A Clockwork Orange - Dystopias and Apocalypses - Extra Sci Fi
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A Clockwork Orange reflects a cultural fear of society's moral decay in the 1960s. Its usage of a mashup slang language known as "nadsat" illustrates the complexities of rebellious youth culture. Ultimately, Anthony Burgess's work asks us to think about if or when free will should ever be suppressed, but the major differences between the book and the film version of this story present contrasting takeaways.
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Where the dystopias of Brave New World and 1984 warned against the easy slide into totalitarianism,
and painted for us worlds in which freedom is nearly a forgotten thing… A Clockwork Orange presents us with a protagonist who has almost an excess of freedom, and in doing so it shows us the shift in societal fears.
Next could you guys do unwind
I feel like, with all this discussion of dystopias, you guys should cover Metal Gear Solid 2, or at least the final Codec. It's both meaningful and fitting with all of these discussions.(Though I'm not sure whether it would fit better here or with the main EC series.
Umm, yeah, but you missed a really important point which Burgess discussed, which is what exactly defines "good" and "evil". IF someone is *forced* to be good, but has evil in their heart, but they are incapable of acting on it, are they good? Or merely "good enough"? If he is acting sincerely and doing bad things, is he really evil, or simply a clueless murderous A-hole? The questions proposed by A Clockwork Orange are much much worse and problematic than what you have shown here.
A great breakdown of Anthony Burgess’s novel, this could serve as a great introduction to the genre of Transgressive Fiction. Books such as Clockwork Orange, Fight Club, Naked Lunch, Crime and Punishment, American Psycho, etc. I would love to see you guys do a series on the genre!
Anthony burgess was involved with mk ultra, the book came out practically while the experiments were still underway. It seems he was conflicted or inspired enough with the experiments to drive him to write this book. The book in which alex was forced to become a good person, but in doing so lost his humanity. But once he returned to his normal self he was able to make his own decision on who he would be, rather than look good, act good and sound good( look like an orange, act like an orange, sound like an orange) but be in essence a clockwork human (mechanical- one action always equals the same reaction, that being what was designed or programmed) he was able to both retain his humanity AND be good. In the english version, alex comes to this conclusion and becomes good by his own will. In the american version, burgess was told to leave him as unfixed, returned to his vile nature and left there, americans loving the doom and gloom aspect more in their opinion. Judging on how the entire journey of the main character and the title of the book describe the clockwork essence of being forced into a shape, i would say it's more about humanity than any form of government
I remember being so confused by this book's slang when I first picked it up, but within the first three chapters it became super easy to pick up. There's something so natural about the book's strange invented language and use of slang and I highly appreciate it.
It's real horror show how the vecs in this tizzy goloss their way to all right devotchka.
It’s not a made up language, it’s actually Russian, in fact in the Russian translation, this slang is written in Latin letters instead of Cyrillic
@@leoson3199 Duhh!
Don't worry, at least the glossary at the end of the book can help you understand the language of Nadsat.
@@poweroffriendship2.0
Real horrorshow govoreeting droog!
I love that that Nadsat subconsciously acts as a form of "conditioning", which is super appropriate for the overall theme of this story.
"Horror after horror gets shown in the screen."
*Shows the Sonic Movie*
this joke didn't age well
I mean, is he wrong?
The ending of the movie was also supposed to be up for interpretation, whether or not Alex's "cure" was for the better or worse. That's what I admire about how Kubrick ends his movies
That makes sense.
Yeah. I've always kind of suspected that if Kubrick did know the original ending existed (and there's debate on that point) he would have chosen to stick with the film's ending anyway. The book ending doesn't really seem to fit his general ethos or approach to storytelling.
I believe that he died
Jason Blalock he use American version
And that is why the movie sucks compared to the novel
I thought this was going to be a video about an orange based mechanism for keeping time. On that point, I was disappointed. However, what I received was rather good.
3.5 / 5 stars.
Wot is this meme
Most science fiction book titles arent literally what the book is about
r/whoosh
@@gourmetscat
Who are you wooshing?
@@ratbat1072 r/Whoosh
"He's got a job, he drinks chai and he thinks about his future"
Finally a character I can relate to! 💎
You SAY we "have" to give up the most selfish aspects of our youth. But if you've ever seen a grown adult berating a service industry employee for things said employee can't change, unwilling to listen to reason, you'd know what not all adults have actually grown up. (I, myself, am certainly not immune to this either).
Maturity is not a function of age or integration into societal norms, but of self-reflection and self-mastery. In that way, there may, indeed, be far fewer "adults" in the world than one might realize.
yeah yeah.... some "adults" feel less grown up, than actual children.... seems like the world is controlled by "man children" and the actual grown ups are treated as children
At the end, he says "*in order to thrive*, we do have to put away the most selfish & destructive aspects of our youth". Concerning the self-absorbed person giving someone else a hard time for a minor inconvenience... are they really happy? Can they ever have more than fleeting satisfaction, if they don't change their ways?
"Is it better for a man to have chosen evil than to have good imposed upon him?"
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery" - T. Jefferson
@@NefariousKoel perfect response
@@NefariousKoel Which of course is massively ironic and hypocritical in context, given Jefferson's slave-owning status...
@@sklaWlivE Not as ironic as you'd think. I'm sure most of his slaves would've agreed with his philosophy.
The worst good is preferable to the best evil.
Whelp, that's definitely the most optimistic, glass-half-full analysis of A Clockwork Orange I've ever listened to. I'll admit I did read the original printing, and I have never seen the movie, so maybe that makes a difference...
On Netflix now.
I still maintain that Kubrick’s point with the movie is very much in the cure. Not the lutovigo technique but in the fact that we are presented with a horrible, horrible human being in Alex DeLarge. We are repulsed, horrified, and well we should be. But through watching the movie and watching the adventures and seeing the aftermath of the societal cure we think Alex has been wronged. And when Alex has the process reversed and he says “I was cured, my brothers! I was cured!” We cheer.....and we are cheering Alex being able to rape and murder again....and we should be appalled that we think that is justice.
I always think of Alex when I read Starship Troopers and the moral philosophy teacher asks “is it moral to raise a puppy, and never give it any boundaries, and then, when it passes and arbitrary age and because a dog, shoot it because it peed on the rug? No. So why do we do this with children?”
Thank you for talking about the 21st chapter. Among other things, there's divine symbolism in the book being broken up into 3 sets of 7 that's lost with the publisher's omission of the final chapter. It's so much more interesting and thoughtful when that chapter is included, so read the 21 chapter version if you have the chance!
Also if you consider 21 the age of majority....
@@Crosis101 Yes, that symbolism was intentional. The author, Burgess, confirmed that.
I read the book around 1973 to 1974, my senior year in high school. I was also taking Russian as a foreign language. The main characters use of Russian was cringe worthy for me. I always did get a laugh out of "horrorshow", anglicized version of "хорошо".
Horrorshow!
Wow, I just made the connection [facepalm]
хорошо
орошо
рошо
ошо
@@KuK137 Inspiration, like what Bog sends!
+almeisam
I actually created a playlist on my CZcams channel titled 'Xорошо!'
In the end it always felt the prison chaplain was about the closest we got to a good character but even he had his flaws. Thank you for covering one of my favorite books!
As someone that loves and appreciates not only language, but communication in all its forms, I really love the poetic feel of Nadsat. Its seemingly nonsense that, once you take the time to follow along and listen, makes absolute sense.
One great dystopia work that seems to becoming increasingly relevant is Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler, you guys should do an episode on it
0:44 that's the most disturbing part of this video haha
Sanic
true
Gotta go RAPID, GUV'NAH
@@Claymann71 Gotta go skorry
"STOP IT, STOP IT, PLEASE, I BEG YOU!!!"
Thank you so much for mentioning the final chapter and how important it is! It totally changed the entire experience of the book for me, and made it so much more powerful. PS - Listen to the audiobook, it's amazing how used to hearing the Nadsat you get, and how quickly it all makes sense to you!
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My English teacher didn’t believe I actually read the book because I “got the ending wrong”. I Didn’t know I was actually reading the original version until now.
I like how distopias point out various problems in society. We need morality, but we also need freedom. There's a balance
The last chapter sounds like the one LEAST likely to be censored, but what do I know?
maybe it's written in english instead of nadsat (I don't actually know) and the publisher finally understood.
Nah, the Americans were absolute killjoys who thought that last chapter was too happy of an ending, and they just couldn’t allow that.
wow this was eye opening didn't know the movie was based on a book let alone that last bit about the final chapter man you guys are getting me interested in reading more than I ever have been before in my life
Millenial reaction!
It's been a real long time since I've read it, but isn't there a comparison between him and some of his friends in the end? While he finds the ultra-violence of his youth unsatisfying, members of his gang become cops as a continuation of their thirst for thrills and violence.They even rough him up at one point iirc.
My 1st memory of this story is telling my friends it was my favorite movie...However! I never could remember when and where I 1st saw it. I just remember being a teen and renting it for my friends to see it too. It's so weird to have a memory like that.
This helps my writing skills. Thanks, EC!
ALSO WHERE IS MY SILMARILLION VID LIKE THE ONE YOU DID FOR THE LORD OF THE RINGS???
I second that motion
Once they finish of this season's subject and go back to the Fantasy genre. Whenever that may be.
YES PLEASE
"Man that ending sucks! Go watch the movie!"
- Thug Notes
Sorry, it popped in my mind.
I miss Thug Notes. :-(
Man, I must've watching Thug Notes last time.
I was cured alright
The slang used in this story is brilliant, and I feel part of why it still holds up today.
What was the reasoning behind leaving out the last chapter?
The ending was too good and was perceived as cliché by the Americans
"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." I don't remember much scripture from when I was a kid, but this one stuck with me.
A Clockwork Orange was a trippy movie man, I remember watching it for the first time and I never really understood it until now. Thanks!
A Clockwork Orange is a story that makes me most uncomfortable, because it makes me agree with the government. In other dystopian sci-fi it is clear that oppression and the removal of individual rights is wrong. However, the main character here is so evil in his actions that go far beyond the idea of troubled youth that I agree with the use of the “treatment” even though it goes against the idea of the rights of the individual sense of self.
But should you side when the representatives of the State indulge, and enjoy indulging in the violence they perpetrate on the criminals, as much as Alex enjoyed inflicting violence on others? Just a thought.
But you are forgetting, Alex CONSENTED to the treatment!
4:38 I feel like there should be a resurgence of Clockwork Orange today.
The narrating is so poetic
FAVORITE KUBRICK FILM, THANK YOU HISTORY CHANNEL
People may grow up, but societies never do because their members keep dying and being replaced by ignorant fools.
My favorite coming-of-age story and soooo well written🤩🤩
Who is better/more human: a person with free will but chooses to be bad, or a person with no free will and is forced to do good?
One of the most amazing choices was filming the film in and around the Thamesmeade estate on the outskirts of london. A new brutalist council estate, a functional community. Spaces that encouraged antisocial behaviour, gangs and the dealing of drugs. This estate would fit into this universe perfectly.
"I will be your humble narrator, my brothers and only friends."
A clockwork orange "has the appearance of an organism lovely with color and juice but is in fact only a clockwork toy to be wound up by God or the Devil or (since this is increasingly replacing both) the Almighty State."
It's also a play on words! The Malay word for man is Orang, and men of the bush, (Orang Utan) are ORANGE in colour! So A Clockwork Orange is a pun on the programmed man!
So Clockwork Orange is a coming of age story hunh
“Nothing is true; everything is permitted.”
Ah, a fellow Assassin, I see.
I hope that Extra Credits will make a video about Alamut...
Honestly there is so much more the British novel has over the movie
Great episode as always. Hope next time they will cover “A New Utopia” by Jerome K. Jerome, probably the Oldest Modern English dystopian story.
I always imagined A Clockwork Orange and Robert A. Heinlein's I Will Fear No Evil sharing the same universe.
i wonder what's the original ending now
because i feel like this ending was wayy too forced for a dystopia that gives you that amount of freedom at the start
id recommend you just read the whole book on the way, its very fun
You know something is wrong when THIS is your comfort book
That's me, it's my comfort book
Started on Extra History and Mythology now here
I'm actually early, for once.
I just want to say I love Extra Credits, that's all :)
^ Me too!
No you don't
When l was a young pup the Kubrick film creeped me tf out.
When l finally as a mature adult got the opportunity to read the book?!
No more creeps.
Occasionally l call my coworker "My droogs". No one gets it 😢
After seeing this video "I was cured alright" also love the Zarya Cameo
Ah yes I remember the days of my youth. Spent beating and terrorizing unsuspecting innocents and raping all kinds of women... But alas I too had to grow up.
Now I know it was all allegorical but still come on. It's funny to just have someone grow out of all the genuinely horrible things Alex did. So I think Kubrick's ending is more realistic.
"Mom! Can we have Nadsat?"
"Aw, c'mon dear, we have Nadast at home!"
Nadsat @ Home:
"My edging sigma is sus, but at least they got that skibbidi ohio rizz!"
I just watched it the other day for the first time ever and I remembered your video here that I had watched so I re-watched this today to figure out what was different cuz I remember you saying something was different now it makes sense, thanks!!
In Blue Thunder, Malcolm McDowell threw up each time he exited the helicopter. He has portrayed murderous characters, but there is no way that he could ever be a psychopath.
"And horror after horror rolls on the screen."
I find it hilarious that you referenced the horrible abomination that is Sanic the Hedgehog.
You could do a video about Swedish author Karin Boye and her amazing novel "Kallocain"!
I've seen A Clockwork Orange a couple of times, but just couldn't relate to it. I've tried reading the book but not gotten past the first chapter for the same reason. This synopsis helps me wrap my head around it.
5:34 Lmao them hats are ridiculous.
Nice touch.
For just a glorious second I thought this was a video about cannolo murolo :c
*Sees a Clockwork Orange in the Title*
I'm singin' in the rain
Just singin' in the rain
What a glorious feelin'
I'm happy again.
I'm laughing at clouds.
So dark up above
The sun's in my heart
And I'm ready for love.
Let the stormy clouds chase.
Everyone from the place
Come on with the rain
I've a smile on my face
I walk down the lane
With a happy refrain
Just singin'
Singin' in the rain
Dancin' in the rain...
I'm happy again...
I'm singin' and dancin' in the rain...
Started reading, thanks for the recommendation.
Oh thanks dudes this book is one of my favorites, awesome vid too!
Viddy well, my brothers. Viddy well. I read CO when I was 15. Burgess was brilliant. His two volume autobiography is a must read.
FANCY a bit of the ol' 'in-out in-out', with some weepy young devotchka droog? Real savage like?
This is great! I watched clockwork orange two days before I saw this......is it weird that clockwork orange is actually one of my favorite movies
Using youth culture is a very interesting concept can't wait for another style of these books to use Gen Z slang
STOP IT! I BEG YOU!
@@deanspanos8210 lol bro u mad? XD
God, I want to die.
The entire point was to invent slang rather than use existing terms.
НЕТ! НЕТ!
Real horrorshow o my droog! Really tolchoks my chellovek!
It’s inventions like the internet that prove that the more freedom you give a community, the higher highs and lower lows said community produces.
They cut the ending of the book....
Well guess, i have to read the book now, great episode.
Fascism: "You've beaten me! Now you only have to fear... SOCIETAL DECAY!"
*laughs like mad as people pick up fascism because they're afraid of young people*
Anthony Burgess was a great author!
Why would Americans cut the last chapter?
The "orange" is not about fruits or colours but about apes :-D
*_"But then I viddied that thinking is for the gloopy ones and the oomny ones use, like, inspiration and what Bog sends._* *_For now it was lovely music that came to my aid, there was a window open with the stereo on and I viddied right at once what to do."_*
So glad you guys talked about the 18th chapter
21st.
A book that becomes more relevant with time
Is it a clockwork orange like the colour, or clockwork orange like the fruit?
I say the orange...he looks like a living thing, but is a machine on the inside. But I don't know if it'd because he's a psychopath or because he was brain washed and is now little more than a robot.
I HAVE TO READ THIS BOOK!
You pronounced čaj very well
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Best
A novel of my top 10 favorite!
Ready for some ULTRAVIOLENCE
The publishers cencored the book, for WHAT? Because the main character grew up?
Worst. Reason. To. Censor. Ever.
Boo to them, I'll just buy a British copy.
...Maybe because 'evil' character didn't get punished and just... like, 'move away scots free' offend American Cultural Responsibilities?
@@rusdanibudiwicaksono1879 - I guess I could understand that... Except, If I remember my cliff notes version, he did get punished. Part of what Extra Scifi didn't cover (or was it in the movie version only... my memory kinda sucks) was that the person being "cured" WAS the main character, and the process to "cure" him rendered him incapable of enjoying classical music, something he once liked.
@@rusdanibudiwicaksono1879 As I recall, the cut chapter is also the one where the "unpunished" Alex (spoilers below the cut)
Gets his head beat in by one of his former victims, yes? Mayhaps the censors were only told secondhand what the chapter entailed.
@@rusdanibudiwicaksono1879 Fanatic individualism is my guess. At least on one hand, possibly what you said on the other.
I've only ever watched the movie, and i remember the first time i saw i didn't get it was supposed to be set in the distant future but rather just regular 60' with a twist 😅
1:38 I love it when my head is a different color then my hands
Oggity woogity boogity
Great job your the first comment 🏆
Wow, I never knew about this final chapter... completely changes my perspective on the book. I need to read the book again with the final chap intact. Can anyone help?
Re: Nadsat it's worth pointing out that Burgess adored Finnegans Wake and wrote extensively about this Joycean UR-tongue
The droogie costumes were big at Fasching in 1973.
Ahhhhh, my beautiful Droogies.
Everyone uses military grade encryption. It isn't a selling point. It is easy to implement.
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Dam I just watched the movie earlier today
Ohh that what Clockwork Orange is about. I have only ever seen the meme with the prisoner strapped down with his eyes forced open.
Read the damn book, you philistine...
The first second of the video told me I was in for a ride.
Great video on a classic!
When are we going to get some Zoey merc? I want a Zoey T-shirt.
Guys! GUYS! You NEEEEEED to do A HITCHHIKERS GUIDE TO THE GALAXY!! It has SOOOOO much to say about society and how transient and absurd it all is. Every theme explored in this series on dystopias; Bureaucracy, Religion, War, Pop culture, Mans place in the universe, - even commentary on Finance, Love and Neuveau Reiche Art are addressed in H2G2! And it all happens after the world is LITERALLY DESTROYED. (Can't get any more apocalyptic than that!)
So C'mon, I promise it will be mostly harmless, and we'll all learn a thing or two, (or 42) about Life, the Universe, and Everything.
Ok, I'll say good bye, (and thanks for all the fish!)
"There is no freedom, without rules"