The Story of Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers (1989) - Review & Retrospective
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I tell the story behind one of the lesser-loved, but oh-so memorable entries of the "Halloween" franchise: 1989's "Halloween 5"! I delve deep into its production history and legacy, as well as provide my own thoughts about the film. Directed by Dominique Othenin-Girard. Starring: Danielle Harris, Don Shanks, Wendy Kaplan, Ellie Cornell, Beau Starr and Donald Pleasence.
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Cool video! I was actually one of the Special FX artists on Halloween 5 who created all the prop butcher knives and safety weapons! Although I don’t particularly love the film it was still really awesome to be part of this franchise since the original Halloween is my all time favorite horror flick! But it’s still fun to go back and watch this and reminisce on some of the early FX work I did on films! Thanks for posting! Cheers🎃😄👍
That’s awesome!
@@LaytonEversaul Thanks so much! Hey if you’re interested, I’ve started to post videos on my CZcams channel of some of my personal behind the scenes footage of FX work I did on movies! A few months ago I did a video on all the prop guns, weapons, and gadgets we created for Men In Black! I also included some secrets that were cut from the film! It’s a pretty fun video if you are a fan of Men In Black and into seeing “making of” footage of special FX work! Cheers😄👍
Damn that's cool. Too bad you weren't in charge of the mask design. Worst mask in the Halloween franchise.
Neat. Glad you got to have that experience!
The movie is actually a classic now be proud real proud
Donald sounds like he was genuinely one of the nicest human beings to exist
Very appropriately named, “Pleasance.”
They waited to long for part 6 by then most people don’t remember what happened in part 5
@@kathryn0200 you meam PewMahMan
The fact that star Danielle Harris was too young to attend the premiere but got a child screening for all her friends instead brought a big smile to my face! 😃 A great documentary as always! 👍🏻
Pleasance has my respect, he loved the series and it shows. The only thing keeping him from the sequels was his actual death.
If only Betsy Palmer has returned to F13 3, 7, 9, X, and FvJ. That would have been some amazing continuity.
Pleasance's commitment to the role is what gives those first 5 Myers films a much needed throughline.
Jamie Lee Curtis is the “mainstream” hero of the Halloween franchise but I truly believe Pleasence is the People’s Champion. The diehards love Loomis, and rightfully so.
@gregory garner perfectly said 👏🏼
@@CarloisBuriedAlive yeah I do agree with this but I will say that I think the newer fans (especially those who have come in after or with H18) seem to totally disregard Loomis and see the series as being Laurie v Michael and 4-6 as all being awful. It's become quite a popular narrative - ironic since I much prefer Loomis to Laurie and find it quite telling that the vast majority of proposed scripts and indeed released spin off comics feature Loomis as opposed to Laurie. I also think 4-6 as an 'era' are far stronger than H20 - H18 (also really it's 1-6 not 4-6 but now I'm being pedantic).
@@dommoore6180 I agree 100%
Yep. And for me he's the only part about 5 I enjoyed
I always watched this back to back with 4 as a kid. This movie will always have a soft spot in my heart.
Loomis was the series
So I'm 30. And for some reason the laundry shoot scene with Jamie and Michael I remember vividly. Something about it that sticks with me.
Roughly same age, many striking terrifying memories from this film as well
Can we appreciate Danielle Harris? Like dude how was she such a good actress lmao
She was very good in Halloween 4, but she's absolutely incredible here.
Yeah...5 was always a chore to get through for me. 4 was the one I could put on any night to watch or just have in the background. Still better than Resurrection ANY day.
Hell, I'd take Zombie's Halloween 2 over Resurrection. And I hate Zombie's H2.
Anything is better than resurrection
Resurrection is THE worst film in the franchise imo, and the only one who had NO reason to exist.
I love most of the Halloween movies and have mixed emotions on others, but Resurrection is the only one I skip during marathons.
@Envoy I think Halloween II is partially owned by Universal (whenever I see Halloween referenced in their theme parks, it’s always Halloween II) so AMC may not have the rights to play it on their channels
This movie was actually tense and scary from the Halloween party onward. Lots of good, intense interactions between Michael, Loomis, and Jamie. Danielle put in a great performance. And Don Shanks was an intimidating Michael. The movie just took way too long to get going. If they had had a clearer vision and didn't waste the first half on nonsense this could've been a great chapter in the series.
I don't hate it. But that mask. One of the reasons Michael was so creepy was the original Mask. We know it's Legendary.
But seriously. If you can't make the mask look like the original, I ask why didn't someone in the production crew have the brain or courage to get these masks fixed before filming. Like nobody noticed the mask looks nothing like the original? If you're going to put the original mask in the movie posters you sure as heck should get the actual mask to duplicate that.
@@GisherJohn24 that’s how they tricked us. With the movie poster 🤣
“Tense and scary”. Really? Crap acting, crap story and predictable.
@@GisherJohn24 If I had to make a list of the ten most iconic shots of Michael Myers in the entire series, half would come from THIS movie. Whatever you think about the mask, Rob Draper knows how to shoot it. Just the scene where Myers is holding the massive scythe...that moment ALONE is worth the price of the ticket.
@@tgriffin3059 While I dont share your enthusiasm, it's neat to see even H5 have its hardcore fans.
This movie really wasn’t as bad as everyone says. The mask was weird but it was actually a pretty creepy movie. Pleasance was amazing as always.
It's a wonderful movie. Even the things they get wrong only take up a moment of screen time here and there. And the things they get right, they get SO right...there's really no comparison. One of the very best of its' kind...I'd easily rank it as the second best sequel, along with 2...
I adore this movie and I love how dark and creepy it is. Don Shanks delivered one of the most physically imposing performances of The Shape EVER. When it comes to atmosphere and suspense those films (4-6) are hard to beat. Overall, the rooftop chase, the laundry chute scene and the tunnel chase are all three of the scariest suspense moments to be found anywhere in the franchise. They were worth the price of admission. We haven’t seen suspense along those lines since the gate scene in H20. Those scenes are the essence of what every Halloween film should aspire to. People pick on these films for the most superficial reasons (like the masks) but I adore the Thorn Trilogy. It’s the best timeline we ever got. If you interpret it correctly it can be canon to H20 and Resurrection. I classify the original eight as one timeline. The unattractiveness of the masks make them creepier to me. And to be fair, they’re supposed to be stolen cheap value masks; you know, the ones that change slightly every year. It all makes sense.
Besides the original, this was the Halloween movie I saw the most as a kid. It's really a huge part of my childhood and very nostalgic like you mentioned and definitely has some good moments. Is it perfect, no but I think if you view it for what it is it's far from the worst
Also, I hate when directors/writers insert things without developing them and say "the next guy can figure it out." It doesn't work here and it didn't work in the new Star Wars. I could see leaving him vague in this film but at least have his character planned out. The next guy can discard it if he wants, but at least show you have an idea beyond "wouldn't it be cool if..."
It definitely didn’t work in Star Wars
Agreed. It's just so lazy and makes things harder for the people who come afterwards.
True, although sometimes directors think that they're making the final film in the series.
Steve Miner really thought he was killing Jason in Friday the 13th Part 3/3D. Hence leaving him in the barn with an axe in his head.
Joseph Zito, the director of Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter 😉 thought about having Jason's head explode. But he reasoned that Paramount would probably want to bring Jason back at some point, so they went with the machete to the head.
Farrands pretty much had an uphill battle writing part 6 since the writers of 5 just pulled the whole Thorn symbol and Man in Black out of their collective asses. 5 was such a mess.
Even if they haven't fully mapped out where the plot is going to go, if you're gonna introduce a new direction in the story you should some idea of where it's going.
Can we just appreciate that Layton again did an amazing job on telling us „The Story of...“? You never disappoint 🤙🏻
Nah but you go for it bud.
Yes, he did an amazing job! He CLEARLY put in A TON of work on this and all his videos.
They’re really well made, he does a great job
Truly. I wonder how he finds the time. It has to take a good while to get all those edits, clips, soundbites etc done so professionally. Hats off to you Layton! Thank you for what you do!!
@@josegabaldon6346 then why are you even here? You don't pay to watch what he does for us so the least you could do is be grateful. Small, sad man.
If you're willing to be extremely forgiving with some of the faults of the movie, there's quite a lot to enjoy and admire in Halloween 5, namely Danielle Harris' brilliant performance, some great set-pieces and 2 absolutely thrilling and brilliantly shot sequences in the car chase at the barn and Jamie stuck in the laundry chute.
Meh
Extremely forgiving? Most of the flaws consist of things that are extremely brief or small portions of the film. The good so far outweighs the bad...and the quality of the good is such that it represents the absolute GOLD STANDARD for the slasher realm...the few problematic areas are of no consequence.
I agree. Danielle Harris single handedly carries this film. This was the first Halloween movie I saw so I have a soft spot for it.
@@hashtagfilm Danielle Harris is as gifted as any child actor in history. I love her in 4, but her performance in 5 may surpass even that. But for me, Pleasance is the franchise.
I adore this movie and I love how dark and creepy it is. Don Shanks delivered one of the most physically imposing performances of The Shape EVER. When it comes to atmosphere and suspense those films (4-6) are hard to beat. Overall, the rooftop chase, the laundry chute scene and the tunnel chase are all three of the scariest suspense moments to be found anywhere in the franchise. They were worth the price of admission. We haven’t seen suspense along those lines since the gate scene in H20. Those scenes are the essence of what every Halloween film should aspire to. People pick on these films for the most superficial reasons (like the masks) but I adore the Thorn Trilogy. It’s the best timeline we ever got. If you interpret it correctly it can be canon to H20 and Resurrection. I classify the original eight as one timeline. The unattractiveness of the masks make them creepier to me. And to be fair, they’re supposed to be stolen cheap value masks; you know, the ones that change slightly every year. It all makes sense.
When the Halloween films were still dark and scary!! MISS those!!
This was and always will be my favorite scary movie I don’t care who you are but Danielle Harris killed it as Jamie just phenomenal
Well said. I've always loved it, too.
I wish I could see what you see in this one, but I can't help but respectfully disagree
@@royalcass that’s ok to each their own
The trailer you put together toward the beginning is incredible! Made a "meh" installment look absolutely fantastic. Good job.
Thanks! That was the goal.
I completely love the way u make your own mini trailers of these movies right before you get into the story. You managed to make some of the worst Halloween movies look interesting to someone who hates them. Kudos man, subscribed!
Thank you!
Great job on the video, Mr. Eversaul. Your name needs to be mentioned amongst the greats in terms of video breakdowns/making-ofs on CZcams. Your editing is the bees knees.
I love part 5 I think it’s because beside the first one this was the first one I watched and as a kid when Michael wears the Halloween mask when he picks up Tina always scared the shit out of me. Underrated gem in my opinion.
H5 is my absolute favorite in the series.
Despite its flaws it’s the only one interesting enough for multiple viewings, and is never boring
💯 I don’t see how much hate it gets when you consider Halloween 6 and resurrection exist lmao
I've always ranked it second, along with 2. But it even manages to surpass the original, in one or two ways.
4, 5 and 6 are my favorites
Wilbur was a great Myers. I loved that strange square body not quite human look. Also he was legitimately terrifying, something I can't say for Shanks.
Well this was pleasant surprise to find today 👍
Agreed
I actually love Halloween 5 and Tina lol
Me too.
Always loved Tina, honestly. I'm a pretty quiet person so I've always loved loud people
Tina at least broke the mold of the typical quiet, virtuous "final girl". Did it totally work? Probably not. But at least they tried to throw a curve ball, and she did sacrifice herself in the end so people ought to give her some slack.
Tina was not that bad. Wendy aged beautifully.
I find Tina a cool character that showed some real spirit and goofiness. And yeah, she's hot.
I fucking love Tina
All of Layton’s Reviews and Retrospectives are top notch. Often more enjoyable than the movies themselves
The concept of Jamie's heel turn is one of the great What Ifs in the franchise. But close mindedness prevailed
You're a wrestling fan aren't you?
@@buttheadsexy What gave it away?
Watch Children of the Corn or Child's Play...tiny killers just aren't that compelling.
@@tgriffin3059 Child's Play wouldn't have 6 sequels, a TV series and a remake if Chucky wasn't compelling. Try again.
@@blove88 I don't have to try again. I'd just pick his sorry little ass up and throw him 50 feet...and if he came back, do the same thing again...Maybe if you turn him loose in a place where all the people were paralyzed?
Part 5 may not be the best but it damn sure has it's moments. I still rank 5 and 6 both above H20, Resurrection, and even 2018.
2018 is top 3 imo
@@detectif1061 no way man. 2018 was a huge disappointment.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 I rewatched 2018, h20 and both rob zombies the other day and ill take 2018 over all of em, rewatch it bro.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 if anything halloween kills was very disappointing to me.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 I think u don't like it because u weren't in it. Sorry if I offended your Dr. Loomis, buts it's the truth.
Fantastic video, though I'm a little disappointed you didn't include the clip of Loomis exclaiming: "COOKIE...COOKIE WOMAN!" in your montage of Donald Pleasence's "best moments" of crazy. So I'm gonna have to give this one a 9.95.
It always bothered me that the Myers house is so different than the original. If they had to use a different looking house, at least explain it somehow quickly in the movie that it was like his first childhood home or something for continuity.
Continuity and the Halloween franchise have never gone hand in hand. It started in 2 when they decided to the whole brother/sister thing.
@@07foxmulder arguably just as confusing as Friday the 13th's timeline.
@@brandonspain12345 I’d say the Friday timeline is pretty straight forward, especially 1-8. There’s some continuity errors in some of the movies (like how Crystal Lake connects to the Atlantic in part 8). And Jason has a different look in each movie but I’ve always liked that. It adds something new and Jason himself could almost be like an anthology.
@@07foxmulder The Friday films are horrible with continuity. None of the years add up or make sense lmao
@@thebogeymaniscoming That’s not what I was talking about. I was referring to how each Friday essentially picks up where the last one left off. There’s a linear story to the entire franchise (for the most part). Halloween, in the other hand, jumps from timeline to timeline, creating new plots and retconning others.
Underrated but not a Gem, is how I'd put it.
@Jarred Knox That's cool, I'd rather hear from people who love it rather than yet another person crapping on it :P
@Jarred Knox I think there's plenty of room in the love/hate arena of opinion on H6 or Rob Zombie H2 (theatrical cut) but for the life of me I can't find anything redeemable about H5. But I would like to hear your opinion on why you enjoy it.
I’m not trolling, 5 is my favorite. I’ll absolutely never understand why it gets so much hate. Especially compared to H20 and the Zombie films.
I like 5 better than h20 and the curse
Rachel's unceremonious death that should have been switched with Tina's
The godawful mask
The cops with their clown music
The Myers House being completely different
The Thorn bullshit
@@Pazuzu82 In my opinion: H6 > H5 > H20.
Odd that you'd say that...5 is my second favorite, and I get called a 'troll' all the time. It can't be THAT hard to believe...5 is centered around the exact same elements that the first 3 Michael Myers films were.
@@H0und0fHircin3 The cops with the sound effects are universally hated, but they only take up about 3 seconds of screen time. The emblem of the Thorn is seen, what, twice? Michael's wrist and the wall of the Myers' house...again, this amounts to maybe 6 seconds of the film...The mask doesn't look exactly like the one in the '78 original, but none of the others since then has, either. As for the house, sure it's different, but they made it work...the finale at the house is among the greatest sequences in the history of the franchise.
As always, amazing job. Thanks for all the hard work, Layton.
I always enjoyed this movie in spite of some of its shortcomings
Don Shanks did real well , just wish he tucked in the mask.
I think he said he did it untucked cause he grew up on a farm and wanted a more scarecrow look.
Did you see that dude’s neck? I’m not sure he could.
Much better than the hockey player in 4!
@@Rschr101 yeah that was rough. Eyes were small and close together. Hair was slicked back. It got better again 6 despite the controversial movie.
From what I think I read his neck was so big that they had to design the mask like that with a long neck that worked better untucked.
The cinematography and style of this one is actually amazing, and I love the tone of this one, and I personally love the goofy schtick here. I dunno. I think some of the sequels were boring, and this one at least tried to be it's own kinda thing. I like originality and boldness if it's done right. I may not always get the intent behind some of the choices in this one but it's pretty cool and I like the story.
Absolutely. Like the old football coaches used to say, if you're going to make a mistake, make it going FULL SPEED. This movie is its' own thing, and I think they knocked it out of the proverbial park. Brilliant movie.
Fantastic content, the amount of time and research into your videos is incredible. Thank you.
It is evident that the Akkads really do not know what the hell they are doing. They took Carpenter’s art and have done more harm than good to it over the years.
This movie had some of the best stalking scenes with Michael and atmosphere.
So well said. This is something that I find often overlooked with this film. That quality as a stalker was what defined Myers from the beginning. And Halloween 5 explores that more fully-and effectively-than any other sequel. I mean, the barn sequence is 12 minutes long...that scene, alone, takes the whole cat-and-mouse motif to the level of an art form. I think it's the single greatest stalking scene in movie history.
I understand the dislike for this entry but I've always loved it. It aint a great film but it's fun. Tina haters are just weird, she's fine. The mask is off but at least it's different. The man in black was a nice twist no one saw coming and I love the payoff in the producer's cut of part 6. And the Halloween atmosphere is pretty nice.
You're not alone. It has its flaws but it's my second favorite Halloween film.
H5's opening reminds me of how every Phantasm movie begins with a recap involving slight retcons to continue onwards. H5 also has the best title music.
0:55 if Mrs. Loomis says that Micheal is dead, then he is dead.
I would’ve loved to have this included in the Special Features of Halloween 5 on Blu-ray.
I’m one of the few people who prefers this slightly to 4.
@gregory garner there are dozens of us
I do too. Halloween 4 was too much of an action movie. And I can't get past Michael chilling in a rocking chair holding a shotgun. The Michael in H5 was closer to the stalker of the original. And H5 develops Jamie beyond being just a little girl running around screaming.
"As the years have passed, it has even gone on to earn praise from many fans"
Dave Mcrae: So, you have chosen death
Dave McRae drains my social battery via video broadcast which I didn’t think was possible as an introvert lol
Found you via someone name dropping you in a Doctor Wolfula comment section. You're a hidden gem if I've ever seen one. Stellar video and I can only presume, based on comments, that the rest of your content is in the same league.
Thanks! That's awesome to hear. My earlier stuff was definitely a work in progress, but I try to improve technically with each video.
I’m a big fan of Halloween, particularly the first 4 movies, both versions of 6, and 2018. I’ve been hard on 5 in the past, and it’s low on my list, but it’s still a lot better than Resurrection lol
Some of you may think it a waste of time, but I've just completed work on a novelization for "Halloween 5". I've done my best with a variety of scripts and the film itself to pull together a cohesive story that works in tandem with its sequel. It follows the story beat for beat with minor alterations and massive character development. I'm super proud of it. It stretches almost 60,000 words. The rights holders have had no interest. They told me that not a few hours after sending an email via a publisher.
I am probably among the world's foremost enthusiasts of this film...I've loved it from the first time I saw it...and like my other favorite in the series, Halloween 2, have now seen it well into the hundreds of times...and STILL continue to find new things to appreciate. With regard to your novel...I think there is a great deal of interesting ground you could cover in dealing with Loomis. So many people have criticized his conduct in 5, while I personally only found him MORE appealing. The more obsessive, forceful Loomis we find here is like a culmination of all that has transpired...ESPECIALLY after the way he was handled in 4, when he was all but ELIMINATED from the final half hour of the film. Sure, he got the last scene, which was phenomenal, but he was omitted from the climactic battle with Myers. That was a profound mistake. In Halloween 5, the filmmakers basically acknowledged this fact. When Loomis is on the porch of the Myers house, watching all the police cars pull out..and he stops to say, 'Now you'll come, won't you, Michael'...it seems like a direct repudiation of the decision to leave him out of the finale in 4. It was like their way of saying, Loomis will take matters into his own hands...as it should have ALWAYS been. As a Loomis fan, I resented that he was left out of the action in 4...so I'd imagine that the man, himself, would have built an anger over this...and this might account for his shorter fuse, his greater intensity, and his more forceful manner this time out. He, himself, in 4, stated that the state police won't know how to stop Myers. He's BOUND to have resented that they and a bunch of rednecks in pickup trucks encroached on sacred cinematic ground...into territory that should have been EXCLUSIVELY his...But I would be interested to see your take on this. You say your work has deeper characterization, and since Loomis is one of the essential figures, I'm sure there is at least some penetration into his evolving attitude between the events of Halloween '88 and '89. In any event, I appreciate your effort. I love Halloween 5, and always enjoy hearing from people who share this affinity. 5 is not the most popular sequel, but those who like it...tend to like it A LOT. That's always been the case with me.
I don't think it's a "waste of time" that you wrote a novelization for Halloween 5. I actually want to read it! I actually had thoughts about doing the same thing you did, but I spent time wondering if there was a first draft for "H5" so I could use some ideas from that.
Without question, this is one of the best retrospectives I have EVER seen on CZcams. You not only covered the history of the film, but offered real archive footage of the marketing AND the merchandise (aka soundtrack editions) which led me to make a purchase this morning. Suffice to say I'm also subscribing to your channel now. Can't wait to see others you've done.
I'll offer my perspective on how I feel about the movie. While some of the artistic choices earn the scrutiny they get in this installment, I chiefly blame H4 for the story quagmire H5 was forced to shoulder. H4? Yes. Let me explain.
It goes without saying H4 was essentially a very derivative film trying to reestablish the brand when Akkad rebooted the franchise based on the Myers narrative. After a quick throwaway explanation that asks us to believe Myers and Loomis could survive an explosion standing at ground zero, (never mind Myers eyes were also shot out), we're on to the cookie cutter story of a mad man loose in Haddonfield with a quirky addition of him being a DNA sniffer for those associated with his family.
The story plays out in classic Halloween tradition...until the end. And this is where the story gets muddied, which H5 has to contend with. People are quick to forget that Jamie Lloyd makes a "connection" with Myers in H4 by touching him while he lays wounded, which magically awakens him. In turn she adopts his knife wielding tendencies by attacking her foster mom while wearing nearly the same costume he did as a child.
Now while this might make for great cinema as a cliffhanger, it also completely derails Jamie Lloyd as a victim and places her in the new role as predator. The second problem - H4 completely botches the finale with Myers. Where exactly is he that Loomis is suddenly satisfied with his demise? That made absolutely no sense. Loomis would NEVER walk away from his body ( especially after everything those two have been through together) and just feel "okay" with the idea he's "buried and in hell". So H5 also has to explain what happen in that gap of reasoning.
So the complaints I hear about the connection between Jamie and Michael and the explanation for where Michael went is really a plot direction made in with H4, not Halloween 5. And honestly it plants the seeds to derail the franchise because H5 nor H6 can write they're way out of it. Michael can always find Jamie and she is now adopting his desire to kill. All H4 introductions.
H5 tackled one of these problems brilliantly, while stumbling on the other (IMHO). The writers had to backpedal on making Jamie a killer, so they WISELY made her a reluctant participant on this psyche connection which removes her from freely choosing to stab her foster mother. They further layer that by showing she suffers from severe trauma as a result of that episode and can not speak. People who do not like that need to realize the writers had to reestablish Jamie as a victim which is ALLOT to unpack!
If thats not enough, H5 now has to ALSO explain what happen to Michael. This too is problematic because they have to contend with where he's been while they put time on the shelf for Jamie to reach the stage she's at for the events to unfold in H5. Having him cared for by a hermit is an okay idea, but that needed to be flushed out better so there was guidance as to whether he was awake during that period, or was comatose the whole time. And did the cultic marking come from the hermit or did he always have it? Admittedly that whole scene was lazy (if not frustrating) and needed to be more refined. Another five or ten minutes of story there would have cleaned it up and given Myers a new and interesting backstory. That too would become a scripting landmine for Halloween 6.
In terms of the rest of the film, its more hits than misses. While I originally did not like the mask, it has grown on me and I think most of that comes from just how ridiculous it got in later editions. I think Myers became too stylized and self aware in future entries, which I don't feel happens here. He's a bit disheveled which honestly lends to his state of mind. Plus I LOVE the fact he wears another mask which also plays to that original idea which is he's toying with his victims.
I believe they overthought the house issue. If the director wanted those interior scenes he could have still done the majority of them with a tighter shot and just filmed different exterior scenes to match previous films. In terms of the cloaked figure, he would have been fine had they flushed him out better. But just as with the hermit, he looked thrown in there for cheap intrigue rather than actual plotting that would have a payoff.
So to conclude, I think Halloween 5, while certainly flawed, had allot to unpack to try and tell its own story. And in doing that, it was a mix bag of strong ideas, interesting ideas, and other introductions that didn't get another film time to be fully realized. I think if H4 had offered a cleaner handoff on the newly created characters, Halloween 5 could have continued a narrative that would have had fewer twists and turns. After H1 and H2, this is my favorite film in the series to watch, honestly because its not the same "lather-rinse-repeat" storyline that most of them follow. And I'm sick to my gills with the GI-Jane Laurie Strode character who has spent 40 years beating the shit out of Michael Myers. Halloween 5 tries to expand the narrative and say there is something more to this tired franchise than just a mental patient who can't catch ONE person.
No its not a hidden gem type of film. A much better director could have made an entirely better film even if they started with the same script. But it reminds me of a time when the franchise was more an open book and could still go anywhere instead of the fan-service movies it is today where they just exclude entries and make it up with zero continuity.
Started your comment on the defensive (b/c I love H4), but you reeled me in as I continued reading. I find H4 to be one of the best, but you've "cracked the mirror" a bit on that and I welcome that. Well put and I have to admit that this film has a special place in my heart b/c it was the second I'd saw after H4. H5 scared the shit out of me back then and it has a lasting imprint on my conscious whenever I'm in the dark still.
@@TheCharlesJackson I appreciate your kind words and reflection.
Excellent criticism
Another great video. Keep up the good work.
These are SO well done. Thank you!!!
Layton, thank you for this!
Loving these videos!! :D
tysm so much for putting all the work for this film and us!! i love this film so much!!
I've just watched both your Halloween 4 and 5 videos (and I'll watch your Halloween 6 video asap!) - and these are by far the best and most complete retrospectives on these movies I've seen on CZcams, really!
I'm hoping you'll deliver more of those for movies like Halloween 2, H20, or any Scream/Friday the 13th movie! Great job!
Jonathan M Thank you! All are definitely on the list.
@@LaytonEversaul Great! Can't wait to see that!
I love Halloween 5! I think the soundtrack by Alan Howarth is amazing. The performances by Donald Pleasence and Danielle Harris are great. And the cinematography , lighting, and art direction are fantastic. This movie still manages to create atmosphere and suspense, something lost on most of the films to follow. Yes, there are elements present that could be improved, but what is present is an intriguing story, some truly awesome set-pieces, and a mostly well-maintained IP (unlike other mismanaged sequels in the series). The Man in Black stuff needed more thought but it doesn't bother me that much. I would love to see a restored version with the missing sequences and excised gore reincorporated into the film (I'd love similar versions to all of the horror movies from the late 80's and early 90's that were heavily leaned upon by the MPAA). I'd rank it 5th in the series for me personally.
Well said. I'd rank it 2nd...along with 2...
I do like the last part you added. Danielle Harris says 5 is best viewed as a stand alone, not a sequel to its predecessor, which is very true. Wow! It’s decently a good stand alone MM movie. However, the only problem is, the movie IS a sequel to its predecessor. Literally starts out with the ending to 4, then MM floating down the river.
Love watching your channel the videos are so informative and so well put together ... Thanks!!
Awesome job on this one man !!!
Robin James Music Thank you!
Even though I couldn't stand the obnoxious character of Tina, I've always LOVED Halloween 5!! That ending in the police station really "WTF'ed" me when I first saw it, but in a good way!!
I knew the Man in Black was up to no good, but I didn't expect THAT ending!! I also loved that Dr. Loomis was noticeably more unhinged in this one!! You can tell that he's really at his wits end to end Michael once and for all!!
40:51 Really?? Isabelle Fuhrman from Orphan (2009) begs to differ!!
Very well produced video, as always 👏
Great work as always!
Layton, Excellent research, and fantastic analysis .... how you made me relive this dog of a film is testament to your storytelling abilities
Another killer upload!!! Thanks 😃
You put such CARE into detailing what is a weak, forgotten poor film and actually made me CARE! Well done, as usual, Mr Eversaul!
There's a few things wrong with Halloween 5 but there's also a few reasons why I like the movie overall and watch it after anytime I watch 4 which might be my favorite one. I grew up watching 5, like all the Halloween movies I enjoy it for different reasons. 5 has a few cool scenes and deaths. I like the combination between Donald Pleasence and Danielle Harris. That character chemistry I like better than anything going on with the characters in Halloween 2018 which is slightly overrated to say it's the second best one. And Halloween 5 isn't as awful as they make it out to be. I like an evolving on going story. I'm tired of remaking the first one and Michael chasing Laurie Strode every movie.
Halloween 2018 is definitely overrated. Yes, we all love Laurie Strode, but overall the movie was full of cliches and didn't do anything very interesting. Halloween 5 has its issues, but also has a lot going for it, and I enjoyed watching Jamie's story develop.
4:09 who would have ever thought that Anthony Michael hall would play Tommy in Halloween kills
please make more. I love these!!!
I love this movie!!! Great video man!
Despite never having seen any of the Halloween movies before, other than H20 & Resurrection, I can't help but watch your retrospectives on them. They truly are amazing!
I think Halloween 5 is under rated after rewatching it I loved it! I like the Giallo influence!
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Seems awfully strange that just hours after Tina's best friend and her boyfriend are murdered by Michael Myers, Tina is laughing at her friend dressing up as MM and pretending to attack her.
Well Tina isn't aware that they've been murdered. Remember, Michael has their bodies hidden in his house.
@@DarthMacchio It's been awhile since I've seen it I might be wrong about Rachel but she has to know her boyfriend as dead Michael was arrested in his car in its close It's been awhile since I've seen it I might be wrong about Rachel but she has to know her boyfriend as dead Michael was arrested in his car in his clothes
@@DarthMacchio Plus even if she's not sure she knows that Michael attacked and killed a lot of people In the previous movie And attach your best friend and Jamie She should at least think it's in bad taste
@@rebeccawilliamson1978 Tina wasn't very bright, that's for sure. But we don't know if she knew that was Michael driving her around. The whole time in the car she thinks it's her boyfriend. And when the police show up his car is gone, so far all she knew it was her boyfriend just dodging the cops and ditching her there. The cops only seem to tell her that she could be in danger and should stay with Jamie instead of going out. I do agree the Michael prank was in bad taste, but I think Tina deep down was scared and thought she could use humor to convince herself everything was fine. You can see this is the case when Dr. Loomis is trying to convince her to stay with Jamie. She's crying and upset but brushes it off and tries to make a joke about "I'm never sensible if I can help it." and dances off like an idiot.
@@DarthMacchio yea she definitely made a big effort to be flighty
Love Tina, love this mask, love this movie. Best original timeline sequel for me.
Same here.
Loving the Halloween videos mate 👍
Another one coming soon!
Love all your videos and they have so much info and care put into each one. Halloween is one of my Favourite franchise of the horror genre and I’m so happy to have stumbled across this channel .
Thanks for watching!
@@LaytonEversaul always! It’s my new horror addiction
I love your vids. So professional.
I love them edits and story telling of the movie
i remember it the most because they showed it over and over on cable when i was a kid. especially the jail scene at the end.
Fanfuckingtastic work as always Mr. Eversaul. Finished it while my wife was out cuz you know she doesn’t “get it” and I couldn’t wait to watch the rest. This comment has gone on way too long. Happy Halloween sir. Kudos.
I love that Michael found time to get a 'thorn' tattoo
Whole barn scene sequence was great
My first Halloween movie! Came on tv when I was 7 and I loved it. Now, definitely not great but I still have fondness for it
I love the masks in part 4 and 5, they look great!
2 years ago and this comment is still true.
This is the one I look forward to the most during the AMC marathon on Oct 31st.
I would never buy a copy, but I will always watch it when they show it along with the others.
Been binging your documentaries about the Halloween movies. Lol love them... Was wondering may u do Carrie 1976? 😊
This was a good-ass video!! I’ve loved this movie since I was a kid and I never knew any of the history!
I remember sleepovers in high school with a bunch of friends watching Halloween 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6 on VHS all night long. We usually tapped out at the start of this movie because it's just so dull. And also because the sun was usually coming up, but the movie is still dull.
Opening of this video reminds me of the death scene of Alex Murphy in 1987s RoboCop
There's no way H5s mask is the worse. It at least looks like it was made with care. 4 looks like they LITERALLY used a cheap, offbrand Spirit Halloween mask
Funny, i see it the other way around.
I’m not a huge fan of either mask but Halloween 4’s mask was making the best out of a bad shipment while Halloween 5’s mask was intentionally made out of a mold of the big head of Greg Nicotero - idk why he thought that was the best option lol
Great video...well done.
I've seen people constantly criticise Donald Plesance's preformance in this film, as Loomis being too unhinged, and too much of an asshole. The thing is, Loomis have every right to be unhinged and an asshole after all the shit he's been through. He's been dealing with this shit for like 20 years, and Myers keeps coming back and mass murdering people. He's tried everything including attempting to blow himself and Micheal up, and he won't stop or won't stay dead. If anything, Loomis' reactions to everything are calmer than anyone else in his shoes would be all things considered.
Bro hell yeah! Cant wait for the video on 6!
Imagine if the Man in Black WAS made to be Michael's twin brother.
Great video!
With the exception of H3, I consider this the most underrated of the series. It has plenty of flaws but there's a lot of good shit as well.
Like what?
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•Danielle Harris gives one of her best performances.
•Donald Pleasence as Crazy Loomis. I love it and it makes perfect sense for him to be whacked out of his mind by this point.
•Don Shanks was a pretty good Myers.
•It's beautifully shot with a great harvest season atmosphere and an almost gothic feel during the third act.
•Awesome title sequence.
•Tina, Rachel, and Samantha are hot as hell. I never found Tina annoying either.
•Alan Howarth's score.
•Lots of Michael stalking his victims. I like seeing him during the day too. We hadn't seen that since the original film so it's a nice callback.
•Most of the scenes at the Tower Farm. Especially the car chase.
•The third act, apart from one small scene and the Myers house looking totally different, is fucking fantastic. The laundry chute scene alone makes it great.
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I didn't like any of that so let's just agree to disagree.
@@travzimmerman1340 the entire third act is more creative than anything in H18. I don't think that's debatable even if you dislike the third act.
@@dommoore6180 i dont think we watched the same H18 lol
For some reason the first two, 5&6, H20, and Ressurection are all on AMC every Halloween season. It's a strange collection of films to have but I know I can ALWAYS catch 4 and 5 a couple times in October
Sill a better movie than H8 and RZ H2.
Not sure if you'll see this comment, but I wanted to say thank you. I've watched your videos for about 8 hours today! So interesting, and so nice to see someone loving horror as much as me. Thank you ❤
My pleasure! Thanks for watching.
The scene where Mike is shining up his car with the rag, you can see the reflection of the camera when he passes by the driver side mirror.