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That Ride-to-Camp vs. Camp-to-Ride is definitely one that I wish I'd known before! On my first attempt at the Washington BDR a number of years ago, I realized very shortly into it that I had brought WAY too much stuff. I've since come up with a few different load-outs depending on what I'm going to be doing, how long I'm going to be out, and how far away from civilization I'm going to be.
I like a cross between riding to camp and camping to ride. I want to spend most of my day on the road, but get to camp early enough so I can setup in daylight and have a some time to relax and unwind from the ride. My problem with some of the camping to ride folks is that in the morning when I'm packed and ready to go they're still in their sleeping bag. I'd rather get on the road earlier so I get to my next site in daylight than get started later and setup in the dark.
#4: Ride-to-Camp vs. Camp-to-Ride = pure gold! I've been riding motorcycles for decades, and have done some epic, coast-to-coast rides across the USA and Canada, and have always used camping as a "cheap motel". This allowed for ultra-light, compact luggage (roll-top duffel + tank bag) carrying 2 changes of clothes + backpacking tent + sleeping bag. I didn't carry a camp chair or cookware (food = granola bar in the morning + FF-restaurant during a fuel stop in the afternoon). Until now, all of my motorcycle camping has been done on street bikes (mostly sport bikes - e.g. my Honda VTR-1000 SuperHawk, and my BMW R1100RS have seen both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans). All of my off-road riding has been done as local day trips (in addition to my street-bikes, I've owned lightweight dual-sports for decades). Now I'm getting near retirement age so I'm planning to sell my street bikes and buy a mid-size adventure bike (Yamaha T7 or Aprilia T660). My retirement bucket list includes doing all the BDRs in the USA. With that in mind, this video made me rethink my camping setup (particularly since I plan to take some adventures spanning months; FF-restaurants can get pretty unhealthy over extended trips, so at minimum I'll add a lightweight cook-set (e.g. Trangia 27), and camp chair.
Lots of great points. I would add, if rolling into a dispersed or non-reserved camp site I try to bring everything I need in and not leave site. If I'm camping at a campground I'll setup and head into town for supplies. Some dispersed sites are great but I really don't want all my good gear to disappear. Leaving me to sleep with pork rinds and a 12 pack.
I camp off my sportbike.braughts n beans few step 2s n puff near fire. Doing TOD in may from ny...1st long solo trip.also I take a full med kit w neck brace..other than that I do what I need as I go..I make no plans or stops..less stressful..Great vids.
I'll be up in/around TOD first weekend in May. Safe travels down from NY. I'm over in the Huntsville, AL area. Riding a Triple Black GSA & staying at Dragon Racers Camp. Cheers.
I was a backpacker long before I started riding and camping. So having all the lightweight gear already was a plus. I have a sport touring bike so I try and disperse when I can get to it, but mostly developed campgrounds since I'm almost always on-road. I camped 10 days straight for 4000 miles last sepetmer and loved every day. I carry a lot of gear to be comfortable because I love the camping part of it too. I bring the chair and table too. I keep my Mosko bags always packed and ready, where all I pack is food for the trip. The two things I don't always use, but always take, hammock and firebox. Packing and unpacking was kind of a pain, so I over time, I duplicated some gear just so I didn't have to move it back and forth between car camping and backpacking storage. I once camped with a couple on Goldwings towing a tent trailer. They were out for 30 days straight! I love that there's so many styles and ways to ride and camp. I wish I had a bike that was a bit more capable for getting more off-grid, but for now I adventure on the one I have. Enjoy the ride!
Backpacker here, and I couldn't agree more! I see so many ADV rider videos with packing lists that make me cringe. In my (notso) perfect world, I would just strap my backpack on the bike (VStrom 650) and add my toolkit. Love your videos!
I came to motorcycle camping from backpacking, so I was used to going light. However, I found that I had to be careful about volume. It seems like everything fits well at the beginning of a trip, but once I start taking things out and putting them back, I can't find the right combo to minimize the volume. Also, don't put a gas container in the same pannier as food! Even though there's no sign of leaking, the odor permeates the food. But also food can't be near sleeping bag or tent because bears like the smell of food. I usually buy food daily, but I carry a freeze-dried meal or a can of stew in case I'm not near a store toward the end of the day or I'm just too tired to stop. I camp to ride, so I"m often going long days and then looking for a place to camp. I like forest service sites that are remote and often free, so they can be quite a ways from the last store.
The easy way to handle the "repacking paradox" is start 75% available volume. Obviously having a specific location for each bit and always putting it back the way it came out is the goal but sometimesyou just can't be bothered. Ben's process of smaller bags in bigger bags you likely know from backpacking and it works just as well on a motorcycle.
Biggest thing I learned on the last two trips, like when backpacking, try not to bring unitaskers. Sure, you need a certain level of tools but in 6700 miles of touring with only 1800 of interstate and much of it out of cell range...I used my multitool that includes a bit driver, all three kinds of tape and my plug kit/compressor (for someone else). I do hammock camp and if no trees are available, that hammock can be ground tent with two tie-offs. Your bike is one and screwdriver is the other. Same with your hangers/suspension. The suspension only needs to be long enough to circle a tree as the straps you tied your gear bag to the bike are you extensions when needed. A small all purpose tarp is a godsend for everything...including as a ground cloth under that hammock. Dawn dish soap in a 4oz squeeze bottle cleans your visor, dishes and you. First aid kit is bandaids, dermabond, butterflies, alcohol wipes, antibiotic cream and two mega guaze pads (actually better is traditional maxipads with no additives/scents/etc if you can find them). You already have everything in your kit to make larger bandages, splints, etc and a simple field first aid training will teach you that.
The definition of camping varies too. Especially with regard to cooking. I've been doing it since 1975, using a stereo stove, small tent, boy scout gear, tools, and not much else. No communication device then, either. Still do it minimalist, but with a better cook kit, coleman 533, better tent, better bag. But you are right about space, not weight, is key. And about camping to ride vs riding to camp.
I have only motorcycle camped a small handful of times but I have gone kayak camping many times. They are similar in the way volume matters more than weight. I love that I can just use the same gear on both the motorcycle and the kayak.
The 6th thing I wish I knew before I started Motorcycle Camping, there is a lot of content on CZcams to help you out, including your's and other backpacker channels
From what I thought would be a basic Moto camping video, there was a LOT of great information in it. I personally have waaaayyy to many parts, tools, rope, ‘just in case stuff’ on my bikes. I just sold one of my bikes, and when prepping it for the sale I was finding all kinds of stuff zip tied on, taped on, stuffed in a small crevice, etc etc It made my head spin. So like you said, if you don’t need it, get it off your bike.
Yes, more like this, and more MC camping! I am about to embark upon my first MC ride to camp ride next week. On my 1978 Honda XL175! Really excited and your videos are helping me get there. Especially the statement you made in a previous video: Just tear the Bandaid off and go!
I've found that the more technical the terrain you're going to be riding, the more important lighter weight becomes. Old age and injuries will eventually factor in too. Make sure you can lift your fully loaded bike by yourself.
I think I could listen to somebody ramble about the nuances of car camping versus backpacking versus moto camping for quite a long time. I endorse that video!
Love Motocamping . Prepping for the trip is half the fun I am guilty of bringing too much stuff. One thing I can’t do without is a 10” cast iron frying pan seems excessive but we cook almost every meal with it . Sacrifice other stuff just so we can have it!
I think people who come from a backpacking background will find it easier to transition to motocamping than people who car camp. They already have the minimalist mentality and will be pleasantly surprised with how much more they can bring versus car campers who may find it hard to pare down their items list. I had always been primarily a backpacker and even when going to a camp spot by car would just throw my backpack in the car and only use the gear I had in there. This made it very easy to upscale into motocamping. ✌️
Love you videos! It was great meeting at REI the other day. Just finished my last week of work and now am officially retired and just picked up my bike from the shop with new tires and fresh service. Thanks for mentioning the ability to adventure out and camp even on a less than ideal specialized adventure bike. I have had this old Honda for a while and I love the memories I have made with it so far, and have had it to the top of Snow Peak and out the forest roads at Camp Sherman and the Ochocos. Oops, sorry for the long gushy comment… Just so excited!!! Lol 😝!!!
Motorcycle camping can quickly become backpacking when you spend $1100 on gear and only $6 on gas. Another pro tip. Motorcycle boots make rotten hiking boots. Great video by the way, thanks for the info.
LOL.... "Freshly killed field mouse". Hope they can catch more than one. I've been trying to go camping on a Goldwing for a couple of years. But the bikes and set ups keep morphing. First it was just going to be me solo on a Goldwing, everything in a backpack. Then I got a trailer. Then I got a different Goldwing. Then I got a different trailer. Then I got a dog. Then I got a sidecar for the dog,,,,lol. Then I got a different Goldwing. I've spent all my time working on bikes and have not motorcycle camped once,,,lol. Now I'm on my 4th Goldwing and I think I've finally landed on the final set up. Just waiting on parts to finish setting up THIS Goldwing/sidecar/trailer rig. Hopefully me and my dog will get to hit the road this fall. Thanks for the inspiration.
Wife and I are heading out towards Yosemite, Moto camping this weekend on the 1250GS. Will document via GoPro. :-) We have a lot of gear that you recommended. Never fear we are not new to this, we have been Moto camping for years but even being “seasoned” Moto campers I’ve learned a lot from you vids. We will make sure we have a sharp stick.
Alright, I just found this channel today but I DEFINITELY want to go motorcycle camping with you. Love the channel; keep up the great work and thanks for being excellent to us!
Excellent distillation of the subject. I have camped with a friend and although we were on the same bikes, we had different ideas about quite a few things, I'll bet that if I went with another friend/s we would all have different sharp sticks. After my tools and strict necessities, I will always pack my Esspreso maker and you'll have to drag me kicking and screaming to Starbucks before I'll give that up. Thanks man.
The "set up camp, and then go into town" idea is great, if you have someone you're with who can stay and keep an eye on your camp and gear. I learned the hard way that you can't trust people. I went camping at a campground up in the mountains with some friends. We took his truck and my extra tent, that could sleep 6, because we had some other friends who might join us. Long story short, I left the rather large tent in the bed of his truck (50 feet from where we pitched the smaller tent) and my big tent was gone by morning. That was a pretty expensive lesson. So the idea of setting up camp and heading into town with nobody to watch my gear is a no-go for me.
Solid info. You’re %100 right there’s so many ways to do it and both the minimalist side plus the everything including the kitchen sink side can be very vocal on which was is best lol .. do what you enjoy and makes you happy! Great video!
You bet there is many different ways buddy..! 😃 For instance, I moto camp with a CBR1000RR. NO JOKE. I fell in love with moto camping even before I tried it just by watching CZcams videos. But I was unwilling to loose touch with the nimble handling that my CBR has to offer. So, last winter, I came up with a plan. I was looking at the top box mount on my father’s NC750X made by SW-Motech and thought to myself; wouldn’t it be nice if I could fit an SW-Motech Street Rack adapter to the CBR too. Then I could fit a Givi top box to it like him. I made a card board mock up of what my adapter would look like and got to work on fabricating an aluminum bracket that clips into the same mounts as the back seat. Nothing touches the paint work. I can remove the bracket and put the rear seat back on in 20 seconds. Of course, the CBR becomes a solo rider in Moto camp mode, but there’s nothing with finding my spiritual self in some twisty canyon by myself right??? 😉 The whole works, including the 47 litres top box weighs in at 27 lbs. Not too bad. Barely affects handling. And I can bring everything I need, including a chair, tent, sleeping bag, mat, drone, small stove, etc. Inside the top box. I do have a Kriega backpack for mostly a water bladder and rain gear but that’s it. It has been an absolute blast. Obviously, as you would imagine, I don’t off road. Camped 5 times last summer. My longest stay was 3 nights and four days. Awesome. I have a CRF300L Rally with a 28 litre top box that I have been on one off road moto camp trip with. Thanks for the inspiration. Ride on y’all.!!
I am a total ultralight camping proponent after walking across Europe for 90 days with a 25 litre pack which included my camping gear (I went for a tarp and bivy bag). Now I have a bike I'm blown away that I can take maybe two tee shirts instead of one! Anyway, my favourite items for reducing weight and bulk are Toaks titanium cooking cups, pans, pots, cutlery, etc. My mantra is why take more sh*t that you really don't need? Foodwise, I always buy on the day, on the way, but I do carry emergency carbohydrate in case I get stuck. I pack a small bag of instant cous cous because its light, long life, and requires a minimum of energy to prepare (just add boiled water). Hey...its better than dying :)
I, too, did the "bring everything but the kitchen sink" car camping thing for many years. Still do. I did, however, get tired of sorting through all my gear for things to take motocamping every time I chose to take the bike. So now I keep two separate piles of gear. I even have fishing gear specifically for camping from the bike. Fishing gear goes with me ALWAYS, LOL It may sound a bit extreme, but it sure does make packing less stressful! LOL
Good points were made. I’m sure these are things most of us learned after our first trip! For me I quickly realized how I didn’t need to worry about how much food I bought. My first big camping adventure I spent 3 1/2 hours on highways getting to the trail. I stopped in the nearby town before hitting gravel to have lunch at a nice mom and pop cafe and had a good conversation with a local about riding. Anywho, just stopping and having lunch alone allowed me not to worry about the little amount of food I brought so I had a nice dinner and breakfast at camp. Did a little more trail riding in the morning, and got back to town and stopped at the gas station to fill up, dispose of trash, and get another quick meal before heading home! So yeah for now on I’ll definitely be considering proximity to towns I’ll be in case I need absolutely anything on my upcoming adventures. Makes packing a little more stress free!
All great tips and suggestions. Also, I think one take away is the broad spectrum that is moto camping. From one Mountain House and a sharp stick, way off the beaten path to on and off main roads where you can easily source that night's meal. Moto camping can fit everybody's "style". I like that sharp stick idea, though. I have never tried to spear a deer from my bike 🤣
Great vid Ben, as usual. All good points but I think the real message that you and Amanda put out is just start doing it and learn as you go. Every trip, I learn something new which evolves as my "style" evolves. I'm going to try a few trips this year riding my KTM 500 rather than my AT. I think I can get my kit light enough to not give up to much comfort, but have the flexibility a lighter bike provides in terms of getting further off road. We'll see. Keep up the great work!
I'm looking at purchasing a KLR 650 S and came across your videos in my research. Love the channel. I do a lot of multi day backpacking trips. That is one reason I've been looking at the KLR. I'm a short guy, and the original was just too tall for me. Love the fit of the S model. I'm really enjoying your videos. Thanks.
Definitely in the group that had to learn what NOT to take. Started out hauling too much “just in case” stuff. After several trips with friends, we also realized we could share items as well. Good topic and great advice as always!
Ride to Camp vs Camp to Ride is a great way to frame up the type of trip you're planning. Also, while i agree $50 on a titanium fork is unnecessary, every pound you save by either buying higher end back level stuff adds up and collectively can really make a difference, and the quality stuff can work great for bicycle packing and back packing if you're into that like I am.
So I really like the part where you bring what you need. I have a bin of lightweight gear. I'll adjust even my kitchen gear for my menu plan or my Firestarter axe and saw if I'm going with someone that's bringing one already. I like to challenge my self on bringing the perfect amount of stuff.
One of the most important things I learned. Bringing a couple collapsible three gallon water jugs. It's a luxury item, but makes moto camping so much nicer than backpacking. I fill up close to my camp site, and I have water for everything. My french press coffee. Washing hands, face, making a stew, washing dishes, etc. Its just really nice having all that water at your campsite.
I did some bikepacking last year, learned a lot about what you actually need and smart ways to pack it all in very limited space. I can’t wait to transfer some of that knowledge into moto camping this year! Great tips and great vid, thanks!
You have just proven that being prepared is a individual thing AND no matter what kind of camping you are doing you learn as you go. I too have a car camping box.But I also have go to ultralight backpacking gear and my motorcycle kit evolves every time. I carried a full size guitar on my BMW in 1980, with camping gear for over 1000 miles. At that time it was necessary gear. I still smile thinking about it, and I am sure many thought I was nuts. I could critique anyone who carries a giant serrated knife and a crosscut saw, but its all about your comfort level and there is no right or wrong.Its your way and everyone else's way.
Before I got fancy with my NEMO Fillo Luxury Pillow, a good trick I learned from backpacking for a pillow solution was to just bring a pillowcase, then use a fleece folded inside of the pillowcase. Comfortable and a space savor.
As a life-long backpacker and dabbler in the arts and insanity of ultralight backpacking, I'd add that there are many products and lessons to be learned for ADV riders/campers from bikepacking. Basically, backpacking on a bicycle, where weight matters---but as you pointed out, volume matters, too. Making things fit and attach are important in bikepacking and apply to ADV. Good stuff from tools to tents in the bikepacking gear world.
Carry the biggest tent you can manage and a chair. That's my advice. Always have some food in case of a break down so if your stuck in one place for a day you will have something to eat.
I've been adventure motorcycling since the aughts, and this video still gave me a lot to think about, particularly the camp-to-ride vs ride-to-camp. This video was informative, concise, and insightful. Five stars, A++++ video maker!
If you really want to narrow down your gear list, get into bikepacking. More than backpacking every ounce adds up quickly when you have to pedal a loaded bike for several hours a day. It makes the "luxury" items way more appreciated when I pack for a moto trip.
Motorcycle camping is a motorized version of unassisted (no sag wagon) bicycle touring but better because you can take more stuff with you. And it doesn't require any peddling. And in either case you get to leave the cat at home.
Good stuff Dork, definitely some things I had not considered. Something that took me off guard when I was camping in Co and NM last year was that even though I consider myself a pretty self-sufficient gal, I was really spooked more than once while camping alone in the boonies. Not being able to see what was outside of my tent in the dark REALLY started freaking me out. I actually cut my trip short because of it :( Happy trails, Motorclaw
Great video! I guess I have always been a “camp to ride” guy. I’m a backpacker too so I have all the UL gear. I typically eat at restaurants and/or stop at a grocery store and pickup something really simple that can be prepared in a JetBoil. I don’t do off road or dispersed camping. I mostly stay at state parks, national forest, and municipal camping areas. My luxury items are a collapsible wine flask and a folding backpacking chair. So basically my motorcycle camping setup and my backpacking setup are pretty much identical except I don’t carry dehydrated backpacking meals when motorcycle camping. Different strokes though, if someone wants to strap a mountain of gear to their bike that’s cool, just not my thing…
Great Video and awesome advice! Where I live summer temperatures are really high and hence what I learned: A camel pack or some type of hydration system with an insulated tube, so you do not have to drink piss warm water are a godsend to stay hydrated, so your conectration does not falter. Stay hydrated and "This should be most triumphant." - Party on dude.
It's an interesting Topic! Lot's pf places to camp up in Washington where I'm from. For me most long hauls involve eateries and Motels n stuff. Finding goods along the way. In my case I tend to pack to light cuz I worry I won't have extra room If I decide I need to add stuff. So for me I'm not happy and comfy unless I have some spare room to haul the unexpected stuff I'm gonna learn I need. I've tried both way's, Try to plan. Try to bring every single thing you need. But then half the crap I planned for never get's used. I found that travel light approach is best for me. As I keep doing this I buy 1 or 2 items per trip that can be re-used on later rides. It's a DOUBLE EDGED SWORD thats fer sure lol....
I think the most important things are a chair and a good sleeping pad😅 that’s one problem with camping in general is getting out there not having a comfortable place to sit. A good chair is a must. I think it also depends on the weather. If it’s a warm summer night, you might be able to get by with just a tarp I’ve always wanted to try winter camping off of an ATV, and get kind of far out but an ATV still carries quite a bit.
ice is a precious luxury.. bring an insulator good enough to keep the ice as ice for 24 hours or better yet 2 maybe even 3 days (cold beer, cold coke, cold ice cream, cold water, cold juice.....)
Lol, your eyes started glowing when you started calling those Minimalists out.😇 Like being a Troll exactly knowing how to irritate them. 😁 Bad bad you.🤣🤣 And damn, the way you talked about that going to camp and vice versa. It almost got me emotional Sensei ! 🤗 That is the f*cking point i am always struggling with. Everytime. That is exactly what is giving me the stress while packing. Cause even then i can not decide. All options about that is at that moment still getting my brain into a mental warzone.🤭
Nice vid. Very good info. No advice fits everybodys situation so some things folks just have to figure out on their own. Very inspiring. Makes me want to pack up my 690 and head out but I don't even have a tent yet.
Great video! A few things I would add: -Best to go with at least one other person in case of injury or mechanical. -If going with others coordinate who is brining what to see if some items can be shared to minimize load. I'm a big fan of redundancy, but does everyone need to carry ways to heat water, water filtration systems, air compressors, etc. -Like you said, practice helps to dial in what you don't use and how to pack/unpack it. If going for your first long trip, doing a few practice single overnights near home is a great way to start dialing it in. If you forget something essential there is little consequence (just go home and get it) and you should start to find some of the things you need vs don't use. -We live in the PNW and have seen lots of large predators. Carry a way to protect yourself, we carry bear spray .
Great summary, Ben! We’ve started splitting up tools or gear (eg. one or two stoves and fuel canisters among 3-5 riders) to distribute weight, volume, and to allow some extra space for gear expansion syndrome-it never repacks as well as it did in the garage! Just be sure if someone needs to bail you grab any items needed by the remaining group!
It’s definitely something different. You can obviously carry two or three times as much as backpacking, but it is limited. I kind of want to do a small off-road trailer for stuff like that. Something where you could tow it out and set up camp and then do your writing afterwards. That doesn’t work for every trip but I think it would be cool. I just watched a channel where a guy put together a little trailer like that for his TW 200. It’s basically a small harbor, freight trailer with one of those rooftop car carriers on it, but it was light enough to tow behind a motorcycle. But it’s something that’s definitely fun and a way to get to places you wouldn’t normally be able to. Are used to do a lot of four-wheel-drive rock, crawling and fairly hard-core off-road Ing but I had a forerunner and you can get a bunch of gear in there. Hang out
I feel like I carry even less stuff on my trips, because I'm usually hotel sleeping. Pretty much just need some clothes, a computer, and a good bottle of bourbon.
I'm doing a 1000 mile round trip this week, all I'm taking is my trauma kit, notebook and pencil, toolkit, phone/satnav, 37WH power pack, USB wall charger, emergency radio & spare batteries, tarp, 80 feet of paracord, wet gear, a spork set, firesteel, wire saw, 2 butane lighters, cash and a credit card. Everything fits into a 20 litre pillion bag with room to spare.
In backpacking there's the 10 essentials, what are the 10 essentials for motorcycle camping? 10 things every moto camper should have no matter the style, grom to goldwing.
It's funny because the Goldwing and the pop up trailer is how I started moto camping with my dad. I sure hope when my buddy watches this and realizes that the, just in case and what ifs, can be left out and It's not just me telling him that he packs too much😆. He had so much on our first trip we could have rebuilt the engine...on all 3 bikes... and the space shuttle... WITH PARTS TO SPARE...need I say more
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That Ride-to-Camp vs. Camp-to-Ride is definitely one that I wish I'd known before! On my first attempt at the Washington BDR a number of years ago, I realized very shortly into it that I had brought WAY too much stuff. I've since come up with a few different load-outs depending on what I'm going to be doing, how long I'm going to be out, and how far away from civilization I'm going to be.
I like a cross between riding to camp and camping to ride. I want to spend most of my day on the road, but get to camp early enough so I can setup in daylight and have a some time to relax and unwind from the ride. My problem with some of the camping to ride folks is that in the morning when I'm packed and ready to go they're still in their sleeping bag. I'd rather get on the road earlier so I get to my next site in daylight than get started later and setup in the dark.
#4: Ride-to-Camp vs. Camp-to-Ride = pure gold!
I've been riding motorcycles for decades, and have done some epic, coast-to-coast rides across the USA and Canada, and have always used camping as a "cheap motel". This allowed for ultra-light, compact luggage (roll-top duffel + tank bag) carrying 2 changes of clothes + backpacking tent + sleeping bag. I didn't carry a camp chair or cookware (food = granola bar in the morning + FF-restaurant during a fuel stop in the afternoon). Until now, all of my motorcycle camping has been done on street bikes (mostly sport bikes - e.g. my Honda VTR-1000 SuperHawk, and my BMW R1100RS have seen both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans). All of my off-road riding has been done as local day trips (in addition to my street-bikes, I've owned lightweight dual-sports for decades).
Now I'm getting near retirement age so I'm planning to sell my street bikes and buy a mid-size adventure bike (Yamaha T7 or Aprilia T660). My retirement bucket list includes doing all the BDRs in the USA. With that in mind, this video made me rethink my camping setup (particularly since I plan to take some adventures spanning months; FF-restaurants can get pretty unhealthy over extended trips, so at minimum I'll add a lightweight cook-set (e.g. Trangia 27), and camp chair.
Lots of great points. I would add, if rolling into a dispersed or non-reserved camp site I try to bring everything I need in and not leave site. If I'm camping at a campground I'll setup and head into town for supplies. Some dispersed sites are great but I really don't want all my good gear to disappear. Leaving me to sleep with pork rinds and a 12 pack.
Field mouse dumpling soup! Good stuff!
I can’t praise your video’s enough. I have never owned a motorbike but am currently planning on buying one; your advice has been invaluable.
I camp off my sportbike.braughts n beans few step 2s n puff near fire. Doing TOD in may from ny...1st long solo trip.also I take a full med kit w neck brace..other than that I do what I need as I go..I make no plans or stops..less stressful..Great vids.
I'll be up in/around TOD first weekend in May. Safe travels down from NY. I'm over in the Huntsville, AL area. Riding a Triple Black GSA & staying at Dragon Racers Camp. Cheers.
I was a backpacker long before I started riding and camping. So having all the lightweight gear already was a plus. I have a sport touring bike so I try and disperse when I can get to it, but mostly developed campgrounds since I'm almost always on-road. I camped 10 days straight for 4000 miles last sepetmer and loved every day. I carry a lot of gear to be comfortable because I love the camping part of it too. I bring the chair and table too. I keep my Mosko bags always packed and ready, where all I pack is food for the trip. The two things I don't always use, but always take, hammock and firebox. Packing and unpacking was kind of a pain, so I over time, I duplicated some gear just so I didn't have to move it back and forth between car camping and backpacking storage. I once camped with a couple on Goldwings towing a tent trailer. They were out for 30 days straight! I love that there's so many styles and ways to ride and camp. I wish I had a bike that was a bit more capable for getting more off-grid, but for now I adventure on the one I have. Enjoy the ride!
Backpacker here, and I couldn't agree more! I see so many ADV rider videos with packing lists that make me cringe. In my (notso) perfect world, I would just strap my backpack on the bike (VStrom 650) and add my toolkit. Love your videos!
I came to motorcycle camping from backpacking, so I was used to going light. However, I found that I had to be careful about volume. It seems like everything fits well at the beginning of a trip, but once I start taking things out and putting them back, I can't find the right combo to minimize the volume. Also, don't put a gas container in the same pannier as food! Even though there's no sign of leaking, the odor permeates the food. But also food can't be near sleeping bag or tent because bears like the smell of food. I usually buy food daily, but I carry a freeze-dried meal or a can of stew in case I'm not near a store toward the end of the day or I'm just too tired to stop. I camp to ride, so I"m often going long days and then looking for a place to camp. I like forest service sites that are remote and often free, so they can be quite a ways from the last store.
The easy way to handle the "repacking paradox" is start 75% available volume. Obviously having a specific location for each bit and always putting it back the way it came out is the goal but sometimesyou just can't be bothered. Ben's process of smaller bags in bigger bags you likely know from backpacking and it works just as well on a motorcycle.
Biggest thing I learned on the last two trips, like when backpacking, try not to bring unitaskers.
Sure, you need a certain level of tools but in 6700 miles of touring with only 1800 of interstate and much of it out of cell range...I used my multitool that includes a bit driver, all three kinds of tape and my plug kit/compressor (for someone else).
I do hammock camp and if no trees are available, that hammock can be ground tent with two tie-offs. Your bike is one and screwdriver is the other. Same with your hangers/suspension. The suspension only needs to be long enough to circle a tree as the straps you tied your gear bag to the bike are you extensions when needed. A small all purpose tarp is a godsend for everything...including as a ground cloth under that hammock.
Dawn dish soap in a 4oz squeeze bottle cleans your visor, dishes and you.
First aid kit is bandaids, dermabond, butterflies, alcohol wipes, antibiotic cream and two mega guaze pads (actually better is traditional maxipads with no additives/scents/etc if you can find them). You already have everything in your kit to make larger bandages, splints, etc and a simple field first aid training will teach you that.
I’m really glad the CZcams algorithm matched me with the dork in the road! I really appreciate your honest candid advice, love your videos!
The definition of camping varies too. Especially with regard to cooking. I've been doing it since 1975, using a stereo stove, small tent, boy scout gear, tools, and not much else. No communication device then, either. Still do it minimalist, but with a better cook kit, coleman 533, better tent, better bag. But you are right about space, not weight, is key. And about camping to ride vs riding to camp.
I ride 2 up, usually we have to hotel, too much stuff. I miss camping.
I have only motorcycle camped a small handful of times but I have gone kayak camping many times. They are similar in the way volume matters more than weight. I love that I can just use the same gear on both the motorcycle and the kayak.
The 6th thing I wish I knew before I started Motorcycle Camping, there is a lot of content on CZcams to help you out, including your's and other backpacker channels
From what I thought would be a basic Moto camping video, there was a LOT of great information in it.
I personally have waaaayyy to many parts, tools, rope, ‘just in case stuff’ on my bikes. I just sold one of my bikes, and when prepping it for the sale I was finding all kinds of stuff zip tied on, taped on, stuffed in a small crevice, etc etc
It made my head spin. So like you said, if you don’t need it, get it off your bike.
Yes, more like this, and more MC camping! I am about to embark upon my first MC ride to camp ride next week. On my 1978 Honda XL175! Really excited and your videos are helping me get there. Especially the statement you made in a previous video: Just tear the Bandaid off and go!
"Freshly Killed Field Mouse" 😂 ...you earned a subscriber with that one!!!
I've found that the more technical the terrain you're going to be riding, the more important lighter weight becomes. Old age and injuries will eventually factor in too. Make sure you can lift your fully loaded bike by yourself.
Volume is more important than weight.. best advice
I think I could listen to somebody ramble about the nuances of car camping versus backpacking versus moto camping for quite a long time. I endorse that video!
Love Motocamping . Prepping for the trip is half the fun I am guilty of bringing too much stuff. One thing I can’t do without is a 10” cast iron frying pan seems excessive but we cook almost every meal with it . Sacrifice other stuff just so we can have it!
Love this...the philosophy of motorcycle camping :)
I think people who come from a backpacking background will find it easier to transition to motocamping than people who car camp.
They already have the minimalist mentality and will be pleasantly surprised with how much more they can bring versus car campers who may find it hard to pare down their items list.
I had always been primarily a backpacker and even when going to a camp spot by car would just throw my backpack in the car and only use the gear I had in there. This made it very easy to upscale into motocamping. ✌️
Love you videos! It was great meeting at REI the other day. Just finished my last week of work and now am officially retired and just picked up my bike from the shop with new tires and fresh service. Thanks for mentioning the ability to adventure out and camp even on a less than ideal specialized adventure bike. I have had this old Honda for a while and I love the memories I have made with it so far, and have had it to the top of Snow Peak and out the forest roads at Camp Sherman and the Ochocos. Oops, sorry for the long gushy comment… Just so excited!!! Lol 😝!!!
congrats on retirement!
Motorcycle camping can quickly become backpacking when you spend $1100 on gear and only $6 on gas.
Another pro tip. Motorcycle boots make rotten hiking boots.
Great video by the way, thanks for the info.
LOL.... "Freshly killed field mouse". Hope they can catch more than one.
I've been trying to go camping on a Goldwing for a couple of years. But the bikes and set ups keep morphing. First it was just going to be me solo on a Goldwing, everything in a backpack. Then I got a trailer. Then I got a different Goldwing. Then I got a different trailer. Then I got a dog. Then I got a sidecar for the dog,,,,lol. Then I got a different Goldwing. I've spent all my time working on bikes and have not motorcycle camped once,,,lol.
Now I'm on my 4th Goldwing and I think I've finally landed on the final set up. Just waiting on parts to finish setting up THIS Goldwing/sidecar/trailer rig. Hopefully me and my dog will get to hit the road this fall.
Thanks for the inspiration.
Wife and I are heading out towards Yosemite, Moto camping this weekend on the 1250GS. Will document via GoPro. :-) We have a lot of gear that you recommended. Never fear we are not new to this, we have been Moto camping for years but even being “seasoned” Moto campers I’ve learned a lot from you vids. We will make sure we have a sharp stick.
Good knowledge....sharing is caring. ;)
Thanks for watching!
Alright, I just found this channel today but I DEFINITELY want to go motorcycle camping with you. Love the channel; keep up the great work and thanks for being excellent to us!
Excellent distillation of the subject. I have camped with a friend and although we were on the same bikes, we had different ideas about quite a few things, I'll bet that if I went with another friend/s we would all have different sharp sticks. After my tools and strict necessities, I will always pack my Esspreso maker and you'll have to drag me kicking and screaming to Starbucks before I'll give that up. Thanks man.
The "set up camp, and then go into town" idea is great, if you have someone you're with who can stay and keep an eye on your camp and gear.
I learned the hard way that you can't trust people. I went camping at a campground up in the mountains with some friends. We took his truck and my extra tent, that could sleep 6, because we had some other friends who might join us.
Long story short, I left the rather large tent in the bed of his truck (50 feet from where we pitched the smaller tent) and my big tent was gone by morning. That was a pretty expensive lesson.
So the idea of setting up camp and heading into town with nobody to watch my gear is a no-go for me.
Solid info. You’re %100 right there’s so many ways to do it and both the minimalist side plus the everything including the kitchen sink side can be very vocal on which was is best lol .. do what you enjoy and makes you happy! Great video!
Definitely would like more camping tips and tricks and just camping vids in general.
You bet there is many different ways buddy..! 😃
For instance, I moto camp with a CBR1000RR. NO JOKE.
I fell in love with moto camping even before I tried it just by watching CZcams videos.
But I was unwilling to loose touch with the nimble handling that my CBR has to offer.
So, last winter, I came up with a plan. I was looking at the top box mount on my father’s NC750X made by SW-Motech and thought to myself; wouldn’t it be nice if I could fit an SW-Motech Street Rack adapter to the CBR too. Then I could fit a Givi top box to it like him.
I made a card board mock up of what my adapter would look like and got to work on fabricating an aluminum bracket that clips into the same mounts as the back seat. Nothing touches the paint work. I can remove the bracket and put the rear seat back on in 20 seconds.
Of course, the CBR becomes a solo rider in Moto camp mode, but there’s nothing with finding my spiritual self in some twisty canyon by myself right??? 😉
The whole works, including the 47 litres top box weighs in at 27 lbs.
Not too bad. Barely affects handling. And I can bring everything I need, including a chair, tent, sleeping bag, mat, drone, small stove, etc. Inside the top box.
I do have a Kriega backpack for mostly a water bladder and rain gear but that’s it.
It has been an absolute blast. Obviously, as you would imagine, I don’t off road. Camped 5 times last summer. My longest stay was 3 nights and four days. Awesome.
I have a CRF300L Rally with a 28 litre top box that I have been on one off road moto camp trip with.
Thanks for the inspiration.
Ride on y’all.!!
Tnx for a great video. Keep em coming 😊
I am a total ultralight camping proponent after walking across Europe for 90 days with a 25 litre pack which included my camping gear (I went for a tarp and bivy bag). Now I have a bike I'm blown away that I can take maybe two tee shirts instead of one! Anyway, my favourite items for reducing weight and bulk are Toaks titanium cooking cups, pans, pots, cutlery, etc. My mantra is why take more sh*t that you really don't need?
Foodwise, I always buy on the day, on the way, but I do carry emergency carbohydrate in case I get stuck. I pack a small bag of instant cous cous because its light, long life, and requires a minimum of energy to prepare (just add boiled water). Hey...its better than dying :)
I, too, did the "bring everything but the kitchen sink" car camping thing for many years. Still do.
I did, however, get tired of sorting through all my gear for things to take motocamping every time I chose to take the bike. So now I keep two separate piles of gear. I even have fishing gear specifically for camping from the bike. Fishing gear goes with me ALWAYS, LOL
It may sound a bit extreme, but it sure does make packing less stressful! LOL
Good points were made. I’m sure these are things most of us learned after our first trip! For me I quickly realized how I didn’t need to worry about how much food I bought. My first big camping adventure I spent 3 1/2 hours on highways getting to the trail. I stopped in the nearby town before hitting gravel to have lunch at a nice mom and pop cafe and had a good conversation with a local about riding. Anywho, just stopping and having lunch alone allowed me not to worry about the little amount of food I brought so I had a nice dinner and breakfast at camp. Did a little more trail riding in the morning, and got back to town and stopped at the gas station to fill up, dispose of trash, and get another quick meal before heading home! So yeah for now on I’ll definitely be considering proximity to towns I’ll be in case I need absolutely anything on my upcoming adventures. Makes packing a little more stress free!
All great tips and suggestions. Also, I think one take away is the broad spectrum that is moto camping. From one Mountain House and a sharp stick, way off the beaten path to on and off main roads where you can easily source that night's meal. Moto camping can fit everybody's "style". I like that sharp stick idea, though. I have never tried to spear a deer from my bike 🤣
Please film it if you give it a try.
Haha that beer is so good!!
Field mouse Vern.. A FiElD MoUSE!
Great vid Ben, as usual. All good points but I think the real message that you and Amanda put out is just start doing it and learn as you go. Every trip, I learn something new which evolves as my "style" evolves. I'm going to try a few trips this year riding my KTM 500 rather than my AT. I think I can get my kit light enough to not give up to much comfort, but have the flexibility a lighter bike provides in terms of getting further off road. We'll see. Keep up the great work!
Very true! You aren't going to know everything when you go out the first time, but going out the first time is the only way to start learning!
I'm looking at purchasing a KLR 650 S and came across your videos in my research. Love the channel. I do a lot of multi day backpacking trips. That is one reason I've been looking at the KLR. I'm a short guy, and the original was just too tall for me. Love the fit of the S model. I'm really enjoying your videos. Thanks.
Definitely in the group that had to learn what NOT to take. Started out hauling too much “just in case” stuff. After several trips with friends, we also realized we could share items as well. Good topic and great advice as always!
Ride to Camp vs Camp to Ride is a great way to frame up the type of trip you're planning. Also, while i agree $50 on a titanium fork is unnecessary, every pound you save by either buying higher end back level stuff adds up and collectively can really make a difference, and the quality stuff can work great for bicycle packing and back packing if you're into that like I am.
So I really like the part where you bring what you need. I have a bin of lightweight gear. I'll adjust even my kitchen gear for my menu plan or my Firestarter axe and saw if I'm going with someone that's bringing one already. I like to challenge my self on bringing the perfect amount of stuff.
Loving this mate. Getting my bike and kit together to do adventure riding in Victoria Australia. Cant go past this advice!
One of the most important things I learned. Bringing a couple collapsible three gallon water jugs. It's a luxury item, but makes moto camping so much nicer than backpacking. I fill up close to my camp site, and I have water for everything. My french press coffee. Washing hands, face, making a stew, washing dishes, etc. Its just really nice having all that water at your campsite.
I did some bikepacking last year, learned a lot about what you actually need and smart ways to pack it all in very limited space. I can’t wait to transfer some of that knowledge into moto camping this year! Great tips and great vid, thanks!
You have just proven that being prepared is a individual thing AND no matter what kind of camping you are doing you learn as you go. I too have a car camping box.But I also have go to ultralight backpacking gear and my motorcycle kit evolves every time. I carried a full size guitar on my BMW in 1980, with camping gear for over 1000 miles. At that time it was necessary gear. I still smile thinking about it, and I am sure many thought I was nuts. I could critique anyone who carries a giant serrated knife and a crosscut saw, but its all about your comfort level and there is no right or wrong.Its your way and everyone else's way.
Before I got fancy with my NEMO Fillo Luxury Pillow, a good trick I learned from backpacking for a pillow solution was to just bring a pillowcase, then use a fleece folded inside of the pillowcase. Comfortable and a space savor.
Motorcycle camping.... like backpacking but you can still buy your kit at Canadian Tire (or Walmart).
I like the vibes of this video, keep it up dork!
Thanks really appreciate all the tips on camping I'm thinking about a trip this weekend
As a life-long backpacker and dabbler in the arts and insanity of ultralight backpacking, I'd add that there are many products and lessons to be learned for ADV riders/campers from bikepacking. Basically, backpacking on a bicycle, where weight matters---but as you pointed out, volume matters, too. Making things fit and attach are important in bikepacking and apply to ADV. Good stuff from tools to tents in the bikepacking gear world.
I camp off of a GS. I like to carry a Honda Grom in one of my panniers in case of a breakdown, or if I need to hit the Starbucks real quick
Good video, thanks.
Carry the biggest tent you can manage and a chair. That's my advice. Always have some food in case of a break down so if your stuck in one place for a day you will have something to eat.
I can’t believe the gold winger folks give you so much heat😂
Haha when I had my Goldwing 1800 I carried the biggest cooler I could fit in the passenger seat.
Most important item is a tent for your motorcycle in point of fact.
yes, yes, and yes, I love these videos.
I've been adventure motorcycling since the aughts, and this video still gave me a lot to think about, particularly the camp-to-ride vs ride-to-camp. This video was informative, concise, and insightful. Five stars, A++++ video maker!
Thanks for the real world tips ! You inspire me to get out there always !
Thanks for watching!
I'm working on the pain. But I'm riding an camping 🏕 this season. Thanks for sharing 👍.
Great video! Thanks for the super useful info
Big pro tip for me was bring a camping hammock instead of a tent, especially up here in the PNW where trees are abundant.
Do hammocks keep the mosquitos out like do they usually hav3 a net attachment
@@Thundernoob98 Yeah, most camping hammocks come with an attached net.
If you really want to narrow down your gear list, get into bikepacking. More than backpacking every ounce adds up quickly when you have to pedal a loaded bike for several hours a day. It makes the "luxury" items way more appreciated when I pack for a moto trip.
Motorcycle camping is a motorized version of unassisted (no sag wagon) bicycle touring but better because you can take more stuff with you. And it doesn't require any peddling. And in either case you get to leave the cat at home.
Good stuff Dork, definitely some things I had not considered. Something that took me off guard when I was camping in Co and NM last year was that even though I consider myself a pretty self-sufficient gal, I was really spooked more than once while camping alone in the boonies. Not being able to see what was outside of my tent in the dark REALLY started freaking me out. I actually cut my trip short because of it :( Happy trails, Motorclaw
Great video! I guess I have always been a “camp to ride” guy. I’m a backpacker too so I have all the UL gear. I typically eat at restaurants and/or stop at a grocery store and pickup something really simple that can be prepared in a JetBoil. I don’t do off road or dispersed camping. I mostly stay at state parks, national forest, and municipal camping areas. My luxury items are a collapsible wine flask and a folding backpacking chair. So basically my motorcycle camping setup and my backpacking setup are pretty much identical except I don’t carry dehydrated backpacking meals when motorcycle camping. Different strokes though, if someone wants to strap a mountain of gear to their bike that’s cool, just not my thing…
Great Video and awesome advice! Where I live summer temperatures are really high and hence what I learned: A camel pack or some type of hydration system with an insulated tube, so you do not have to drink piss warm water are a godsend to stay hydrated, so your conectration does not falter. Stay hydrated and "This should be most triumphant." - Party on dude.
It's an interesting Topic! Lot's pf places to camp up in Washington where I'm from. For me most long hauls involve eateries and Motels n stuff. Finding goods along the way. In my case I tend to pack to light cuz I worry I won't have extra room If I decide I need to add stuff. So for me I'm not happy and comfy unless I have some spare room to haul the unexpected stuff I'm gonna learn I need. I've tried both way's, Try to plan. Try to bring every single thing you need. But then half the crap I planned for never get's used. I found that travel light approach is best for me. As I keep doing this I buy 1 or 2 items per trip that can be re-used on later rides. It's a DOUBLE EDGED SWORD thats fer sure lol....
Such a great help!!! Thank you!
Great tips keep them coming.
Awesome content. As a new moto camper this info is super helpful. Sunscribed!! Thank you.
A bit disparaging to ultralight guys.... 😂 There's a lot of us into UL who prioritize comfort and count ounces.
Great nudge to think about what type of camping I'm going to do. I'm building a small mono wheel trailer for gear and this helps a lot! Thanks
I think the most important things are a chair and a good sleeping pad😅 that’s one problem with camping in general is getting out there not having a comfortable place to sit. A good chair is a must.
I think it also depends on the weather. If it’s a warm summer night, you might be able to get by with just a tarp I’ve always wanted to try winter camping off of an ATV, and get kind of far out but an ATV still carries quite a bit.
I love the idea of a full video on the topic! Keep up the great videos!
ice is a precious luxury.. bring an insulator good enough to keep the ice as ice for 24 hours or better yet 2 maybe even 3 days (cold beer, cold coke, cold ice cream, cold water, cold juice.....)
I really like your moto camping videos can't wait to see more this year
cool video as always, more tips or situation
Love all of your videos! This is one of your best. Thanks DORK.
Lol, your eyes started glowing when you started calling those Minimalists out.😇 Like being a Troll exactly knowing how to irritate them. 😁
Bad bad you.🤣🤣
And damn, the way you talked about that going to camp and vice versa. It almost got me emotional Sensei ! 🤗
That is the f*cking point i am always struggling with. Everytime. That is exactly what is giving me the stress while packing. Cause even then i can not decide. All options about that is at that moment still getting my brain into a mental warzone.🤭
Nice vid. Very good info. No advice fits everybodys situation so some things folks just have to figure out on their own. Very inspiring. Makes me want to pack up my 690 and head out but I don't even have a tent yet.
excellent advice Ben I agree with you all the way on this one.
About to start thanks 4 the tips
Great video! A few things I would add:
-Best to go with at least one other person in case of injury or mechanical.
-If going with others coordinate who is brining what to see if some items can be shared to minimize load. I'm a big fan of redundancy, but does everyone need to carry ways to heat water, water filtration systems, air compressors, etc.
-Like you said, practice helps to dial in what you don't use and how to pack/unpack it. If going for your first long trip, doing a few practice single overnights near home is a great way to start dialing it in. If you forget something essential there is little consequence (just go home and get it) and you should start to find some of the things you need vs don't use.
-We live in the PNW and have seen lots of large predators. Carry a way to protect yourself, we carry bear spray .
Great summary, Ben! We’ve started splitting up tools or gear (eg. one or two stoves and fuel canisters among 3-5 riders) to distribute weight, volume, and to allow some extra space for gear expansion syndrome-it never repacks as well as it did in the garage! Just be sure if someone needs to bail you grab any items needed by the remaining group!
Great video!! As a lady motocamper, I OVER PACK.. Girl has her needs fo sho, but I have scaled back a lot. No more baby Yoda in my pack.
It’s definitely something different. You can obviously carry two or three times as much as backpacking, but it is limited. I kind of want to do a small off-road trailer for stuff like that. Something where you could tow it out and set up camp and then do your writing afterwards. That doesn’t work for every trip but I think it would be cool. I just watched a channel where a guy put together a little trailer like that for his TW 200. It’s basically a small harbor, freight trailer with one of those rooftop car carriers on it, but it was light enough to tow behind a motorcycle. But it’s something that’s definitely fun and a way to get to places you wouldn’t normally be able to.
Are used to do a lot of four-wheel-drive rock, crawling and fairly hard-core off-road Ing but I had a forerunner and you can get a bunch of gear in there. Hang out
I feel like I carry even less stuff on my trips, because I'm usually hotel sleeping. Pretty much just need some clothes, a computer, and a good bottle of bourbon.
I'm doing a 1000 mile round trip this week, all I'm taking is my trauma kit, notebook and pencil, toolkit, phone/satnav, 37WH power pack, USB wall charger, emergency radio & spare batteries, tarp, 80 feet of paracord, wet gear, a spork set, firesteel, wire saw, 2 butane lighters, cash and a credit card. Everything fits into a 20 litre pillion bag with room to spare.
In backpacking there's the 10 essentials, what are the 10 essentials for motorcycle camping? 10 things every moto camper should have no matter the style, grom to goldwing.
It's funny because the Goldwing and the pop up trailer is how I started moto camping with my dad.
I sure hope when my buddy watches this and realizes that the, just in case and what ifs, can be left out and It's not just me telling him that he packs too much😆. He had so much on our first trip we could have rebuilt the engine...on all 3 bikes... and the space shuttle... WITH PARTS TO SPARE...need I say more
what I did on my first and second camp. I went to a local state camp and camped for weekend. then another.Ifigured out what I really needed and not.