Old vs New Land Rover Discovery: Can Old Gear Beat New Tech on Gold Mine Hill?
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@WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot like the check engine light, the three migos is pep boys
I prefer the old school boxey. Think they had that look until 2016ish.
I agree, everything is starting to look very similar in a crossover small suv way. That boxy look separates it from the crowd. I am sure I am missing one but it seems only the 4runner is distinguishable from the rest keeping the look while being more "refined".
Alpha namens All the new ones have this "soft" look. I guess because it appeals to more people and sales is the game.
I just got given a Ikea version of a 1961 ex army series 2. Way better than these two combined!
AnthonyJ350. They all look Soccer Mommy now and too scared to go off road.. Green laning.
I wonder what went wrong with land rover. Even the Discovery 3 was just out of warranty and the wife wanted to burn it on the lawn in front of the factory in Solihull. She got a series 3 109 ex RAF that will get disability adaptions like left foot accelerator and 300tdi with ZF4HP22 automatic.
Definitely old over new, looks-wise. I loved my 1998 Disco 1...one of the best vehicles I have ever owned. I keep hearing about the stiff ride, but I think it was incredible! I use to describe how it drove and rode, like a Rolls Royce tank; you could take your hands off the wheel at 80+ and iy would track straight for miles.
Can't beat the father and son combo keep up the good work guys. Old body style please.
Old school all day every day. Nothing beats that boxey look.
Aye they are the perfect lifer car, something breaks replace it, don’t work how you want upgrade it. That laptop on wheels breaks you’ll need a degree in software development
The old disco is way better looking than the new soccer mom suv.
James Hall facts
Well said
Yeah, I agree. I don't quite get it. I mean the market seems to want to be able to say that they have a Land Rover to be able to say "I have a Land Rover" with all the capabilities of one rather than say, a soft-roarder BMW M5 or something, but they want to pay big dollars to force Land Rover make it look like a Carrera at the same time. It's a really silly, shallow consumer-led engineering exercise I guess.
I bought out the lease on my LR4 because I could not stand the thought of upgrading to the new Discovery Minivan
Facts
The timeless design of the Discovery II is unbeatable. An absolute masterpiece.
I agree, it is iconic, I have a 14 Disco 4 HSE, I still love the look of it over the new shape, at least it stayed true to the old boxy look!
Older model fits its namesake
New model is an accessory, like a charm bracelet
Tim Fox well said
I pulled up next to one at a stop light in my LR4... there’s no comparison. Take the badges off it and you’d swear it was a Cherokee variant lol.
Land Rover has made a mistake by changing drastically the look of the car. I loved the old boxy look, they could have make it look modern but keep most of the parts like they were.
I have a 1997 4.0 Land Rover...daily driver. I saved it form the junk yard ...Its a Beast!
Nathan Rohrbough is it reliable enough lol. I’m planning on getting one as a project car.
Make sure the body is not rusted out and the frame also. Body's floor and rockers along with the cab seems to be most at risk. If in NE USA beware ;(
Nathan Rohrbough Haha I’m in the rust belt of the USA basically. I’ve seen so many of them rusted out horribly. I just love the look and the heritage sooo much.
Had a 96 v8 for 15 years but the dreaded tin-worm finally made it beyond repair for someone like myself that can't weld.Was a shit because i loved that car and it only had 96 thousand on the clock
That's low miles...lol dang that's sad.
I did not expect the new Disco to do it so easy. At first i was not a big fan. But lately I am beginning to come around. Specially after driving one. It is a great SUV that looks at home off road or at the opera.
On the final stage I didn't think it would make it given the huge off-camber conditions and many other similar sized SUV's don't make it through there, and it made it with ease and very little wheel spin, goes to show Land Rover's traction control system works very well, course it helps having that rear locker too...even the Discovery 2 had very little trouble with that stage without any lockers. I figured the new Land Rover would have trouble mainly due to the regular all season tires, but that didn't seem to hamper its capability at all.
Just wonder how it'll hold up, the older ones seemed to be plagued with some issues sadly.
Styling for the Landrover Discovery's really peaked with the Discovery 4. This new one is just too fat for my tastes, I'd genuinely take an older Discovery 3 or 4 over this newer Disco.
No matter about the new one's superior design and driving dynamics and monocoque construction, you'd still go for the old 'Postman Pat' model? www.amazon.co.uk/Postman-Pat-Royal-Mail-Van/dp/B00BB8YASS
Huw Williams Yup! I've driven them both and I prefer the seating position, headroom, steering, cabin noise levels, exterior design, and driving dynamics of the late discovery 4 to the new model.
I don't care that the 4 looks like postman pats royal mail van, the newer one doesn't have enough headroom and it feels less solid in interior materials, not to mention it is harsher over bumps. I also think that the new one is just too bland and inoffensive styling wise. Where the 4 was obviously and unashamedly a discovery, the new one could be an evoque/velar/RR Sport/Range Rover if you squint at it.
The Discovery 3 shape had an enormous amount of criticism when launched because it just didn't look like a Discovery. So that just goes to prove that anything new and innovative will garner criticism from a hardcore of diehard old-model fanboys. New designs do take a while to grow into, but eventually most new designs do turn out to be substantial improvements on the old ones. There are few exceptions. If innovators didn't dare change and improve their products we would still be offered Series1 Land Rover and the pre-wrangler Jeep. Each new model has been roundly criticised by a certain type of person who either dies off eventually while running antique equipment, or comes to see the light and become a fanboy of the new model they initially hated. Or they change brands.
Huw Williams I acknowledge your criticisms, but my particular needs fall out of the 95th percentile. I am very tall, and I do not comfortably fit inside of the new model. I also don't even fit the range rover sport of the old model with the seat at the lowest setting without my head tilted on one side! Going over bumps is very uncomfortable when your head hits the ceiling.
My opinions on which car I like is valid for single case use scenario, aka myself. I am not criticising the new model for anything more than "I prefer the old design because I like boxy angular cars."
Most importantly we were asked in the video which I preferred, and I answered!
You can take your continual questioning of a perfectly valid opinion and thrust it up your arse; I like what I like, and I was asked what I liked.
Phil Atkins
Your explanation is perfectly valid even though your moronic abuse shows you up for the cretin you obviously are.
I drive a 1998 model Discovery 1 300 series TDI and wouldn't change it for the world. The models that followed were messed around with way too much by the Land Rover company owners, taking them away from the market Land Rover originally targeted. Sadly even the Defender, the last of the work-horses, has been removed from our reach, with nothing left to replace it with.
@Paul Boobier indeed the new one has just been released can't wait to see it in australia
I’ll take the $5,300 Land Rover!
I would take the new one sell it and buy the old one
I live a few miles away from Solihull in the West Mids England and I hate the modern technical garbage that comes out the plant now. I mean, how you going to fix anything electrical should it fail out in the country?....this is how.....none of it will ever see dirt, mud rocks or deep water unlike the older real Land Rovers of yesteryear. Give me old any day.
Well said
LOL, try putting new electrics underwater up to the top of a snorkal - nuff said - lol
I’ve got a 1968 series 2a. Battery failed, was faulty on purchase.
Just started it with the handle... reliable as hell
...or a Landcruiser
A2bPhotography I live near there too. Whereabouts are you from? I live in Chelmsley Wood...
The old bodywork is waaaaaaay better (and easier to fix if you're in the outback, the Pamirs,.....) New bodywork = adventures at the mall; the old one = adventures OFF the beaten track.
The old design is much better looking in my opinion
Talk about the best day at work ever. I know you guys work hard, but it looks like a lot of fun too.
I really like that old Disco. I still can't get over what you guys paid for it! The mods alone are probably worth close to that. Good to know that if/when the motor goes you can just part it out and make your money back.
I'm sure the new one is lovely to drive, but it looks too soft. Whenever I see it, all I can think is "Ford Explorer". And the current Ex is pretty ancient these days. I get the LR has to modernize and go with the flow, but it would be nice if they left the Disco on the more rugged, or traditional, end of things, and left the Range Rovers and the Evoque and that new model (The Vallare, I think) to be sleek and modern. I realize they're not going to build and import a Defender type model for the US, but something along the lines of a GX470/Toyota Prado would be a good edition to the lineup.
The new Defender due for release at the Paris Motor Show in September is the one that will carry the rugged, traditional, flag for all the old school folks. For now, the Disco has to compete with BMW, Audi, Volvo and Merc, hence the soft rounded look. Underneath its still hard-core though so anything you could do in a Series 2 Disco, or a Jeep Wrangler, you can do in the latest Disco,.
John Pitcher I realize the new disco has a lot electronic goodies, but eventually that gets to a point where they cannot make up for lack of wheel travel and articulation. Stock for stock it may keep up with the Disco Series 2, but it's not keeping up with a Jeep Wrangler, especially not a Rubicon.
John Pitcther Independent front and rear suspension with no droop compliance to speak of cannot always be overcome with electronic traction control. The Disco didn't have to compete with bad-weather road cars from premium European makes. They could have made it compete with the 4-door Wrangler. They chose not to and it really doesn't. It might be impressive for what it is, but it at the end of the day, it is what it is. It isn't a body on frame truck with live drive axles and an aftermarket supplying traction-aiding differentials, lifts, taller tires......... The Series 2 Discovery is that kind of vehicle.
most UK & European old discos were diesel, not so fast but never stopped easily - the reason you bought the disco then
I fell in love with Land Rover Discovery at an early age and told myself I will own one day. I have 2, 2003 SE7 and leasing the 2017 Discovery. Love them both.
Square body all the way
mike W You just took the words out of my mouth.
mike W hell yeah box all the way
OLD SCHOOL ALLLLLL THEEEE WAYYYY!!!!!
I am a proud owner of an old school 1995 LR discovery given to me by stepdad, original owner. Going strong still at 25 years old, 133k miles, has recently had a mini makeover with new tint and buff job. They are the ultimate classic rig, they don't look like all the others, I get so many compliments on Gertrude, Gerdy for short. She can climb a tree if needed. Cheers to all the beautiful Old School Land Rovers and the owners that keep them going.
Old one is big yet lean... New one is big yet big... Old one all the way, all it needs is a good diesel
Mr. Cairo, funny how they have all the good parts all spread out but not all put together (EX: ford ranger, old and new as the older one had four full doors.)
I've had the diesel (Mr Cairo, the diesel was a 5 cylinder Td5. The series 1 Disco, which I don't believe was generally available in the States was a Tdi.)in Africa. Over 100 000 trouble free km. It had 130 000 when I bought it. Loved that car...
I've still got my 1994 Disco 1 300 Tdi, at 330 000km still going strong, still awesome offroad. My daily driver is a Defender 110 Td5 with 280 000km.
Puts a smile on face every single time I climb in.
And front and rear locker ....
If only the old one could tow 8200 pounds.
Square body is legend! There’s something comforting about a basic truck being reliable off road knowing it can engage and disengage 4x4 manually instead of relying on a computer.
Overlander vs Soccer mom
could have not said it better plus only $5200 versus 5 figures
Couldn't say it better myself
Peter Mavus to be fair one is brand new, one is 14 years old, its not exactly a great comparison
Yes, I like your comparison. It is very clear to untrestand, I have a mom too.
Jose C. I like your cimparison. It is very wise.
When you think of a landrover you dont think of the newer looking landrover you thing of the old beauty I have a 99 series 2 and I love that truck so much
Yep .
I have a 2001 s2 v8 and it does me it is more comfortable than my x type jag.
I prefer the 'old' design - I might be biased as I have a lifted 'o4 myself...
John Collings I haven't lifted mine yet, but will be.
I own the new one. It's an astonishing vehicle. The ride and the silence of the vehicle is amazing. Recently took it on a 5000km drive over two weeks, through outback Australia and it never missed a beat. Brilliant vehicle and time moves on, more will be seen on the road and the shape will become accepted. Personally I love the look of it more now than ever.
Great video! Love the disco music tie in. Looks like you guys are having a lot of fun!
Blow your mind at the land rover driving school. Beginner at Solihull and advanced in the Malvern Hills. In the right hands even the old ones go anywhere. Sometimes you go easy, sometimes you have to gun it... go along and have fun with somebody else’s vehicles. We did defenders, discos and range rovers. Totally serious training from the experts. (20 years ago though)
Interestingly, that Rover V8 began life as the Buick 215 for the 1961 Buick Special. In 1962, Buick began production of a V6 version of the engine, with a cast iron block. That 198 V6 eventually grew to become the venerable 3800 V6 engine. Ask your fellow gear heads what a Buick Lesabre and a Land Rover Discovery have in common!
obcRadio I wish Rover had decided to take the Chevy 350 and called it a day.... we would have much better vehicles because if it 🤔
Disco Paul it’s funny that the V6 version of the engine went on to become known as one of the most reliable engines ever made (3800). Perhap’s the difference came down to manufacturing quality control?
I have a coworker who has a 1996 Discovery D1 (daily driver) and a 1996 Buick Regal with the 3800. He does all the work on them himself. I believe he said the alternator bracket is the same on both.
You guys are forgetting the most important part of the 3.8 story,. Not only was it derived from the 215 Buick engine that lard Rover ended up using for decades but the 3.8 v6 used to come in the Kaiser Jeeps.
It was called an odd fire v6. Then in the 1970s gm purchased the engine back from what was now AMC and they redesigned it to become an even fire v6 and it went on to sell 25,000,000 of those engines...
So in a way Land Rover has a Jeep engine in it.
Landrover gained an engine that was thrown out by Buick for being no good, then landrover reinvented it for rovers cars SD1 series vehicles that then went on to sports cars using it, then TVR reinvented it yet again for its own build in sports cars. Landrover got by chance as it was within the rover group but found the original car derived 3.5 litre engine underpowered in 2 tons of landrover so it began growing bit by bit until what you see today. the army used the older designed v8 due to the need to push the heavier defenders along.
I had a 1995 Discovery gas motor, stick shift. It was one of the most fun vehicles that I have ever owned. We bought the extended warranty and man, did we need it! It would go almost anywhere but ended up about 20% of the time in the repair facility. 😀
I can only imagine how obsolete in 14 years that four-wheel-drive laptop will be.
I love that term 4 wheel drive laptop!! 😅
James Croteau that's exactly what they said 19 years ago about the D2 and look at them now. Yes they have their problems but they're fixable :)
But now there are so many tech gadgets that look will look outdated.
James Croteau While the creature comforts are awesome, it is also scary because being obsolete or systems crashing is right around the corner. But it’s the same with nearly every new vehicle these days. Its going to get much worse. It’s getting to where nothing is a “keeper” anymore.
Teddy's Lift World well the speedometer gauges, window buttons, gear levers, dashboard and everything else (except for the seats) look outdated on every Discovery nowadays except for the new one. That's just how development works
Dare I say, 5k vs 81k. you can do a lot of repairs for that money!
Legend says: they are both still up there waiting for a new parts.
Thanks for all your great work! I've had 2 Disco 1's, two Disco 2's and I'm on my 2nd Disco 5. Up until now the D1's were my favorites, but this new Disco is outstanding off road, and the look really grows on you (especially with some KO2's underneath). I would be concerned about the technology 10 years down the road, but the more I think about it, all of us who enjoy off-roading are going to have to adjust our knowledge base from adjusting swivel balls (or dealing with the three amigos) to dealing with more electronics no matter what we drive.
I have always liked the box style of the Discovery. A perfect Discovery IMO would be the box style with all the new stuff in it.
A disco 4 then..
I just bought a Disco 4 after owning my previous car for about 10 years. It's a 2012 SE and I can seriously seeing me owning it for another 10 years. My ARB front bar is coming in about 2 weeks, and I need a new stereo but that is it. The car is stunning. People are asking me if it is new, but it is 6 years old!
Old disco all day every day
The old one looks great. It’s timeless, classy and simple. The new one looks like a Jeep Trailhawk got after it with a Pontiac Aztek.
PLEASE put a Civic up there for all the nay sayers. Drag it over Stages 1&2 with the new rescue rig and bury the fookin tin can in Stage 3. Thank you.
bernard_hossmoto ha! Yes!!
U can put all the spare landrover fluids in the civic 🤣
bernard_hossmoto at lease the head gasket won’t brake still
I have a 2004 Disco and I love it.Old school rugged with a true center diff lock and a real lever-not the girly knobs to twiddle with.Nothing beats solid axles and coils in the rough.
“I dare you to bring your old Civic up here”
Well, my buddy has a 6-inch lifted, off road equipped 1996 *Camry* .
So...
Challenge accepted.
I had an old, 1981 model 2-door RR, which was an unreal piece of work, unstoppable, a pleasure to drive, soft on the suspension, an all-round great vehicle. Sadly i had to sell the old girl after i could not get spares for major repairs, something which still leaves me unhappy when i think about it.
Yes the only vehicle that in standard guise gets as far off road as a defender. I go to offer road circuit where as always hear range rover classic land rovers etc aren't any good you should get Toyota etc etc BUT the only 2 cars that continuously get round in all conditions and in standard guise are the defender and range rover classic NOTHING else makes it with all rheir boasting
And when I say nothing I mean Toyota Land cruisers ,nissan patrols ,discovery 2 and 3 range rover p38 and myriads of hilarious testosterone filled American pickups which are laughably inept and always need pulling out- all have come with their boasting of this and that and we will show classic and defender a clean pair of heels and go home with tails between their legs. All just mouth can't back it up with ability
Old discovery
old discos 10- new disco 0 or very little- try putting all that electrics underwater and still keep driving - lol
I bought my sister’s, poorly maintained, 2003 Disco 2 and I love it. I do most of the repairs myself; brakes, suspension, differential fluid changes, cooling system maintenance, new battery, cosmetic work, some engine gaskets, scheduled oil changes and filters every 3k miles. So far I have 158k miles on it and it has outlasted my well maintained Mustang of 90k miles. I can tow my motorcycles to the racetrack, take it on off-road trips, commute to work, mount some bicycles on the back or throw a surfboard on the roof rack, carry home furniture from Ikea that easily fits in its large cargo area and I’ve even slept in the back comfortably with a fully extended sleeping pad and sleeping bag. I’m definitely keeping it for years to come. My Disco 2 even had the good fortune of turning me into a good mechanic. ;)
The Discovery II is a fine vehicle owned by cool people now. I own a P38 Range Rover.
I owned a 2001 Disco 2 for 6 years. Australian model with TD5 Auto. Beautiful vehicle, very stable, great fuel economy and after I solved all the bugs (Fuel Injector harness, main harness,) and added ceramic coatings to the Inlet, Exhaust, Turbo and Exhaust pipes, the vehicle was an absolute dream. A little squeezy, the cabin could have been a bit wider, which overall would also give more storage, however overall the vehicle was fantastic.
Still like the old school, the new one looks like an explorer or a transverse, no distinctiveness.
im assuming ford still owns it. smh
@@billydarley6925 nope, half Chinese half Tata motors from India.
I wish they still used body on frame construction and the boxy look, but I like the headlights and the interior way better on the new one.
Landrovers departure from making 'real' offroad vehicles is like ripping the heart and soul out of a business. I think it will lead to their decline
Excellent video, gentlemen! Speaking of what I know about the competence of Land Rover vehicles to get one into the great outdoors---and to always get you back home---these vehicles were without peer. I go back to 1964 with Land Rover. On the other hand, reliability issues (with parts ranging from speedometers and exhaust manifolds to axle shafts and gearbox mainshafts and layshafts to anything that could possibly leak oil probably did leak oil), were all too typical of Land Rovers. In the early 1970s, Lucas alternators generally failed before the vehicles they were on reached 35,000 miles. But driving a Land Rover always made me feel safe. In thirty years of driving Land Rovers, they NEVER failed to get me home. Your TFL crew is tops in making off-road videos. Thank you and keep up the great work!
I want the new diesel powerplant put into the old model, then I'd be happy! :-D
COYOTE ADVENTURES
The old 200tdi and TD5 engines available at the time worked fine too.
yeah, but I don't think we ever got those engines in ours here in the USA. None that I have seen anyways. IF we did, they are rare as hens teeth!
I HAVE seen several that have been converted to the Mercedes OM617 turbo diesel. I had a complete 300TD Mercedes back in 2014 and wish like heck I had kept that car just simply for the drivetrain to put it in a more worthy body!!!!! Sold the whole car, in GREAT running shape with ice cold working A/C for $1000. :-/ Live & learn! :-/
I sold one of my favourite cars for next to nowt because didn't have space at the time so I feel your pain!
I'm on the look out for decent Merc engine too for my series 2a landy.
TDV8 from the RRS in a D3/4 would be SCARY!!!
Agree
Hi from old England guys, great show. ok, I had a 1991 3 door disco diesel for 10 years and just loved it. was a manual but it worked ok for me until it came time to sell it on, but, being diesel, it would run happily on cooking oil in the summer but 50/50 in the winter with a splash of petrol (gas) thrown in to stop the mix going thick. Petrol you say - oh no, but once I put £20 of petrol in by mistake, so just drove to our local food store and bought another 20 litres of cooking oil to put into the discos tank and it ran just fine, but, did smell of french fries from the exhaust - honestly - lol my old girl had done over 240.000 MILES when I sold it, and it never needed cold start preheat at all to start it, it just fired up first turn of the key. With my old age, and illness that was the reason I had to sell the manual disco but still miss its go anywhere - do anything ruggedness.. thanks for the shows guys, oh, please do look up running on cooking oil in older Landrovers - its a common thing here - the current tax laws lets us use up to 25.000 litres a year but not a drop more ! - but how can they tell right - lol.. bye, thanks, Ian.
Try the Evoque up Gold Mine.
Few people have actually pushed these vehicles to their limits. We took them rock crawling in Arizona for the Disco’s launch and the rocks we were going through make your hill look like a speed bump! Land Rover NA is doing the Land Rover TReK in September at the Biltmore estate in NC. You guys should connect with them to go and watch it. I’m competing in it for Canada.... Lucky 8 is providing the parts including winches, racks bumpers, wheels, tires and recovery kit and we’ll be pushing the limits of these new discos. I also run a 2004 Disco. I’d love to connect if you’re up for it.
I like the old rigid design. It gives it that rugged off-road look.
You spoke my mind
"like they were designed by a glass blower" somewhere a range rover designer is weeping silent tears of pride.
A mint 1st Gen Land Rover, would've been amazing to own.
2 gen
I’m a proud owner of a mint gen1
I'm a proud owner of a disco 1 and couldn't agree more that's what they should have used in the video
Older style, love the squared look!
The old one looks much better
Next best looking Land Rover after the defender
I was surprised it was able to get over that last hole stock. Very nice
Old school is my couple of tea.
Great video! Even with stock ride height and 18" wheels, my 04 was sensational off road. Practically drove itself. All the commentary on the old one is spot on
Boxy SUVs always look better than SUVs today.
I've long been of the opinion that the P38 Range Rover was Land Rovers 'death rattle' and the L320 & L322 RRs were the final nails in Land Rovers coffin, I'd take the old D2 every time over that new thing, it's merely a 4WD computer.
One tip for your older rig though: If you haven't already, get one of those kits that test for head gasket failure by sampling the coolant in the header tank. That V8 is the 'Thor' version which replaced the 'Gems' on IIRC but it had an inherent fault that the cylinder liners could slip. Those scumbags at Bavarian Murder Weapons KNEW about this but did not rectify it as it would occour way after their warranty had expired so basically they couldn't care less. They had the P38s replacent in design with which they were going to equip it with their own V8, which was basically the death knell for the much loved Rover V8, which itself dates back to an old Buick 215ci lump.
Good luck!
I prefer the Boxy look, “the old look”.
When your son said the old Discovery would make that hole look like a puddle at 6:40, I was expecting him to park it there and let all the oil leaks do the job. Maybe next time.
Are you guys considering putting in front and rear lockers on the Rescue Rig?
I have a 2004 Disco. Trust me. You dont need them. Have walked up hills that twin locked vehicles have struggled with. Huge advantage is the ability to maintain steering and correct wheel movement
Greg Clarkson I wouldn't be inclined to run lockers in a 2004 Discovery, either. I've seen the traction control system on those things in action and I'd rather have that, fully functional, than fully-mechanically locking differentials.
@@jerroldshelton9367 tho steep, that was a good, firm surface for grip. in swampier conditions, lockers can help. but so can light brake pressure to stop the loose wheel spinning whilst you crawl through whatever you are in ( old school techniques)
@@maddogmcfly5504 I know all about "old school techniques." For most of my adult life, I had access to the basically stock Willys MB and Ford GPW that some uncles of mine kept in the barn at our family hunting camp. It doesn't get more "old school" than running trails in a stock flat-fender. The first time I went across California's famous Rubicon Trail, I was a six year old boy riding in the passenger seat of one of those WWII relics my uncles owned. No lift, no lockers, no problem. But, it was a different world back then. Our point for being on the Rubicon Trail wasn't to test the performance envelope of man and machine. It was just a trail, like so many others I traveled on, that allowed access to hunting and / or fishing spots.
@@jerroldshelton9367 cool, sounds a bit like when i took my landie round europe and morocco solo with lots of off road / off piste adventure. it never missed a beat and i had total confidence in it. happy times :-)
These two cars exhibit perfectly the changing role of the SUV in society. From practical, rugged go anywhere machine, to urban fashion statement chock full of electronic gadgets. Land Rover have kept their off-roading credential intact but I wonder how much of that electronics tech will still be working in 15 years time?
The old 1 every time 😎 i have an old 1
Have seen a lot of comments on 4 runner, land cruiser, lexus GX about been so long without redesign but the same people will will make negative comments when they finally bring new designs, u will see hundreds of comments like they should have kept the old design, this is for soccer mum, body shape is to curvy and as so on.
I prefer the old, the new is to ford explorer. damn European design everyone is going to.
Boxy for the win. Our Disco 3 is a family heirloom at this point. Far more reliable than it gets credit for and incredibly capable.
just fix 3amigos - it could be broken cable, modulator ABS etc .. and then you will never ever see them again
Our 1997 Discovery Series 1 will never have the 3 amigos, that was only a Discovery 2 problem. While looking similar, the Series 1 has very few electronic problems compared to the Series 2.
14 Years ago the Disco was a good overlanding and 4x4 vehicle, now it's a good sidewalk crawler
The kid did a nice job.
For my money, the only Discovery to own is the 4, with a V8, from 2010-2013. It has all the elements needed for me. I also find them to be by far the most attractive Disco's. They have the perfect boxy SUV look IMO.
The technology is so good in the new Discovery. It hardly even slipped its wheels. That shows how much control the car is providing. The offset number plate on the new Discovery is just awful. In the UK there is a company that makes a new tailgate skin that puts the number plate central. Looks SO much better! The
Discovery 3 was THE best looking Discovery.
LOVED this video. First vehicle I bought after my divorce was a 2002 disco, hubby kept his 2014 LR2 all I had was 5k but I had places I wanted to go and I needed to get there dammit! I was just looking to get to my camp and climbing spots..oh but I’ve learned there’s so much more out there to do! Had NO idea what I was getting into with this truck. Two years ago I was a woman wanting another jeep-like vehicle and now I’ve kissed my hairdresser and makeup habits goodbye to buy my British lover custom modifications. I definitely don’t like the new LR’s. I appreciate having to go through the motions with the truck, figuring out what I need to do to get though each unique obstacle, and the confidence knowing that my vehicle CAN do it..that’s what it’s all about! Recently bought a rzr and even the towing capabilities of this thing have amazed me. I’ve caught a lot of crap from friends for buying a LR..after riding shotgun they’re wanting to buy it 😊..no way. Getcher own it’s MINE.
I don’t like the new design. Disco 3&4 are the most badass looking and offroad capable.. the new one is a tablet on wheels, and we all know how this tech ages... with days literally!
I have owned several Discos, I prefer the older design. Good review thanks.
I have done a few off road courses in a Disco, and they are amazing what they can do.
Of course almost none of them ever go off road. My Range Rover only did a few muddy fields.
thanks.
Yea my honda could handle everything on that trail except for the hole. Not sure that was a good example trail for what off-roading is. That looks like you are on a road.
I just reluctant traded in my 2004 Discovery after $6000 in repairs over 2 years of ownership and only 9,000 miles driven. I still love the body style and capability of the vehicle, though. It remains far cooler than that awkward soccer shoe design of the 2018 “Disco”
D2 all day long
Doesn't matter how much luxury the new has I still love the old school box style
I'd have the old Disco over that horrible looking new one all day long.
When I think of all the issues there were with the limited electronics on the older models I cannot imagine how the newer ones will fare. All the newer LR models have nothing to do with the former models and concepts, they are just luxury cars that incorporate the features to make owners feel tough and rugged and have the right image for a certain subset of humanity. They have completely left the sector that Land Rover was born and created from.
LOL. Those new land rovers look like 1960's moon vehicles. So utterly ridiculous looking.
I like the looks of the older one much much much better. I wish I could get old school look with new school tech.
Land Rovers are like super hot chicks that are terrible in bed
forevr2wheels 🤣🤣🤣🤣😄😄😄🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Ohh they're good in bed....but the next day you gotta take them shopping and some pampering
Nothin' like a big bouncy ride and they never run out on ya ! ;)
forevr2wheels
I would say that they are more like a super hot girlfriend who also has a raging drug problem.
High maintenance!
Teddy Sapp I can confirm, I drive an old one like in the video
This is excellent!! I had an '04 Disco, '10 LR4, and now I am looking into the new Disco for '19. Thank you so much for this. I like the family vibe of the vid & the wealth of historical and up to date knowledge. Hard to say which one I like the look of most. Both are beautiful, but the older Disco is just so meaty and classic. Thanks again!
2004 aint old something from 1960's thats old word.
kc0lif mine is 1968
I recently owned a Disco 2 TD5 03 build. Went nuts on it with the build and just got fed up with constant niggles. Bought a stock Prado same year and it's really just as capable, more comfortable and never breaks down or leaks. I love the LR badge but never again I'm afraid.
ugly, more computer electronics to fail, pos! old school rules!! New one looks like any other over priced suv!
I have a 2017 and I don’t understand all the hate, it’s awesome! Most versatile SUV on the market right now. Have 275/55-R20s on it that fit without rubbing. Can’t wait for ARB to make some bumpers and maybe someone can figure out how to mount rock rails. My biggest problem is actually accessing local, legal off-road terrain!
Square body every day.
Old or new the way those trucks or SUVs ride is always been very impressive! The new one and most cars these days and the a/c type knob's to shift the trans is something that I just can't feel really confident in. Sure they are fine it just feels so delicate!! Idk, cool but just strange still to me I guess. Cool video guys!! Thanx!!
both are a hot mess of British engineering, but at least the old one doesn't look like its sporting a full adult diaper.
As a proper Land rover enthusiast I had to like that comment.
Patrick Rich yeah, the ‘vestigial bump’ on the tailgate of the new model is definitely carrying something around 💩
Hilarious. The new one looks a lot like the Ford Explorer
Patrick Rich landrover has never been that great always selling with open diffs one when comes of the floor and no other wheels get power. Centre locker helps but the two wheels loose grip and two don’t get power. The G wagen lockers all round go anywhere
I like my fully locked truck, but if it gets you there...it gets you there. Well, I guess it should get you home too but that Toyota v Land Rover debate is for another day.
I'm driving an old 2002 4l Petrol out here in Cape Town. So cheap to buy and such a beast. Perfect for Africa for the price. Great show guys. Fun and informative.
Had a series 1 1956 a few years back ,original 4 cyl. motor, never missed a beat.carted a lot of firewood and pulled newer model 4x4 out of the bogs.