flex lines so I wouldn't go insane.
The thing is, smaller turbo spools faster. And you have that power on lower RPM, or say you're starting getting more power and not just letting bigger turbo choking you until it spools and pulls finally. T25 has great potential, as you said at the end of the video, definitely is more fuel efficient in urban traffic plus some light pulls :) I see the advantages. That being said, I have a 95 with TD04, 2 9000s with TD04, one 93 with TD04, then 93 and ng900 with T25, 95 with a T17... The list goes on. 2 liter has more "issues" with TD04 to actually get to run and produce some power :) compared to 2.3L.
I know the smaller turbo spools faster. In fact I really liked it at stage 2. But stage 3 it was running out of breath. More boost from there it just can't cut it. Plus the turbo oil seal blew so I replaced with td04 and is a lot more manageable with the higher power tune. 👍👍
@@saabsofamerica5328 I totally understand why you did it :) and why it was a good idea for you. You definitely do more of a "crazy" driving (ehm) and you plan for power increase in the future possibly as well, and sinc the oil issue added up on that, it was clear which way to go (let's just assume that stage 1 2 3 really helped T25 to just go bad earlier - same as my T17).
My comment was more of like informative, something that I felt was a bit missing to be said in the video and explain to all those "waaa, me getting a bigger turboo" and then still driving it more in the city :D
@@PeterChomanic dude like every video I make as soon as I'm done editing I'm like "ah shit I should have said this!" Lol. SOMETIMES if I can recreate the scene I'll go back and touch on it. But most times, I can't lol.
@@saabsofamerica5328 I can relate to that :) but that's not a problem :) here we have a comments section to discuss.
Smaller turbos spool faster but are garbage sure you get some lag with bigger turbos but compare the HP on a car with a t25 on 20psi vs same car with say a precision 6262 dual ball bearing when that big turbo spools the power being delivered is a massive difference
Where’d you get the lowering coil overs
got a td04 18t in my saab R900 puts down about 380-390 hp
what kind of lip kit do you have on this 9-3?
Looks like my car
Flex lines save your life here.
Hi there, what happend with the channel? Im about to put TD04 on my B204 and i just finish watching this video. I have intake, full exhaust and big intercooler with piping. It will be interestin how i will fit all oil feeds... im going for 280hp.
hi why is the light on airbag ?
Ok... I’m curious how you got that pipe off for the blow off to intake without the car running like shit.
The 1999 9-3 was T5 engine management. Basically, no MAF sensor. So doing this doesn't effect the car. 2000+ 9-3s came T7 engine management, which had a MAF and if you do remove that pipe it will give you attitude.
Just because of the fall on its face issue and Yes it does by 5k with the t25 it's worth it to upgrade to tdo4 if you want more power. It's not an easy swap so do your homework.
Just got my 2004 Saab yesterday. Thinking about doing some after market stuff to it. Any suggestions?
Jacob Branam
Brew City Boost tuning is cheap. You'll need to get open intake, better flowing exhaust etc. I'll suggest if swapping turbos get the flex line kit off EBay or Mamba. Good luck.
Hi my 03' 9-3 vert recently blew its turbo. It came with gt17 with bsr stage 1. I am swapping turbo td04-15t since I always yawned for lack of its power. I think I will be done by a week or two and was curious if my ecm or ecu will automatically recognize turbo or should I let a tuner to correct it or if I can, should I request bsr to give me a new program since I bought the ppc3 years ago? Problem with the tuner I know is a starter and used my 05 9-3 ss as a tester which made me drive nearly 3~4 months with various engine troubles. Think he fried my ecm once and put in out program like 20 dozen times until everything was settled with like stage3 263hp. I also gotta mention that while dismantling my turbo. I didn't have to take off my manifold while taking off gt17 I simply disconnected water lines and unhooked catalytic converter and pushed it aside to pull it out, but my turbo was small so not sure for other guys. I am waiting for a new adjustable wastegate actuator since nipple of actuator was bent and leaks (tested with air compressure)while shipping. Last question since I bought adjustable waste gate what bar spring should I set it on? My 9-3ss was set at 0.8 bar which runs great but anything over that I get overboost since I have stock catalystic. I would love to change it to 3" down pipe but understand that its illegal in Korea similar to California emission. Thanks for some answers in advance
When you get a tune, it's programmed to run at a certain amount of boost. Doesn't matter what turbo. So when swapping turbo out, ecu should run fine, you'll just be at same boost level, even with a more powerful turbo. As far as the adjustable wastegate actuator and spring I couldn't tell you what to get sorry.
@@saabsofamerica5328 thanks I really appreciate it :)
How much power u make how much psi u runnin
Nice. Do some 3rd pulls itl map it self in.
Yea definitely start with ps then manifold then turbo.
Glad you put a king cobra in. Worth. And the 06+ oil drain is nice if you did that too.
I turned the boost up and did a 3rd gear pull...... clutch didn't like that lmao.
@@saabsofamerica5328 that happens. Clutch job isn't too bad. Just went through it on my ng.
it will not map itself. get the car tuned
Hi i want toen buy An Saab 9 3 with a b205r engine doesh any one know what turbo is on that engine?
The turbo on the B205R engine is the same turbo I INSTALLED in this video, which is the td04-15t.
What wheels are on the car? They look great.
BMW wheels. Look for my "not a viggen" video and start watching at 16:15 I talk all about them. 👍👍
Thanks brother. I thought they were BMW wheels. I’ll check out the video.
what does stage 3 mean?
I changed my turbo to from orgl to 19t 😁
Well OMG!!!! ❤❤❤❤ What numbers you putting down??
Saabs Of America well the injectors are to small but i think about 260hp i do have some 630cc injectors that i will install later and bigger fuel pump
Saabs Of America do you have an instagram ? I can send fotos of the car and stuff there 😀
Where is the front lip from bro? It looks awesome
Watch my other video "not a viggen" it explains everything.
@@saabsofamerica5328 bro, please tell me something about bobina of ignition red, what diference betwin red and black. Sorry forma my english o justo talk espanish. And thanks for your answer!
@@luigui12357 El rojo es un motor más antiguo y una computadora diferente. el negro es el motor más nuevo de una computadora diferente. se ven iguales pero no lo son. rojo 1994-1999 y negro 1999-2003.
@@saabsofamerica5328 thank's for your answer! You have a great channel!
How much to do mine??
So after all this work swapping to a Tdo4 on my 1999 Saab 9-5 I'm seeing 16psi!!! Wth! Same tune only Turbo swap. Guessing I must get a Tune?????? Help please. Car runs fine but obviously extra boost isn't getting extra fuel.
It will compensate for the extra boost via the map sensor AS LONG AS it's not "running out of fuel"... meaning a situation in which the injectors are already flowing 100% of what they can and it's still not enough... If it's not pinging and your plugs don't look hot/lean, I'd say you'll be fine with fuel and timing
Take the front bumper off next time digdog.
hi) you have expirience about oil ZIC 5w40 or Neste 5w40 with engine saab 9-3 9-5 2.3 turbo) am listen what talking about this oils talkinkg people who lives in syberia and frozen zones who driving just like saab 9-5))))
Почему красная кассета зажигания??
I have 01 9-5 wagon for sale
Stage 3 turbo tuned
22 lbs of boost
Suspension
Manual transmission
Sachs clutch
3 inch exhaust w cat delete
Makes well over 300 hp
Gold n chrome bbs
Motor blown
10k invested
1500 obo
Rian Brown what turbo does it have
this is making me scared to td04 swap my 99 9-3
we found the bridge for human dna....
hey bro i removed that pipe that goes into the intake . for the wsshh sound . but . my car turns off . like the rpms go down what am i doing wrong . help i own a 99 viggen lb
PUT IT BACK ON. This does not work on T7 management systems. Only T5 can do this.
2000+ 9-3 are T7, and ALL Viggen are T7. 1994-1998 900 are T5, and 1999 9-3 NON Viggen are T5.
You basically can't do it. Not without a lot of work. Put the pipe back on, buy an air intake and call it good.
Yeah had to put it back on.
No, you think you are not good in tutorials. thats mistake.
Always have to get creative with Saabs 🤦
Sounds like a diesal....
nice job.....
Thank you very much!