Topps Cut Up A RARE Josh Gibson Bat For a Baseball Card! | Updates On $2 Million Theft & Fake PMG
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In today's Clearing The Bases, I cover Topps / Fanatics cutting up 1 of only 2 known Josh Gibson bats for a baseball card, an update on the alleged thief who stole $2 million in sports cards, an update on the fake Michael Jordan PMG, and more sports card, memorabilia, and collectibles news!
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What do you think about Topps cutting up that bat?
Both Topps and collectors are both guilty. Topps for doing it to make a buck and the collectors who will gamble money chasing it.
I feel less annoyed than their practice of cutting up historically-significant documents, and pasting single words onto cards... but it's still a disgrace. No doubt they'll be inserting hundreds of other shavings from the bat onto future products. I'd rather one person owned the whole bat, than have a shaving of the bat sat in a binder, and the bat itself destroyed.
I would not have cut it up, but now it can be used in multiple cards for collectors to cherish when they use the rest of the bat pieces.
We all complained when donruss started cutting up babe Ruth stuff In 2003 and half turned out to be his pants so let them say it's his bat still could be a fake
If I get the card great
Mike, thanks for reporting on the desecration of Josh Gibson’s game used bat. It’s disgusting.
Josh Gibson's bats should be in museums. Not chopped up and put into cards. When I was a kid, I got a brand new NES for Christmas. If I had any idea that somebody would pay me $100,000 for it in 2024, I would have just left it in the box. $27,600 for a beat up Mickey Mantle card is crazy. The frustrating thing about that Michael Jordan card selling for $3 million is that there was probably a time not too long ago that you could have bought it on Ebay for maybe $3,000.
All good points
Yeah I'd never cut a Josh Gibson bat. Absolutely criminal
The problem with the Josh Gibson bat, and high end relics in general, is that it's most likely not real. Forget the story about it coming from his family, these stories about provenance are what people selling fakes rely on. (See the entire Barry Halper collection). The card companies for the most part don't get the best examples of these old relics, they get the cheapest examples that they can have plausible deniability to. There were a couple guys arrested years back for knowing supplying card companies with store bought uniforms as "game used". 1000s of uniforms bought as game used and put in cards. The card companies never said a word about it to their customers.
The secondary market on the Gibson bat relics is going to go crazy. This probably should have gone to the Hall of Fame though.
Exactly
Thanks for the video shout out!!!
Super Smash Bros. Was my jam growing up!! I can’t believe the graded game is worth that much!
Yeah it’s crazy
I have been despising history cut memorabilia in cards since they were first introduced. I wasn’t even collecting cards when they started that crap (during the25 year dark period) and still hated it.
I’d rather see the game used items in some old guy’s collection then cut up
Exactly
It is totally ridiculous that Topps cut that bat up. It is their property, so I guess they can do whatever they want, but as a company that has such a long history with MLB, they should recognize what it is and keep it whole. Will it make them more money over time? That is hard to quantify, since I'm not sure someone is just going to buy a future pack to get a slice of a Josh Gibson bat. In my opinion the whole intact bat would always be more valuable. A Topps executive should've just kept it for their personal collection, sorry a Fanatics executive. Hope you have a good week.
I hate cutting up legitimately rare artifacts to make baseball cards. Hate it with a passion.
On the Mantle card the centering issue is less important to me than the significant color fade. That $27k card looks like it was found on the dashboard of a Buick in a junk yard.
Yes!
Hi Mike. I think that Topps had no business cutting up that bat. I agree that the bat should have been given to the Hall of Fame. Thanks for the video.
Thanks Jim. Real bummer.
It's a crime that they cut up that Gibson bat. If anything hold a huge redemption that you can pull and redeem for the full bat. That'd put a huge bounty on that item, and would hopefully make it's way into a loved collection or the Hall of Fame.
Yes!
This is a newsletter-worthy idea.
Thank you for showing me all the stuff I could read myself, I'm lazy it is much appreciated 🤣
Haha my pleasure!
They do this in comic cards, they buy rare comics like spider-man #1 and then cut em up into comic cut cards as rare inserts..🤦🤦 I thought maybe they were just salvaging a copy with no cover or something, making use of the interiors but nope!! Horrible..
How on Earth did that Mantle get a 1!? Looks like it's been run over by a fleet of lorries!
Thank you for another informative 'Clearing the Bases'. Hope you and your family enjoy the rest of your weekend. 👍
Thanks John! I had to Google lorries 😂
If the family owned the bat and wanted to sell it, then that's their choice. However, its a shame that a great piece of history is about to go through the wood chipper.
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I hate Topps cutting up the bat and I hate them cutting up any other historic relic and putting it into cards. For modern players, it’s okay because there’s so many game used bats out there. When it’s prewar players, there’s only a few in existence. They should let the bats and jerseys whole.
Exactly
Thank you for sharing
Knowing the kind of racist Ty Cobb was, he must be stewing in his juices at the thought of Josh Gibson supplanting him.
lol
It is not cool. I feel the same way about the cut signatures from historical documents.
Yes!
I pulled a lou gehrig bat relic some years ago and I love the card but it does bother me that historical artifacts are being destroyed for profit.The Gibson is obviously super rare so I'm a bit disgusted that it got chopped up. I kind of feel the same way about rare cut signatures as well.
Yes!
I'm sorry but I'll never bever be on board with destroying of any rare historical artifact, especially one from the Negro Leagues. However, the issue isnt just Topps. It's the people who deem it acceptable by buying the gimmick and spending money to chase it. The taco fractor and the Brady baseball card are two other recent examples of gimmicks that people spent money chasing. I'll just stick to sealed wax and my PC guys, Kobe Bryant, Nolan Ryan etc. Love that 80 Ryan Thanks for sharing Mike.
I actually like some of the gimmicks, even if I would never chase them. This one is too far.
@@JunkWaxHero I prefer substance over style and value over chase cards. I do agree though way too far on this. I didn't like it even when they cut up Ruth bats.
It’s mind-boggling that this happened and the bat is not in the hall of fame.
Beckett did this with baseball a while back putting the patches in the slab with a card. I bought a lot of cards and found one of those. I originally thought it was something someone made until I looked it up and found out it was a real thing. Mine is a 2001 fleer tradition Gary sheffield Beckett 9 with a jersey patch in the corner. The funny thing about it is the card is him in a Dodgers jersey and patch is from his Marlins jersey! Thanks again for the great content!
This brings me back 25ish years when Upper Deck cut up a Babe Ruth jersey for GU cards and the out cry that followed. At the time I was against it and 25 years later I feel the same and I'm out of the hobby.
I love your show. Watch it every week. You show me things I would never look up . Keep it up please.
Thank you!
I have mixed feelings on the bat relic i but I lean towards leaving these bats alone, in a museum ideally, when very few exist. But the chase for $’s will always win whether we like it or not.
Thumbs down on the bat knob cut up. I commented on Theo's video regarding the Gibson card, I have this card and am curious to see where the prices go. Thanks for reporting the news.
I had been looking to buy one in recent weeks and took too long!
The fact he only had 2 remaining bats from playing is just further evidence for the not greatest all time camp...40 games a year.
Another great video! I am buying 2024 Bowman Mega. It is one of the only 2024 sets I am building and the "hits" I have gotten have been worth the price to me.
Nice!
If the Josh Gibson bat was going into a museum, say the hall of fame, I would be vehemently opposed to Topps purchasing it. If the bat was going to a single private collector though and was never going to see the light of day again except for a select few, then I have no issue with Topps buying the bat. Almost everyone would never even come close to owning a piece of history from Josh Gibson and now for a couple hundred of bucks I can own a piece of his bat? That sounds incredible.
This is fair
While it may be a miscarriage of justice, and some of us don't agree with it, the owner of the Josh Gibson bat can do whatever they want with it. On the flip side, many can now own a piece of history. I have a Mickey Mantle UD GU Bat card. To hold something that Mantle used doing his job is pretty cool I think. I can't afford one of his GU bats but I can afford a $100 GU Bat card (every now and then, anyway).
Thanks for reading me the news that I could have easily just spent 4 hours finding myself
lol
I have been mostly against using steroid players stats but if we are going to be all inclusive on stats then they belong in the Hall of Fame, including Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson.
Kinda surprised both of those mantles didn't just grade authentic. The one with terrible centering should have had an OC designator if it received a number grade.
Yeah the qualifiers are always a puzzle to me.
Yup not a fan either
Topps mentions how the Josh Gibson bat barrel was made into a card and inserted in 2006 Topps Sterling. Video is pretty old: czcams.com/video/WzDa5jgVV-8/video.htmlsi=puaGUOe4vHm3L7lN
You can buy any of those original Zelda & Mario Bros games complete in box for a couple hundred. Factory sealed/graded copies will always be a big premium
Please send me a link to a complete-in-box (in decent shape) original Zelda or SMB for $200.
I would rather the bat get cut up and given to people who will enjoy those pieces vs sitting unlooked at in one rich guys enormous collection.
Fair. I’d rather see it in a museum though.
@@JunkWaxHero Sure, but that didnt seem to be an option. They were selling it, not donating.
Those chopped up bat cards are now available for all collectors!! It’s cool.
As long as the HOF, or his Relatives have the other one… I bet another will emerge? ((Bluejacket 66’s Dad may have gotten ine!😊)
It’s only available to one collector still!
@@JunkWaxHero I’m assuming the rest of the bat will be turned into a thousand relic cards in the next 2-3 years!? 🤞🏼
1:27 😂 Well said, Mike! And I’ll speak on behalf of your subscribers and say, that commenter can go pound sand!
Haha thanks Sam!
@@JunkWaxHerolol you’re welcome!
As a collector of the all-time greats, i’m grateful to have one of these Josh Gibson relics in my collection. There is SO little meaningful material to collect for Gibson (essentially no autographs or playing-era issues). To me, having this bat fractionalized and put into the hands of hundreds of collectors to be cherished is certainly not the WORST thing.
It probably should have gone to the Negro League Baseball Museum in KC, but what’s done is done. At least it’ll be enjoyed and worshipped by collectors. Thats my take.
I appreciate your perspective, Al!
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How much would a game used bat be worth compared to a baseball card 1/1? Should you chop it up and make 1000 cards. You can get some pretty good value on game used stuff
Hello, I enjoyed this Sunday's video. I understand BGS is the consensus punching bag for every CZcamsr in the hobby, but you discreetly, or inadvertently, forgot to mention that Ben's PMG Jordan card passed through Ebay's Authenticity Guarantee Program. That's a big deal. The wrinkle is Ebay's AGP only authenticated the slab and not the card in the slab. Go figure. This detail piqued my interest since I have purchased cards that have passed Ebay's AGP.
Yes! I intended to do a full write up on this in last week’s newsletter but didn’t have the time. It’s a mess! I’ve been following closely.
The eBay AGP only authenticates the slab because the TPG should have already correctly authenticated the card, which BGS allegedly failed to do here. How would PSA (eBay’s AGP company) reliably authenticate a card already in a slab?
@@JunkWaxHero Hello, it is truly a mess, and I look forward to your write up. I do not have a quick answer/solution, but Ebay could have flagged the card as "suspect." I never knew Ebay's AGP only authenticates the holders of graded cards. I assumed the program was in place to verify cards. Isn't the hobby glorious?
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Zack Hample is disappointed.
I don't really get the issue with cutting up the bat... one bat will be turned into thousands of cards that people can each own and appreciate as a piece of history. What's the alternative? Someone other than Topps buys the same bat and puts it in a safe as an investment where no one can see it or appreciate it? And you can't blame Topps... if the family member who sold the bat wanted it preserved in a certain way the could have selected a specific buyer who would honor their wishes.
I still think you are related to froggy flips.
You don’t see a problem with MLB monetizing the Negro Leagues in this way? Does the money go to the families of these players? Probably not. Does it go to help poor black communities? Probably not. The fact that they included the negro leagues to then monetize players they refused to let play seems really fucked up. And it’s all probably done to target more minority collectors but something seems extremely wrong about all of this to me.
Interesting perspective! I hadn’t considered this. Thanks for commenting.