Pioneer CTWM60 6 Cassette changer Repair
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2020
- A relatively obscure cassette deck by Pioneer.
Produced around 1992 this unit will make 6 copies of a cassette. The recorder holds 6 tapes. Both recorder and playback decks are suto reverse, so it can even operate as a jukebox. - Věda a technologie
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I used to supply a lot of music systems to Restaurants in London and when multi change CD players came out we tended to supply those. In the UK public establishments can buy a PRS licence that allows them to pay prerecorded music.
We found most systems did't last more than a 2 - 4 years. Remember people were allowed to smoke in restaurants and pubs back in the 1980s and 1990s. Smoking alone killed most Hi Fi systems. When they say on the pack "Smoking Kills" they mean more than just people.
Yeah, right... Which negs the question? Who gets that money? Seriously? What garbage are the gatekeepers to our joy. Damn them forever to eternal hell.
@@grizzlyaddams3606 you're clearly not a working musician! :-)
I love your Videos. So interesting, especially rare stuff like this. Thank You for making them!
More to come. The fella that brought me this and the akai has more stuff to get going.
@@12voltvids
That's great to hear. Really looking forward.
I would also encourage and welcome the longer videos without too much cuts. The format works, just look at MyMateVince or Louis Rossman. Please don't listen to the naysayers. I for myself love the longer vids and I'm sure others do too.
I love your CASIO watch, greetings from #Algeria. You're the best repairman !
@@algerian8862 yes I like the watch too. This is probably one of the rarest of the casio watches. Solar powered, radio synchronized. I have had this at least 15 years now. I have been looking for another one. I have another rare casio. Metal case calculator watch with touch screen but it got scratched and the 4 key no longer functions.
I have a similar model, that I got from the radio station I worked at in the 90s. It still works... although I no longer use it everyday.
I love the rare electronics that come up on the bench! The tape deck I never knew existed!
I have the the CT-M5R just the six tape changer recorder, I really like it !
The one I fixed 20 years ago I think had the recorder on the single side and the 6 tape side was a player so they must have had a few different models
Lol...I once worked for a rubber recycler. They could de-vulcanize rubber, and compounded the reclaimed rubber with a formula. Sometimes which included synthetic rubber, that isn't as elastic and is what I believe makes the belts, etc. turn gummy over time.
Smashing repair dave, never seen one of those before.
I bet you are right, on ebay for some mad collector to pay too much for it.
Wow, i never knew a deck like that existed, it would be good for parties that last all night, lol. It probably just came on the market when cd's players did, i bet.
This range of pioneer separates was available with the now rare turntable CD player the CD went in label side down and the laser was on top! I had one the spindle motor was U\S
Recently got a late model Pioneer double deck (CT-W606R something). While rich in functionality - digital nr/auto bias/flex/etc., the mechanism is as flimsy as it could be. Luckily it still uses real metal flywheel with flat belt which seems to help w&f somewhat.
Btw got it dirt cheap - less than 20$, completed with cassettes stuck in both wells. Turns out the previous owner grossly (mis)adjusted its flipping head so far off that it litereally jammed the cassette in the mech and seized everything up. So he dumped it away at that price. A few disassembly/adjustments/clean-up and it's back to life.
I have one of the elite decks and it performs really well. The digital NR really takes away the tape his.
@@12voltvids Indeed. Its digital nr is the sole reason that I retain this deck since it outperforms me+software nr. No additional process (=time) needed also.
Without this feature I'd probably had traded it away with something else.
I just bought the CT-WM62R, which came with remote function when new.
The changer side when tuned correctly on its azimuths forwards and backwards, does a good job on most pre-recorded commercial tapes I put to it.
Bravo ,with the second deck!
Thanks for the video. The mechanism is like an inkjet printer!
it's nice to watch your repairing skill,
i have a KENWOOD amplifier for repair, unifortunately, im @ other side of globe (india), so hard to send to you
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A person in my area back in the day, use to pirate cassettes, and sell them on the corner in Philly, he had one of these decks, that's what he used it for.
I am sure many did the same. Load 6 blank tapes and hit high speed dub. 2 hours later 6 copies.
I remember that device. It was an interesting concept, but Pioneer failed to make the standalone pb deck decent enough for people with audiophile ambitions. IMO, the smarter buy was to get an affordable CT-757 3-header and a CD changer.
Also, head geometry, especially azimuth adjustment, was a nightmare on the changer unit.
That is ridiculous getting sued for listening to music at a restaurant!
Does that also mean people are not allowed to listen to radio station music in a restaurant?
Think about it!...
They're serving you, trying to make you feel comfortable & hoping that you enjoy your meal in peace.
But instead, the person eating the meal is trying figure out a way to sue them for playing the music while they eat. It's all about the $$$. What a crazy world we live in. If they were really that offended by it they should have went up and talked to the owners.
They have taking this to a extreme ridiculous, along with everything else in this world!
Yeah I saw the comet too very nice.
I have one similar to this one, mine doesn't have the single deck but instead got the larger screen. I purchased it new back in the 90's. I had it for about 3 months when a cassette got chewed and I had to pull apart the stacker mechanism to get the bloody thing out! It never worked after that so I put it away and never used it again! I still have it though. I might attempt having a look at it, so far apart from belts probably needing to be replaced, I have seen another video repair on one of these where it was behaving like mine. It tries to take a tape inside but never makes it to the end, gets stuck and returns the tape. In this other video, the guy basically cleaned out all the old grease and it started to work like it should. So I'm thinking that pioneer not only cheaped out on the mechanism, but also the lubricants. And if I remember correctly, it wasn't a very good deck for recording! It was fine for playback but recording wasn't it's strong point! A good cassette deck can record on the most used and even chewed up tape and you would never know how bad the tape was! I also still have my Kenwood car cassette deck which cost $1200 in the 90's, and it only had the preamp stage, you still had to purchase power amplifiers if you wanted to listen to music! Anyway, this deck could play any tape and it would sound amazing! Every time I took my cassette tape and put it in my friends sony car cassette deck it would show up everything that was wrong with the tape! Not all cassette decks were made equally! I tell you what though, I really miss the blank skip feature! Anything longer than 4 seconds and it goes looking for music.. I wonder if the pioneer that you just worked on had the proper AC erase head? The permanent magnet type works but it's rubbish, it can't erase metal tapes! You usually find the permanent magnet type in the low end home gear and Boomboxes, although I recently pulled apart a sharp boombox that was made in the 90's (it had that rounded look which I really don't like) and I was surprised to find that Sharp used those beautiful Melf barrel surface mount type resistors and a proper AC erase head! Go Sharp 💪 I thought to myself. My beloved National RX-C45 boombox is an amazing machine but it only has the permanent magnet type erase head and sadly no Melf barrel surface mount type resistors! I would love to reverse engineer the PCB and maybe even add Bluetooth to it if I had the time... IF LoL.
Yeah so apart from that pioneer being a cassette stacker and looking nice, it really wasn't a very good recorder!
I got one of those 100CD changers but I have seen some of these multi cassette changers.
I have a 200 CD changer. Use it all the time.
It would have been handy for recording copies of tapes to sit in the heat of the car instead of taking your original tapes with you. EDIT: Tapes are a thing of the past, thank heavens!
Unfortunately those combined 6+1 decks were only available in the American market, I think... Here in Europe there were only 6 cassette changer units.
The really rare 6+1 i saw on Ebay here in Germany had all these amber-colored displays, which look nicer than those white ones we have here in my opinion.
I own a Pioneer CT-M66R, which I use for listening to audio books and recording long radio programs and radio plays, which are sent unfortunately mostly at night.
I really like the mechanism of these units. And one advantage of the pure 6 cassette changers is the bigger display, which is blinking like the cockpit of starship enterprise while listening... 🤩🤣
I used DAT for logging radio programs. 4 or 6 hours depending on the tape length on LP speed which was perfect for FM broadcast.
Yes, the Pioneer yellow displays always meant that the unit is intended for American market, 110V, and light-blue - for European, 220V.
But the fun is that the displays themselves were really GREEN in both cases. Pioneer was installing only the glass of different color into front panel - red for Americas and deep blue for Europe. webvision.med.utah.edu/imageswv/KallColor3.jpg
a hazard on these pioneer decks (I have the ct-m6r) is that reaching in to clean the drive or adjust the azimuth puts your hand right over the unprotected mains switch connections; you should dress these with some sort of insulation first. I use the deck (& a sony c6 carousel machine) for bulk-digitising.
This was also great to record a long programme from the radio. *IF* it was able to make scheduled recordings. Quite sure it's not able to do that on its own, since it doesn't have a clock, but probably if you had a complete Pioneer system, it could do it via the amplifier through the system cable.
Yes it does do that if it is connected to a timed power source, and on the deck the "timer" switch can be turned on to play or record to suit.
I well remember back in around 1979/ 80 when an old Philips ,multi-play ski-ramp cassette deck was brought into the store I was working in, to see if we could do anything with! It was used for background music in a Chinese restaurant a few doors up the road from us.... when I took it apart, Well, you really don't want to know what was living inside the thing; it was pretty horrific!!
Little wonder that the machine didn't work! I carefully reassembled it, and then gave it back to them as non-repairable!!
Shame... it was a fascinating looking device; dropping cassettes down a slope (hence the Ski Ramp), then flipping them out after playing.
Have you ever seen one of these decks where the loading mechanism micro-switch does not contact? I have a CT-WM62R, when the tray moves into its rightmost position the switch does not touch the metal tab, so the loading motor runs for a while, then says 'error'. I was able to work around this problem by attaching some paper to the metal tab and it started working. I can bend the metal tab out with pliers, however hate to do that if there's a better option?
Bending the tab is fine, just 1 MM or 2 would do. Mine reacted well to that operation.
Some time ago, Techmoan's channel featured a multi-cassette player jukebox. I think it held about a dozen or so tapes and was on a carousel system. The tape would be pulled down into the machine for play.
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nice job man
the deck is close to thirty years old & the only fault is the belts. stop calling it cheap- it was built to a specific price point for a specific market, & now you've fixed it, it still works.
try working on a high-end deck from the same period.
duncan rmi I think he meant cheap as in utilizing simpler one motor mechanisms, not an audiophile deck. Lasting 30 years is indeed a testament to how well consumer electronics could hold up. Today, 5-10 years tops.
@@gavincurtis yep- fair comment. I'm a native speaker of european english, + I hang around on forums where people routinely disparage things that they have only seen from a distance; I recently fixed two compact technics machines for the same client- both machines half the usual width, both from the early 80s, & from opposite ends of the technics range. one a direct drive, the other with three belts hanging off the one motor. after I was finished repairing & lining them up, I made test recordings on both, which I played back in a revox deck costing probably ten times more than even the smarter of the two technics, & you couldn't tell them apart, or that the recordings came from lower-priced machines. I genuinely feel that this era- probably late 60s to late 90s- was a high point in mass-produced electro-mechanical engineering, & unless folks like us keep it alive, the skills, the craft... will be lost. :-/
i have a sansui 1330 deck everything works in grate shape but play stops after a few seconds is it worth the 90.00 dollars?
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Thanks Dave, At first I thought the unit would have 6 heads to record simultaneously. Do you notice much quality difference between regular and HIGH speed dubbing ? J K
I would imagine normal speed would be better but I was never into tape dubbing. I always looked down my nose at cassette tape.
Never ever do high speed dubbing period
I have a different model of this and the 6 cassette side and the single well side can record both.
I know there's been some time ago you made this video but I have a Pioneer CT WM 60 R 6 + 1 cassette changer and I cannot get the cassette mechanism to engage on the automatic changer into the tape I change the belts the motor and the pulleys are all working but the mechanism will not engage into the cassette tape do you have any ideas for me??
Thanks, now if my Technics deck ever needs belts, I can approach it with NO FEAR.
I really hate where the Salvation Army thrift stores puts the price tags. That glue is annoying as it gets! I'm sure whom ever located this "Gem" was surprised to find it. I've never seen this one before and the wife and I collect and do basic service on vintage audio. (Nice hobby, but can be a bit trippy for all the random issues you can find)
I have the pioneer CT-WM77R. Had it since 1992. Haven’t played the deck in years. Decided to play it. Not getting any sound. Connection is correct. Receiver ok. I’m at a loss. Any suggestions other than buying a new one? Thank you!
Check the record play switch. I'm assuming you are talking a cassette deck. I have no idea but since you posted in a cassette deck video i assume this is what you have. Switches get dirty just from atmosphere exposure.
Is that light at 05:10 mains-powered?
yes but the wires are covered in heat shrink tubing. The wire you see exposed is just a wire to help mount the lamp socket to the pole. It's clearly not energized...
Yes but the live conductors are covered with heat shrink tubing and black tape. No shock hazard.
Hey Dave, when you worked for Sony did you come across a 5 cassette changer? It's the Sony TC-C5.
No when I was with Sony I only worked on betamax. The audio guys worked on one side the VCR guys on the other and the tv guys in the middle.
jeez, how fiddly was that, and you know what your doing lol :) I take it when theses mechs were being put together in their 100`s they must have got it down to a tee` !
What a great Component! I would have bought one, IF I had known... Thanks also for your position of Value, from E-Bay! Your use Scissors, rather than diag's - is there a reason? We use a Halogen 12V, because it is White Light. Helps a LOT! BUT, our workspace is very limited, now. Your Video Quality is Good! What are U using as a Camera, plse? Our Dentist is VERY kind in his Sharing of (damaged) Dental Picks! Hope yours is the same. Planed Obsolescence... (at 31:212)?? Cheers! B&M
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I would love to send my cassette changer to you :) i have the model 77r
That's why it's called BPC "Black Plastic Crap"
I love your videos, but get some real tweezers man (they probably cost 1$) make your work easyer!
Had some. Someone stole em.
@@12voltvids I could send you pair of them, because i have like 10 but all the way from the east border of Europe will cost as you said "small fortune" ;)
@@technixbul 12voltvids, what was your favorite tape deck that you have worked on. If any? Also, where do you suggest I look for the beta alignment tape KR5-1M? Thanks
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I don't have a favorite. If it is easy to work on I am happy. I am not a fan of the ones you have to spend an hour tearing down to change a belt, like the one I have. A technics rsm275
Any information about the beta alignment tape?
There is a reason why i have never liked cd changers or cassette changers! No good quality! you pay for the changer and not sound quality! And the exchanger tends to be of less good quality!
Agreed. Plus the reality is that the joy comes from each album. Rocking each until you just gotta rock another.
This was not an issue with CD changers. They had the same sound quality as single disk changer. Cassette changers on the other hand don't have the same sound quality.
@@12voltvids ok. say a CD changer costs 200 usd. much better to spend 200 usd on a single cd player! same with cassette changer.
@@ford1546
A 200 single disk cd changer will be the exact same mechanism and electronics. A high end single disk like a Sony cdp555es would run you well over 1000 in its day. I have such a beast.