2018 Martin 000-28 and OM-28 Acoustic Guitar Comparison

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  • čas přidán 4. 09. 2024
  • How's 2018 going so far? Well, that's for another day. However, let's talk about something we all love, Martin guitars! Our own Chris McKee is going to discuss the differences between two of Martin's more popular models: the 000-28 and the OM-28. While they don't appear to be too different, subtle changes in bracing and scale length change the timbre and other aspects of the instruments. So without further ado, take the video for a spin, an let us know what you think. Play A Note, Change Your Life!
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Komentáře • 193

  • @artgallery743
    @artgallery743 Před 5 lety +30

    000-28 4:54 OM28 6:31 The shorter scale would make the stretch of complex chords easier as the frets are slightly closer together. When having to stretch your fingers, then having to be able to hold the string down so it rings through clearly is often a challenge.

    • @eurly93
      @eurly93 Před rokem +1

      except also way less space to place your fingers

    • @midnight4109
      @midnight4109 Před 6 měsíci

      @@eurly93 Easier to make chords because the frets are closer together but not the strings.

  • @oneamongall8861
    @oneamongall8861 Před 3 lety +5

    I bought a used OM 28v five years ago and the minute I pulled it out of the case it transformed me.The comfort of the smaller body and the richness of the overtones make me smile even today. Hard to put down.

  • @BrianWMay
    @BrianWMay Před 5 lety +10

    Beautifully and clearly explained. I've owned my 000-28 for over ten years and it's a beautiful instrument, I don't think you can go wrong.

  • @iridge1
    @iridge1 Před 3 lety +22

    To my ears the OM has more of what I feel Martin is famous for, great deep tone and power all over the neck.

    • @maplebones
      @maplebones Před 9 měsíci

      They're more famous for being overpriced, and both these guitars check that box.

    • @wideningcarrot6
      @wideningcarrot6 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@maplebonesstop being poor?

  • @slw59
    @slw59 Před 5 lety +21

    I just bought the 000-28 and I absolutely love it.

    • @whayneneal
      @whayneneal Před 4 lety +1

      I've played one nearly 20 years. It is a dear old friend. Enjoy it!

    • @sierinlang
      @sierinlang Před 4 lety +2

      000's are great.. i got a d28 and my dad got the 000-13... even though that guitar is half the price of mine i love it just as i love the d28..

  • @austingal9869
    @austingal9869 Před 5 lety +12

    Chris, great explanation. The 000 for me, but both were exceptional. One of these days, I’ll drive to SA and talk to you about finding the right guitar. Thanks for your reviews.

  • @MADRE-GUY
    @MADRE-GUY Před 2 měsíci

    It’s so nice to see someone do a comparison correctly same thing same thing same thing. Well done. I’ll be coming back for more.

  • @piper5johnny
    @piper5johnny Před 5 lety +6

    This was excellent!
    Professor Chris never missed a beat and explained the differences with superb clarity.
    The OM won for me but both are beautiful instruments. Many thanks for this clip!

  • @texhaines9957
    @texhaines9957 Před rokem +2

    4 years later, still good advice.

  • @jukkahoppania3847
    @jukkahoppania3847 Před 3 měsíci

    Just ordered OM 28 from our local store. That sounds so incredible. I’ve had D-18 ten years go but i sold it… Can’t wait to get my hands on that beautiful guitar and sense the senct of genuine wooden quality instrument! ❤️

  • @poguie
    @poguie Před 2 lety +2

    Great explanation and playing Chris... one of these days I'll come from Sydney, Australia and talk to you about finding the right guitar! I used to own a Martin 0028 Eric Clapton model and regret letting it go, we bought a vintage lounge suite with the money so at least I'm sitting on it every night!! Nice work though... thank you.

  • @marcrichardson8011
    @marcrichardson8011 Před 6 lety +24

    Great video. 000 for me.

    • @smallbuj7605
      @smallbuj7605 Před 6 lety +3

      Marc Richardson Same here. I feel like the triple 0 has THE sound an acoustic guitar should have.

    • @el34glo59
      @el34glo59 Před rokem

      ​@@smallbuj7605 👍👍

  • @artgallery743
    @artgallery743 Před 5 lety +3

    This is a good review, concise description and playing demonstration and minor mistake at 4:39 where he is holding the 000 but mixes up what he says. The improvement on neck, high performance neck taper 2-1/8" at 12th fret 2-5/32" at bridge at least on dreadnoughts referred to the P in model number such as for example the D-28MP or HD-28MP models which instead of the standard 1-11/16" nut width have 1-3/4" which I like. The 000-28 also used to be differentiated by narrower 1-11/16" nut width without scalloped bracing. You would have to find an older discontinued 000-28 for 1-11/16" nut width (but didn't have scalloped bracing) or the also discontinued 000-28H for 1-11/16" nut width and the scalloped 5/16" bracing.

  • @GabrieleSantoro
    @GabrieleSantoro Před rokem +1

    This could be the best comparison video 000-OM on CZcams. He explains perfectly the differences and the audio clip show them, at last!, clearly. (Me, I am for the 000)

  • @alexmontalvolarealtor
    @alexmontalvolarealtor Před 4 lety +5

    that was an excellent explanation!! I truly appreciate this video!

  • @supersalopian8530
    @supersalopian8530 Před 5 lety +42

    000 sounded a bit muddy to me. OM was still warm but not too much so, plus it has that wonderful clarity. Definately the OM for me in this comparison.

    • @guyincognito320
      @guyincognito320 Před rokem +1

      Use Tusq on a 000. So you get the easier playing but retain the aggressive sound, stronger highs.

    • @maplebones
      @maplebones Před 9 měsíci

      There is as much difference between 2 OM's or 2 000's as there is between a random OM and an 000. If you find a good one of either, buy it. If you find a dog, leave it in the shop.

  • @WhiteFlowerrr
    @WhiteFlowerrr Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you for explaining the differences, what that actually means for the sound and how it works scientifically. I’d like to see more videos like this. 😁

  • @Baci302
    @Baci302 Před 5 lety +4

    The OOO reminds me very much of Clive Gregson's sound in his acoustic sets with Christine Collister. I always wondered why some acoustics were easier to play. Now I know why. Thanks!

  • @paulspitale1585
    @paulspitale1585 Před 3 lety +1

    Chris,
    You are so very competent in your explanation of these beautiful Martin Guitars. Both these instruments have unique qualities that you, explained so very well. One of these days I will play good enough to own one for sure... I so enjoy your guitar playing & commentary .........

  • @maurocasanova9929
    @maurocasanova9929 Před měsícem

    Many difference ….om 28 is brighter than 000!
    Your video is very clear.
    I bought an Om yesterday and i’m very happy because I wanted a Martin with a bright tone and I had to choose between these two guitars

  • @bobcabo4509
    @bobcabo4509 Před 5 lety +5

    I have five 000's and one OM. They really all sound a little different because of the wood used, but I did like the projection of the OM here.

  • @rayagnew8840
    @rayagnew8840 Před 5 lety +6

    Thank you -- great comparison and really fine education on the differences between the 000 and OM. And the recordings are really helpful. Well done!

  • @bluesysamurainao4557
    @bluesysamurainao4557 Před 4 lety +3

    Nice review and performance!! I love my OM-28 standard made in around 2013. At that time I tried 000-28 as well as OM-28. As Chris mentioned, 000-28 is reimagined so that a present 000-28 is different tone. I wanna try it.

  • @davidpomella1265
    @davidpomella1265 Před 5 lety +3

    Best explanation ever heard, clear and concise....everyone can understand this

  • @gijsbertuslaurensvandevooren

    Om for me, although I like the idea of less tension.

    • @maplebones
      @maplebones Před 9 měsíci

      If you want less tension, tune it down a half tone. I like it down a whole tone.

  • @VVIan-cn5cs
    @VVIan-cn5cs Před 3 lety +5

    5:13 vs 6:51 for fingerstyle

  • @DavidGriffis
    @DavidGriffis Před 3 lety +2

    Great explanation. The 000 sound warmer for sure and the OM chimes more as you explained. I got a 000-13e and shaved off half the price.

  • @peterbonanno846
    @peterbonanno846 Před 2 lety +3

    0M-28 is simply the most beautiful sounding guitar.

  • @jasonrambler4353
    @jasonrambler4353 Před 3 lety +1

    You are an excellent communicator!!!
    Thank you for this great work!

  • @kenbina
    @kenbina Před 5 lety +15

    I'm almost certain you got something in reverse order @ 4:40. I thought the Guitar in your lap 000-28 has the warmer tone. Good review though. Very informative. 👍😃

    • @markarita3
      @markarita3 Před 3 lety +3

      Yeah, I caught that too. At 3:09 he says the 000 has the warmer sound, but then at 4:47 he points to OM and says "that one has warmer tone".

    • @Nickreds20
      @Nickreds20 Před rokem +1

      Yes! Make up your mind, man hahahaha.

    • @el34glo59
      @el34glo59 Před rokem +1

      000 sounded beautiful. Throw an Addy top on there, thinned, and you're really in business. 000-28 Custom Authentic 1937 for instance

  • @iangonzalez6478
    @iangonzalez6478 Před 6 lety +4

    You can’t beat that amazing martin tone! Awesome review chis! Can’t wait to come visit the store! Texas proud 😄🤘🎸

  • @corcaccia
    @corcaccia Před 2 lety +5

    For me, the primary reason to go to the 000 is the bendability of the short scale while fingerstyling bendy blues licks. Bending the strings is a joy on the shortscale 000, while the stiffer long scale OM has much more thrust as you play along with banjos and mandolins, or the dreadnoughts so often preferred by most teenage boys (and lots of older teenagers, too). The ergonomics of playing long sets take a toll on singers that are smaller than Dave Matthews, and the smaller Martins, like Joan Baez's 0-45 are ergonomically better suited for her posture and frame. Most of the OMs I've seen have a 1 11/16th nut, while the traditional Martin 000 has the 1 3/4 nut, preferred by fingerstyle artists like Eric Clapton.

    • @el34glo59
      @el34glo59 Před rokem

      Exactly. Also a good 000 can sound just as good, while being more bendable. Just try a 000-28 Custom Authentic 1937

  • @kennybluet5527
    @kennybluet5527 Před 5 lety +4

    Great review and nice playing.Appreciate these videos

  • @twareProductions
    @twareProductions Před 5 lety +8

    The OM's sound just has the depth that I really like. While I strum and play with my thumb, the wider neck at the nut is a nice feel actually. I have no issues with bending strings on the OM either... plus I love the look of the tear drop pick-guard.

    • @DevvDogg68
      @DevvDogg68 Před rokem

      I have never once noticed the pickguard difference until now 😅

    • @el34glo59
      @el34glo59 Před rokem

      Might as well go dread if you're going full scale

  • @JesseDylanMusic
    @JesseDylanMusic Před 2 lety +1

    Scale length is a big deal, but I think the bracing difference is a way bigger deal. When the d-35 first came out, the only difference between them that mattered was the 1/4” bracing on the d-35. People insist the three piece back makes the d-35 bassier. No way. It’s the bracing. The three piece back has incredibly negligible impact. 1/16” difference is a big difference or a d-35 wouldn’t have sounded any different. But it did.

  • @Le_Comte_De_Toulouse
    @Le_Comte_De_Toulouse Před rokem +1

    We can hear clearly the tone difference and the 000 and the OM sound absolutely beautiful !
    It is just a matter of taste actually.

  • @TheJiminiflix
    @TheJiminiflix Před 4 lety +1

    I have a 000-16GT and love it but as this video shows the OM range has a longer neck and I think that more richer sound. I would like the OM-28V personally. I cannot speak more highly for Martin, their guitars are special and make a sound that is alive and another reason why they prove their worth is they dont go out of tune as easily even from temperature changes. The wood they use is why I would choose another Martin.

  • @billberge1080
    @billberge1080 Před rokem

    Picked up a OM-28 custom modern deluxe, about two years ago. When I leave the house for a small trip, I have my dog, phone wallet and you guessed it, my OM-28. Next step it to get the Dread not version. Best time to see it, is in the morning, I do about two hours/day on it with Elixer Light strings, (tried the MARTINS BTW). Very comfortable to play, action, tone, resonance is amazing. Slim neck by the nut but, takes a capo well.

  • @dougalmuir
    @dougalmuir Před 3 lety +1

    Hi Chris, I recently bought a new 000-28 and since then I have been looking at the difference between the OM and the 000 series. Thanks a lot, your video has been great to really understand both bracing and scale. Cheers! - oh and yeah - it's gorgeously warm in tone.

  • @FrugalInventor
    @FrugalInventor Před 3 lety +4

    000-28 5:13 OM-28 6:51

  • @davidhale1568
    @davidhale1568 Před 4 lety +7

    40 years ago just after I made my first guitar I visited a local guitar shop and asked the guy if I could try one of the shorter scale guitars. He promptly told me that if the scale was shorter than twenty five and a half then it wasn't a guitar and wouldn't work ha ha.
    I knew I'd be wasting my time putting him right.....I digress the 000 sounds more personal.

  • @livingadreamlife1428
    @livingadreamlife1428 Před 4 lety +2

    Both are outstanding. I prefer the OM.

  • @wlskyrme2193
    @wlskyrme2193 Před 2 lety

    Thanks Chris, Love the reviews yall do. from U.K.

  • @kwaktak
    @kwaktak Před rokem

    Wow. I had no idea that a rosewood 000 could sound so warm. I’ve owned a long scale rosewood/sitka OM from another maker (Larrivee) and can confirm that this size body can project very well but lack the ability to be overdriven and requires a lighter touch on the right hand while having a king fu grip on the left. I also get the impression that the shorter scale length is easier on the fingers.

  • @Captain_Nightspore
    @Captain_Nightspore Před rokem +1

    Great explanation, thank you.

  • @dustinadair7893
    @dustinadair7893 Před rokem

    Where your picking makes one of the biggest tonal differences people don’t often pay attention to when comparing guitars.

  • @tjcolatrella943
    @tjcolatrella943 Před 18 dny

    Very Informative well done!

  • @emilloffler1216
    @emilloffler1216 Před 3 měsíci

    Had I seen this demo before I bought my Martin OM28V I would have definitely rather bought the Martin 00028. For the warmer sound and better bass response. Consequently I traded my OM28V for a HD28 with some cash I paid in. The bass response is decidely better, but I would still like to own a 00028 if ever I could afford one.

  • @theMarhaenist
    @theMarhaenist Před 3 lety +3

    The most selling point aspect is on the wetness of the output sound. Martin is forever winner. Nothing matches. Insane.

  • @MackDaddyVic
    @MackDaddyVic Před 12 dny

    The OM-28 is the winner to my ears. Both great sounding guitars but the OM-28 is just better.

  • @TheBeeges
    @TheBeeges Před 4 lety

    thank you so much for not making this about your guitar playing and just trying to showcase the difference in guitar tones

  • @iAmWorldsDestroyerOfDeath

    Couldn’t hear the difference on my 2005 iPhone speakers. Must sound the same in person.

  • @terrytaillard4588
    @terrytaillard4588 Před 3 lety

    Both beautiful sounding instruments. Unfortunately, none of my local guitar shops have either one in stock much less both to get an in-store comparison.

  • @mr.bumble8400
    @mr.bumble8400 Před 3 lety +1

    Both guitars sure are good to hear

  • @KateLynnBeatty
    @KateLynnBeatty Před 6 lety +4

    You can always tell an "OM" guitar from a distance by the smaller pick-guard....it meats the sound hole at a point mid-"hole where the "000" meats the sound hole next to the end of the fret board

    • @krustybuzzard2477
      @krustybuzzard2477 Před 6 lety

      Layton Beatty i have a 57 d28. That i inherited from my dad.it suprises me after looking at the different mods lately how different they are.

    • @knightman_cometh
      @knightman_cometh Před 5 lety +4

      Meets

    • @el34glo59
      @el34glo59 Před rokem

      They're completely different pick gaurds. OM has a tear drop. 000 regular shape like a dread. I never liked OM pick gaurds, but hey, they're pick-guards. No big deal.

  • @tonyz8929
    @tonyz8929 Před 2 lety

    Absolutely great call comparison!

  • @dougfitch3649
    @dougfitch3649 Před 5 lety

    You put out the best videos of this kind.

  • @Nickreds20
    @Nickreds20 Před rokem

    Hey, good comparison! But at the beggining you said the 000 has warmer sound but later you said the OM has warmer sound, Im kind of confused a bit, lol. My understanding is that the 000 has warmer sound cause of the shorter scale length and the OM is brighter and maybe a bit louder.

  • @artgallery743
    @artgallery743 Před 5 lety +2

    1/16" is not a small difference in bracing, that is 20% more wood.

  • @Andy-M.1833
    @Andy-M.1833 Před 2 lety

    Love your channel and your explanations. 👍

  • @donnareedfan
    @donnareedfan Před 5 lety +1

    Excellent comparison ... tough choice.

  • @secretcombos
    @secretcombos Před 5 lety +6

    Early in the video you said the 000 has 5/16" bracing to the OM's 4/16" bracing, but later you state the 000 bracing is thinner. 5/16" is thicker than 4/16". I'm confused. Which guitar has which bracing?

  • @azcharlie2009
    @azcharlie2009 Před 2 lety

    Your playing makes any guitar sound great!

  • @TheBoomtown4
    @TheBoomtown4 Před 4 lety +2

    I bought the om-28 because of the beautiful chime and the the balance of the guitar on every string. Once I played it I couldn’t not buy it, even though I couldn’t afford it. It’s like a harp, magic. There is a feeling with the longer scale length that nobody talks about however, yeah it’s got more string tension but to me it feels a somehow slinkier to compensate as the bridge and nut are farther apart. You can feel that longer scale length adding ease to vibrato for example. Amazing guitar. Comfortable to play as well. Literally makes you better.

    • @el34glo59
      @el34glo59 Před rokem

      I've never heard someone call an OM slinkier than a 000

    • @TheBoomtown4
      @TheBoomtown4 Před rokem

      @@el34glo59 more string tension but longer scale length, has a different feel. I can feel the longer scale length when doing vibrato.

  • @2121toso
    @2121toso Před 2 lety

    Very nice and clear explanation

  • @boilermaker222
    @boilermaker222 Před 2 lety

    So informative. Thanks very much

  • @chrisnorawitchayakul3332
    @chrisnorawitchayakul3332 Před 4 lety +1

    Love them both.

  • @nicolen.9642
    @nicolen.9642 Před 5 lety +2

    Mmmm...subtle differences...is my ear scalloped X braced or equipped with longer scaling...? Dunno but your playing is real sweet on those great guitars...👍

  • @patrickd1805
    @patrickd1805 Před 18 dny

    ill take the 000 and change out the pick guard to the teardrop om

  • @ennob1
    @ennob1 Před 4 lety +1

    nice vid. yeah, the OM takes it for me

  • @stanrubin9409
    @stanrubin9409 Před 3 lety

    Great comparison. OM for me.

  • @buskingbetty7135
    @buskingbetty7135 Před 5 lety

    Love the demo tunes you play. :-) Like both guitars.

  • @johnoffutt898
    @johnoffutt898 Před 5 měsíci

    I like the OM-28 much better. The flavors and colours are much more clearer. And the notes blend together very nicely. I need to save my monies so I can buy one.

  • @planb9453
    @planb9453 Před 3 lety +2

    Is shorter scale lenght bether for small hands?

  • @HailRider
    @HailRider Před 2 lety +1

    Discussing Martin Guitars wearing a Fender Shirt ;-) Love it!
    For me, I found the OM had a warmer and more even tone. Both a very nice sounding. I primarily play Fender and Taylor. Love the explaination. I learned something.

  • @el34glo59
    @el34glo59 Před rokem

    Idk. I'd go 000. That 000 sounded absolutely beautiful to me.

  • @jamesluther3506
    @jamesluther3506 Před 2 lety +4

    I like the short scale length of the 000-28. It just makes the guitar easier to play.

    • @guyincognito320
      @guyincognito320 Před rokem +3

      To me the most important factor is playability, and tone is secondary to that. I don't value a guitar based on how pretty an open chord sounds. It may be stiffer than I like to work with and it may require high action to sound like that. A shorter scale is also warmer but a Tusq saddle offsets that.

    • @G_Demolished
      @G_Demolished Před rokem +1

      You can recreate the short scale length by tuning down a half step and putting a capo on the first fret. There is no such way to recreate the long scale.

  • @aliceverheij
    @aliceverheij Před rokem

    What a great review!

  • @lw216316
    @lw216316 Před rokem +1

    Went to a couple of Martin dealers today (Dec 3 2022) -
    selection of new guitars limited due to covid, used guitars non-existent.
    - first played a 00-18 then a 000 that was also mahagony - the shop had no rosewood for the 00 or 000. - definitely liked the 000 better.
    They did have an om-28 and I much preferred its sound to the 000 mahogany.
    The om-28 was slightly more difficult to get barre chords but acceptable.
    I went to another store and they had a 000-28 Clapton (but not a standard). It had the mod-V neck and I did not care for it. I like to finger pick and the mod-oval was more comfortable to me.
    Then I compared the 000-28 to an om-28 but it was not a fair fight. One of the guitars had bad strings on it.
    So I have made some progress in my selection but not there yet. Maybe when the supply is better I will get to compare a standard 000-28 with an om-28 and they both have good strings. I like the feel of the short scale - easier to play , especially to make barre chords - but I like the greater volume and richness of the long scale.

  • @-R3DB4R0N-
    @-R3DB4R0N- Před 2 lety +1

    What's the name of the song which is played in the comparison? Can anyone tell me and/or give me a link? Would be really appreciated! 🙂🙋‍♂️

  • @1olddoggie
    @1olddoggie Před 5 lety +3

    Some how I missed this video. I hear the difference and love them both. I have fairly small hands. I wonder if the shorter scale length is noticeable or more comfortable with the shorter scale length.

  • @anyday82
    @anyday82 Před 5 lety +25

    000-28: 5:12 vs OM-28: 6:51

  • @paulofcpoli
    @paulofcpoli Před 4 lety +3

    i prefer the OM

  • @Tzadeck
    @Tzadeck Před 3 lety +1

    I'm finally planning to buy a Martin... why oh why can't I afford both a D28 and a OM-28? Haha

  • @titusrider7948
    @titusrider7948 Před 8 měsíci

    You should pull this video or edit it. In beginning you say 000 has 5/16 bracing and OM has 4/16, then at time 4:40 while holding 000 you say it has thinner bracing ?? The other major point, the neck widths are different. The 000 is 1-11/16 and the OM is 1-3/4

  • @afshinPROF
    @afshinPROF Před 5 lety +1

    brilliant explication.....

  • @PS-hu1yv
    @PS-hu1yv Před 3 lety

    Fantastic video

  • @orwhat24
    @orwhat24 Před 3 lety +1

    Both are Martin’s so....
    Just got 2017 OM 28 and compared it to my very similarly sized 00-18 from 1969.
    Both are Martin’s so...

  • @vickyhendricks5357
    @vickyhendricks5357 Před 2 lety

    Thanks. I want another OM with puckup

  • @joszefrviz398
    @joszefrviz398 Před 2 lety

    The OOO has it's uses but I still prefer the OM-28 all the way!

  • @andorrasrevenge1683
    @andorrasrevenge1683 Před 3 lety

    This guy nailed it!

  • @-Atmos1
    @-Atmos1 Před 3 lety +1

    The OM-28 has a purer tonal quality . Both are beautiful guitars , good video .

  • @Palo_Azul
    @Palo_Azul Před 4 lety +3

    Hey Alamo Music, if you went in blind and didnt know the prices for either said Martin's. After playing both what would you honestly recommend?

    • @ElMcMeen1a
      @ElMcMeen1a Před 4 lety +4

      If I worked there, I would recommend you buy both. :)

  • @kalvino67
    @kalvino67 Před 5 lety +4

    Does this mean that the OOO isn’t suited to alternate tunings because of string tension? I like the idea of less tension but I often drop E to D (or C). Is this still do-able on a OOO? Can I still play Joni’s tunings on a OOO? Or is the OM more suitable?

    • @noyolabassist
      @noyolabassist Před 4 lety +2

      kalvino67 I’ve owned a few Gibson acoustics that were short scale, J-185, J-100, J-45... never tuned down to C, but I play in drop D a lot and never had a problem.

  • @DanielLDees
    @DanielLDees Před 5 lety +3

    000 sounds rounder and louder.

  • @ElMcMeen1a
    @ElMcMeen1a Před 4 lety

    Excellent job!!

  • @michaelmaris7
    @michaelmaris7 Před 3 lety

    OM caught my attention more

  • @bigfurlan
    @bigfurlan Před rokem

    OOO more tight and balanced for me OM very nice as well but a bit to boomy.

  • @dandunning7731
    @dandunning7731 Před 4 lety +2

    Frustrates me that the cheapest OM you can get is in the Standard Series.

    • @ConnorJMC41
      @ConnorJMC41 Před 4 lety +2

      You could possibly get the OM GPCPA4