“Gamergate 2” will FAIL and it will be YOUR fault. | 'Optics' Never Matter
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- The movement known as “Gamergate 2” has been in the news cycle for quite a while now and while this video will serve as a way to catch people up to what exactly this movement is.
The real subject matter of today's discussion will be instead a critique of how those in this moment and similar conduct themselves
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Timecodes:
00:00 - Backstory & Leadup
02:22 - The Failings of the Orignal Gamergate
06:56 - Enriching an Industry
16:19 - Wolves in Sheeps Clothing
20:46 - The Road Forward - Hry
Surely appeasing the people who hate you just a little longer will make them stop hating you any moment now?
I love Minnie May
The corrupt industry: just shut up and and take the trash we give
My reply: czcams.com/video/hBQ-4kMt5QI/video.htmlfeature=shared
I have another reason why and it's for the same reason a right winger named The Distributist tried to warn Sargon of Akkad about fighting against the far-left back in 2016: lack of institutional support from both universities and governments. Because both institutions are mainly run by a coalition between far-leftists and neoliberals who support an ideology called globalism, they will use power to obfuscate and go around the 1st Amendment to crush decent against their moral worldview. This is even worse when many large companies agree and partner with the politicians to skirt around the 1st Amendment using the "private company" argument. The neocon Republicans also support many of those policies. There is a reason more right wingers refer to those politicians as the "uniparty".
It's hard to express this when censorship in the comments section is rising.
If my long reply is missing, please sort the comments.
How about, dont be naive, and more importantly. DONT BE WEAPONIZED NAIVE.
Funny enough, when Kindred insulted Toriyama, he automatically became an enemy of a large chunk of Latino America because we loved Toriyama. Seriously, most of the replies came from furious Latinos; if there's anything that Latin Americans hate more than each other, it's the term Latinx and people who insult Toriyama.
It is amazing how the entire latin america loves Dragon Ball. Like, not even talking about weebs, people whose ONLY anime is Dragon Ball and that is almost their religion.
Truly a coincidence that a lot of Journo publications released an article about the “Hard R” graffiti almost within minutes of each other.
Nah nothing to see here. Truly isn’t similar to when they released multiple articles within minutes of each other proclaiming that “gaming is dead” and that “gamers aren’t your audience anymore” way back when the original movement started.
Wouldn’t be the least bit surprised that this (“Hard R” Graffiti) was coordinated in some special chat group or exclusive journo mailing list where they conspired to lob as much slanderous shit about this game as they can.
Exmilitary pfp hell yeah
@@SuperSpeedRaven1 if you notice, he’s also wearing those glasses that the Cruelty Squad MC is wearing.
when the beat drops I will get noided 😩
@@wayofthemasterlord8357 that's so rad
@@SuperSpeedRaven1it is yea, thanks Habibi.
apparently the majority of these sites are owned by the same parent company, so stuff is certainly coordinated to release on the same schedule. Saw a video on it by fireb0rn
They literally do the “see see I depicted myself as the Chad and you as the loser” but with wholesomeness
“The concept of humanity is an especially useful ideological instrument of imperialist expansion, and in its ethical-humanitarian form it is a specific vehicle of economic imperialism. Here one is reminded of a somewhat modified expression of Proudhon’s: whoever invokes humanity wants to cheat. To confiscate the word humanity, to invoke and monopolize such a term probably has certain incalculable effects, such as denying the enemy the quality of being human and declaring him to be an outlaw of humanity; and a war can thereby be driven to the most extreme inhumanity.”
― Carl Schmitt
"Who invokes humanity intends to decieve" -Schmitt
How can we fight in a debate when the content of our words does not matter, but the emotions and labels attached by others do?
We live in the time of the emperor's new clothes, but when the child yells "the emperor is naked" he is shut down and called a porn addict who hates every single minority?
Piracy. Don't want to listen to our words? You don't get our money. If buying your game isn't owning it, then pirating it isn't stealing it.
>"How can we fight in a debate"
There never was a debate. These people never cared about any sort of discussion, their goal was to control other people through intimidation and shame. Why do you think they always resort to accusations of bigotry before actually engaging with the subject matter?
The only way to win is by not playing at all. Just do what you enjoy doing and dismiss their worthless asses. I know it's hard to ignore them, due to humans being social creatures and all that, but not caring about what other people think about you is just something you gotta learn to do if you wanna go anywhere in life.
After all, do we really care what the literal whores at kotaku think?
@@espurrseyes42 Modern western games aren't even good enough to pirate, and it's been shown that more and more people would rather play old games than buy more recent ones.
Voting with your wallet is important, but people are already, loudly, doing that and it's not enough on its own.
Simple: win
Might makes right
There was never a debate, they don't actually care about the conversation, they just care about controlling others through shame and intimidation.
Btw, I dunno why youtube keeps deleting my comments. Is this a glitch or something?
"Never forget what they took from you"
Senran Kagura still hurts, those silly little sexy ninja games were truly something special.
"You aren't winning a factual argument against a group whose sole tactic is emotional manipulation. Focus on what actually matters instead of trying to prove yourself to the people who will never accept anything less than total compliance."
Couldn't have said it better myself
Good thing we don't need to then.
When the idealogues made the jump from games Journalism, to making games, they sealed their fate. It's real simple: You're not getting me to pay 70 bux to play Forspoken, Sushi Squad, or SW Outlaws. That just isen't happening. Simple as.
And looking at how these games have performed, i am certainly not alone.
We can't reason with the beast, but we can definately starve it.
We're just at the start of this thing, so there's no point counting chickens just yet. We can decide if GG2 was a W or an L after we see the sales numbers for upcomming woke titles over the next couple of years. That's where the fight is won or lost, and my wallet has been training long and hard to lie dormant and unopened on my desk.
Exactly. They don't care about facts at all
Yeah "optics"... as the saying goes "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"....
Well.. so is bad PR. PR is only good or bad if the viewer sees it that way. These recent virtue signaling attempts often get totally ignored or even derided because it's obvious to the viewer that it's not genuine. It's obviously meant to elicit a positive opinion, but it slips the mask and shows people why NOT to believe them.
A smear campaign isn't gonna ruin someone if the viewers don't believe it.
And that's another thing. these scumbags are liars through and through. You can't have a factual argument with someone who makes up everything as they go along.
@@Grobut81wasn't there a game that came out about African culture made by someone who didn't know anything about it and hired western consultancy firms to do it? Rather than an African one?
@marhawkman303 they lie because they believe to be the good guys, these people actually think about looking like good people rather than being good people that they started believing in their insane ideas.
The 2020s really is just a direct sequel to the 2010s.
Gamergate for a modern audience.
These remakes are so lazy and unoriginal
@@xiiiunmetal bruh, even god is just reusing material now, what is this...
Except there wad at least some good around the 2010s. Now there's barely anything.
@someguy9175 inb4 God decides to remake 1933 for modern audiences
“That’s just going to get you called an Uncle Tom.” I hate how true this is. Of course I want more characters in media who look like me or people from other cultures. What I don’t want is some authoritarian stereotype to be forced fed. It’s incredibly ironic how these faux-progressives will be fast to place you in a box of how you or others who look like you are supposed to act rather than just accepting you for who you are. It’s beyond frustrating.
Yup. That's called _racism. Never_ let them forget how racist and sexist they really are. Don't accept their definitions, for therein lies the trap. If they can define the terms, they can easily win any argument, but only if you buy into their BS definitions. Become the thorn in their side. Become the gadfly that gets in their eyes,. Become the wasp stinging them every chance you get. Make them hate you even more than they already do. Why did Grummz receive a threat on his life? _Because he's effective._
When dad pokes his head in and asks, "Are ya winning, kid?" reply with , "Aw, yeah, Dad. I'm winning like there's no tomorrow." Eat 'em and smile.
In your copious free time, you might consider finding and reading the book _Wasp_ by Eric Frank Russell. It's a science fiction novel about how to wage asymmetric warfare to bring down entire planetary governments.
They NEED the stereotypes... or they can't file people into boxes to be exploited.
We want characters, not mouth-pieces
The only thing those people think about is their fear of socially ostracized.
You can see that the don't like those changes but they won't say anything "unpopular".
"Hey, why did they race swap this character? He wasn't black"
"Omg! Are you racist?! Do you have a problem with black people existing?! They deserve to be represented!"
And then you just shut up because you don't want to be known as someone you are not, yet you still know there is a problem of hypocrisy going around.
thats the classic fence sitter
Yup
well, you know how the old gamer saying goes "the only hit point that matters is the last one." you only lose when you can't fight anymore, stand strong folks.
Send this video to the Brazilian guy who started the SBI group he needs to see this and spread it to his groups. Remember, spreading the message and speaking about it is massive.
"we're really proud of our work"
"Cool can you point to it?"
"👿 HOW FUCKING DARE YOU"
They would just point to saga anderson from alan wake 2 or some other well received inclusivity change
@@mat2th That's the most galling part. Their work doesn't have to be shitty or handicap visuals or storytelling. Like, this could be a victory lap for them rather than a hall of shame.
@@mat2ththat’s the insidious part about this whole thing. Like the spiderman dev clip pointed out. They push these things into popular stuff, so then people automatically associate it as being a good thing or okay. For example, Arcane’s a hugely popular show but they turned a cute punk tomboy into being a butch punk lesbian changing a friendship between women into sapphic fan fiction territory, but because the show is overall good people just give it a pass.
Huh, I swear this shit sounds like classic neoliberalism, but in more adequate terms, feudal-monarchy-religious-style authoritarianism... where the corporations are > the workers, and only the corporations get to take credit for their work, but workers are never allowed to have control of, or even make mention of how difficult their work is cause it's "ungrateful" to show any emotions other than gratitude that you can even be allowed in the company you're working in the first place... Basically, speak anything that shifts the focus away from god, and you're a heretic, in 'radical' terms.
"How dare, a servant, of this regime we call a company, express ingratitude! We pay them money, yet they dare do an action as simple as point at their work because we asked them to do so! Truly disgraceful heretics! They must know their place which we constantly shift lower and lower until they cannot even point anything at anyone anymore, cause we don't want our workers to do our bidding, we just want them gone as soon as possible, whether that requires chipping away at the system that forces us to pay them, or coercing them into thinking we're on their side! There will be NO MORE competition!"
I've said this for a while. If GamerGate 1 was a failure, there would not be a GamerGate 2.
For all the shit anyone can sling at the original, it definitely mainstreamed and cemented the idea that games journalists were corrupt hacks. That was the original goal, Sargon declared victory, GG wins. I saw that real time way back when which is why him lamenting that it lost is so disheartening, he himself has forgotten his past.
Even if GamerGate 2 doesn't fix the industry, it has now been mainstreamed that this is an issue in some capacity. This is a W, we would be dumb to forget this. It is now open to talk about it.
A phrase I remember lately. "If they had already won, their propaganda would be unnecessary." The journos and consultancy firms are in late stage propaganda, the kind designed to demoralize and humiliate people into accepting it. This is not a comment on their capture, but rather the amount of tools they have left. They can have all the institutions in the world... but so long as someone is talking about this, they can't rest. And I relish in that fact, still repping the original in servers and social media I'm in, complete with a backlog of evidence that leaves most people nowadays scrambling to support the harassment narrative and failing.
If GG1 failed, it's largely because no one knew the scope of what was at play. Now people do, what with ESG scores and BRIDGE being a known thing. We can afford to fight more offensively now simply because we have a clue what to actually do.
Exactly, the purpose of both Gamergates is to inform and expose these corrupt hacks for what they are, to damage the fake image they try to present to the public. Any societal changes caused by it is just an added bonus.
And we are obviously succeeding in some way. The reason why all the psychotic activists are panicking now is because more and more people are talking about them and the unprofessional, harmful, and toxic behavior they have been engaging in. Heck, the inciting incident for the current incarnation of gamergate was them getting angry over a Brizillian man simply pointing out the existence of a consultancy group. He didn’t make any accusations at them or try to debate them, all he did is point out that they exist, and they lashed out like mindless wild animals. They don’t want people to talk about them or the things they do, because it hurts the image they want to sell. We don’t need to beat them in an argument, we just need to keep talking about them and shining a spotlight on them for others to see.
Exactly, the purpose of both has always been to inform and expose these hacks for what they are, to talk about them and make it mainstream to discuss their horrible actions. The objective of the movement was never to change the minds of these people, because nothing we say will ever change their minds. These psychos aren’t doing this because they misinformed, they are fully aware of how wrong they are and are doing it anyway out of malicious intent, so there would be no point in trying to get them to change.
Good post. I've never understood people thinking "we" won GG1. Knowing your opponent is wrong is not a win, it's an ego buff.
Both "Gamer Gates" were/are about (a) the _perception_ of the wider (non-gamer) part of society, and (b) about the content, packaging, and profit model(s) of games. After GG1, all three got steadily worse from the gamer perspective.
I wrote this after the "HD-2 victory" over Sony, but it's just a minor tactical success. We _could_ win this time, but we've barely started.
Trying to find a decisive battle often loses the war. Just ask Japan on how their sole focus on fighting the Americans in WWII hinged on this large land-sea-air battle where their side would win out.
We just have to hop island to island until we corner the bastards. Even if it means several more "gamer gate" battles, pushing forward slowly while consolidation is key to victory.
Sweet baby is one tenticle...Bridge is next followed by Blackrock and Vanguard. Then after them it's whoever else is trying to push this crap.
@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 Agree. We could, and _should_ organize for a "long game".
Most of the _difficult_ infrastructure (e.g. mass communication) is in place already.
But (as with military endeavors), organization is important. We're at least 25 years behind in that.
IMO, if we get started on an effective path we could catch up in a year.
Trusting Sony/Playstation of all companies out there to release a game like Stellar Blade unchanged was naive from the start. They're almost entirely responsible for the Senran Kagura Series being essentially dead. The moment Shift Up took the Sony money it was over.
They should have gone with Microsoft to get uncensored releases on Xbox and PC, and deter Microsoft from their recent decision to jump aboard the woke train in solidarity with Soyny. Wake up, Xbox, you're the grown-up gamer brand, not a Sweet Baby box for babies! #SonyCheck #MakeXboxGreatAgain #NoPlayStation6
Moral of the story is that if you truly want your games to be uncensored, make your own website for it, because these big name companies won’t support your game if you want full creative freedom.
@@autobotstarscream765 Microsoft has butchered the Rare IPs, so I don't give them too much credit on that front.
@@Take22952 Freedom of the Press only exists for those who own the presses.
Voting with your dollar is the easiest method but a drop in the ocean at the end of the day. The best method is contacting companies directly. Sending real physical mail (or at least emailing) and yes, even picking up the phone.
You’d be surprised how few people it takes to change something when there is a real human interaction behind that change. It’s how the other side did it, so let’s use their own weapon against them.
The other side has a legal and academic framework that actively cooperates with and subsidizes them. They were swimming with the current and you will not be. It is illegal to be based. I'm not advocating for inaction, but when you've taken all the ground you can with consumer activism and you see how far you still have to go, I just want you to understand why.
@@MasterDecoy1W Nothing truly worthwhile in life comes easy. That just means we need to fight harder and maintain high morale. Because our success will mean a better future.
We are fighting against cultural vandalism, political maneuvering, and censorship. They want us to just give in to nihilism and despair. All of this is intentional, so we are easier to control. I used to think it was all just incompetence, but clearly there is much more going on here.
If see all this as intentional and know it’s intentional but you just give up cause “people are idiots” then you’re a weak willed person unwilling to stand by your beliefs in the face of backlash.
@@littlebabyman8494 That's why I'm doing what I can to fight this. I'm working on some projects and trying to get the word out about what they are doing. There isn't a whole lot I can do with my current situation, but I'm not giving up.
@@Cerebrum123 wasn’t aimed at you specifically, it’s just someone came to mind when reading your comment.
@@littlebabyman8494 I misunderstood then. It happens more than I would like to admit.
Demoralization is the first step of the communist revolution.
Funny how you can start a site for tracking streamers who play the wizard game, try to get a guys steam account banned for pointing out what games SBI worked on, or even slander someone to the point of [self imposed cessation] and you don't ever have to worry about their "optics". But if some rando who nobody ever met or talked to joins a discord server tracking what games SBI has worked on and hawks slurs for a few minutes before getting banned, suddenly we all need to have a serious discussion about "optics".
On the Gravity Rush not being pushed thing, it genuinely would not surprise me if some of these people would say "Fun games is racism because it's based on a heteronormative white male standard for what constitutes good game design"
I've seen people on twitter once claim that having nostalgia makes you a racist and a fascist. Their logic goes something along the lines of "there was more bigotry in the past, wanting to go back to those times or thinking old times were better means you were fine with there being more bigotry".
@inendlesspain4724 Ah yes, I believe that was _a quote from Karl Marx in the Communist Manifesto._ You can't make this shit up!
@@inendlesspain4724 after the stuff with the Smithsonian claiming that something like "being on time" is a white construct because somehow other ethnic groups experience time differently nothing really surprises me anymore
Honestly id be happy with a full on games market crash at this point, a reset is needed clearly
This is a good reminder how the focus should be on how these people are hate filled grifters. Don't worry about what they call you, they will always find a way to hate.
Very true. Hatred neither knows nor cares for anything else except its object.
"You aren't winning a factual argument against a group whose sole tactic is emotional manipulation". This right here 💯💯💯
This is why I've grown to distance myself from social media and some people in the real world. Facts are seldom the prime focus of a lot of discussions/debates. Feelings matter more than facts and reallty..
calling out the manipulation and blindly exposing the truth while creating you own media to replace them and applying for jobs like cm and climbing the ladder destroying their ability to infect is the best method.
this fundamentally misunderstands what's going on here
no one is trying to win over the sjws
this is about informing non-sjws that they are being attacked by sjws.......
Meanwhile, joining twitter was what got me to grow out of being a flip-flopper. Getting to see how these people really think and, through first-hand experience realizing that, no matter how nice you are to them or how much care you put into your arguments, you're gonna get the same rude, aggressive and emotionally deranged responses and accusations from them, got me to take a more firm stance about protecting what I love and believe in.
my reply got shadowbanned v_v ....
this fundamentally misunderstands what's going on here
no one is trying to win over the socjus's
this is about informing non-socjus's that they are being attacked by socjus's.......
@@inendlesspain4724 plankton: CORRECT! >:)
you should look up kirsche, who is a vtuber fervently talking about the connections of esg, and all the companies mentioned in the video to a company called bridge
Practically no one talks to Kirsche, because they shrug off BRIDGE as harmless or "just another ESG company", not understanding what it really is. I wait for the day she can stand up and just roast everyone.
Bridge, Blackrock, the WEF, and more are all connected to this nonsense.
@@okairo I saw her Bridge stream, thought she was great and was then surprised that she still colabs with other Phase members. Man I thought they would have been made to disavow her loooong ago. Good on them and the fishman I guess
@@frankburnstein1195 Pippa would eat Fishman alive if that happened, and I think he knows it.
And Sakana is quite lax compared to Hololive and other corporations. I think he's fine letting them do whatever, so long as Phase doesn't get sued at the end of the day.
Likely the reason they won't bring Kirsche as an official member. She'd give Tenma a run for her money in scaring the Fishman, but in a more "I have to keep an eye on her all the time" kind of way.
@@okairoTo his credit, TheQuartering shouted out Kirsche and spoke about bridge not too long ago
IMO, GG1's main fadeaway was a mixture of how many people kept on wanting to appear at the spearhead of things + how many "operations" to do things, like emails and what not, were hyped up and then given so little commitment and followthrough. And people already chomping at the bit for announcing GG2 is happening when we have a general shift happening because the money is drying up. Google's firings should already be a clear picture of that. Kotaku switching to game guides while one employee had to armtwist her way into being allowed to continue to write besmirching tabloids is another notch.
To put something in one of their clickbaity headlines: "The recessive economy is making companies buckle on social issues; """""""and that's a good thing""""""" ".
Blindly focus on the truth, calling out hypocrisy, and embedding yourself into the gaming industry because if we do this enough we can kick them out.
I’m getting rather annoyed by the people who are apathetic to DEI occasionally calling out its worst examples but then shaming people who call it out more consistently, even in its more subtle cases, for being “cultural warriors” and “just as bad as the activists/other side.”
This stuff always starts off small, and is allowed to grow because people tolerate it. The reason people might be a bit too quick to get out the pitchforks now is because of pattern recognition.
This^ the people who are legit a bit trigger happy are the direct product of the villains who created this mess in the first place people who have the audacity to call them just as bad are victim blamers, at best and infiltrators at worst.
@@GodOfOrphans For sure. While it is frustrating that some people jump the gun and call things “woke” when they aren’t necessarily so, I can’t really blame them since we have been inundated with this crap for so long.
Normal functioning person seeing a graffiti: "ah, it's saying "harder", I get it"
Terminally online MFs: RACISM DETECTED
Who exactly are you talking about SJ w's or anti SJW. Cause I know depending on circumstances both can be like that
Honestly, I see it more as a joke of the game getting a "hard R" rating because of its willingness to be sexually edgy and in your face.
I don't think anyone was calling the developers racist or bigots. I just saw people pointing out how they unintentionally wrote something that didn't translate well in America.
@@kasi4363 well I am polish, in the 29 years of my life I only saw a black person twice, so all the racial connotations this might have is lost on me.
@@Amelanduil I get that. This has always been an issue with localizations. Some things just don't translate well to other countries. Especially when ratings boards lack a global standard.
Because Gravity rush was made by a full JP team with no Western values forced in.
The studio is literally named "Japan studios" and is set in Tokyo. You can't get more japanese than that.
"In this Urkle-fication" - Dimitri
This line is amazing and the reference is wonderful.
I used to say that some people would consider the Sorceress from dragon's crown lolicon bait as a joke to exaggerate how dumb antis are when they try to label anything as loli to use as ammo to attack people for liking games and anime.
I didn't realize that actually happened.
They've taken the association between traditional beauty and youthfulness to deranged extremes.
You know how it is:
"You like big breasted women? You porn addicted pervert!"
"What, you like small breasted women, too? You PDF!"
¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
This why we need gatekeepe flip floppers.
and start getting jobs as translators, community managers, etc.
@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 literally telling someone to get a job, to make positive change.
@@flamestoyershadowkill6400recapturing the flag
@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 create your own, 99 out 100 of us will fail, but the 1 who makes it, we must PUSH HIM HARD, to create a new industry and gatekeep from the old guard.
the most vile of creatures yes....
Can not stand people who will call out these useless cosultancy firms and bad writing caused by them, but will also turn on you the momment you suggest that changing an astablished character's skin color/sexuality is dumb and performative.
the "muh both sides" fence sitters are truly detestable slime yes.....
@@iamLI3 Seems like you're too much in this culture war if you think that.
Maybe it is but it depends on how they treat the character after the change.
@@mr.brooks6805 you have fun with your fair weather friends then......
@@iamLI3 My friends aren't fair whether you really should stop watching a bunch of anti SJW grifters because they messed up your brain and don't realize people are more complicated than that.
"Personally Im just here to push gaming industry off a cliff." - Rei Ryghts.
I will never forget Senran Kagura
#NoPlayStation6
To be fair to Eric July he has been made more aware recently with the japanese esg approach recently so at the very least hes more well informed about that stuff especially with the deal with companies like Capcom.
Pretty decent video, though.
Hardly anyone takes gaming journalism seriously anymore. I hope to say the same about DEI consulting five years from now.
If video games as a medium "dies" over grifters co-opting it, I'm more than fine with it at this point. These people are always obvious, you either buy into their bullshit or you see through it and deal with it accordingly.
The only people still bringing up GG are people who were responsible for fucking it up in the first place.
70+ dollar games, mtx, forced updates, always online, kernel level anti-cheat, invasive drm, apealing to investors rather than customers, and nepotism are enough to kill gaming in the next few years
@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 They're gonna reach a point at which AAA gaming will have to survive off braindead whales, because even your typical mobile gacha game doesn't get as ridiculous as the modern AAA industry.
Gamergate was pretty much doomed from the start by it’s own concept.
It's funny how these companies are trying to make characters be less stereotypical and yet they unintentionally create new stereotypes as a result.
Yea, and you can really tell when something has been worked on by them, especially when you compare with another work that talk about the same topics but is instead written by someone who truly cares. It is such a night and day difference.
People naming it "Gamergate 2" was the biggest mistake. That's what the gamejournos wanted, an easy target.
journos are the ones who started to throw the GG2 name around first
@@an2qzavok Exactly. That's what the gamejournos wanted and those taking part in "GG2" fell for it.
4:50 Small correction, Sony is definitely NOT a Japanese company anymore. Sega on the other hand... continues to find new ways to disappoint as another company that isn't what who grew up with anymore.
Soyny of Commiefornia gone full Hollyweird, never go full Hollyweird. #SonyCheck #NoPlayStation6
@@autobotstarscream765 Being honest, Playstation's controllers are the only good thing about their consoles (hence there being people with Dualsense pads, but no PS5 units).
The true problem has always been centralized capital (harbouring in Wall Street), but the nonsense will continue as long as capital makes money easily and quickly.
"They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off." -Hosea 8:4 King James Version, Public Domain
A lot of the old GG became complacent, saying how it's already over, or not to be a culture warrior.
They don't want to fight since they already etched out their foothold. Much like how hacks like Arin Hanson saying racist jokes are the worst thing, while having done so, saying he's "grown up" while being extremely immature.
They'll push up the ladder up so no one can follow.
They basically create a non-existent problem that only them have a solution. Great video.
The mechanism here is well known, and derives from a perversion of the Hegelian Dialectic. _Problem:_ create a problem. _Reaction:_ wait for public outcry in reaction to the problem. _Solution:_ present a "solution" already prepared which will not solve the problem, but will, instead, make it worse, but which the people will now readily accept just to "do something about the problem".
I think at a certain point, creating alternatives - Like, reaching out to Vanguard and starting new gaming companies and consulting firms that they can invest in, - is probably the solution. Right-leaning or freedom-minded types have had the problem recently of not wanting to start new things or be creative, especially in the face of adversity. Our position somehow is that everything should go back to the way that it was rather than us have to start over and make new things. But that's unavoidable at this point. We should be making our thing to demonstrate that our ideas work better. Look at how scared they were of Stellar Blade. That has to be proof that they know the jig is up once we do that.
The investment companies are part and parcel of the rot, they are there to increase their grips and domineer social control. Esg is just corporate social credit which will eventually be used against individuals by credit card companies.
Is Vanguard trustworthy at this point? Not a rhetorical question, I actually am curious.
@@3To3dSl0th Vanguard serves only one master: the Almighty Dollar. The only way to deal with them is to succeed in business - make money for them. Anything else will be met with derision at best, and outright hostility at worst. One should be careful when feeding a dragon that one does not end up on the menu.
Pretty sure a lot of people are doing at right now but find a lot of obstacles and attempted sabotage from this weirdos, fighting the corruption in the industry and creating a parallel industry aren't mutually exclusive, since either recovering our hobbies and making our own are still affected by the same people, one good example is the increasing alternative comic media, doing well but getting harassed by the secular virtue signalers
@@3To3dSl0th they have been then enemy since day one, op is a fool.
Honestly this is a pretty good video.
When it comes to TAL’s take on “it’s not political” it stems from two beliefs
1) the idea that none of the people who push the message actually believe it; they’re just grifters
2) That gamergate collapsed by people turning it into a political issue, in turn dividing the members on political lines, and people shouldn’t focus on things like “they put type a and type b body types in the game instead of male or female”
With the first point, there are absolutely people who were just milking the situation for money: Anita Sarkeesian was 100% mostly doing it to advance her own career and for the cash (we can tell by how trans members of Feminist Frequency came out and said they weren’t paid.) However to say that EVERYONE who is affiliated with Sweet Baby Inc is a shill with zero earnestness in their beliefs is an impossibility. Alyssa Mercante, for example, does genuinely seem to unironically believe what she says. She outright says sexy video game characters should be “treated like strippers.” Coming out of anyone else’s mouth, it would’ve been called skeevy and perverted - especially since “stripperiffic” was used as a jab for female character designs back during the original GamerGate - but Alyssa IS (or was) a sex worker; she’d unironically believe it was a complement.
The second point is somewhat true, and somewhat false. Yes, GamerGate did fall apart due to people’s politics not aligning but, as you pointed out, it was already a fairly political issue. It was the exacerbation of it and introducing other elements into it that killed it. GG2 already STARTED with all of the other elements in it, so people siding against Sweet Baby already know what they’re getting into. People who would’ve capitulated to Gamergate 1’s journalists don’t do so now because all the cards are shown.
Also as a side point, TAL uses the fact that games like Saints Row 3/4 had the option to mash up male and female with different body types as evidence that “body type 1/2 was always here” when in reality there’s a major difference between how it used to be a source of humour rather than nowadays when it’s used for a weird political issue, as well as a major difference between the mindsets of the people who are implementing it now vs then.
Keep in mind this isn’t me just hating on TAL; I really like the guy and his content. I just disagree with this take of his in particular.
Edit: whoops I accidentally edited over Dmitri hearting the comment
GG never had a chance to win because the ultimate conclusion to be drawn from it was that whoever gets to build the narrative in the end decides who is right and who is wrong, regardless of how much reason and evidence you bring to the table. This is what got so many people disillusioned in the first place. The difference today is that games journalism is undergoing a slow and agonizing death, and, as you mentioned, everyone is more aware of how intellectually dishonest these people are.
I think one of the biggest things everyone could do right now is try and talk to people like the side scrollers podcast and rippa along with AZ and try and get them to understand their misconceptions hell I'd be pretty cool to see Dimitri on side scrollers
I hope they aren't touchy about the whole lolicon thing, especially since if memory serves me right (and I really, really hope it doesn't in this instance) Razorfist, who's good friends with both July and AZ and tends to be part of the same circles, has shown to be against lolicons in the past on twitter.
Before I even watch the video I gotta say I gave up on "GG2" the second I saw the same people involved with the first one being behind everything. It's simply just a lost cause. Those people are too entrenched in the industry and too wise on how to manipulate the public opinion that no matter what awful shit people say the public will be on their side. It's just not worth it.
Also never forget Zoe Quinn drove a man to death in 2019.
And now same man's sister is running one of these ESG companies.
Honestly I don't know how one would be so willing to work along with the people who drove their family member to suicide.
@@OfficialDJSoru given he took his own life, his sister likely gave him the same support the rest of his 'friends' did: that being scorn and rejection. Truly monsterous behavior.
And then they win. Because you have accepted the change.
@@GameBooAdvancePlus Greed trumps humanity in this people
@OfficialDJSoru it's actually really easy to understand once you realize that genuine unrepentant and irredeemably evil people exist, once you've acknowledged that terrifying reality it's perfectly understandable.
Very good and comprehensive video. It's a shame seeing all of the new big names of today fall for the same traps and pitfalls of 7 years ago.
WOW The black Valkyrie and fat Thor in God of war makes sense now
Nah, fat Thor is actually pretty accurate. He’s supposed to have a strongman build
@@DesOttsel That may be but their extra touch proves they wouldn't oppose their virtue why oppose others?
@@nicolasvenezuelaverde1184 I don't think these people favor obese men as part of their DEI objectives, it's only when it's obese women. If anything, I've seen some of these same people shame men for being fat.
@@DesOttsel Yes and that's the problem because they go for the strongmang "fat" thor build and say is accurate but then the Black Angrboda is defended with the "it's series were you kill gods and there is magical stuff" argument, so is a case of wanteing your cake and eating it too.
You need to become THE culture instead of trying to keep alive a decaying corpse.
18:00 Hilarious how you use that tweet as an example, because there are rumors that in season 2 of live action avatar Toph will not be blind specificly because they thought it was too offensive! It's perfect!
I wish i got paid to do nothing like Sweet Baby Inc and adjacent Studios
200k a year and could not figure how to google country flags, truly inspirational.
@@DimitriMonroe
Living the dream man, living the dream.
An unexpected call out video, but a welcome one...
To fail it should've started more than on some small niche twitter circles.
Sadly, I don't think culture can change back to the way it was before unless something happens to the money movers. I'm talking companies like Patreon, Paypal, banks etc who constantly update their policies in order to make it very hard for anyone to create their own stuff outside of approved circles.
People say that if you don't like it, make your own. But you can't make your own and have it be profitable, because you can't move the money unless you adhere to the culture that made the thing bad in the first place.
The reason I think gamergate 2 will fail is because most people don’t care about who makes the games. If people like how a games looks, they will play it anyways. For example, a lot of people highlight how Spider-Man 2 is woke, but it still has a lot of sales and a lot of popular CZcamsrs were playing it. How do we make people more aware of the issues at hand?
It's a good thing that these people, much like cartoon villains, lay their plans bare for everyone to see because they're so arrogant that they assume there is nothing anybody can do at this point to stop them.
New upload and I got the new SSJ3 goku unit. Life's good.
New upload and I got shafted... but life's still good.
In my opinion I think the question of whether the movement is likely to "succeed" or "fail" is entirely based on what the win-con is defined as.
If the goal is just to get woke stuff out of our hobbies then it's probably doing all right, the pendulum is swinging in that direction. But if the goal is to get quality products it's already showing that really isn't the case. We're seeing a ton of fairly mediocre products see massive monetary success for the primary reason being "they piss off woke people." I mean Hogwarts Legacy is explicitly woke but it was raised as a "victory" for "our side" just because some people don't like JK Rowling. If the mainstream news outlets screeched about Forspoken or Suicide Squad we'd be seeing people defending them as "our" games and saying that they were actually amazing.
A better title for this would be "Optics" never Matter, only Rhetoric and action does.
Might take this, couldn't decide what the | should be here.
This was a very well made video. I appreciate the lack of insane catastrophizing over the opposite side "wanting us dead" or something and the hopeful ending is nice.
I always believed the sad truth is just there are a ton of people who have these weird political beliefs and will do anything to push it. The industry is full of them, but eventually it will stop and go back to normal.
I just want passionate developers that make what they want, rather than what they feel they HAVE to make.
Tony you're here!? What pleasant surprise.
They censored Stellar Blade, we still have a long way to go.
As I said in the video, trusting modern Sony is a losing game. SU made a deal with the devil
That is true that you aren't going to win them over with factual arguments... However the factual arguments aren't really intended for them, they are to convince passersby. If someone who doesn't know anything about either side sees one person using facts and the other just cussing and calling them every insult they are most likely just going to see the insulting person as crazy and in the wrong.
Will gamergate 2 fail? Maybe, but I'd argue we have a lot more advantages we didn't have back then... Over the past decade trust in the media had continued to decline the entire time, half the sites that were spreading lies back then are gone and you see Twitter's community notes feature shutting down lies constantly. I like our odds tbh
The platforms we use to fight back, are belongs to the authority, it is just like the situation of 2077 mentioned
My concern is that we don't seem to have a next step. The initial explosion has settled and now it's all going quiet.
@@snipermagoo Yep. It's over. See you in another 10 years with GG3, even less consequential.
Once a person denies reason and reality, convincing them is pointless because no matter how well thought out or reality based your argument is, it won't matter. The only thing you can do is stand up to their evil and make yourself heard to the people who aren't morally and intellectually bankrupt. Excellently framed.
We’re doing a sequel, that’s what we do in Hollywood, and everybody knows that the sequel’s never quite as good
Reference aside, this time, we need to get direct with stopping these industry people, also the websites of these people going down by community notes and calling out misinformation is great to see, I feel this time, we will win, and win even better than before
It's a human right violation that we didn't get Gravity rush 3.😭Great video btw!
Anyways lol, I always say this for representation in gaming,
Good representation comes from the heart or passion of storytelling, and the desire for wanting to share the love of creating a fantasy world and it's characters, not from a DUI quota fill out sheet because corporate demanded so.
The race, sex, or orientation of one's character does not determine if a game or a story will be good, passion does. With talent, ambition and passion, you can all create amazing works of art and media no matter what character is on screen.
The power of passion and commitment can allow one's self infinite potentiality, something that corporate doesn't have.
Weren't Grummz and Kabrutus trying to say the same thing when this guy said they were trying to appeal to the other side? Why he hearted your comment?
I love Gunsmith Cats.
He's just like me FR!!!
Well done! It is really important that we be courageous and not allow tolerance to be our demise!
Nothing but facts in this video. I just really disdain the fake inclusiveness they try to spew out.
Very thankful you blured Asmongold and put text over his face, no one should be forced to see his roach infested home.
Just doing what I can to protect the people
How have people not learned yet that the right answer to being called racist/sexist is not "no, I'm not" but "how so?"?
And that is what I call sensitivity.
No the correct answer is: "yes, and?"
@@vidmastereon Only if you actually are, in which case be prepared with receipts or they'll try to catch you lacking like the bloodsucking vultures they are.
@@vidmastereon No, you idiot. They control the frame and what little "values" we have left in the West. You'd just be admitting to the accusation, which is all they care about.
Malicious investment companies, incompetent game publishers, and wolves in sheep's clothing posing as consultants on one side.
And on the other side, opportunistic CZcamsrs with comics to sell, ex-game devs sperging out about character outfits being altered slightly with some lace, and a dozen vets of GG1 repeating the same steps as before.
And then there's everyone else in the crossfire. The only solution is for people to put their money where their mouths are and either (A) stop buying games form particular companies, or (B) learn to express opinions without defaulting to the popular buzzwords of the current zeitgeist. At least until option (C) can arrive, and someone properly competent can step up and produce games or entertainment, without any fear of blow black, that people will want to support.
Well said.
Yup, people always get mad when someone said they are trying to be neutral but the think is most of the majority of people are always ended up in the middle, life always have a balance you can't go to sad and go to happy, isn't this literally what all humanity have been dealing with? This is just the same shit with different colours all over again
This is why I like Indie Games more, they’re fun, some are experimental, and most are surprisingly more forward thinking than Sweet Baby.
Your social-political analysis is excellent, your opinion is always pleasant to hear. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
Greetings from Latin America.
Thank you!! I also love Dragonball
@@DimitriMonroe XDDD
Speaking of Gravity Rush, it's funny how instead of saving up for PlayStation's current-gen console, I'm exploring Japan Studios' past games on older hardware. Since modern PlayStation has nothing to offer me anymore, I'm forced to look to the past, getting a Vita and the handful of exclusives it still has, and even a PlayStation Move of all things. I'm not lying when I say I'm having more fun playing Ape Escape Move than I ever had with Horizon 1 or the recent God of War games. That's how low the bar is.
Even the few games they put out that interest me even slightly, I can already buy on my more powerful PC, even via a second-hand key if I don't want any money to go to the publisher. All the PS5 currently has going for it is Astro's Playroom, Rise of the Ronin, and Stellar Blade, and those last two are likely timed-exclusives. All three could easily be ported to Steam, by the way. Astro would require dualsense, but it's a small price to pay when I can use that controller on other PC games.
Yeah, I'm much the same. Heck, the reason I even have a PS4 is Gravity Rush 2 and a PS5 - Returnal. I barely use the systems now. I guess that's its own topic: If modern consoles are worth a damn.
I did also spend a lot of time with Japan Studio titles on past systems as well, which is why a part of me died when, iirc, Sony closed down Japan Studio.
Stellar Blade *needs* to be freed from Soyny of Commiefornia, murderers of the Senran Kagura franchise, Microsoft needs to cancel their plans to jump on the woke train in solidarity with Soyny and remember what they are: the grown-up gamer brand, not a Sweet Baby box for babies! #SonyCheck #NoPlayStation6 #MakeXboxGreatAgain
This is a great video! Keep doing this awesome research cause it really brings things together.
Also, pointing out the effort Sucker Punch puts into everything they do is always appreciated!
I've been saying optics dont matter. But no one listens.
If you do not desire to win.
You're completely right, and I been trying to tell people that bitter truth as well.
Optics is larping, people would rather stay comfortable and play pretend they can fix things without actually doing anything no matter how many times they lose because of it.
If your first priority is to please your enemy who wants you destroyed to earn the good boy points called "optics," you have already lost.
There are "adults" and people who consider themselves "experts" in poltics that can't figure this out, lol.
I think you're overlooking 2 things.
1.) Gamergate one calmed down cause they won. The journalists were both fined by the FTC and forced to update their older reviews and articles to admit to what they were accused of, and had their reputations destroyed in the gaming public eye. People outside of the gaming public would remain unaware of this but they didn't read or respect what gaming journalists had to say in the first place.
2.) Even normal non-gaming people are becoming increasingly negatively affected by woke DEI ESG stuff and pushing back against it too. We might not be united as a front with them cause they still don't care about games, but they still hate the ESG DEI too and are pushing back against them elsewhere.
Bad news: you can't win if there's no victory condition.
Good news: you can't loose either.
Holy crap, this is probably the most definitive and eye-opening video I've seen on the topic, and one that also doesn't try to back down on the more feather-ruffling discussions no one wants to have yet are essential (like whether politics have any factor in this). Great work.
i think another factor that's different which is enabling this gamergate 2 (which is just the continuation of gamergate 1) to be in a stronger position than before is how much more ppl are online , savvy , and connected now , which takes away a lot of the need for ppl to seek out talking heads to rally behind to push populist momentum for these social culture war battles
ppl now can just see the issues being presented by anyone and delineate for themselves what to think and do about it
i didn't even know a month ago sargon went og and started uploading new vids , and after watching his first GG2 one i was a bit shocked to find i disagreed with most of it , and there were others who did as well
Really great video
I've been thinking this exact same thing but it's not popular on our side
22:49 Even as someone who still thinks about Senran Kagura often I completely forgot about 7EVEN holy shit
I've just begun mass downloading ROMs and fanscanlations of games and manga. If we ever get to a point where the "initiative I can't say or else CZcams will take down my comment" effectively forces everyone on the right into poverty, I'll still have some entertainment to get me through the next few years of it. It starts with a B, ends with an E, and has a RIDG in the middle.
FINALLY!!! Someone else knows what happened to senran kagura
Thank you so much, finally someone says it, this whole thing will go similarly as the last time and quite honestly I won't even bother this time.
I assume you were also a witness of GG1 and how the /gg/'ers kept failing and failing again and again all because they were always aiming for "muh optics" and "muh moral high ground" when they should've just just listened and realize that this battle goes beyond the asinine insignificant stuff they complain about, it's about subversion, it's about population control and it's also about your enslavement to those who finance and run the system.
It doesn't matter how many billions they spend, human behaviour will stay the same, people like beautiful things and that will never change.
They know they can't change. We all know the emperor in naked, but if you say it out loud, you get arrested. The goal is to scare you compliance.
Hopefully the situation with localizers improves,after finding out about all the unnessisary changes made to japanese games and anime, questions like "what's been changed or censored this time" are always in the back of my mind. This still hasn't deterred me from tring to get into voice acting for anime, i just need to deal with my bad habit of putting things off for tomorror over and over again😅
Ironic that Stellar Blade turns out to be censored
As I said in my video, it's not wise to trust modern Sony. SU made a deal with the devil and they are paying for it, should have not been exclusive.
@@DimitriMonroe while an NDA is most likely in place, I hope they respond to the issue
Bottom line, I hope they go "fuck it. We stick to gacha"
@genyatus Shift Up is a lost cause. Ever since Destiny Child, they take pride in choosing the worst publisher for their product. That game died. Their current game Nikke is published by Level Infinite who is owned by Tencent who insisted on their AGGRESSIVELY horny game maintaining a Teen ESRB rating all while attempting to push $60 skins as the norm.
Signing a deal with Sony when they're known to punch down on smaller studios and indies as a pastime, especially when you have even the smallest curve on a woman in your game, was asking for hate to be shot their way.
Now they're going publicly traded and will probably be bought out or at least have their majority shares bought out by Sony or Tencent, it's only a matter or time for them to squander the platform they were given by their (not for long) target audience.
Sorta related but my work has DEI with this month being autism acceptance month, and they list Satoshi Tajiri as a notable autistic person. The problem is that he isn't autistic or at least there's no concrete proof he is 😂
Etics is important at this scale even if people want to focused on politics, ignoring them or only taking of them are a potential hassard thats why I like your content
May be too early to call this, but I feel like calling this "Gamer Gate 2" is backfiring on the journo's that coined it. Supporting or being associated with the original used to be considered taboo, but the new one has only resurfaced the messed up situation that caused the first one.
I disagree and agree with a few things. I don't think GG 2 will fail and optics do matter. There are grifters you want to keep out, people who genuinely change their minds, but there also new normies looking in you want to convince. This is not a fight in a closed room, but a (inter)national televised boxing match. The obvious grifter like Matt walsh was immediately pushed back on heavily, maybe unlike Milo before. Chris was asked a few years ago on GG by a woke chatter, he still stands by that sjws were completely crazy. I don't think you say that if you didn't believe in GG at the time and keep videos up, but changed your mind a little bit. Matt Jarbo did the complete 180 it just blew up in his face.
Fortunate for us the racism and sexism to paint your enemies as is becoming less and less effective that even normies, or regular creators not invested in the culture war, are increasingly not buying it. Plus there is evidence of harassment, racism and obvious lies from sbi and Kotaku writers. It's just true and dei is racist. The factual argument matters for them. You can't look as insane as your opponents. You can't blame them for trying to keep their ass clean. sbi detected is under the eye of woke sauron. any slip up and there is danger of them getting banned off steam, they don't want to give them an excuse.
The fact that the division exclusion and inequality initiatives, or didn't earn it, create more controversy, even among those they claim to represent, is right on the money. and, that it's just only to make money also reeks of bullshit. I am an enlightened centrist though. Huge companies are made of people with many different motivations.
There are also genuine believers who hire them for that reason. Not surprising as silicon valley is very very left wing. Game companies are not different. It's increasingly more difficult for those in charge to genuinely think that these dei initiatives result in more money as time goes on. activists wanting to grift of large companies can still make them genuine believers. There is nothing better than getting paid for the activism you believe in.
13:31 we also see how Esg goes for journalist outlets. They fired a lot of people or lost their company to be sold for scraps. I have a theory, we either see change within the year, or it will take 4 or 5 years when the investors come to back to check if they're on track of the 5 year plan for the company.
we know where these ideas come from, have a name for it, their thought process, tactics, non existing principles, philosophical and psychological underpinning etc.
Thanks for continuing to spread awareness, Dimitri. Great video as usual.
Thank you for this, you clearly pointed the problems in the industry and clearly explained what is happened.
This is an excellent summation and examination of this heinous and insane bs that's currently happening in gaming. Bravo,sir. (I hope things go back to normal at some point so we can all play and look forward to new games again.)
As to your last point, I think you are correct voting with your wallet isn't enough, and its also not enough to make our voices heard, we need to get people in and outside the industry. Focusing on anti-Grift/pro-fan and anti-Censorship/pro-creative freedom.
thank you for this. I hope this reaches more people
"Optics Matter" really just means "learn how to sell your message, and to who." That's honestly it. Obviously don't appeal to the other side (the people who hate you), but convincing some Joe Schmo, who probably hasn't even heard of all this stuff, can unfortunately turn them off if you go about informing them the wrong way
I just don't believe you need to "sell" your message to some random.
The issues that have been creeted werent sold to "normal" people they were adopted by companies via pressure and incentivisied, the Pokemon Go example serves to show this as "normal" people are just if not more pissed about the changes.
That's not me saying purposefully be idiotic, my main point is to focus on the real issues, as optics just don't matter no matter what, they will try to present your actions as unjust regardless to "normal" people so stand strong and focus on the issues.
@@DimitriMonroe "Optics" aren't (or shouldn't be) to make yourself look better to the opposition, they're to make sure that their maligning of you isn't in any way accurate, to the extent that you care about. There's no benefit to this-- but there ARE costs to not being mindful of it.
Lets see if the usual grifters (AKA Asmongold) actually end up responding to this
If Asmingold is a grifter, then that word means somethinc compleatly different.
Man, Gravity Rush deserved better. Kat keeps getting punished after breaking Playstation All Star's competitive scene sideways.
Does anyone know that time people were dicks to the people who die in a fire in the studio just because they made miss kobayashi's dragon maid ?
Yeah, now a good chunk of them are running every major entertainment industry in the west, ruining not only western legacy media but localizations of asian media and, in some cases, even asian media itself from the very root.
Yet another example of why you shouldn't care about optics; if these people with such horrible public views made it that far, then clearly optics don't matter, and if they do and said horrible views is what they won over the normies with, then I don't want to win over the normies.