The Driverless Iron Ore Trains Of Rio Tinto Australia

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  • čas přidán 8. 12. 2022
  • Rio Tinto has spent a lot of money to run their iron ore trains without drivers , watch as these huge trains move the ore without a single person in the cab , also see trains running side by side as they climb the Chichester range , an awesome sight
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  • @ianisaacs2340
    @ianisaacs2340 Před 10 měsíci +20

    As someone who lives in the U.S. it is weird to the point of creepy seeing the locomotives with the windshield blanked out and no one on board. It’s almost as if the locomotives are coming to life.

    • @ShawnCalay-hi6gy
      @ShawnCalay-hi6gy Před 6 měsíci +3

      Those are shades, they use them in Brasil when the sun is shining and it's over 120 degrees ....they are not blanked out

    • @josephcooksley3219
      @josephcooksley3219 Před 13 hodinami

      Did you not know that .... Thomas the Tank Engine without the Belching Steam ...

  • @marioxerxescastelancastro8019

    Very nice to see the trains running perfectly synchronized as far as the eye can see.

  • @1canstuntman
    @1canstuntman Před 10 měsíci +8

    Funny what pops up in my feed.... right now Im typing this at Tea tree camp on the Rio Rail mainline at 176kp. I am part of the construction crew currently replacing turn outs and replacing whole sections of rail and formation arounf the floodway bridges etc. Some of this line is untouched since when it was laid around 40 something years ago so its a "little overdue" for a refit. We work up to 3 meteres from any live track and having these things coming past at up to 80kph was super intimidating at first! Each train is carrying ore worth around 4 million Australian dollars and we see around 30 something a day pass by heading to the port. Great video Ive captured loads of footage myself and will put something together for the huge amounts of people commenting positively on this video. Cheers

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 10 měsíci +3

      Thanks for that , I worked for Rio Tinto for a while back in the nineties on their loco simulators .

    • @MegaPatricklee
      @MegaPatricklee Před 3 měsíci

      Currently in ti tree 😂

  • @OsLuSeMa
    @OsLuSeMa Před rokem +64

    "Río Tinto" ("Red River") is a company that was born in Spain (specifically, in the province of Huelva, in western Andalusia), since the river of said name ("Tinto") carries the colored waters red, due to the copper that is in the place where it is born, and that was exploited by said company until 1954.

    • @CarlosAlberto-ii1li
      @CarlosAlberto-ii1li Před 11 měsíci +1

      I know it well.

    • @martinc.720
      @martinc.720 Před 11 měsíci

      0k

    • @leopardtiger1022
      @leopardtiger1022 Před 11 měsíci +6

      Copper metal cannot be it. It has to copper compound which usually have green colour like copper suphate. Copper ores have green colour blue colour like malachite. If Rio Tonto in span was coloured red then it was because of iron ore like Hematite of Limonite.

    • @BeKindToBirds
      @BeKindToBirds Před 11 měsíci

      @@leopardtiger1022 You are a very knowledgeable bot.

  • @CEO100able
    @CEO100able Před 11 měsíci +68

    Pretty mind-blowing to see autonomous freight trains in Australia! The locomotives look and sound a lot like the ones seen in my home country, the USA. Great catches!
    Greetings from the United States!

    • @reginald2004
      @reginald2004 Před 11 měsíci +14

      GE AC 4400s, pretty standard for NA.

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci +35

      The locos are fully imported from the US , they are the same locos as used there .

    • @Hugo5t1gl1tz
      @Hugo5t1gl1tz Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@johnphillips592 is all of your track the same gauge or just places like this? In other words, could any US train run any AUS track?

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@Hugo5t1gl1tz All states are now connected by standard gauge but we don't have the loading gauge to import U.S. locos , check out studio.czcams.com/users/videoVnwEeyFties/edit for examples of our diesels .

    • @MrWilsonbw
      @MrWilsonbw Před 11 měsíci +6

      Sooner or later we'll be seeing more trains like this in the U.S.

  • @kokobwild2413
    @kokobwild2413 Před 10 měsíci +4

    The fact that corporations spend billions so as they don't have to pay a driver enough to feed a driver and his family is a nauseating.

  • @t3chman_
    @t3chman_ Před 11 měsíci +39

    Truly awesome! Really unique to see parallel trains running like that too. Sounds scary, being driverless, but quite safe in the grand scheme, considering the location and that even with human operators, trains of that size will never stop quickly and they legally have the right-of-way in most if not all countries. Trains are already one of the most routine transports, being on rail and completely controlled by signals when not in yards. Even with a human in the seat, it's quite procedural, something perfect for computers to handle, when you're willing to trust them haha. Even collision detection could be far quicker performed by sensors and a computer (same reason we see it in pretty much all modern cars).
    Thanks for the fantastic video! I'm sure it took quite a bit of effort to get out there :)

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci +3

      Thank you , glad you enjoyed it , yes it was a long trip to get there but worth it .

    • @vijayanchomatil8413
      @vijayanchomatil8413 Před 11 měsíci +3

      I'm guessing that these rail lines are exclusively Rio Tinto so they can have it all automated without any issues. I don't think you would be able to do that on US mainlines.

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci

      @@vijayanchomatil8413 Yes , only Rio Tinto iron ore trains use this line .

    • @RyanHatterer-Ryanns999
      @RyanHatterer-Ryanns999 Před 6 měsíci +1

      I disagree for us here in America, I want a human in the seat. Rio Tinto has very little crossings and what people are track side are workers, a random railfan that's it. This line is perfect for computers to run on, set train length each weighs more or less the same, with no towns. in America our trains are never the same every time. Rio Tinto and a guy on youtube (David Rayner) made great videos how the system works. But for other parts of the world this is not going to work as well, too many variables.

  • @scotabot7826
    @scotabot7826 Před rokem +19

    One of only a few countries where this is possible because of the unihabited open vastness!!

  • @FurryFailure
    @FurryFailure Před 11 měsíci +23

    It's mind blowing how far technology has come, I asked about Autonomous Trains no-less than 4 years ago during an imaginative stupor while writing, I was told by a few people that it was either stupid, impossible, unsafe, and completely unnecessary, while others said it'd be for special types of trains, or for Japan's High-Speed network, yet, here we are automating Iron, in Australia of all places.

    • @strnbrg59
      @strnbrg59 Před 10 měsíci +7

      I don't know why you're impressed. Of all vehicles, a train is the simplest to automate. It moves in a one-dimensional world (vs 2 for automobiles and 3 for airplanes), with guaranteed rights of way.

    • @FurryFailure
      @FurryFailure Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@strnbrg59 Because I really like trains and I think this is cool?

    • @CrabappleKing
      @CrabappleKing Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@FurryFailure driverless trains have been around for decades

    • @unitedrail-mainchannel8991
      @unitedrail-mainchannel8991 Před 8 měsíci

      @@strnbrg59 Just because its the "simplest" doesnt mean its "simple". These are different words. There is still a shit load of programming when it comes to automating trains.

    • @Larynx_the_Changeling
      @Larynx_the_Changeling Před 7 měsíci

      What up, my fellow fur?

  • @butchkaminsky9470
    @butchkaminsky9470 Před 11 měsíci +9

    One bucked rail will suprise that robot! 😮😅

  • @james_shepherd254
    @james_shepherd254 Před 11 měsíci +15

    I watched many train videos for entertainment and to learn about freight trains and railroading in general. I've watched lots and lots of them. I vote the shot from 10:51 to 13:04 the best shot I have ever seen!

  • @andrewblake2254
    @andrewblake2254 Před 11 měsíci +30

    I know a driver up ther who got a six month contract to drive ten years ago "while they did the transition" to remote operation. He is still there driving locos there ten years later.
    I would like to point out that BHP had a runaway train a few years back which had no driver. The accident cost the better part of a billion dollars what with destroyed track, wrecked wagons and locos and most expensive of all a few weeks lost production of iron ore while the line was closed.
    Still all that aside a great video and stunning scenery. These places are really remote and a permit is needed to drive there, truck tyres being essential.

    • @gjlwpl
      @gjlwpl Před 11 měsíci +15

      The driver was off the train checking something and brakes were not set properly due to air fault. Train moved off and with down gradient all the way to coast could not be stopped. It was deliberately derailed.

    • @renniks1975
      @renniks1975 Před 11 měsíci +10

      @@gjlwpl So, in other words, another reason for the automation of the trains

    • @andrewblake2254
      @andrewblake2254 Před 11 měsíci +8

      Not really. Since the driver was inspecting a fault, if the train was unmanned they would still have had to send a crew out by road. This would probably take hours out there. It is not a simple economic equation.

    • @plasot
      @plasot Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@andrewblake2254 Any malfunction on automatic train while en route costs you more money than in train with driver - assuming that driver is skilled enough to repair it by himself. It means that more pressure is put on service crews and more money is spent on maintentance in depot. Same discussions are running in my industry - how much would it cost if crewless ships would brake down in the middle of the ocean?

    • @andrewblake2254
      @andrewblake2254 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Yes at least the onboard driver can do some diagnostic work. And failing that have a walk round to look. @@plasot

  • @bw2442
    @bw2442 Před 11 měsíci +3

    There are so many things a good mechanic knows from feel, smell, touch and hearing that a computer cannot know and dosent have sensors attached to that this is insulting that someone could possibly think this is a good idea or is saving money. Only a corporation could be this greedy and detached from reality.

  • @thomasshepard6030
    @thomasshepard6030 Před 11 měsíci +1

    MAD MAX FEEL ABOUT THIS SET UP

  • @robertcowan9385
    @robertcowan9385 Před rokem +13

    Thanks John, Excellent footage - loved the parallel running too.

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před rokem +5

      Thanks mate , yes lucky to get that , needed to wait five hours to get it though , don't know how many games of Freecell I played while waiting

    • @narkelnaru2710
      @narkelnaru2710 Před 11 měsíci

      @@johnphillips592
      Thank you for taking the trouble on behalf of everyone who has watched and enjoyed the whole reporting. It was lovely.
      You should divide the number of games of Freecell played by the number of people who have watched the video. It think the ratio will _definitely_ be less than one ! ✊🏼🤘🏼🤗

  • @JohnCramer-io7dn
    @JohnCramer-io7dn Před 11 měsíci +5

    Thanks for the upload, it brings back lots of memorys of when i was machining ore car wheels at Port Hedland for Mt Newman mining in the lathe pit, very enjoyable times.

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci

      Thanks , glad it brought back happy memories

    • @batmanlives6456
      @batmanlives6456 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Hi
      I used to work on this rail line back in the 90’s
      Great times
      I could still identify many locations
      Been up and down that track many times
      Thanks for the memories
      I remember when those locos were brand new
      We watched them being unloaded at the dock and taken to seven mile workshops for the bogie installation…
      Cheers

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@batmanlives6456 Thanks , glad it brought back some memories for you .

  • @jobot
    @jobot Před 11 měsíci +4

    These precision side by side shots are amazing. What a unique operation. Thanks for sharing and glad to stumble upon this video.

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci

      Glad you enjoyed it , please check out my other videos some more iron ore trains as well as others , thank you .

  • @richremaks5570
    @richremaks5570 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Great video. As a great man once said ‘People make problem, drone better’

  • @johnnywarbo
    @johnnywarbo Před rokem +22

    Great video John and with all the money they save not paying drivers they could spend some refreshing the paint on their locos as they look appalling. Thanks again for the nice video.

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před rokem +3

      Agreed , some are a bit grotty ,

    • @marioxerxescastelancastro8019
      @marioxerxescastelancastro8019 Před rokem +4

      It is more because of dirt than deterioration of the paint. They should wash the locomotives.

    • @ShortArmOfGod
      @ShortArmOfGod Před 11 měsíci +11

      Because western Australia has people lining up to look at the things.

    • @MilwaukeeF40C
      @MilwaukeeF40C Před 11 měsíci +2

      Pilbara trains have always looked gritty. It is beautiful.

    • @hoofie2002
      @hoofie2002 Před 11 měsíci +3

      The environment is harsh - lots of dust and strong sun. It's not a place tourists go

  • @person.X.
    @person.X. Před 11 měsíci +3

    On our mine we have fully autonomous dump trucks driving all over the place. They are a pain in the arse! 😆 But interesting as more complicated than trains as don't run on rails and have to interact with manned vehicles in a constantly changing environment.

  • @simonallen6427
    @simonallen6427 Před 11 měsíci +33

    I'd be interested to find out how the automated system works and how it avoids failures, collisions etc?

    • @sadiqmohamed681
      @sadiqmohamed681 Před 11 měsíci +11

      This might help. It's a video about the system from Hitachi, and includes shots of the Perth control room - czcams.com/video/Fyeb8AQig3w/video.html - the trains have lots of safety features including collision avoidance and real time video.
      And this is a driver setting up a train at the port to return to the mining area - czcams.com/video/BDbfDUqPm8E/video.html . It seems that the trains run up to the designated mine under full auto, get loaded and return. The only place with real drivers is at the port.

    • @MilwaukeeF40C
      @MilwaukeeF40C Před 11 měsíci +3

      I am sure it is loaded with computerized electronics but it was possible 100 years ago with standard railroad signal track circuits and electromechanical devices.

    • @hoofie2002
      @hoofie2002 Před 11 měsíci +1

      This is an iron ore system and is connected to anything else. No passenger trains so it's easier to automate.

    • @GORT70
      @GORT70 Před 11 měsíci +4

      Avoid failure or collision? They can’t! It would take a few miles to stop, and there’s no way to avoid a breakdown, outside routine maintenance.

  • @justicelut
    @justicelut Před 11 měsíci +4

    The blue lights on the roof of the cab reminds me of the daleks!

  • @ericbleasel5907
    @ericbleasel5907 Před rokem +7

    Miss those days,Rio Tinto and BHPIO,first it was two men then one now none,when you spend so much time in the early days with one other person in the cab you just have to get on with each other,not dissimilar to a marriage.You have done a marvellous job John,i can nearly smell the spinifex.

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před rokem

      Thanks for this great comment Eric much appreciated .

    • @MilwaukeeF40C
      @MilwaukeeF40C Před 11 měsíci

      Did you practice lots of marriage formalities?

    • @ericbleasel5907
      @ericbleasel5907 Před 11 měsíci

      @@MilwaukeeF40C yes had turns cooking and washing up,if things went wrong,hot wheels,bearings,emergency application, the driver did the walking, otherwise possible seperation.

    • @mabamabam
      @mabamabam Před 11 měsíci

      better than smelling the other bloke in the cab

  • @cleenlivin
    @cleenlivin Před 11 měsíci +75

    Pretty amazing to to think a computer program is in charge of these huge ore trains. This takes remote operation of locomotive in switching to a whole different level. I was thinking how could a program take into account the feel and experience of an actual engineer to account for load, track, braking and grades but I guess if you have all these variables (non-variables I guess ) standardized the program can do it’s thing.
    I can definitely see this being a great option for long, non hazardous cargo in not densely populated isolated territory.

    • @dkdanis1340
      @dkdanis1340 Před 10 měsíci +3

      Trains that have ptc (not sure if it's that exact system) are pretty much autonomous. Ptc is something like adaptive cruise control. The train will automatically speed up and slow down, compensate for hills etc.

    • @anotherfreediver3639
      @anotherfreediver3639 Před 10 měsíci +3

      We've had driverless commuter trains on a light railway in London since the mid-1980s I think. I'm amazed that they aren't more widespread, given the continual push to cut costs.

    • @cleenlivin
      @cleenlivin Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@anotherfreediver3639 I’ve heard some commuter rails in USA cities have the capability but the “optics” of having a driver-less train they feel doesn’t go over well with the public. I think many systems use the approach mentioned where a driver sits at the controls as a back-up in case anything goes wrong. Maybe a lifelike mannequin could suffice? 🤔

    • @Quasihamster
      @Quasihamster Před 10 měsíci +1

      Wait til you learn NASA's rocket flew to the Moon with 1960's computers.

    • @cleenlivin
      @cleenlivin Před 9 měsíci

      @@Quasihamster 💩👤 🧌

  • @trailwayt9H337
    @trailwayt9H337 Před rokem +2

    Thankyou mr. John Phillips videos.
    Very different views of passing of two trains running through two railway tracks into one direction in parallel as twins single lines.
    Thankyou for this very good surprise.
    Carry-on your greate efforts.

  • @robyntaylor2101
    @robyntaylor2101 Před rokem +2

    Thank you for sharing this video, it is good to see some green foliage in the landscape as well. I do enjoy the drone footage.

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před rokem

      Thank you Robyn , they have had a lot of rain over there in recent months .

  • @RodgerMcCutcheon
    @RodgerMcCutcheon Před rokem +389

    On a ton per mile bases, the drivers income would be so minimal per ton because of the huge productivity of these huge trains, yet we do away with the driver. We are all doing what we are doing on our amazing planet so that people have work, to feed families and live a reasonable life, but huge corporates do have no regard for that, they say they do, but its just BS. Why not do away with top end executives on huge incomes, and keep the frontline team employed and everyone benefits along the way.

    • @j.m.youngquist419
      @j.m.youngquist419 Před rokem +20

      Here Here !

    • @Jabba.Da.Hutt_
      @Jabba.Da.Hutt_ Před rokem +21

      You’re 💯 correct

    • @marioxerxescastelancastro8019
      @marioxerxescastelancastro8019 Před rokem +43

      It is not railways’ obligation to give money to people for doing things that are not needed.

    • @Waylo2k16
      @Waylo2k16 Před rokem +29

      @@marioxerxescastelancastro8019 so,, driving a train,, is unnecessary?

    • @Tivis7
      @Tivis7 Před rokem +23

      Pretty much, though to be fair automation would allow us to work on other things. This is why everyone should be given a base pay to live, without the costly cancer that is the owners and execs. Machines do our work, and we all live better (but only if we get rid of the top).

  • @charleschihope7322
    @charleschihope7322 Před 11 měsíci +1

    This is a good show, driverless, thats very good. Keep it up.

  • @vancepomerening4794
    @vancepomerening4794 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Outstanding video. Thanks.

  • @jeffcurtis5460
    @jeffcurtis5460 Před 10 měsíci

    Excellent drone work, Mr. Phillips! Beautiful dramatic shots.

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Thanks Jeff , it was a long way to get there but worth the effort .

  • @utube321piotr
    @utube321piotr Před 10 měsíci +2

    Mighty impressive technical feat. Thanks for sharing, I had no idea of this.

  • @oriontheraptor8119
    @oriontheraptor8119 Před 11 měsíci +5

    as long as there is a balance between automation and manned work then I don’t see a problem
    The problem I have with automation is when company’s abuse it to kick out the middle guy to save a few extra coins

  • @paulflak2823
    @paulflak2823 Před 11 měsíci +24

    This level of Tech can now been seen in the ELK Valley in British Columbia, thanks to CP Rail cutting jobs while increasing the hazards to the general public. The sensors may give the remote operator all of the real time data about the train's operation, but not the forest and grass fires that are started by the trains, something that a pair of mark 1 eyes balls do from the cab.

    • @Mikishots
      @Mikishots Před 11 měsíci +1

      There is no "remote operator" in this level of tech. It's remotely monitored, in this case 1500 miles away. Night and day difference.

    • @paulm1365
      @paulm1365 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Good luck trying to find a forest in that part of Australia.

    • @thegenericguy8309
      @thegenericguy8309 Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@Mikishots Yeah it's kind of hard to see something go wrong with the train by eye from 1500 miles away. but hey, as long as it hurts the rail unions it's worth it (assuming you're a rail exec)

    • @richardhasler6718
      @richardhasler6718 Před 11 měsíci +3

      Well I think it would be unlikely that a driver of such a train could witness a spark flying from a 500 ft train, landing in some grass and smouldering into a fire, while driving a train at the same time but perhaps the Canadian train drivers have superior vision. In the UK. it's just a relief when the drivers are actually in the train and not on strike.

    • @paulm1365
      @paulm1365 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@richardhasler6718 those trains average about 2.4km in length with the record being 7.3km. A human driver can’t even see the end of the train they are driving. And even if they see an obstruction on the rail ahead of them they can’t stop in time. Hence the dependence on remote sensors - which can be monitored 1,500 miles away from the Pilbara in a central facility in Perth.

  • @j.m.youngquist419
    @j.m.youngquist419 Před rokem +8

    Over here in the U.S. we refer to them as engineers

  • @OMG-tq8ty
    @OMG-tq8ty Před 9 měsíci

    Fantastic. Feast for the eyes. I like it. Thanks for the efforts.

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 9 měsíci

      Thanks for your kind comment , glad you enjoyed it .

  • @Kymthomo6
    @Kymthomo6 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Great photography. Well done.

  • @allwelcome7624
    @allwelcome7624 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Just watched your video, very well done and informative. It used to be empowering to see a person in charge of all that machinery and to think of what people are capable of. This makes people servants to the machines, fueling and repairing them as needed. Until they can work out how to do that also.

  • @roadtrain_
    @roadtrain_ Před 11 měsíci +3

    This is every factorio player's biggest dream or worst nightmare.

  • @metalinmotion
    @metalinmotion Před rokem +1

    That was a great video John!

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před rokem

      Thanks for that , enjoyed making it and glad you enjoyed it

  • @4n2earth22
    @4n2earth22 Před 11 měsíci +14

    Sounds like the rails were freshly ground in most of those shots.
    Cool stuff!
    On long runs like that, the biggest hazard is boredom and sensory hypnosis. I have witnessed napping engineers more than once. I gave up the ass callouses many years ago for less boring, dangerous and terrifying jobs. Ever been in a train wreck? I have, several. They are really loud.

    • @OregonCrow
      @OregonCrow Před 11 měsíci +1

      you done?

    • @tylerrose5232
      @tylerrose5232 Před 11 měsíci

      @@OregonCrowno

    • @Shaggy.242
      @Shaggy.242 Před 6 měsíci

      I worked on the two perma nent line camps and just to see the rail grinder at work during the night in winter with ahalf moon was mind blowing, i called the scene the lonely Dragon serpent, the pilbara has always been a magical place for me.

  • @dunodisko2217
    @dunodisko2217 Před 10 měsíci +1

    My factorio senses are tingling

  • @tvm73836
    @tvm73836 Před 11 měsíci +8

    I am the director of operations at Rio Tinto Australia and I can assure you that while this video is genuine the captions are completely misleading. Our trains have one of the best safety records anywhere in the world, including Japan. And if you consider the tonnage we are the #1 in the world. In our country, it is completely illegal to operate trains without an operator. All of these have 2 operators functioning in a fail-safe mode. Further more, these locomotives also have dual and triple redundant controls.

    • @johnfenn
      @johnfenn Před 11 měsíci

      What does that mean? Where are the dirivers? Are they in Perth? Or are they on the train? Or are the working from home?

    • @3sierra15
      @3sierra15 Před 6 měsíci

      If the trains have operators, why are the insides of the windshields covered?

    • @voidjavelin23
      @voidjavelin23 Před měsícem

      ​@@3sierra15 its a literal shade that protects from the outback scrotching sun

    • @voidjavelin23
      @voidjavelin23 Před měsícem

      ​​@@johnfenn yes there is a control facillity where these trains are controlled

  • @walter9724
    @walter9724 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Ive flown my drone over the tain ans had gotten some aweome videos and photos. When i drove darwin to cairns i had left my car unattended for 5 mins. And in that time my drone and camera that were on the back seat were stolen. If i ever see my videos uploaded onto youtube ill be going after whoever uploaded them.

  • @danlowe8684
    @danlowe8684 Před 11 měsíci +4

    As a lad (1970's), my neighbor that worked in the Northern MN (USA) iron ore mines told me he ran the trains in the mine area with a remote control that was housed in a backpack he wore. I didn't believe him...

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci +3

      Nice one , reminds me of the cane trains in Queensland shunting by the driver on the ground with a remote control

    • @buffalobob7172
      @buffalobob7172 Před 11 měsíci +3

      He was right I worked at a RR USSteel I started in 1973 by late 70’s early 80’s off come the backpack a box about 10 to 12 inches wide to 4 inches deep 4 inches tall placed on a belt rite in front of your belly he would stand on the ground and could see some lights on one of the four corners of the engine and the roe of different colors lights would tell him what the engine was about to do stop,reverse,forward or pumping air. He would throw switches and sometimes he would have another person on the other end of train with a radio telling him what to do

    • @danlowe8684
      @danlowe8684 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@buffalobob7172 Thank you for the info!!!

  • @ndavid42
    @ndavid42 Před 10 měsíci +2

    "driverless trains are not so friendly" :'))

  • @andrewblake2254
    @andrewblake2254 Před 11 měsíci +4

    These trains have bankers to get them over the hills so they can then roll down to the coast. These are manned as I know a driver. He tells me that these "unmanned" trains often carry a driver even if they are controlled remotely.

    • @ShawnCalay-hi6gy
      @ShawnCalay-hi6gy Před 6 měsíci

      Wrong, the driver sets everything up at the mine....he dismounts about a minute before the train departs

  • @TrainsOnGoPro
    @TrainsOnGoPro Před 11 měsíci

    Awesome Video!

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci +2

      Thanks , glad you enjoyed it as much as I did making it .

  • @frankherrick1892
    @frankherrick1892 Před 11 měsíci

    Looking forward to visiting Australia and meeting my relations in Campbelltown NSW.

  • @mccoy79productions66
    @mccoy79productions66 Před 10 měsíci +1

    cool video!

  • @scottstocking6935
    @scottstocking6935 Před 11 měsíci +5

    INTRAMOTIV in St Louis, MO is currently working on autonomous self powered rail cars. The cars are battery powered and when connected together in a train they all work together forming a "locomotiveless" train. Still in development but targeting this very market.

  • @FrogandFlangeVideo
    @FrogandFlangeVideo Před 11 měsíci

    Fantastic footage there, John. Loved it. James.

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Thanks James , glad you enjoyed the footage , cheers

    • @FrogandFlangeVideo
      @FrogandFlangeVideo Před 11 měsíci

      @@johnphillips592 Hi John. Did you travel to Australia specifically in order to film the ore trains ? Absolutely loved the aerials. James.

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci

      @@FrogandFlangeVideo I live in Melbourne and was on a caravan trip around Australia , have visited there several times before , my first CZcams video was on these trains

    • @FrogandFlangeVideo
      @FrogandFlangeVideo Před 11 měsíci

      @@johnphillips592 My brother referred your video to me. Coincidentally I had just weekes ago did a little dive into the rail action in the Pilbara, Cool stuff happening ther. Thanks John. James.

  • @tonyromano6220
    @tonyromano6220 Před 10 měsíci

    Looks hot AF! What beautiful country.
    12:38 amazing!

  • @xbgtfella
    @xbgtfella Před měsícem

    I remember in NZ on the seventies NZ Railways instituted the use of radios in shunt operations and the union furore that followed. On a lengthy goods train at the marshalling yard suddenly a ground shunt staff of 3 or 4 replaced by 1 guy with a radio. But that's just the start. Next it was single man train crews losing the loco assistant. Elimination of the rear guards van staff (read caboose) And then lose of the single ground shunt man when the driver escaped the shunt loco controls for a remote hand set on the ground. Bring back memories people's? That's how big business rolls with the how can we squeeze the last ounce from that bottom dollar. Chime in peeps from around
    the world..

  • @brucelamberton8819
    @brucelamberton8819 Před 11 měsíci

    Now that's some loooong trains!

  • @tractorsmachinesro1405
    @tractorsmachinesro1405 Před 9 měsíci

    Great work 💖💖

  • @brucewhite4422
    @brucewhite4422 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Amount of money these companies make suppling a few drivers some jobs would be the right thing to do

  • @dereksmallsuk
    @dereksmallsuk Před rokem +4

    Great to see train drivers being unemployed and obsolete!! Well done corporate agendas!!

    • @ednorton47
      @ednorton47 Před 11 měsíci

      They can always learn to code.

  • @ALien851
    @ALien851 Před 11 měsíci

    Good morning Good afternoon Good night.
    Gained another follower here in Brazil.
    Your videos are fantastic, very beautiful places.
    Congratulations.
    Hugs.
    Cesar

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Hello Cesar , thank you , glad you enjoy my videos and thanks for the comment .

  • @froz3nmindz124
    @froz3nmindz124 Před 11 měsíci +15

    Very interesting.
    In case of an accident, how do they get the thing to stop? Do they have sensors that will go off if they detect an impact?

    • @Mechknight73
      @Mechknight73 Před 11 měsíci +3

      My understanding is that there is a human supervisor watching them for the whole trip. They can do an emergency stop remotely from a Perth control centre

    • @ianmontgomery7534
      @ianmontgomery7534 Před 11 měsíci +4

      @@Mechknight73 Yes - they are driven by humans its just that they are not located in the cabin.

    • @jkardez4794
      @jkardez4794 Před 11 měsíci

      No doubt that they can stop that train remotely. But if something is going wrong and building up to a potential accident how would they know apart from continous surveillance by camera all along the length of the train .

    • @davidrayner9832
      @davidrayner9832 Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@ianmontgomery7534 No, they are not driven by humans in Perth. The train controller does nothing more than they used to - operate the signals to tell the train (was once the driver, now the train) when to start and stop. Based on the signals, the train drives itself. Eg; If the signal 20kms ahead is at stop, a driver can choose to keep going at full speed, stop at the signal, and wait for it to clear or he can slow down now and if the signal has cleared before he gets there he won't have to stop, or he can stop anywhere between here and there (say, on a downhill grade rather than the uphill grade the signal is on to make starting off easier) and wait for it to clear (I say 'signal' but it's all in the cab so yes, you can see a signal that's 20 kms away). The train controller nor the program that runs the train can't do that. All the controller can do is set the signal to stop and the train will continue at track speed until it gets to where braking would normally occur to stop at that signal.

    • @davidrayner9832
      @davidrayner9832 Před 11 měsíci +6

      @@jkardez4794 They don't. No one is looking at the view from the camera. The only time they do is when an impact sensor on the loco alarms so they look to see what the train has hit (usually a cow) but whatever it was, they only see it after the event and then decide whether or not to stop the train. There was a time around 2016 while they were still testing it that a driver of an empty train rolling down the hill towards where the Robe train was filmed noticed that a man who had obviously decided to kill himself had laid his neck across the track. The driver slammed on the brakes and stopped before he cut the man's head off but had that been an AutoHaul train, no one would've known until the driver of a Robe train (still manned to this day because Robe will not spend the money to AutoHaul their track) came along and then only if it was daylight.

  • @JimNichols
    @JimNichols Před 11 měsíci

    I wonder if they are running Cattron or Control Chief systems? I worked on installs for Cattron and was a CMO for years with short line rail. Them 2% grades are making those ladies sweat a little :) I am so fortunate to have been a composite mechanic and a working CMO for the years I did that and I am so fortunate to not do it still, I miss it but it was some hard work.
    Thanks for the vids bro, made me smile and have good memories!

  • @artmchugh5644
    @artmchugh5644 Před 11 měsíci +2

    What have I become???? Watching videos of unmand LOOOOOOONG ASS trains in the outback!!! 😊😊😊😊😊😊 I need to get a grip!!

  • @j.m.youngquist419
    @j.m.youngquist419 Před rokem

    Great camera skills

  • @susie154
    @susie154 Před 11 měsíci

    WOW that's a heavy haul !!

  • @tonymckeage1028
    @tonymckeage1028 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Great Video, I know this area is isolated, but surely there are some risks to people and property with driverless trains, thanks for sharing

    • @margarita8442
      @margarita8442 Před 11 měsíci

      yes

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci +6

      Driver or not , if you get in the way of these trains they wont stop in a hurry .

    • @steveanderson9290
      @steveanderson9290 Před 11 měsíci +1

      I suspect that having a hazardous encounter with a driverless train is way, way, down on the list of things that can kill you in that locale.

  • @AndreiTupolev
    @AndreiTupolev Před 10 měsíci +3

    Absolutely insane. Suppose there's an obstruction on the track? One of those old GE clunkers catches fire? How long until a Rapid Response Team could get out to it?

  • @patrickbryant5224
    @patrickbryant5224 Před rokem +3

    Driverless ore trains! Fascinating!

  • @dogyerf21
    @dogyerf21 Před 11 měsíci

    What is the fumoth verses the singfolding? How many kibbards would it take on any special jack time for us?

  • @Occasion77
    @Occasion77 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Quick question - at about 13:00 mark you can see what looks like rail that is laid inside of the actual rail the trains are running on - is that some sort of derail prevention? Thanks and great video!

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci +1

      That is new rail ready to be installed on the curve

  • @bainsworth8853
    @bainsworth8853 Před 7 měsíci +1

    you have double empty tracts, latch and pull side cea siding to siding

  • @magikjoe3789
    @magikjoe3789 Před 9 měsíci

    If Francis Bourgeois were trackside his reaction may well bring about the end of life on this planet 😂

  • @Maadhawk
    @Maadhawk Před 11 měsíci +1

    Their logistics division must all play Factorio.

  • @VerilyVerbatim
    @VerilyVerbatim Před 11 měsíci +2

    7:48 Two very long trains, just sitting there for 5 hours, because Rio Tinto thinks somehow that this is cheaper? That's 5 lost hours, for each train... but with people in control, they could have called ahead, at least to find out if they can move under caution? Also - people can predict and react to the unexpected - computers can only respond if what has happened is in the programming, to begin with?

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci +1

      In this case no, they were replacing a bridge girder just up the track , no trains could get through

  • @eetuandersson4229
    @eetuandersson4229 Před 10 měsíci +1

    There goes the driver

  • @bain5872
    @bain5872 Před 11 měsíci

    In America, there is no iron mining. There is refining as there is more than we need. I can only guess that this ore is going to the ones who need it, China. Amazing footage. Thanks for sharing it. I truly enjoyed it.

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci +2

      Thanks , glad you enjoyed it , yes , most of the iron ore is shipped overseas .

    • @t3chman_
      @t3chman_ Před 11 měsíci +1

      That's not true, though iron mining is certainly waning in the US with mines continuing to shutdown (this has been the pattern with every type of ore). But there are still a handful in operation, producing millions of tons annually. Not just refining, but actual mining. Though there are also reclamation efforts from tailings, that might be what you're referring to.

  • @bainsworth8853
    @bainsworth8853 Před 7 měsíci +1

    that same train could have pulled both of those lines

  • @nathanmurphy5
    @nathanmurphy5 Před rokem

    Great footage. Would love to head up there one day. At 11:35, was that a Rio Tinto bloke telling you off?

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před rokem +2

      Yes , he didn't like me parking where I did but he was quite friendly about it, and you will notice I went back there again later but parked in a different place

  • @ThePaulv12
    @ThePaulv12 Před rokem +5

    That was fun. I wonder why they sat there for 5 hours with the engines running? Perhaps they could've aired up the consist 45 mins before departure or switched off two engines and left one engine running to maintain brake pipe pressure. I dunno seems like a waste of fuel but who am I but a CZcams nobody with just another opinion?

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před rokem +2

      I thought the same , maybe something to do with keeping the air up , they have no one to put the hand brakes on .

    • @RyanHatterer-Ryanns999
      @RyanHatterer-Ryanns999 Před rokem +6

      @@johnphillips592 The lead locomotive is the one responsible for the air brakes, both in controlling them and building air. The second two are only there to assist in power and braking. Now it might be different in autohaul but I doubt it. I don't know if these are setup with auto start/stop systems on them I would guess yes. They would shutdown base on water temp air temp etc. The problem I see with that and this might be the reason why they are left running is Autohaul can't predict when they will be on the move again, some guy or girl clicks start on the computer at the dispatch office and the train goes, so there be no time to start the second two. From what I have seen the engines are setup to go at any moment. If you list to the clips in your video John like at 5:25 these ES44DCi's are not in low idle (happens when you put the reverser in neutral to save fuel and start the auto start/stop system) they are in high idle ready to go. at 15:20 when the sun is shirring through the cab and no one is in it that to me... just scary reminds me of the movie Unstoppable.

  • @lenphil9875
    @lenphil9875 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Spent billions to avoid paying a driver thousands. Yep.

    • @hoofie2002
      @hoofie2002 Před 11 měsíci

      Driver salary is us$100k a year plus cost of flights and accommodation Rio pay for

  • @RanexzProductions
    @RanexzProductions Před 11 měsíci +1

    oh that's why the train for me is upside down

  • @greatnorthernrailwaytother4711

    Great footage John, are they running DCC 😂, thanks. Peter.

  • @timvandiepen8373
    @timvandiepen8373 Před rokem +1

    Cool

  • @happyjoyjoy6976
    @happyjoyjoy6976 Před 9 měsíci +2

    amazing what pops up in your Yt feed, i had no idea these existed. greetings from the insane asylum formerly known as Queensland.

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Thanks , glad you enjoyed it , feel free to view more of my videos

  • @ReinaldoRauch
    @ReinaldoRauch Před 9 měsíci

    There is more explanation on how this system works?

  • @bainsworth8853
    @bainsworth8853 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Question, How many coal cars doesit take to have the equivalant amount of metal to buuild one outback?

  • @robo113603
    @robo113603 Před 11 měsíci +2

    They will continue with driverless locos, till there's a runaway train, or a computer stuffs up, so where's the SAFETY factor in all this

  • @rossmailman1439
    @rossmailman1439 Před 3 měsíci

    What happes if the locos suddenly run amuck i know i worked with remote locos when they go rouge watch out and they do

  • @robbie8466
    @robbie8466 Před 11 měsíci

    Amazing video! Could be a scene from a J. G. Ballard story

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Thanks , glad you enjoyed it .

    • @robbie8466
      @robbie8466 Před 11 měsíci

      @@johnphillips592 subscribed :)

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci

      @@robbie8466 Thanks for that , much appreciated , please feel free to check out my other videos

  • @jimcrawford5039
    @jimcrawford5039 Před 11 měsíci

    Looks like it’s been wet up there but I suppose everywhere has had good rains the last couple of years. Not for much longer!

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci

      Yes when this was filmed last year there had been a lot of rain in the region

  • @TacticalGamingNetwork
    @TacticalGamingNetwork Před 10 měsíci

    computers really do be takin jobs

  • @Guillotines_For_Globalists
    @Guillotines_For_Globalists Před 11 měsíci +1

    How does the train sense an obstruction on the tracks, human, animal, vehicle, machinery, or other debris?

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 11 měsíci +1

      There are cameras on the locos that are monitored from the control room but these trains are heavy and don't stop easily , maned or not .

  • @rossfincham6948
    @rossfincham6948 Před 11 měsíci +2

    doesn't matter if someone steps in front of it, it couldn't stop anyway....

  • @49adriana
    @49adriana Před 15 dny

    excelente

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před 12 dny

      Thanks , glad you enjoyed it , thanks for the comment .

  • @brianmorris8045
    @brianmorris8045 Před 10 měsíci +1

    The diesels could do with a bit of a paint job, even if they are in the outback a lot.

  • @ohnoohyeah3205
    @ohnoohyeah3205 Před 10 měsíci +1

    SkyNet is here.

  • @franzbrunner499
    @franzbrunner499 Před rokem +2

    once a train is loaded and ready to go, who initializes the loco to start moving? control center like with a drone?

    • @johnphillips592
      @johnphillips592  Před rokem +4

      It is set to auto by an employee on the ground then the control centre in Perth takes over .

    • @Highland_Moo
      @Highland_Moo Před rokem +5

      David Rayner has a video showing how it’s done - he’s obviously one of the drivers or was one. He set it all up, locked the loco cab, radioed up the control folks and they sent the train on its merry little way. Unto about half an hour ago I had no idea such a system existed - I’m from Scotland and we have nothing similar. It’s amazing to see such a massive train trundle away on its own!

    • @davidrayner9832
      @davidrayner9832 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Highland_Moo Yes, I retired in Dec 2019 after 10 years at Cape Lambert. BTW, I was in Scotland in 2018 went the system went 'live'. Absolutely beautiful place. On my last shift before I went, I drove a train from Tom Price to Cape Lambert and when I came back 6 weeks later, I was told I'd never go there again and I didn't. Spent my final year in the yard and on the Robe line. At least we at Cape Lambert had the Robe line. No other depot still drives on the main line at all. Very sad.

  • @TristanMorrow
    @TristanMorrow Před 11 měsíci +2

    Don't show this to members of any of the railroad workers labor unions in North America who think that this train should have 3 or 4 crew if it was in the United States lol

  • @dirk013adfa
    @dirk013adfa Před 11 měsíci +1

    How in the ____ did this end up in my algorithm???

  • @Gfysimpletons
    @Gfysimpletons Před rokem +3

    So half of a hopper would be the engineers pay for the day? Week?
    Help me understand why man insists on destroying other men for profit.

  • @danielgouws1470
    @danielgouws1470 Před 11 měsíci +1

    What is going to happen if there is know satellite working

  • @bencordell1965
    @bencordell1965 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Is there any vehicle easier to automate