inverse laplace of s/(s^2+1)^2, using convolution theorem

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  • inverse laplace of s/(s^2+1)^2 using convolution theorem,
    use convolution theorem to find inverse laplace transform,
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  • @federicopagano6590
    @federicopagano6590 Před 5 lety +17

    We shouldn't put + C for many reasons
    1°) it's a definite integral
    2°) the inverse laplace transform always it's a one to one operator unique result
    3°) we could think this problem like the L^-1[L{ -1/2(L {sin (t)} }'s ]= - t .f (t) then f=1/2 (sen (t)/t) ✔

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  • @johnkarlorcajada3147
    @johnkarlorcajada3147 Před 7 lety +81

    No +C because it is a definite integral.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Před 7 lety +32

      LOL! YUP!!!!

    • @sugarfrosted2005
      @sugarfrosted2005 Před 6 lety +4

      If you want to be pedantic, it's there, it's just eaten when you substitute the end points in.

    • @AlgyCuber
      @AlgyCuber Před 5 lety +3

      and it’s an inverse laplace not an inverse derivative

  • @chinmayabehera8961
    @chinmayabehera8961 Před 6 lety +10

    cz its a definite integral we don't use c here
    .....your the best tutor I have ever seen....THANKS

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Před 6 lety +7

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  • @Guru_Joe_Praise2023
    @Guru_Joe_Praise2023 Před 2 měsíci

    In just a few minutes I have understood Convolution theorem of Laplace Transform well done sir👍

  • @new-jj5il
    @new-jj5il Před 4 lety +1

    Excellent explanation
    Without neglecting any small mathematical step...
    Thanks

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  • @mariogabrielsalvatierrafra4500

    SUCH A GREAT EXAMPLE OF AN INVERSE LAPLACE TRANSFORMATION, I hope you can do examples of diferential ecuaions with the special functions like delta of dirac and others, i mean diferential ecuations where you have to use laplace transformation, keep doing those videos, they are so great

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  • @robinrotich118
    @robinrotich118 Před 4 lety

    waauh amazing math lesson i have understood everything on convolution

  • @skwbusaidi
    @skwbusaidi Před 4 lety +4

    Good . Also we can also use the fact that laplace of t f(t) = -d/ds ( F(s))
    We can take f(t) = 1/2 sint

  • @parthokr
    @parthokr Před 2 lety +1

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  • @utkarshanayak1710
    @utkarshanayak1710 Před 3 lety +10

    Never heard of Convolution theorem. But you explained so easily 🙏🙏❤️. Thanks #blackpenredpen
    Btw no +C since it is a definite integral 😎

  • @FutballFocusTV
    @FutballFocusTV Před 6 lety +1

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    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Před 6 lety

      Glad to help!

    • @FutballFocusTV
      @FutballFocusTV Před 6 lety

      blackpenredpen . Thank you sir , i got this question as well .
      Use convolution theorem to find the inverse laplace transform of the following.
      f(s) = 1/s+p)(s+q)
      Do you have an email ?

    • @FutballFocusTV
      @FutballFocusTV Před 6 lety

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    @jun6003 Před 6 lety +2

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    @mrinmoybhaduri9666 Před 5 lety

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    @izuchukwuokafor8130 Před rokem

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  • @Sednas
    @Sednas Před rokem +1

    no, you do not need to put down +C, and that was hilarious 😂😂😂. I love your videos they are so useful but also funny sometimes.

  • @maneeshkoru2312
    @maneeshkoru2312 Před 2 lety +2

    You can also use L[t.f(t)]=-dF(s)/ds, complex differentiation theorem.

  • @demenion3521
    @demenion3521 Před 7 lety

    you should probably add an argument after the laplace transform like L{f(t)}(s). otherwise one has always to remember which variables you use normally.
    And also: i am used to the convolution over the whole reals. is it actually the same thing as the integral from 0 to t?

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    @ANANDYADAV-sc1se Před 2 lety

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  • @mariogabrielsalvatierrafra4500

    Such a great video and no we don't need to put +C because the convolution is a definite integral so the C is not necesary

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    @levialviter2302 Před 3 lety

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    @queenqueen4662 Před 5 lety

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    @xongram3139 Před 3 lety

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    @sushantlakra6715 Před 6 lety

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  • @SuHAibLOL
    @SuHAibLOL Před 7 lety +2

    integral transforms are just great

  • @IrfanNasir
    @IrfanNasir Před 6 lety +1

    Thank you very much sir

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 Před 2 lety

    3:14 , integration by parts will work if you expand sin(t-v) to get two integrals

  • @jarikosonen4079
    @jarikosonen4079 Před 4 lety

    The plus C could be allowed, but might depend on the initial conditions. The problem is that how to make laplace of sin(x)+2 ? It doesn't work maybe. Then if inverse laplace should give sin(x)+2, how to?
    This method seems to work, but requires a lot of calculation.
    Basically signals can be transferred both on time and signal axes.
    sin(x) becoming sin(x-t0)+C if transferred in both axes.
    One could use sin(x)+2×u(t), but that wouldn't be same as sin(x)+2, except for t>=0. If Laplace valid for t>=0 only it seems maybe also reason why u(t) should be used instead. But one could add just 2 if the offset of 2 is certain.
    The calculation without offset is easier maybe and doing things around the 0 instead of 2 is more practical in this math.
    Like solving x^2 + 3x + 1 = 0 rather than x^2 + 3x + 3 = 2. You could tune the 2nd degree polynomial equation solving to work with right side =2 rather than =0, but it would get more complicated.
    Can you calculate inverse laplace transform of s^2/(s^2 + w^2) as an example case also?

  • @user-oo3no4bn7h
    @user-oo3no4bn7h Před 5 lety

    Amazing bro
    Thanks a lot

  • @algion24
    @algion24 Před 2 lety +1

    An easier way to evaluate the convolution
    let I = sin(t)*cos(t) = int 0 to t (sin(t-v)cos(v))dv
    since convolution is commutative
    I = int 0 to t (cos(t-v)sin(v))dv
    add the 2 together
    2I = int 0 to t (sin(t-v)cos(v)+cos(t-v)sin(v))dv
    this becomes an angle sum formula for sin
    2I = int 0 to t (sin(t-v+v))dv
    = int 0 to t (sin(t))dv
    = vsin(t) from 0 to t
    = tsin(t) - 0sin(t)
    = tsin(t)
    divide both sides by 2
    I = tsin(t)/2

    • @carultch
      @carultch Před 7 měsíci

      An easier way to evaluate it without using convolution.
      Use the s-derivative property of the Laplace transform, where L{t*f(t)} = -d/ds F(s).
      Take the s-derivative of sine's Laplace transform:
      d/ds 1/(s^2 + 1) = -2*s/(s^2 + 1)^2
      Therefore:
      L{t*sin(t)} = 2*s/(s^2 + 1)^2
      Multiply both sides by 1/2:
      1/2*L{t*sin(t)} = s/(s^2 + 1)^2
      Recognize the original transform we're trying to invert in the above. Thus:
      L-1 {s/(s^2 + 1)^2} = 1/2*t*sin(t)

  • @thommythomas3123
    @thommythomas3123 Před 2 lety

    good explaination

  • @ChickenJY
    @ChickenJY Před 6 lety +1

    Prof, may I request a Fourier Transform/ Inverse FT videos from you ?

  • @maayoufamoez2217
    @maayoufamoez2217 Před 5 lety

    all maths is here in this equation. good example thank you but i like the way you play with pens :) :)

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 Před 7 lety +1

    Complex partial fraction will work
    We could also use differentiation

  • @Grundini91
    @Grundini91 Před 6 lety +2

    It's a definite integral, no +c

  • @himanshu11876
    @himanshu11876 Před 6 lety +2

    2nd method #dis function is derivative of (S^2+1)^-1,so inverse function would be multipled by t

    • @anishachoudhury_
      @anishachoudhury_ Před 6 lety

      Can u just explaim why did he use sin t-v instead of sint in 4th step

    • @NoobMaster-yw6eo
      @NoobMaster-yw6eo Před 5 lety +1

      @@anishachoudhury_ it's just how the convolution is done

    • @NoobMaster-yw6eo
      @NoobMaster-yw6eo Před 5 lety

      Hey could u write down how would u use that method on this is function cuz am kinda lost with it

  • @andremiller482
    @andremiller482 Před 5 lety

    You're awesome dude

  • @darcash1738
    @darcash1738 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Just watching this for fun, seems pretty cool. can someone explain the step from sint * cost? why does the argument of sin become "t-v", whereas for cos it becomes simply "v"? and perhaps i should know what is being convoluted in this convolution 😂

  • @helldogforever
    @helldogforever Před 6 lety

    Your video helped.

  • @user-df9hk7hs1l
    @user-df9hk7hs1l Před 2 měsíci

    Integrate denominator and take inverse to the result to get F(s)
    and the result is - d/ds F(s)

  • @enricoperrotta5676
    @enricoperrotta5676 Před 2 lety

    Awesome

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    @sydbugnano8431 Před 3 lety

    I love how much he loves math

  • @ernestamoah2612
    @ernestamoah2612 Před rokem +1

    Thank you sir.

  • @eseranceese9305
    @eseranceese9305 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks! This is very helpful!. Can i ask what if the equation is inverse laplace of [ 1/(s²-9)²]
    is it using convolation to solve it?

    • @eseranceese9305
      @eseranceese9305 Před 3 lety

      Uhm also what if the s on the top of it squared? Like s²/(s²+1)²?

    • @carultch
      @carultch Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@eseranceese9305 A method I recommend, is to assume it is an arbitrary linear combination of t*sin(3*t), t*cos(3*t), sin(3*t), and cos(3*t). Then take the Laplace transforms of each of component function, using the s-derivative property of Laplace transforms. Set up the linear combination with undetermined coefficients, and use algebra to solve for them.
      L{cos(3*t)} = s/(s^2 + 9)
      L{sin(3*t)} = 3/(s^2 + 9)
      L{t*cos(3*t)} = -d/ds L{cos(3*t)}= (s^2 - 9)/(s^2 + 9)^2
      L{t*sin(3*t)} = -d/ds L{sin(3*t)}= 6*s/(s^2 + 9)^2
      Let the Laplace transform we're trying to invert, equal the following, and solve for A, B, C, and D:
      A*s/(s^2 + 9) + 3*B/(s^2 + 9) + C*(s^2 - 9)/(s^2 + 9)^2 + 6*D*s/(s^2 + 9)^2
      For 1/(s^2 + 9)^2:
      1/(s^2 + 9)^2 = A*s/(s^2 + 9) + 3*B/(s^2 + 9) + C*(s^2 - 9)/(s^2 + 9)^2 + 6*D*s/(s^2 + 9)^2
      1 = A*s*(s^2 + 9) + 3*B*(s^2 + 9) + C*(s^2 - 9) + 6*D*s
      1 = A*s^3 + 9*A*s + 3*B*s^2 + 27*B + C*s^2 - 9*C + 6*D*s
      A = 0
      3*B + C = 0
      27*B - 9*C = 1
      D = 0
      Solution for B&C:
      B = 1/54, C=-1/18
      Thus:
      inverse Laplace of 1/(s^2 + 9)^2 = 1/54*sin(3*t) - 1/18*t*cos(3*t)

  • @mutalejohn5295
    @mutalejohn5295 Před rokem

    Thank you!

  • @hashem4287
    @hashem4287 Před 6 lety

    Thank you very much

  • @flickboxextra3127
    @flickboxextra3127 Před 10 měsíci

    Very good

  • @manishmodak1726
    @manishmodak1726 Před 4 lety

    Do it for the minus sign too without using the convolution theorem please

  • @adityapahalvan6484
    @adityapahalvan6484 Před 5 lety

    Sir make the video on complex integration,contour

  • @suzeetasuzee9018
    @suzeetasuzee9018 Před 6 lety

    can u please upload more examples of convolution theorem.......

  • @john-athancrow4169
    @john-athancrow4169 Před 6 lety

    I heard sin instead of cos and then I said, «Oh, it's COsine!»

  • @ROSBELMARIABCE
    @ROSBELMARIABCE Před 6 lety

    thanks dude

  • @Novak2611
    @Novak2611 Před 3 lety +1

    One can simply use the derivative of Laplace transform of cos: L'(f)=-L(tf) (i am not talking about Laplace of derivative)

  • @mohan153doshi
    @mohan153doshi Před 6 lety

    The best way to do convolution is with bprp - yay!!!!

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    @shahrukhtramboo6781 Před 6 lety

    now i actually found some meaning

  • @richellemaebaguasan3553
    @richellemaebaguasan3553 Před 4 lety +1

    Amazing!

  • @mr.hridoy245
    @mr.hridoy245 Před 6 lety

    the lovely way to do this math, i like your your way to solve,thank you sir

  • @teo97judo
    @teo97judo Před 5 lety

    Hello Steve, my name is Teo and I come all the way from Greece.
    I was trying to solve an inverse Laplace and googled for help so I stumbled upon this video.The problem is I can't exactly understand how to use this method on my problem. The problem is inverse Laplace of (s+3)/(s^2 + 4)^2 . I tried the partial fraction method as well but it seems that it can't be divided. I'd love to hear back from you with some help because I'm sure it will take you 5 minutes to solve it.
    Thank you for your time anyway.

    • @DrQuatsch
      @DrQuatsch Před 5 lety

      The first thing that comes to mind is separating it. L^-1{s/(s^2 + 4)^2} + 3L^-1{1/(s^2 + 4)^2}. The first part is pretty much the same as in the video, but you only have s^2 + 2^2 in the denominator, so that results in tsin(2t)/4. There's an extra factor of 1/2, because you have to match the 2 on the top for the sine part. For the other fraction you will have to calculate a convolution of two sines: 3(L^-1{1/(s^2 + 4)} * L^-1{1/(s^2 + 4)}) = 3/4(L^-1{2/(s^2 + 2^2)} * L^-1{2/(s^2 + 2^2}) = 3/4(sin(2t) * sin(2t)).

  • @fadyfahmyful
    @fadyfahmyful Před 6 lety

    why the integral of the second sin(t) is -cos(t) , I mean you did not use the same rules for both integrals of sin?

    • @changdagong3305
      @changdagong3305 Před 6 lety +4

      because we are integrating wrt v, so whatever t is just a constant, the first sin involve v so we must use cos

    • @angus8147
      @angus8147 Před 4 lety

      @@changdagong3305 you save my final term exam

  • @harvindyadav862
    @harvindyadav862 Před 4 lety

    s/(s^2+a^2)^2= (-0.5)*d/ds{1/(s^2+a^2)}
    Now apply derivative formula.

  • @shreetimohapatra4142
    @shreetimohapatra4142 Před 7 měsíci

    thank uuu

  • @helloitsme7553
    @helloitsme7553 Před 7 lety +1

    no +c, cause any function has a unique La place transform and any La place transform belongs to a unique function

  • @diegonavia1404
    @diegonavia1404 Před 5 lety

    wena hermano greetings from chile

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    @ibrahimadiallo9427 Před 4 lety

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    @nickdelligatti3712 Před 6 lety

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    @georgeharry7729 Před 6 lety

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  • @vidyatarani2554
    @vidyatarani2554 Před 5 lety

    Can you plz tell this question by partial fraction method . Is it possible to do this question in this method

    • @carultch
      @carultch Před rokem

      Partial fractions won't help you here, because you already have the denominator as reduced as possible. Unless you explore complex roots of the denominator.

  • @santiagocas3683
    @santiagocas3683 Před 4 lety

    Broo, I got a big question, how to know, where put, t-v, for expmle, cos(t-v)sin(v),
    ¿Cómo sabes donde poner (t-v), ?¿ Podría haber sido cos(t-v)sin(v)?
    Disculpa el inglés, no soy nativo.

    • @carultch
      @carultch Před 7 měsíci

      It is completely arbitrary which one gets v, and which one gets t-v, since convolution is commutative.

  • @LoneWolf-zj8it
    @LoneWolf-zj8it Před 5 lety

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    king

  • @ronaldrosete4086
    @ronaldrosete4086 Před 3 lety

    By the way, what's the Laplace of Y(s)/X(s)?

    • @carultch
      @carultch Před 7 měsíci

      It's called the transfer function. The function that relates the output to the input of a linear time independent dynamic system, assuming X(s) represents the Laplace transform of the input, and Y(s) represents the Laplace transform of the output.

  • @mojahedhamayel9870
    @mojahedhamayel9870 Před 4 lety

    You can tell me what equal it
    sin A . cosB =
    cos B . sin A =
    sin A . sin B =
    cos A . cos B =

  • @Omegas88
    @Omegas88 Před 6 lety +3

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