Shotguns are WAY BETTER than we thought...
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2022
- I went on a mission to prove that shotguns are some of the best weapons in R6. Have problem with bad aim or bad recoil management? Run a shotgun! Those aggressive enemies messing you up round after round? Hide around a corner with a shotgun! There are a lot of really good plays and cool things you can do with shotguns that make them very strong choices in Rainbow 6. So I played shotguns for 3 days in champion ranked to see what we could learn.
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What an explosive entrance, but I never think shotguns are bad. Just there's too many situations where range is an issue.
Slug shot guns? 🤦🏼♂️
@@col6rs honestly, those are the exception, not the rule and they are pretty much dmrs that make a bigger hole
@@col6rs nit picker. 🤦
@@col6rs High recoil and low firerate and/or ammo and it lacks the spread advantage that makes shotguns useful at all.
Attackers need range, and shotguns are only viable in defenders with a good secondary, i.e mute, smoke, cav. You could play Echo with shottie, but the supernova is terrible
The french shottie is probably the best in the game, but I'm not going to sacrifice the MP5, when pistols absolutely suck balls for long/medium range, because the iron sights are terrible (ela shottie works because the pistol has a red dot)
I personally always run Hibana with the supernova suppressed and the bearing. The suppressed shotgun is more for utility where I can enter softwalls without making much noise and close angles while the bearing 9 serves as my "primary"
You’re either silver or plat
@@Shade_Sunlight 😭😭😂
@@Shade_Sunlight not really, if you can control the bearing like a laser beam you don't really need the type 89
I don't see why you'd silence a shotgun tho
@@Shade_Sunlight nah h b bronze
@@Shade_Sunlight he either copper or champ
One thing I will say about shotguns is that the devs should really soft rework them, Like the primary issue with shotguns in most games is that they're taken a bit too literally when you remember they're "Scatter guns".
The pellets on most shotguns in most games very very rarely have set scatter patterns, and this instantly makes them extremely inconsistent.
But if you look at a game like Apex where all of the shotguns have fixed patterns, then suddenly it's a case where the shotgun IS consistent.
If you have the Eva, then your bullets always make a figure 8 shape, so if you put a shotty sight on someone's chest at a certain distance, all the pellets hit perfectly every time.
But in Siege, the pattern is random.
So like I'm literally in a T hunt with two shots on a wall side by side, and the left one has the majority of the pellets on the left side, the one on the right looks like a fucking S.
If you're just aiming too far to the side of someone, half on half off, your blast could miss almost all of the pellets or all of them could hit.
Shotguns would be really good if they gave them fixed patterns.
Fixed patterns would probably be easier but personally I'm a fan of how D2 shotguns works.
@@meloncholy428 Hows that?
@@ethandonnelly1973 it has a one hit kill range then fucks off after 3 meters
@@ethandonnelly1973 basically every shotgun except slugs shoot 12 pellets that are spread out in 3 rings. First, 1 pellet always goes right in the center. Second, the inner ring is divided into 4 wedges each with one pellet. And third, the outer ring is divided into 7 wedges each with one pellet. the pellet goes in a random spot inside it's wedge. it allows for realistic variation that still keeps consistency. shotguns do still have a spread angle which means that their effective range has some wiggle room because the spread area is calculated from its initial shot pattern.
@@quandaliusdinglus3374 That's not gonna produce consistent results though.
Like If you have a box formation with a Center pellet and 4 to a corner, THAT can be consistent. 5 pellets doing 20 to 25 damage within it's damage range which drops to like 10 damage after 8 meters, So now inside it's range, it blasts consistently as long as you hit your shot clean to the torso but getting a kill beyond that distance is much less consistent. You can have 5 out of all the pellets be consistent and Instantly improve the weapon.
But instead you have variation within an area which again just ends up meaning that sometimes the pellets will take one side, sometimes they'll even out.
That makes your damage output completely random unless you're close enough to put the whole blast into someones chestplate.
And even then, chest high cover or someone leaning can cause a chunk of the pellets to miss even though you're dead center.
"Realistic variation" is also a kinda silly thing to want, like you're picking and choosing at that point. A "realistic" shotgun with random spread makes for inconsistent gameplay because no developer will make a shotgun that does "Realistic" damage. I mean any shotgun fired in basically any room in Siege would straight up murder the target.
So you just have a contradiction for the sake of injecting some realism.
Non realistic damage but an imitation of realistic spread just leaves a frustrating coin toss weapon and I don't understand why it's done like this.
If you wanna limit range, just cap the distance the projectile moves to, but make the actual spread something you can consistently land.
"I would've clapped dat Frost cheeks..." Say no more fam you already got me there.
I once got team killed for running smoke shotgun with the April fools skin on. It cost us the match because for the rest of the match he tried to sabotage me
That's just absurd
@@L4ck0Ski11 Yeah, it's good but I was also running the pink cat skin from April fools so they kind of killed me because of that too
Petty as hell. Something similar is happening to me in the past. I don't use skins and I usually run either no camo or elephant and one time doing solo q and they wouldn't stop calling me poor and threw the match.
The angle at 9:04. Imo i think what happens when you hold an angle close like that is some of the shot hits the doorway.
These videos keep getting better and better. Keep it up
I’ve been finding a lot of success recently running Buck. Love using his shotgun and it comes in handy in all types of situations. It’s also super helpful that he has hard breaching charges and allows him to be super versatile
Thanks for all your hard work ❤️
Absolutely love the French shotgun especially on Lion comp that with outback and you got a fun game ahead of you. Also love to use nook shotgun on many maps because you can play her like a buck the gun breaks floors n roof extremely well. 1last really strong shotgun id like to mention is finkas and kapkan shotgun
Yeah, the French defenders best weapon choice usually comes down to
Spawnpeek=mp5
Anchor=shotgun
My friend always runs rook with shotgun. He calls it his "awp dragonlore"
Love your videos, very entertaining and informational. Keep up the good work!!
As a console casual forever pleb I love semi auto shotguns but I’ve always found all shotguns to be inconsistent in range/accuracy/precision with semi auto shotguns like the sasg on finka, ttk is entirely on you and while doc and rooks shotty hit like m1a2 Abrams they don’thave the same range as cavs and thunder birds shotty with that shotgun having the best falloff range woth bucks shotty second in range i would like to see shotguns become more consistent in pellet formation like in apex so shotguns can be less gambley in rank and comp
I think they should make shotgun spray tighter and higher the damage like realistically they are.
I love these kind of videos
Ever since the suppressor lost the damage penalty there's basically zero downside to running a suppressed shotgun if you have the option. The only one which you don't want to run a suppressor on is Ela's shotgun because it has the extended barrel. But for the SASG, Supernova, and TCSG, there's basically zero reason not to run a suppressor. I feel like more shotguns need suppressors.
Multiple times lately my teams been down 0-3 in games and we say fuck it and start using shotguns and end up coming back and winning. The one tap potential is OP.
I’ve been using Hibana shotty for a while now, because its nice to have the Bearing 9 to back you up at longer ranges
The amount of times I've aced with Lion shotgun on solo queue ranked games is just ridiculous. And the reactions you get out of it are simply priceless.
Honestly I never understood why Shotguns don't have a headshot multiplier. I understand they don't want 1 stray pellet killing a dude across a hallway, but why not give them 1.5x so they don't just randomly fail at getting what should be easy kills?
Doing a great job with ur output bro.
Incredible video! 👍👍
7:00 You would be suprised by the amount of Shotgun kills I get as a Smoke/Mute main and the rush strats that involve a Finka Shotgun. But hey, T4 < T2/T3/PRO. Completely different yes, same result, NO!
Our group has been experimenting with the Italian semi auto shotgun when we need a lot of site setup. It’s not as versatile as the automatic primaries, but it’s good enough and let’s you reconfigure a site very fast.
Italian and Kaid's shotgun is different story cuz these weapons has slug bullets which makes them more like DMR, not a shotgun. Btw, me and my group also use'm
you should try tachankas gun as he brings more utility and has a pretty good gun for fights
Lol I’ve been acing on finka shotgun since year 3. Nice to see people catching on at long last
My friend and I run Therminator, where we use Thermite and Thatcher with shotguns (quick play only ofc) and it's super fun to boom open a wall and rush in with them.
i love the pox atheno duo
Got a triple on clubhouse to clutch the round by flanking with bandits shotgun the other day. Team mates were flipping out. Love shotguns when they work.
would like to see discussion around buck shotty as an offensive weapon rather than just making a line of sight, hell, even DMR for long range and shotty for short.
I think the main thing would be to look at the efficiency of making enough vertical lines of sight, holes or perform utility destruction... and compare that to the effectiveness of the shotgun shell on other operators. Buck doesnt do absolutely critical damage with the gadget, and it really should be used to kill those who are low and pushing you close, low and you have a moment to shoot them safely, or whether you use it and hit them for full damage or not
Hey I need to point out before I watch the rest of the video. I tested to confirm, and the laser sight actually helps with ADS shotgun spread as well, at least for the M590 at 10m. I did this on the shooting range on the circular target, lane 1. Dumped about 20 rounds with and without laser, with and without ADS.
As a kaid main I like the tcsg revolver and nitro 90% of time if we need barb ill bring that it's a dmr shotgun so nice 😉
got my first black ice skin, but it was for Ying's shotgun. I'll defiantly try shotguns more
I love playing smoke or valk with shotgun in security on organ because then you lock down the main window, White stairs, and freezer stairs if you play it right
What are your thoughts on ela shotgun?
w video like always
It's always satisfying to get a kill with a shotgun when the enemy just walks through the door to meet you barrel first xD
what do u use to track the stats of both teams?
Pulse shotgun underneath go crazy
One of the guys in my 5 stack only runs shotguns mainly doc and twitch shotgun. It’s a strange thing sometimes he dies due to being outranged and then the next round gets a 4K from aggressive peakers.
I've been running sledge shotgun and rushing first round for about 4 months. It's soo much fun and I've been getting a lot of 4ks but no aces :(
what tracker do you use pox?
Best seige CZcamsr got me into the game again and got me playing smarter 🤓
can you please make a video for team comps. I think a lot of the newer players in this game just choose their favorite operator and ignore the necessities of the team and the site
Lt. Custard discovered the Shotgun Meta a LOOONNNGGG time ago.
I’ve been gold 1-2 almost every season since game release and have always used shotguns but seasons where I was bullied into not using them I’ve had bronze or silver at best it’s depressing how much hate I get for them even when I get too frag 60% of the time with 1.3 kd I think it’s kinda personal I have early onset arthritis and a central nervous disease so I think it also helps that I need to be a little less accurate apart from shotties I usually run dmr or a select few rifles / smgs depends what my team needs
Nokk with her shotty is a flanking machine. Nothing but dubs and if they are sweaty and actually use cams you hit that much harder.
Shotguns go hard and I'm tired of pretending they don't.
I LOVE Goyos shottie
shot guns are awesome,they’re just a lot harder to use but super powerful
Watched this live haha he was not a happy Chappy, great video man funny to see my twitch name though haha
It's not the shotgun, it's the player. No matter how good the meta or strategy may be it's all about the one playing
It ain't what you doing it's how you do it.
Warden with shotgun and smg is such a fun combo
Good vid, always follow your stuff keep it up :)
just before watching this video i aced as oryx using only the spas-12, granted it was unranked but still
honestly i play in console and everyday that my aim is not great i pull out the ol’ reliable spas12 and it always feels amazing
Shotguns are close-range sniper rifles when you hit your shots. If the shot misses, you do no damage and, in contrast to automatic weapons, can't quickly correct it with more bullets in quick.
Bro i wanted to look up flanking spots fpr shotgun cause me and the boys been using only shotgun for like 3 days and before that nobody was picking shotgun, and just today i join into random lobbies and everybody uses shotgun, i think we made it popular again lol cause we dominated with it
After this upcoming update you def wanna start using suppressors on shotguns
i think lion shotgun is meta for rush strats. i mean, if they move you know where they are, if they dont its a free kill, plus you have flashes. oh and the shotty is nuts
And they called me crazy. Now I can laugh to them
I like using pump actions like I'm defending my house from some crooks
Shotguns are always great. Issue is dont expect to get an ace with it thou since the other person will get a hit or two on you. Shotguns are best for:
1. Opening walls with ease wheather thats site setup or soft wall opening.
2. Slugs drain enemys health. Kaids alibi and mastros shotgun people hate on. Personally i choose there smg lmg but kaids shotgun is awesome at 2-3 shotting. Drain there health and boom 1 shot.
3. Makes holds that much harder.
4. Smoke/mute shotgun range is brutal
I enjoy running oryx with the spas
Honestly sledge shotty is very fun because the shotgun almost always downs them, so you can get those BLESSED hammer kills
I think a lot of people don’t understand how good some of the shotguns are because they just don’t use them. A lot of people don’t want to use a gun that they can’t shoot people across the map in the face with which is fair but you also have a pistol you can do that with when you’re using a shotgun. A lot of the shotguns can also kill someone with one shot at 10m which is the average engagement range.
doc shotgun is actually crazy
*Next Video* :Ace with Gonne-6 *NEW META*
This is Lt Custard’s favorite video
Ace and Thermites shotguns are crazy good
what overlay is that? looks better than r6 tracker network tbh
what is that other menu he is pulling up anyone know?
conclusion? run buck
Shotgun on plane is so much fun.
bro I only like suppressors because it makes the gun sound better, I always thought of them as a meme pick but their actually good. LOL!
0:43 thats me in chat PogChamp
I actually love using the shotgun on azami.
Try using reflex sights on them much smaller than that big ass holographic
I know i will sound like an idiot but lasers do affect ads accuracy on shottys, i found it out and confirmed with testing more than a year ago, and tested it again today on the shooting range, hope Poxonlox sees this, want to know his opinion
doc and smoke pumps r pretty good @ 945 was that athenio
Little do they know that this is exactly why I play buck 😂 shorty catch’s people off guard for rushers
What about bosg or alibi shotgun they got range too
Yes thats what im saying thunderbird shotgun insane
Since I’m on console and can’t lean without aiming and tend to click aim as I’m shooting (idk why I do that) I don’t use lasers on my shottys
i main thunderbird with the shotgun its really nice
Are there fully automatic shotguns in Rainbow Six Siege?
In general a shotgun disables more kills than it enables
2:25 This isn't true about the laser sights. Despite their description, laser sights also increase ADS accuracy even though they turn off while ADSing. Always use a laser; ADS when you want it to be invisible. Use a thin frame optic like Reflex B.
Unless they were changed some time in Siege’s history, then lasers don’t turn off when ADSing
@@wombatowo They turn off while ADSing now.
I have a Smurf acc where in team we play only shotgun (no secondary), literally impossible to hit even plat.
I dont know if this is common knowledge or not but for some reason having a laser on a shotgun (or bailiff) will not only make the hip fire more tight but also ads. It seems like a bug because the laser is supposed to help just with the hip fire spread and not ads. But i think its been like this since launch so im not sure
Also, shotguns have a very steep damage dropoff so the extended barrel would be a helpful attachment. But the only shotgun it is available on is elas fo12. Kinda. For some very odd reason, bucks guns barrel attachment actually affects the shotgun as well (makes no sense but its ubisoft were talking about). And bucks c8 has access to the extended barrel. If youre comfortable with the c8 recoil then switching to the extended barrel might not be a bad idea. This also means that if you use a suppressor on buck, the shotgun will do less damage (but wont gain any of the suppressors benefits)
Sad that I didn’t see the bosg:(
I know this guy who will never use a laser saying it makes the gun bad. It makes the shotgun much better. You just need to hide the lazer
If you Play shotgun with Laserpointer you can one hit up to 7m with the gign shotgun and Jägers shotgun
Honestly when I encounter anyone that's just like "Why would you use x" I'm immediately like, nah, if we get rolled here that's purely because my team mates have no mental fortitude what so fucking ever and it's a lesson I learnt literally on my first day in Siege cuz back when I first joined I was like "Ooooh cluster charges through walls? That sounds like something I can experiment with" and then on top of that I was like hey a shield, if other games have taught me anything it's that shooter players just default to factory settings when they see a shield.
So on like my couple first games ever I ran fuze shield on outback and my team died basically on impact and then they hit me with a clutch or kick.
So I clutched by using breaching charges and preset clusters to push people around and make them look at breaches while I swung doors. 4k clutch off the rip
It's so easy to see people just mentally shut off as soon as they see something they consider sub par and it's like "Yeah and you're running what you think is the best op in the game and you died as soon as you jumped in so which one of us is the fucking idiot"
Everything works, the issue people have is just that they change their set up and then play it the exact same way, of fucking course that's not gonna go well, you can't take a shotgun to a rifle fight but if you make someone take a rifle to a shotgun fight, suddenly you have the upper hand.
Best operator with shotgun? Trust me bro it's none other than Recruit... His shotgun is super OP and above all, he has SMG 11 with which i even counter GLAZ and KALI ..
P.S with recruit, u r fearless... He makes you feel pro even if u r trash.... Recruit in my opinion (on defence) is super OP.. I wish attacker Recruit had shotgun and SMG 11 as well but with attacker recruit, i go LMG and super shorty, always gets tight corners with Super Shorty 🔥
What is that different Placar / Tab he has on his game showing all those statistics
R6Analyst
fascinating
I‘d say attack shotgun is strong because no one expects it, imagine sitting in oregon construction and out of nothing the window gets shotgunned
Hey pox when are you gonna stream again
I use shotgun against xim players on Xbox, it works to the point I believe you should only use shotgun for thunderbird because the bearing 9 also shreds, pocket f2
Another thing id like to point out is that if you are running shotguns make sure you ban finka because 90% of shotguns only do anof damage to just kill them or down them if finka is on attack shotguns will not kill them with 1 hit if they are steamed.
How does a laser tighten the spread on a shotgun? Someone explain this to me.
Increases hipfire accuracy, just a game mechanic but yes makes no sense