I remember my friends and I going to see both Mortal Thoughts & Out For Justice in the theater. I was 17 and Mortal Thoughts was the first film directed by Alan Rudolph that I actually liked as for Out For Justice, I thought it was Steven's best film. I haven't seen either one, all the way through, since!
@@Jbaxter85 Out for Justice was lame in regards to how difficult Richie (William Forsythe) was to find lol. At one point, Seagal takes the time to ask about 15 guys at a bar where Richie is. And then proceeds to kick all of their asses. “Anybody seen Richieeee???”.
Loved the David Lean tribute, he was one of the all-time greats. Not sure how Gene liked Out for Justice when he would often give a thumbs down to a film because of it's violence; Taxi Driver being one example.
I think Siskel calls Out For Justice dead right. It's a fantastic piece of entertainment, the best thing Seagal ever did, and up there with Road House, Hard Target and The Last Boy Scout in the pantheon of great funny/violent action films.
Never understood the hate for Seagal. I prefer a fraud who makes Good action movies. Than someone legitimate who makes shit movies. Seagal has a much better catalog of movies. (Especially his first 5 films) than Van Damm, Norris or even Bruce Lee.
My review 0:00 Moral Thoughts 👍🌟🌟🌟 2:23 Impromptu 👍🌟🌟🌟 4:38 Out For Justice 👎🌟🌟 8:45 Journey of Hope 👍🌟🌟🌟 Tribute to British filmmaker David Lean (1908-1991) 12:13 (1946) Great Expectations 13:13 (1946) Brief Encounter 13:24 (1955) Summertime 13:36 (1957) The Bridge on the River Kwai 13:55 (1962) Lawrence of Arabia 14:35 (1985) A Passage to India 15:02 (1965) Doctor Zhivago Home Video 16:41 Cooley High (1975) 17:31 The reviews
I'm actually surprised that there was one promotional consideration at the end of the show since they mostly have 3 or 4 of them. I wonder if there was a show where they didn't have any promotional considerations at all and just cut to the end credits.
@@matthewschwartz6607 hard to kill yes, both gave it thumbs 👎 Roger hated the one too many chase scenes & Gene didn’t like Kelly LeBrock he admitted she wasn’t ready to play at the level of being in an action film.
I just watched Mortal Thoughts based on their review (I'd somehow never heard of it). Nothing about the acting or direction elevated it above a made-for-TV movie. Aside from the cursing, it didn't have the feel of a feature film at all. But I'll admit I enjoyed the pulpy story, and the two leads played off each other well. And Willis played his character like "David Addison as a violent rapist", in case that interests anyone reading this.
Out for justice was and is entertaining. Not great, but some action fun. I am amazed that Gene liked it. Out for justice, Above the law and Under siege are the movies to go to of Seagal.
I have been wanting to see the Out for Justice review. I read somewhere the directions of their thumbs and was wondering why Gene voted Thumbs Up. Hearing now his arguments, he only liked Seagal. I’m with Roger. The fight scenes are routine and choreographed, the plot is piecemeal, Seagal’s Brooklyn accent is wanting at best, and Roger’s point about it taking Seagal all day to find Richie is a good one. Richie kills people in broad daylight, and walks and drives freely around Brooklyn and is never caught. Give me a break. Roger left out the part where Seagal arrests Richie’s sister for no apparent reason. Also the mafia subplot is awful. There is another plot involving his estrangement from his wife and all he does is tell her a story from his childhood that yields an unearned reconciliation, as if we care and we don’t. And payoff gag to all this is a groin kick to a guy who throws a puppy out of a car window in a garbage bag earlier in the film. 👎🏾 1.5/4
I couldn't agree with you more on your critique. Out for Justice is easily one of the worst films of 1991. Reason being for the film was its incomprehensible screenplay by David Lee Henry; he seems to underline the crimes in Brooklyn like as if every cop are on strike for whatever situation they're in with their local precinct. It fails even more that the Mafia sub-plot had absolutely nothing to do with the fact Bobby Lupo was gunned down in broad daylight, in front of his terrified family; I think the Mafia were as soft-minded as socially rejected school nerds. And talk about the fight choreography, it looked very uninteresting to watch. Watching every violent scene becomes lethargic to sit through, like nothing brutal is going to happen. Even if the uncut NC-17 version contained more violence, it wouldn't make a difference at all. It's one of those films that postulates crime can be solved through a one man army, when the police already got Richie dead on their sights, whereas Gino was functionally inept on hunting him down with excessive force. I give Out for Justice 1/2 a star out of 4. 👎
@@toymanreturns546 It makes me wonder if Gino was put on administrative leave pending an Internal Affairs investigation. That’s another issue I had. Gino is not a likable character at all. All the damage he does tells me he wasn’t interested in avenging his partner’s murder, he was using his badge as a prop, an excuse to pillage with no questions asked
That's right, Gino had a tendency to vent his frustration because Brooklyn is rippled with crime on a daily and nightly basis. He literally tries his best to clean out the trash, with hilarious results. Knowing he had nothing to lose when he's likely to be sacked from the police force, all Gino could do is yell, knock out and shoot anyone who in some part, they have no connection to Ritchie whatsoever. And you talk about the sub-plot where some right-wing religious zealot who put a dog in a garbage bag and is left to die, I say that was gratuitous at best. Why on Earth would that be added to the script? And how could anyone ever take light into that out of context scenario, for audiences to be entertained by that? It appears the screenwriter was mentally bankrupt of one action scene to another, so that attempted suffocation of the dog could mean something useful to audiences.
@@toymanreturns546 and didn’t it seem like the film was choppy in terms of the plot developments? When the movie airs on basic cable there is an additional scene with Bobby’s wife and Gino’s wife at Bobby’s wife’s home of them talking. Suddenly Richie breaks in and comes this close to killing them. That is never followed up on
I've not seen anything as stupid as Gino and his wife running from Ritchie's cohorts to shoot them down, so the investigation over Bobby's death could come to a grinding halt. You would think that someone with half a brain in the film would've used a silencer to shoot them both in the head, but leaving the child unharmed but traumatised over the deaths of Gino and his wife - then the stupidity of Gino's behavior as a cop would finally come to an end. Heck, Ritchie would be celebrating without interruption from the NYPD, before potentially progressing from a local drug kingpin, to a feared kingpin who could make international deals in Colombia, Cuba and possibly Vietnam in terms of drugs and weaponry. If that was the case in various re-writes to satisfy the studio hierarchy, then three-quarters of the NYPD would turn on the law enforcement in order to favor the rising star of international drug trading. But somehow Ritchie's men were so dismally executed as potential killers of Gino, none of them knew the trajectory of shooting the target. Even the last man standing in Gino's apartment was doomed to fail from the first frame of the shooting sequence.
Gene was way ahead of the time with his Steven Seagal review. Doesn’t like his interviews or real life persona. But his movies are entertaining as hell.
I am convinced that "Out for Justice" was secretly a guilty pleasure for Roger, but wanted to be professional and not just go with how ridiculous it is 😂
Did William Forsythe put on weight for that role or was he just fat at that time? I don't recall him looking that chubby in his other films over his career
The way Gene whispers “Frederic Chopin” at 2:49 made me lol
I love David Lean’s 1946 version of Great Expectations. I saw it way back in high school in the Seventies. It holds up very, very well.
Out for Justice should have won an Oscar.
Great review by both of them on "Out for Justice." Although Siskel is right. It is a thumbs up.
I liked the tribute segment on David Lean.
I remember my friends and I going to see both Mortal Thoughts & Out For Justice in the theater. I was 17 and Mortal Thoughts was the first film directed by Alan Rudolph that I actually liked as for Out For Justice, I thought it was Steven's best film. I haven't seen either one, all the way through, since!
LOL, Out for Justice is awesome and Mortal Thoughts is an underrated gem.
Out For Justice is Seagal's best movie.
I’d say Under Siege
I like above the law, under seige 1&2 & Marked for death but not out for justice.
@@Jbaxter85 Out for Justice was lame in regards to how difficult Richie (William Forsythe) was to find lol. At one point, Seagal takes the time to ask about 15 guys at a bar where Richie is. And then proceeds to kick all of their asses. “Anybody seen Richieeee???”.
@@Jbaxter85 Above the Law and Maked For Dead are alright. I never dug either Under Siege. For my money Out For Justice is his most entertaining movie.
Nico
I think Out for Justice, despite all the bad things Seagal did while shooting, is one of the best 90s action thrillers
R.I.P. Glenn Headley.
Underrated gem of a woman.
@@MrBoyYankee Yup.
Very overlooked actress. She , too me, was always spot on.
She’s amazing in this and everything else!
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Loved the David Lean tribute, he was one of the all-time greats. Not sure how Gene liked Out for Justice when he would often give a thumbs down to a film because of it's violence; Taxi Driver being one example.
Out for justice hits some Scarface notes with Will Forsythe !!
My dad hated Out for Justice just as much as Roger Ebert did. They had the same taste in movies.
I think Siskel calls Out For Justice dead right. It's a fantastic piece of entertainment, the best thing Seagal ever did, and up there with Road House, Hard Target and The Last Boy Scout in the pantheon of great funny/violent action films.
Never understood the hate for Seagal. I prefer a fraud who makes Good action movies. Than someone legitimate who makes shit movies. Seagal has a much better catalog of movies. (Especially his first 5 films) than Van Damm, Norris or even Bruce Lee.
@@kevinfinnerty8414 I never liked him because he strikes me has a huge narcissist. He's basically the Gene Simmons of action movies.
My review
0:00 Moral Thoughts 👍🌟🌟🌟
2:23 Impromptu 👍🌟🌟🌟
4:38 Out For Justice 👎🌟🌟
8:45 Journey of Hope 👍🌟🌟🌟
Tribute to British filmmaker David Lean (1908-1991)
12:13 (1946) Great Expectations
13:13 (1946) Brief Encounter
13:24 (1955) Summertime
13:36 (1957) The Bridge on the River Kwai
13:55 (1962) Lawrence of Arabia
14:35 (1985) A Passage to India
15:02 (1965) Doctor Zhivago
Home Video
16:41 Cooley High (1975)
17:31 The reviews
I'm actually surprised that there was one promotional consideration at the end of the show since they mostly have 3 or 4 of them. I wonder if there was a show where they didn't have any promotional considerations at all and just cut to the end credits.
Can’t believe Gene liked Out for Justice just cuz of Steven Seagal. I liked the violence but a lot of the scenes went way over the top.
I agree
Did they review Marked For Death or Hard To Kill?
@@matthewschwartz6607 hard to kill yes, both gave it thumbs 👎 Roger hated the one too many chase scenes & Gene didn’t like Kelly LeBrock he admitted she wasn’t ready to play at the level of being in an action film.
Robert Ebert was a savage when it came to movies that he didn’t like. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
❤
I just watched Mortal Thoughts based on their review (I'd somehow never heard of it). Nothing about the acting or direction elevated it above a made-for-TV movie. Aside from the cursing, it didn't have the feel of a feature film at all. But I'll admit I enjoyed the pulpy story, and the two leads played off each other well. And Willis played his character like "David Addison as a violent rapist", in case that interests anyone reading this.
Out for justice was and is entertaining. Not great, but some action fun. I am amazed that Gene liked it. Out for justice, Above the law and Under siege are the movies to go to of Seagal.
I love Mortal Thoughts! Only decent thing about Out fir Justice is the tiny Pam Grier role!
Mortal Thoughts sucked and the fuck was Pam Grier in Out For Justice?
Pam Grier was in Above the Law.
I have been wanting to see the Out for Justice review. I read somewhere the directions of their thumbs and was wondering why Gene voted Thumbs Up. Hearing now his arguments, he only liked Seagal. I’m with Roger. The fight scenes are routine and choreographed, the plot is piecemeal, Seagal’s Brooklyn accent is wanting at best, and Roger’s point about it taking Seagal all day to find Richie is a good one. Richie kills people in broad daylight, and walks and drives freely around Brooklyn and is never caught. Give me a break. Roger left out the part where Seagal arrests Richie’s sister for no apparent reason. Also the mafia subplot is awful. There is another plot involving his estrangement from his wife and all he does is tell her a story from his childhood that yields an unearned reconciliation, as if we care and we don’t. And payoff gag to all this is a groin kick to a guy who throws a puppy out of a car window in a garbage bag earlier in the film. 👎🏾 1.5/4
I couldn't agree with you more on your critique. Out for Justice is easily one of the worst films of 1991. Reason being for the film was its incomprehensible screenplay by David Lee Henry; he seems to underline the crimes in Brooklyn like as if every cop are on strike for whatever situation they're in with their local precinct. It fails even more that the Mafia sub-plot had absolutely nothing to do with the fact Bobby Lupo was gunned down in broad daylight, in front of his terrified family; I think the Mafia were as soft-minded as socially rejected school nerds.
And talk about the fight choreography, it looked very uninteresting to watch. Watching every violent scene becomes lethargic to sit through, like nothing brutal is going to happen. Even if the uncut NC-17 version contained more violence, it wouldn't make a difference at all. It's one of those films that postulates crime can be solved through a one man army, when the police already got Richie dead on their sights, whereas Gino was functionally inept on hunting him down with excessive force. I give Out for Justice 1/2 a star out of 4. 👎
@@toymanreturns546 It makes me wonder if Gino was put on administrative leave pending an Internal Affairs investigation. That’s another issue I had. Gino is not a likable character at all. All the damage he does tells me he wasn’t interested in avenging his partner’s murder, he was using his badge as a prop, an excuse to pillage with no questions asked
That's right, Gino had a tendency to vent his frustration because Brooklyn is rippled with crime on a daily and nightly basis. He literally tries his best to clean out the trash, with hilarious results. Knowing he had nothing to lose when he's likely to be sacked from the police force, all Gino could do is yell, knock out and shoot anyone who in some part, they have no connection to Ritchie whatsoever. And you talk about the sub-plot where some right-wing religious zealot who put a dog in a garbage bag and is left to die, I say that was gratuitous at best. Why on Earth would that be added to the script? And how could anyone ever take light into that out of context scenario, for audiences to be entertained by that? It appears the screenwriter was mentally bankrupt of one action scene to another, so that attempted suffocation of the dog could mean something useful to audiences.
@@toymanreturns546 and didn’t it seem like the film was choppy in terms of the plot developments? When the movie airs on basic cable there is an additional scene with Bobby’s wife and Gino’s wife at Bobby’s wife’s home of them talking. Suddenly Richie breaks in and comes this close to killing them. That is never followed up on
I've not seen anything as stupid as Gino and his wife running from Ritchie's cohorts to shoot them down, so the investigation over Bobby's death could come to a grinding halt. You would think that someone with half a brain in the film would've used a silencer to shoot them both in the head, but leaving the child unharmed but traumatised over the deaths of Gino and his wife - then the stupidity of Gino's behavior as a cop would finally come to an end. Heck, Ritchie would be celebrating without interruption from the NYPD, before potentially progressing from a local drug kingpin, to a feared kingpin who could make international deals in Colombia, Cuba and possibly Vietnam in terms of drugs and weaponry. If that was the case in various re-writes to satisfy the studio hierarchy, then three-quarters of the NYPD would turn on the law enforcement in order to favor the rising star of international drug trading. But somehow Ritchie's men were so dismally executed as potential killers of Gino, none of them knew the trajectory of shooting the target. Even the last man standing in Gino's apartment was doomed to fail from the first frame of the shooting sequence.
Anybody seen Richie?
the times that seagal was an a lister
Mortal Thoughts (two thumbs up)
Impromptu (two thumbs up)
Out for Justice (two thumbs up)
Journey of Hope (two thumbs up)
Out for justice (Siskel thumb up, Ebert THUMB DOWN), I was shocked at Siskel on that one
Gene was way ahead of the time with his Steven Seagal review. Doesn’t like his interviews or real life persona. But his movies are entertaining as hell.
Richie where the hell Richie RICHIEEEEEEE!!!!
Where's the moment of the picture?
I am convinced that "Out for Justice" was secretly a guilty pleasure for Roger, but wanted to be professional and not just go with how ridiculous it is 😂
he thumbed up under siege part 2, so i don't think this is true.
Weird take by Gene Siskel here. He previously gave Above the Law and Hard to Kill thumbs down. Now he all of a sudden likes Segal's movies. OK.
Was it Sharon stone?
I used to like Steven Seagal, and defended him right here in this forum. But that was before he became a Russian stooge.
It took you that long?
@@sahej6939 No, I stopped liking him _long_ before he started cozying up to dictators like Putin and Lukashenko.
Did William Forsythe put on weight for that role or was he just fat at that time? I don't recall him looking that chubby in his other films over his career