In all honesty, more people should be like her, willing to patently wait for their turn in the conversation to make their point. The other woman needs to stop arguing and be polite
Patrick Perez out of character yes. but that's probably for the best. Steven can come across as a know it all dick (I find it hilarious, personally) and I'm sure he's become more aware and working on it to make him more palatable to a broader audience.
You ain’t gotta be rude and purposely say HE. I mean she was pretty civil and yea she’s biologically born a dude, but you ain’t gotta disrespect her like that cmon she was just bein nice
Watching the second girl try to hash out the contradiction between "gender is a social construct" and "the brain scans show theres a male and female brain" only to realize she outmatched logically and have to resort to the classic "if i don't threaten your existence why do you care? "retort was fantasticly entertaining
She also said that she was born intersex but the doctor labeled her a woman so that is why she is a woman. I bet you she would still be a woman even if she was labeled a male.
I think when most people say "gender is a social construct" they more often mean gender ROLES are a social construct, e.g. women cook and fold laundry, and men are breadwinners. there is no biological or inherent reason a man shouldn't cook or be worse than a woman at cooking or folding clothes. Women can and do make more than their husbands as well. these are things because we said they are things. That doesn't mean these roles aren't real, but rather that they are constructs of our society. We decided that "xyz" is what men do and "abc" is what women do. Money is a social construct for example. It has value because we all decided it does (maybe you could argue otherwise with the gold standard, but I digress). Does this mean that money isn't real? No. It just means that it is only relevant within society. Whether or not these roles are beneficial for us as a whole is a different topic. These gender roles have changed throughout history as well. Logic would assume if these roles were innate, they wouldn't change much if at all. Yet things like clothes, hair, and jobs have all been fluid and different between cultures. Hope this makes sense!
Well she didn't change my mind but Danielle probably gave one of the best arguments I've heard. Whilst being polite, respectful and even trying to view points from the opposite side. Bravo Danielle, bravo.
@EpicHockeyPosters I understood where she was coming from too. I even understood her rude employee. I can see that things are not so black and white and minuet changes can happen in the brain that will put you on a "spectrum". I think the question that should be asked is if those rare brain anomalies should require significant complications to societal structures. If you have infinite categories then you have infinite rules? or would it just be an "other" category? There wouldn't be so much controversy if they would just decide on one pronoun. Just as all types of men settle for he and all types of women settle for she.
@@Kelly-pp1et 🤣😂 you beat me to it - one of my favourite quotes. One Other: "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague". ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43BC)
What you are saying makes sense, but I believe the phrase would make more sense if it was worded this way " It's hard to have a productive discussion with a smart person but it is far more difficult to have a productive discussion with a less intelligent and ideologically possessed person". I don't think the purpose should be to "win" the argument but to listen to both perspectives and try to get at the truth.
Yesterday's language is not necessarily a good way to describe today. Look up the term lunatic and ask "is that a good way to describe someone with epilepsy?"
@@ciaranobrien8709 are you implying that the term ‘lunatic’ was once used to describe epeleptic patients? Because I don’t know that that’s true. If it is, that’s news to me. I also think you may be cherry-picking a rare example. Also, the argument isn’t that we shouldn’t adjust or evolve any of our language, it’s that we shouldn’t deem it “hate speech.”
Thankfully in America, "hate speech" is protected speech. Be cause if everyone said only things that are in agreement with everyone else, freedom of speech wouldn't be a thing.@@GenericNintendoKid
The world would be a much better place if more people could just have conversations like this. Danielle, you are a prime representative of your community.
@Sherman adventures I'm happy to call.people what they would like to be called if they can articulate themselves like that and have respect for both sides of the argument like she did . We get it , she is biolocially a man , but considers herself a trans women . It's the aggressive , patronizing trans people i refuse to acknowledge, not the nice people.
@Sherman adventures you're clearly projecting some of your own issues man , unless somone is screaming in your face to make you call.them what they want you to call.them, Why would it bother you so much ?
@Sherman adventures terrible example . They are not identifying as older or younger, which has legitimate benefits and responsibilities, it clearly does bother you, you felt the need to post what you did . I just struggle to see why . I don't want transgender to become.the norm and it be pushed on people , but I could not care less what an adult does with his or her life aslong as it's not harming anyone .
@Sherman adventures because you said age isn't important . But gender is . It was tongue in cheek, but looks like I hit a nerve since you reported my comment .
This woman is a class act, the fact that she is able to have a civil and honest conversation about the topic. I think society would cover more ground if everyone could be so respectful. At the end of the day I think all people just want to be heard. It’s up to each individual to understand or have empathy.
I know I find myself listening and wanting to find common ground with her just Bcs of her attitude I normally wouldn’t call a trans woman her but I want to be respectful to somone I’ve never met
Lets be honest she was full of shit but yes people should be able to speak this way without getting crazy even with different opinions that i agree with but most of what she said was pure bs.
29:58 "So imagine a world where people can tell you that you're incorrect" - I found this sentence hilarious, because it does not take that much imagination, that is already like that and that is actually how it should be.
It's simple until it becomes law and throws the whole way of life down the toilet coz we cant get a simple answer to how many genders are there or how many pronouns are there so we can make new laws based on those premises. Just like Canada that made it law and now look at the shit show its cuased as a result of premature law changes before common ground can be established for the a law to be created and thats the point Crowder is making, he doesnt care how you identify thats your choice all the more for you, just dont force laws to fit the narrative of a minority that cant even give a simple number to start the basis of a new law
Me and im glad af. I learned a lot, watched the whole vid, here at 6 am, laying on bed trying to sleep the whole night. So yeah I'm pretty glad I had this on my time-line.
I got it randomly recommended and now I'm scared to watch it because i already randomly got a anti abortion video recommended today and i don't want it to be terrible as well /:
I got it randomly recommended and now I'm scared to watch it because i already randomly got a anti abortion video recommended today and i don't want it to be terrible as well /:
I really wish there was more opposing people like this, she properly brought up statistics and calmly argued. Most times it ends in insulting steve or yelling or arguements based completely on feelings and anecdotal stats
2 points to make here. 1 - the first person interviewed was possibly the most sensible, least antagonistic trans person I have ever seen discussing the subject. Full respect to them. 2 Steven Crowder - when you chatted with the second girl she mentioned the Male Brain and you kept insisting that she brought it up. She didn't - you brought it up in your previous discussion with her boss, and she was standing there recording it.
😂 sigh snowflake. Is she her boss or her own person. Did he say that to her at any point in THEIR conversation no. And that's what matters she doesn't pay attention and you have selective comment posting disorder
That's a fair point, yes crowder brought up the male brain and female brain statement first, but he brought that up in the first conversation, which went entirely different compared to 2nd conversation. He brought it up in the first talk and then the 2nd one brought it up first.
@@x_nathanite_x The whole point of her stepping in after her boss moved on was to debate points he had made while talking to her boss. He cannot claim that he didn't say it just because he wasn't talking to her at the time. She heard him say it, and she is challenging him on it. If he had posted her discussion as a separate video he might have gotten away with it, but by insisting she brought it up first, when we can clearly see he did, he is just weakening his credibility.
@@robbrown6495 I understand the point you're making, I'm just saying that although crowder did bring up the topic of male and female brains first, when they were talking about a different topic she brought it up first in their conversation, which is why he said he never brought it up and she did first, which to he was implying that in their conversation he never mention the brain thing first to her. And personally I think that when they give full unedited videos and a chance to hear the full debate and have an actual discussion instead of cutting some parts out to benefit their own points is actually good for their credibility and an amazing opportunity to hear from both sides in a civil discussion 🙂
I thought so at first, but once I watched the whole video I noticed that the girl brought it up in a different context, and Crowder never mentioned it to her before
What other wretched things besides you talking about your genitalia is my existence responsible for.... Nothing. You talking about your genitalia is the worst.
17:32 I love when someone can acknowledge when someone has a good point. When someone does this, it shows that they're not fixed on their own beliefs, and are accepting of others opinions or facts.
Me too. I agree, if people are making changes to every little detail in our modern society, how are we supposed to keep up with what's "acceptable"? How are we supposed to accept the way we live changing to accommodate the few who say they're different? Why should we do so? They don't make up most of the world, they're just loud about it. The media is overrun with people like this, but in reality, it's not likely you'll find every single person informed about social constructs. I hope our society can wake up and realize people like that don't have to be outspoken to exist. They don't have to rally to be accepted. They don't have to be rude and in your face to be taken seriously. When you act uncivilized like that, you just take away from your own credibility. I hope we can look ahead and realize they are being unreasonable and don't make an good reflection of everyone like themselves. Do you think every gay person is in your face? Angry? Yelling? Rude? No. Some people just go overboard with their identities.
Reminds me of that one guy who kept telling steven he was “exploiting emotional labor” regarding his presence on the campus-same “poor me” mentality just different flowery language to sound legit
Hmm, not entirely true. If you are activist for something (like Steven is too), and some other activist is provoking you (as Steven does), you 'HAVE' to react. If Alicia would go sit in front of Steven's house, with a large banner saying 'Jesus = BS' or something, Steven would feel the NEED to go out and react. And don't forget these 'discussions' ARE rigged! Steven prepares himself for the subject and learns the data by heart and the conclusions of research that has been done on a subject. The people that sit with him have not. There's different kinds of 'forced' than twisting someone's arm.
@@arturama8581 no there's not... Im sorry you feel that way but that's going to lead you to committing some act that you will regret for the rest of your life. Facts are you NEVER HAVE to react. Once you allow someone else to be the reason you react or act a certain way you've given up your own liberty and therefore hold no real meaning. You've allowed another soul to cause you to act incoherently and that's completely on you and your character as a person.
She’s a very astute lady with a true way of explaining being trans in a way I’ve never encountered before and I find her compelling with her interlect, whether wrong or right, she’s taken 37yrs to reach her spot in this universe, can you imagine not knowing who or what you are for such a long time, what a beautiful soul! Bravo
The first trans gender woman was lovely and sensible, whilst I disagree with her, I think she was polite, tolerant and put her point across very professionally
I notice the first one who was born male could have a logical debate,the one who was born with both genitals and has more natural estrogen cannot and starts getting hurt feelings,and becoming insulting speaks volumes to me.just an observation that's all.
He basically mixed biological with societal truth here though. If he was trying to make the argument that we should socially accept more than two genders than he should either not argue on biological terms or rewrite the debate to the aforementioned
Respect is earned and Danielle deserves it. There is a huge difference between earned respect and government mandated respect or face punishment as it is in my communist country Canada.
@Rye Bread I noticed about a month ago that certain words or compilation of words together will instantly remove a comment. You have to leave a space in certain words or misspell it to keep some on. Such as left are "com munists" and need to censor speech. They h a t e freedom.
You can tell Alicia is unaware of her pretty privelege. She seems like shes used to interrupting people and getting them to easily agree with what she's saying. Even when, like in this case, she keeps misinterpreting the point.
I got the impression she would identify as a male if the doctor had given her a penis and removed her vagina, instead of removing internal testes. Or, maybe she... ... you know what? Her answers and attitude were female. I wonder if she is confused by the societal issues of today? She is confusing.
@@johnr5847 she didn't seem happy about doctors choosing the gender of the baby. Perhaps she wonders if she was mis gendered or maybe she thinks of herself on a spectrum of in between. She certainly acted like a women🤣
to be fact, this alphabet community actually already exist a long time ago, its never became a problem at least nothing major, but when they force other people to play along with their fantasy, then it starting became a problem..
It was actually… refreshing and pretty shocking to see an actual trans debate him without him/her hurling insults, getting offended or screaming. People like THAT are people im willing to hear out. Not the trans people who make demands, are rude and horrible to even talk to.
Danielles son chillin in the cut with his shades on like "shit yo I identify as a 5 year old who gives zero fucks about what either of you are talking about."
Ko Ko are you saying that crowder interrupts a lot? Or that the people that sat down interrupt a lot? Because if you just go thru and count it’s kinda obvious which one is true
Ko Ko just saw your other posts and I know you think crowder interrupts more then them, that is just factually incorrect, but I know “your truth” will not line up with facts. Also, crowder has changed his mind, but he doesn’t have any care for emotional arguments that have no grounds to stand on.
Danielle was incredibly well spoken and kind but i think it should be ok to disagree with someone without it being labeled transphobic, racist, sexist etc.
@@awesomeboss2020 I did it for my friend once and it was the first and the last time, it took me 4 hours for 10 minutes video, this guy did it for a 50 minutes
@@awesomeboss2020 Nice name too boss👌👌 Don’t try to do that haha it’s annoying, and the worst part is when you finish it and then find mistakes when you checking the video😂
@@awesomeboss2020 I feel your pain at this moment 😂😭, but yeah don’t worry just keep going i checked your videos you’re really good in both gameplay and editing 👌
Danielle even though she doesn’t agree with what Steven believes. She’s respectful and listens to what he says. She responded respectfully. It’s an honest conversation, and I wish more people were like her 🤷🏼♀️
Kody Choates erm I wouldn’t really want to phrase it like that just say no your a man don’t have to put that lil tidbit about not respecting their rights
Kody Choates i may not agree with what she believes but i’m not gonna go out of my way to disrespect another human being, and maybe you should consider doing the same.
@@hayleighpouliot6327 Preach I don't really understand the whole transgender side of things but I don't mind being respectful to the person. Though I also believe if I don't use the correct pronouns to label it as a disrespectful or act of violence is incorrect.
@Kody Choates naw, IDGAF what people do. If dude dress's like a woman I have no problem saying woman. But what I refuse to do is play the games with the alphabet people.
The interview with Danielle is a perfect template about how any polarizing or controversial topic should be debated. No triggered meltdowns, no victimizing and no cancel outrage. when open discussion is done with respect it creates an actual safe space. What a shame that this discussion is practically a one off compared to the rest of Crowder’s “Change my mInd” videos. Respect to both
@James Kelly yeah, it's the thing that you do when you have conflicting views with someone. You try to debate them, change their mind or maybe you just wanna make your opinion heard.
I agree he was polite and human but when he disagreed with children not needing two parents , a mother and a father , then he lost all credibility with me males need male role models and female need female role models its as simple as that , but I wish him and his child well
No matter where you stand on this topic, you've got to respect the first guest here. So respectful, thoughtful, and coherent when debating something that has literally defined her life. To be so level headed and calm, I have so much respect for that.
The fact that 2 dudes felt the need to rush and correct it to "*his" shows how tolerant some of the people in this audience are. No one is asking you to address to the person as she, but she'd prefer it and some people chose to respect that, but somehow that's a huge mistake you bois need to correct , right? I'm against compelled speech, but I'm also against cunts deniying anyone they disagree with basic respect. Would be good if people with no intention to actually have a dialogue would stop pretending they are looking for the truth or for understanding and outright admitted "hey , i don't understand this and I don't care to, so I'ma judge people regardless of reality" , it'd be more honest at least.
You're confusing opinion and respect. I can personally, in my internal being, find a givien person not worthy of my respect or trust or admiration for whatever reason, but since we live in a collaborative society that requires a certain level of social cohesivity, I will always respect people (to a basic degree of courtesy) regardless of my personal opinion of them. And so does everyone else. You don't go around antagonizing and disrespecting every person you disagree with or don't like, because if that where the case we'd live in a Mad Max type of society, which is not the case. Also it's important to keep in mind, that no one needs to earn your respect , just as you don't need to earn anybody's respect either , but you do owe each other basic courtesy in order to have a working society. If they where asking you to use made up pronouns and bullshit of the sort I'd be happy to tell them to fuck off, but in this case, it's a person who identifies as female despite having XY chromosomes, and all it takes in order to respect that person is treat her as "she" rather than "he" , doesn't really take much effort, and if you slip up and call her a he she won't get mad, as she stated in the very video. So going out of your way to insult her is pretty petty and sad.
Pissed me off what steven said at 26:53 because that just wasnt true at all and she was one of the best ever guests to sit down with him idk why he said that tbh
It’s especially impressive how civil she was when often people aren’t civil or accepting of her. I have a lot of respect for people who are open to other people’s opinions even though their own opinions are shut down so regularly
You got pissed that he was being honest?😂 and I don't think you have seen much of Steven to say that this has been one of his "best guest". More of the calm level headed ones yes.
@@christophersanchez2876 ok out of the 20 change my minds ive watched I think she was one of the best guests, not based on the point she made but based on how she acted
Shaun Rudling I'm glad is not just kre that feels thirds way, it devalues the whole thing. He also comes in "knowing" he's 100% right with seemingly no intention of changing his mind. It's so disappointing and turns the video into shock value entertainment feather than i betraying discussions.
There is only 1 kind of woman, and they're ALL born female-- making the use of 'Cis' entirely useless and irrelevant. A dude identifying as a woman doesn't make him a woman. They've gotten it totally wrong on gender. Gender, (there are 2 male, and female) that's it, refers to the sex assigned at birth and the social aspects of being male or female, respectively. Male and female are biological categories which are fixed and permanent. Then, they conflate gender and personality. Then, they conflate gender and gender roles. Then they conflate gender with sexual preference. Then, they conflate males with females, fact with fiction and men with women. A woman isn't a personality, a social construct, a feeling, a sexual preference, or a costume that a man can just put on or take off-- She's an adult, human, female. As it turns out, there's a prerequisite to being a woman-- and that's being born female.
@J Outta Pocket Word used for when someone is out of line or acting up Person: Dude that Danielle girl from Dr. Phil is just outta pocket, You: That's what I'm sayin
@@finch3917is there anything to be gained by accepting a view that defies objective scientific findings? His reactions and responses were impeccable because they seemed to not understand what they were talking about. Those suffering similarly need to catch up and become positively accepting of a norm that has been found to be the most life affirming i.e. gender binary (male and female). It is the most naturally sound.
Well she just stated that in her opinion, it’s not far and away the best model of civilization. Living here doesn’t contradict that. Suffering children in Africa probably don’t believe they’re the model society yet they still live there. Some some people in Mexico yearn to move elsewhere because they dislike their society yet the stay in Mexico.
I know trans people and I am proud to include them among my friends. Anecdotally, trans people reinforce the gender binary. They wish to transition from one to the other (of two).
Aside from the fact that science is not actually imuttable truth since It changes all the time. Physical theorys, postulates, randomized studys...for christ sake science used to say the sun orbitated the earth and smoking ciggarettes was good for your health. Science is irrefutably the closest to truth but its not it. Wait for a new big study to come refuting everything Steven Crowder believes and he will get defensive and will call fake news. Dude doenst even believe in climate change and wants me to believe he cares for scientific ground. Please
@@Maninfsc I am a catholic so I am probably one of the person who believes that science is wrong the most, so I agree with that but climate change doesnt exist and here is why. When people say that it hasn't been this hot in 100 years they imply that it was this hot 100 years ago. The earth moves in cycles. The earth was in an ice age and it heated up causing the ice to melt renewing the cycle. I know climate is not the same as weather and the temperature, but I am saying the earth works in cycle and it is slowly getting hotter and colder as time goes on. If that makes any sense at all. I am no expert on it but that is what I picked up from high school biology.
@@theschneider9716 so youre saying the earth is cycling the weather...therefore you are saying the climate IS changing. What is argued is climate change is natural, but human interference is accelerating this process. You do think climate change is real, you are just seeing with a different perspective.
Steven: A polite person wouldn't interrupt and I haven't interrupted at all. Now then, is there a difference between male and female brains? Anyone on other side of table: I would absolutely say - Steven: HOW MANY GENDERS ARE THERE!?
I mean, I would hardly think that falling back constantly on the "my truth" thing every time Steven brings up "THE truth" is a good way to debate. They constantly tried to avoid letting the conversation go somewhere that pointed out that they just wanted to be viewed as special. They were initially polite sure, but as soon as Steven started pointing out objective truths she was almost as rude and interruptive as her employee because when the facts don't agree with their opinions, they don't want to hear it. Same as how they tried to change the argument as well as twisting his words to make her look like a victim. "Questioning their humanity" something he never did or even insinuated. Prior to those last few minutes I would've agreed with you, but over time that changed.
That's probably because she got a bit offended. Especially the last statement Steven made. Then again, he was not wrong but it could be considered not respectful according to some trans people. I think Danielle could not take that and that upsetted her.
Danielle carries herself in such a way that everyone in the comments uses "her" and "she" instead of "he" and "man" give respect and you are shown respect ......how has that been lost?!?!
I'm only about 10 minutes or less into this vid but I love the fact that this transgender person is so amicable and calm in this conversation. There's no reason for some of these LGBT activists to be so angry and confrontational. Great example of a conversation with different points of view!
Oh just wait for the 2nd guest...I’m assuming your brain has exploded from the vast amount of ignorance and hatred coming from her....I’ll call an ambulance for you buddy...
I would add that it's very interesting to notice that all but one of the spectators are listening; the one who isn't listening is the girl, who is pacing back and forth, weighing up her stance in front of everyone, and not actually engaging in the thought processes occurring right in front of her
@@CamoDrako That second girl was absolutely unwilling to engage honestly and then has the gall to act like Stephen forced her to sit down. She was triggered from the very beginning, what a pathetic loser. THAT is why liberals are authoritarian.
This is a prime example of… it’s not the label, it’s the attitude. This person is kind, reasonable and valuable. They didn’t once accuse of transphobia due to a difference of opinion. Personally, I am only Twatphobic.
Yeah. Just like, in the past, people used to diagnose women as "hysterical" and it was a legitimate "illness" treated in mere absurd ways. Perhaps, development entails leaving behind outdated misconstrued and underexamined concepts when we start to have a better understanding of the human mind ?
@Biff Dingus Sex is biology. Gender is not. Even earlier studies not biased because of "Marxist feminism" (to quote you) state that. Please, enlighten me more how, as a person who has studied both psychology(with it's biological aspects) and politics, I am wrong and disregarding science :)
“Yesterday’s medical term is today’s hate speech. Society can’t keep up.” Likely the best point in the entire video to try to explain how ferocious the situation of the world is in relation to gender and pronouns.
Her "My boss texted me and told me you were here, so I had to run over here and talk to you".... 5 minutes later - "You are interrupting my day by telling me my existence isn't valid!!" Uhh no one forced you to come have a conversation, your interrupting your own day by running over to Steven after your boss texted you! Some people!
Such simple questions and they are just flummoxed by them. It is the duty of all sane people to confront the delusional people in society with the truth.
Alicia spoke 90% of the time and whenever he tried to respond to her points she blankly stares in front of her upset that her word vomit didn't immediately make him convert or she looks at the audience and laughs like she's saying "can you believe this guy". So childish.
I feel the same way about retarded. it's a medical term meaning delayed growth. but because it's associated with negative connotations we vilify it. The word retarded never would have come to be considered hate speech if young boys didn't call each other retarded. so by that rationale, eventually every word will be hate speech. it's inevitable
Previous generations in her own family were totally fine with Biology, with the terms used and with calling all this spectrum of genders what they really are, simply, "sexual preference"
@maria that's also a problem I've got. Since I don't know on how to adress "them" since today's term seems to be bad mouthing the next day. But I still did not get educated, as to why some people seemingly having a hard time to identify as male or female.
@@trueSconox I think it’s mostly down to miscommunication on all sides. No one wants to offend anyone, sure, but there is a system in place that seems to make people out to be hateful if they don’t conform to society - at least there is where I live
Well yes consider the words … spastic, retard, Neanderthal. It’s not just limited to sexual hate. But racial and intellectual. I think a lot of people think it’s just about sexual. All hate speech endorsed as medical,
_”How many genders are there?”_ The same answer is the same as the answer to _”How many colors are there”_ & _”How many shades of gray are there?”_ & _”How many frames of time are there within 1 second!”_ Why is the left so bad at using logic and metaphors? They never explain anything. For example, use of the term “my truth” only applies if the metaphysical grounding of reality is consciousness, and perspectives are all there are. You have to claim that there’s no objective reality outside of consciousness in order for “my truth” to be valid.
The person in the orange shirt was so nice, so polite. I totally get that he felt like a girl from an early age. He’s not shoving it down everyone’s throat. This is the kind of trans woman that I like.
And she was actually a genuine trans woman. Most genuine trans people just want to be left alone to live their lives in peace. It's usually transtrenders and SJW dickheads getting offended on their behalf. I'm a gay biracial male, and SJWs have made my life more complicated because I constantly encounter fawning retards who think that I deserve to be treated differently. It's patronising and insulting, but above all else, it's idiotic.
The first person was really nice and likable, but I feel that when the subject was transgender and Steven said some controversial things the conversation kinda ended. I hope more people are as nice and well mannered as Danielle was.
To everyone saying Crowder brough up male and female brains, NO HE DID NOT. He mentioned it in the previous conversation, and the only reason they are talking about it at that moment is because SHE "brought it up." SHE WAS THE ONE WHO WAS REFERRING TO IT.
I love how the girl recording stopped recording when it got into a bigger discussion about “misgendering” laws and lawsuits. I love how she says that medical terms are like the N word “, but yet she refuses to actually talk about it when confronted that a racist slur is worse because it wasn’t a medical term.
What topics would you like to see discussed in future Change My Mind segments?
StevenCrowder the wage gap
Earth is round, change my mind.
More guns I like the gun arguments
More 2nd Amendment videos. We definitely need to change some minds before the upcoming elections!
Illegal Immigration
The trans women is probably one of the most polite people to come to the table.
had a good, firm handshake too
In all honesty, more people should be like her, willing to patently wait for their turn in the conversation to make their point.
The other woman needs to stop arguing and be polite
It's weird how reasonable, calm and dispassionate he's been.
Patrick Perez out of character yes. but that's probably for the best. Steven can come across as a know it all dick (I find it hilarious, personally) and I'm sure he's become more aware and working on it to make him more palatable to a broader audience.
Yeah, he was a pretty cool dude
Danielle before she leaves: “i don’t want to take any more of your time”
Alicia before she leaves: “you interrupted MY day”
He*
That’s why she is a Boss and Alicia is not
HE
You ain’t gotta be rude and purposely say HE. I mean she was pretty civil and yea she’s biologically born a dude, but you ain’t gotta disrespect her like that cmon she was just bein nice
The entitlement is strong with Al-he-cia🤣
Watching the second girl try to hash out the contradiction between "gender is a social construct" and "the brain scans show theres a male and female brain" only to realize she outmatched logically and have to resort to the classic "if i don't threaten your existence why do you care? "retort was fantasticly entertaining
Couldn't agree more
She also said that she was born intersex but the doctor labeled her a woman so that is why she is a woman. I bet you she would still be a woman even if she was labeled a male.
But she does have nice tits, so there is that!
I think when most people say "gender is a social construct" they more often mean gender ROLES are a social construct, e.g. women cook and fold laundry, and men are breadwinners. there is no biological or inherent reason a man shouldn't cook or be worse than a woman at cooking or folding clothes. Women can and do make more than their husbands as well. these are things because we said they are things. That doesn't mean these roles aren't real, but rather that they are constructs of our society. We decided that "xyz" is what men do and "abc" is what women do.
Money is a social construct for example. It has value because we all decided it does (maybe you could argue otherwise with the gold standard, but I digress). Does this mean that money isn't real? No. It just means that it is only relevant within society. Whether or not these roles are beneficial for us as a whole is a different topic.
These gender roles have changed throughout history as well. Logic would assume if these roles were innate, they wouldn't change much if at all. Yet things like clothes, hair, and jobs have all been fluid and different between cultures.
Hope this makes sense!
I agree@@n1ght7ngale
Well she didn't change my mind but Danielle probably gave one of the best arguments I've heard. Whilst being polite, respectful and even trying to view points from the opposite side. Bravo Danielle, bravo.
And didn't just spout nonsense when they realize they're wrong
Thats what I wish more people would do , just communicate with respect and really listen to each other.Good job Danielle and steve!
Yeah I completely agree with you
Agree
@EpicHockeyPosters I understood where she was coming from too. I even understood her rude employee. I can see that things are not so black and white and minuet changes can happen in the brain that will put you on a "spectrum". I think the question that should be asked is if those rare brain anomalies should require significant complications to societal structures. If you have infinite categories then you have infinite rules? or would it just be an "other" category? There wouldn't be so much controversy if they would just decide on one pronoun. Just as all types of men settle for he and all types of women settle for she.
It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.” -Bill Murray
Well now I feel stupid because I don’t know any quotes related to this topic. :(
Bold of you to assume Crowder is smart.
True, but one should never argue with a idiot because it brings you down to their level, and they'll eventually beat you with experience.
@@Kelly-pp1et 🤣😂 you beat me to it - one of my favourite quotes.
One Other:
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague". ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43BC)
What you are saying makes sense, but I believe the phrase would make more sense if it was worded this way " It's hard to have a productive discussion with a smart person but it is far more difficult to have a productive discussion with a less intelligent and ideologically possessed person". I don't think the purpose should be to "win" the argument but to listen to both perspectives and try to get at the truth.
“Yesterday’s medical term is today’s hate speech. Society can’t keep up.” That was an awesome line there. 🎯
This is so real
Yesterday's language is not necessarily a good way to describe today. Look up the term lunatic and ask "is that a good way to describe someone with epilepsy?"
@@ciaranobrien8709 are you implying that the term ‘lunatic’ was once used to describe epeleptic patients? Because I don’t know that that’s true. If it is, that’s news to me. I also think you may be cherry-picking a rare example.
Also, the argument isn’t that we shouldn’t adjust or evolve any of our language, it’s that we shouldn’t deem it “hate speech.”
Thankfully in America, "hate speech" is protected speech. Be cause if everyone said only things that are in agreement with everyone else, freedom of speech wouldn't be a thing.@@GenericNintendoKid
@@reality.... yup.
The world would be a much better place if more people could just have conversations like this. Danielle, you are a prime representative of your community.
"Some double team action"
"Thats a weird way of phrasing that"
Alicia had her mind in the gutter 😂
That trans woman was so polite! If everyone talked like that, we would be in a very different place right now...
I was going to say the same thing. She is such a nice person.
@Sherman adventures I'm happy to call.people what they would like to be called if they can articulate themselves like that and have respect for both sides of the argument like she did .
We get it , she is biolocially a man , but considers herself a trans women .
It's the aggressive , patronizing trans people i refuse to acknowledge, not the nice people.
@Sherman adventures you're clearly projecting some of your own issues man , unless somone is screaming in your face to make you call.them what they want you to call.them,
Why would it bother you so much ?
@Sherman adventures terrible example .
They are not identifying as older or younger, which has legitimate benefits and responsibilities, it clearly does bother you, you felt the need to post what you did .
I just struggle to see why .
I don't want transgender to become.the norm and it be pushed on people , but I could not care less what an adult does with his or her life aslong as it's not harming anyone .
@Sherman adventures because you said age isn't important .
But gender is .
It was tongue in cheek, but looks like I hit a nerve since you reported my comment .
Danielle’s son lookin mad cool in them shades, respect
He was probably an accident, I feel so sorry for him. Not even kidding.
@@Okwardi I'm sorry. What?
@@makaniistorm8664 sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Bruv im dead💀💀💀
@@Okwardi - Why? Because he was an “accident”? Statistically you probably were too. Should we feel sorry for you?
This woman is a class act, the fact that she is able to have a civil and honest conversation about the topic. I think society would cover more ground if everyone could be so respectful. At the end of the day I think all people just want to be heard. It’s up to each individual to understand or have empathy.
Are you talking about the first one that sat down cause that's a guy
@@brandenantonino23 just because she is civil she will be treated politely.
Man*
Lol man not women u asshole and hes trans so no respect
He’s man
nobody is saying your not a human, they’re saying your not a woman no matter how much you want to be.
That lady standing by the table and recording has such a hostile stance while two people are having a conversation. I felt awkward for them.
Definitely cringeworthy 😂
That was the second interviewee.
Yeah, people like her are why there is sooooo much animosity towards issues like the ones discussed in this video.
true but shes got a great looking ass
Basic Stacy right there😂
I don’t agree with everything Danielle said but she should be a good example of how people should present themselves.
*he
@@WiseOne. really? Wow
I know I find myself listening and wanting to find common ground with her just Bcs of her attitude I normally wouldn’t call a trans woman her but I want to be respectful to somone I’ve never met
Lets be honest she was full of shit but yes people should be able to speak this way without getting crazy even with different opinions that i agree with but most of what she said was pure bs.
@@WiseOne. she*
29:58 "So imagine a world where people can tell you that you're incorrect" - I found this sentence hilarious, because it does not take that much imagination, that is already like that and that is actually how it should be.
“You interrupted my day”
You chose to sit down 😑
yah i was thinkin the same. he daid at the start "If u want to" and thrn she says he 'forced' her
@patrick ledford not all pc folk or sjws are liberals, or vice versa
They even "planned" on meeting up to talk to Steve
Haha, yeah she’s an idiot.
@@darkcylander lol yeah they are
For me, it’s real simple: be respectful. Regardless of agreement or disagreement. Watching you and Danielle discuss so civilly was super refreshing.
Be respectful is amazing and it is reflected in the video. But there is a scientific truth to what is a male and what is a female.
It's simple until it becomes law and throws the whole way of life down the toilet coz we cant get a simple answer to how many genders are there or how many pronouns are there so we can make new laws based on those premises. Just like Canada that made it law and now look at the shit show its cuased as a result of premature law changes before common ground can be established for the a law to be created and thats the point Crowder is making, he doesnt care how you identify thats your choice all the more for you, just dont force laws to fit the narrative of a minority that cant even give a simple number to start the basis of a new law
Agreed
i agree 100%
SO TRUE!!
Holy shit this video was 6 years ago. If this guy had a conversation like that today he probably would’ve had his life endangered.
That first trans lady spoke so well, to hear her story was fascinating 👏
He did speak very well and he was courteous, but he was still delusional
It's a he
lmao who randomly got this on their recommended
Me and im glad af. I learned a lot, watched the whole vid, here at 6 am, laying on bed trying to sleep the whole night. So yeah I'm pretty glad I had this on my time-line.
@@rhinosdesigns291 same
@@rhinosdesigns291 same and now im kinda addicted he has some great little debates about controversal topics
I got it randomly recommended and now I'm scared to watch it because i already randomly got a anti abortion video recommended today and i don't want it to be terrible as well /:
I got it randomly recommended and now I'm scared to watch it because i already randomly got a anti abortion video recommended today and i don't want it to be terrible as well /:
The first person was the most enjoyable person ever on this series
I really wish there was more opposing people like this, she properly brought up statistics and calmly argued. Most times it ends in insulting steve or yelling or arguements based completely on feelings and anecdotal stats
Absolutely. Wish there were more people like her
Eh i dont think so but it was really nice to see a person who was transgender not act moronic that gives me a bit of hope
Sean Fleming 11 uhm “him”
@@bootaties9513 lol
2 points to make here.
1 - the first person interviewed was possibly the most sensible, least antagonistic trans person I have ever seen discussing the subject. Full respect to them.
2 Steven Crowder - when you chatted with the second girl she mentioned the Male Brain and you kept insisting that she brought it up.
She didn't - you brought it up in your previous discussion with her boss, and she was standing there recording it.
😂 sigh snowflake. Is she her boss or her own person. Did he say that to her at any point in THEIR conversation no. And that's what matters she doesn't pay attention and you have selective comment posting disorder
That's a fair point, yes crowder brought up the male brain and female brain statement first, but he brought that up in the first conversation, which went entirely different compared to 2nd conversation. He brought it up in the first talk and then the 2nd one brought it up first.
@@x_nathanite_x The whole point of her stepping in after her boss moved on was to debate points he had made while talking to her boss.
He cannot claim that he didn't say it just because he wasn't talking to her at the time.
She heard him say it, and she is challenging him on it.
If he had posted her discussion as a separate video he might have gotten away with it, but by insisting she brought it up first, when we can clearly see he did, he is just weakening his credibility.
@@robbrown6495 I understand the point you're making, I'm just saying that although crowder did bring up the topic of male and female brains first, when they were talking about a different topic she brought it up first in their conversation, which is why he said he never brought it up and she did first, which to he was implying that in their conversation he never mention the brain thing first to her. And personally I think that when they give full unedited videos and a chance to hear the full debate and have an actual discussion instead of cutting some parts out to benefit their own points is actually good for their credibility and an amazing opportunity to hear from both sides in a civil discussion 🙂
I thought so at first, but once I watched the whole video I noticed that the girl brought it up in a different context, and Crowder never mentioned it to her before
“Your existence forced me to talk about my genitals”
That’s next level victim culture stuff.
Black women are saying trump made them fat
What other wretched things besides you talking about your genitalia is my existence responsible for....
Nothing.
You talking about your genitalia is the worst.
@@elgatochurro ...Well
Your existence made me shoot that pedestrian
Matt Mannucci: believes in victim culture
Also Matt: doesn't believe in rape culture
The first “Trans woman” was very polite. I’m glad to see two very different people can have a civil discussion.
Medikamenten-Kind please be respectful
@@mariah2987 no
Medikamenten-Kind thats so disrespectful. she identifies as a women, respect that. you may not agree with that. but shes a woman.
@@kayleycraghead6238 When
Duhfoodz1 im confused
17:32 I love when someone can acknowledge when someone has a good point. When someone does this, it shows that they're not fixed on their own beliefs, and are accepting of others opinions or facts.
Danielle keeps giving him the bedroom eyes lol 😂😂😂
Lol I totally noticed that too. Could be part of being so sweet to him?
“Today’s medical term is tomorrow’s hate speech and society can’t keep up.” One of the best lines I’ve heard in a while
Me too. I agree, if people are making changes to every little detail in our modern society, how are we supposed to keep up with what's "acceptable"? How are we supposed to accept the way we live changing to accommodate the few who say they're different? Why should we do so? They don't make up most of the world, they're just loud about it. The media is overrun with people like this, but in reality, it's not likely you'll find every single person informed about social constructs. I hope our society can wake up and realize people like that don't have to be outspoken to exist. They don't have to rally to be accepted. They don't have to be rude and in your face to be taken seriously. When you act uncivilized like that, you just take away from your own credibility. I hope we can look ahead and realize they are being unreasonable and don't make an good reflection of everyone like themselves. Do you think every gay person is in your face? Angry? Yelling? Rude? No. Some people just go overboard with their identities.
Suzanne DeMoranville I identify as a basketball
@@jujuaurelus LOL I'm an attack helicopter. . . No one's gonna get that reference... XD
@@suzannedemoranville7120 L.S. Gotcha.
@Stink XD
"You're interrupting my day" Girl you came down voluntarily 😂
Reminds me of that one guy who kept telling steven he was “exploiting emotional labor” regarding his presence on the campus-same “poor me” mentality just different flowery language to sound legit
15:00
How is black on black murder racism???
Hmm, not entirely true. If you are activist for something (like Steven is too), and some other activist is provoking you (as Steven does), you 'HAVE' to react. If Alicia would go sit in front of Steven's house, with a large banner saying 'Jesus = BS' or something, Steven would feel the NEED to go out and react. And don't forget these 'discussions' ARE rigged! Steven prepares himself for the subject and learns the data by heart and the conclusions of research that has been done on a subject. The people that sit with him have not.
There's different kinds of 'forced' than twisting someone's arm.
@@arturama8581 no there's not... Im sorry you feel that way but that's going to lead you to committing some act that you will regret for the rest of your life. Facts are you NEVER HAVE to react. Once you allow someone else to be the reason you react or act a certain way you've given up your own liberty and therefore hold no real meaning. You've allowed another soul to cause you to act incoherently and that's completely on you and your character as a person.
@@arturama8581 how was crowder *provoking* anyone?
She’s a very astute lady with a true way of explaining being trans in a way I’ve never encountered before and I find her compelling with her interlect, whether wrong or right, she’s taken 37yrs to reach her spot in this universe, can you imagine not knowing who or what you are for such a long time, what a beautiful soul! Bravo
It's a he
Femininity in males and masculinity in woman. Feminised males and masculinised women
Amazing to see Danielle have a normal respectful conversation. Even if people don't agree on things it's OK to talk about them without outrage.
The first man was actually respectful
The first trans gender woman was lovely and sensible, whilst I disagree with her, I think she was polite, tolerant and put her point across very professionally
Zeke Edwards yes she seems like a good mom (even if I disagree)
TheFatNerdGamer he
TheFatNerdGamer do tell how the fuck he is a she?
I notice the first one who was born male could have a logical debate,the one who was born with both genitals and has more natural estrogen cannot and starts getting hurt feelings,and becoming insulting speaks volumes to me.just an observation that's all.
agreed. if this was how everyone wanted to talk, the social climate wouldn't be as awful as it is
“Yesterday’s medical term is today’s hate speech. Society can’t keep up” this was so perfect
Believe me if we keep up this stupidity we will become the less educated country in the world mark my word
He basically mixed biological with societal truth here though. If he was trying to make the argument that we should socially accept more than two genders than he should either not argue on biological terms or rewrite the debate to the aforementioned
@@thameralharthy1938 It's already happened for real. The United states has great education for a few rich kids and shit for 90%.
so true tattoedgajiin
if there's anything to take away from this video its deifintely that
I love how they cannot answer a simple question 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Boy! I never wanna hear the word intrinsically again 🤣🤣
YOOOOOOO I was like damn why aren’t they wearing a mask then I realized COVID wasn’t a thing 2 years ago smh
Bro why do you still have that pfp
@@Rallego too lazy to change it
@@Serenity5O2 u probably should just saying lol
@@goated9406 true lmao
@@Rallego changed it :)
Although I disagree with danielle, mega respect for her, she was very civil and deserves to be respected.
She was lovely! So graceful and kind ❤️ I loved her.
Respect is earned and Danielle deserves it. There is a huge difference between earned respect and government mandated respect or face punishment as it is in my communist country Canada.
@Rye Bread I'm being a bit sarcastic, but misgendering can get a person or company in legal problems.
@Rye Bread I noticed about a month ago that certain words or compilation of words together will instantly remove a comment. You have to leave a space in certain words or misspell it to keep some on. Such as left are "com munists" and need to censor speech. They h a t e freedom.
But I don‘t understand why you can’t acknowledge a trans woman as an actual woman.. i lost the tiniest bit respect for him after he said that to her..
Forget trans issues, the way Danielle spoke is how everyone should speak during a disagreement, period.
You can tell Alicia is unaware of her pretty privelege. She seems like shes used to interrupting people and getting them to easily agree with what she's saying. Even when, like in this case, she keeps misinterpreting the point.
Danielle is a great example of being able civil while disagreeing.
Ong some people really be aggressive and act like other’s opinions don’t matter at all
@@antttow3550 Cause they can't defend their POV/ can't understand the concept at all. Also education
Host too
@@antttow3550 yea people are very uneducated. they believe without reason and they cant defend their answers
Is he gal gadot
That girl, with the white shirt, really thought she was going to capture something on her phone, and become an internet hero.
I got the impression she would identify as a male if the doctor had given her a penis and removed her vagina, instead of removing internal testes.
Or, maybe she...
... you know what? Her answers and attitude were female. I wonder if she is confused by the societal issues of today?
She is confusing.
@@johnr5847 lmao
Imma be honest with you, I dont think anyone took her seriously
@@johnr5847 she didn't seem happy about doctors choosing the gender of the baby. Perhaps she wonders if she was mis gendered or maybe she thinks of herself on a spectrum of in between. She certainly acted like a women🤣
11:40 Views on her insta Live: *2* ... I'm crying lmao😭😭 she was so upclose too
to be fact, this alphabet community actually already exist a long time ago, its never became a problem at least nothing major, but when they force other people to play along with their fantasy, then it starting became a problem..
It was actually… refreshing and pretty shocking to see an actual trans debate him without him/her hurling insults, getting offended or screaming. People like THAT are people im willing to hear out. Not the trans people who make demands, are rude and horrible to even talk to.
Danielles son chillin in the cut with his shades on like "shit yo I identify as a 5 year old who gives zero fucks about what either of you are talking about."
LOL
Facts haha
i actually really needed a laugh, this comment is great.
Man's got the drip while mom's arguing, he just chillin
lmao
People start to interrupt once they realize they are losing the argument.
So true especially this crowder boiii
Ko Ko are you saying that crowder interrupts a lot? Or that the people that sat down interrupt a lot? Because if you just go thru and count it’s kinda obvious which one is true
Ko Ko not trying to be mean I’m just unclear to what you meant
Ko Ko just saw your other posts and I know you think crowder interrupts more then them, that is just factually incorrect, but I know “your truth” will not line up with facts. Also, crowder has changed his mind, but he doesn’t have any care for emotional arguments that have no grounds to stand on.
Yes, I realize the transgender repeatedly interrupted...
Danielle was incredibly well spoken and kind but i think it should be ok to disagree with someone without it being labeled transphobic, racist, sexist etc.
Trans dude in the pink tank top is very respectful
A moment of silence for the person who had to write all of the subtitles.
A computer mostly I believe
@@filipbartas576 i dont think audio generator as good as someone was there write out the script in case any words misheard or blurred out
@@awesomeboss2020 I did it for my friend once and it was the first and the last time, it took me 4 hours for 10 minutes video, this guy did it for a 50 minutes
@@awesomeboss2020 Nice name too boss👌👌
Don’t try to do that haha it’s annoying, and the worst part is when you finish it and then find mistakes when you checking the video😂
@@awesomeboss2020 I feel your pain at this moment 😂😭, but yeah don’t worry just keep going i checked your videos you’re really good in both gameplay and editing 👌
Danielle is straight up a decent human being, props for being civil
maybe because he was a civil enginer
@@MegaSahil009 😭😭😆
@@zoecanizares1007 show me where someone stated she wasn’t a human being ??
@@zoecanizares1007 you literally just fabricated a scenario in your head that just didn’t happen hahahah my gawd
@@zoecanizares1007 oh shut up u s1ut
The girl recording had nothing better to do lol.
I’m a parent of special needs
Steven: congratulations
Lol
Danielle is very well spoken and despite not agreeing with everything she said I respect her.
Danielle even though she doesn’t agree with what Steven believes. She’s respectful and listens to what he says. She responded respectfully. It’s an honest conversation, and I wish more people were like her 🤷🏼♀️
@Kody Choates 100% CORRECT
Kody Choates erm I wouldn’t really want to phrase it like that just say no your a man don’t have to put that lil tidbit about not respecting their rights
Kody Choates i may not agree with what she believes but i’m not gonna go out of my way to disrespect another human being, and maybe you should consider doing the same.
@@hayleighpouliot6327 Preach I don't really understand the whole transgender side of things but I don't mind being respectful to the person. Though I also believe if I don't use the correct pronouns to label it as a disrespectful or act of violence is incorrect.
@Kody Choates naw, IDGAF what people do. If dude dress's like a woman I have no problem saying woman. But what I refuse to do is play the games with the alphabet people.
The interview with Danielle is a perfect template about how any polarizing or controversial topic should be debated.
No triggered meltdowns, no victimizing and no cancel outrage. when open discussion is done with respect it creates an actual safe space. What a shame that this discussion is practically a one off compared to the rest of Crowder’s “Change my mInd” videos.
Respect to both
@James Kelly yeah, it's the thing that you do when you have conflicting views with someone. You try to debate them, change their mind or maybe you just wanna make your opinion heard.
❤️Jesus lived the life we couldn't live and died the death we deserve. Repent of your sins and trust in Him💜
@@daughteroftheking994 daddy chill
@@daughteroftheking994 What if I like my sins?
@@daughteroftheking994 yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no thanks! eww.
I commend him for treating the Trans-gender individual with civility.
The 'intersex' person was very inconsiderate and rude. The trans person was willing to discuss.
i honestly wish the first woman and her child well shes very mature and able to have a civilized conversation.
Yes he was a gentleman
trii _ppyy08 he*
@@blowurn0se Sorry, i meant he
I wish he would talk about empathy sometime, y'all probably don't even know what that means and how beneficial it is for society.
I agree he was polite and human but when he disagreed with children not needing two parents , a mother and a father , then he lost all credibility with me males need male role models and female need female role models its as simple as that , but I wish him and his child well
No matter where you stand on this topic, you've got to respect the first guest here. So respectful, thoughtful, and coherent when debating something that has literally defined her life. To be so level headed and calm, I have so much respect for that.
D M You mean, his life.
*his life
The fact that 2 dudes felt the need to rush and correct it to "*his" shows how tolerant some of the people in this audience are. No one is asking you to address to the person as she, but she'd prefer it and some people chose to respect that, but somehow that's a huge mistake you bois need to correct , right?
I'm against compelled speech, but I'm also against cunts deniying anyone they disagree with basic respect. Would be good if people with no intention to actually have a dialogue would stop pretending they are looking for the truth or for understanding and outright admitted "hey , i don't understand this and I don't care to, so I'ma judge people regardless of reality" , it'd be more honest at least.
Respect is earned not demanded.
You're confusing opinion and respect. I can personally, in my internal being, find a givien person not worthy of my respect or trust or admiration for whatever reason, but since we live in a collaborative society that requires a certain level of social cohesivity, I will always respect people (to a basic degree of courtesy) regardless of my personal opinion of them. And so does everyone else. You don't go around antagonizing and disrespecting every person you disagree with or don't like, because if that where the case we'd live in a Mad Max type of society, which is not the case.
Also it's important to keep in mind, that no one needs to earn your respect , just as you don't need to earn anybody's respect either , but you do owe each other basic courtesy in order to have a working society. If they where asking you to use made up pronouns and bullshit of the sort I'd be happy to tell them to fuck off, but in this case, it's a person who identifies as female despite having XY chromosomes, and all it takes in order to respect that person is treat her as "she" rather than "he" , doesn't really take much effort, and if you slip up and call her a he she won't get mad, as she stated in the very video. So going out of your way to insult her is pretty petty and sad.
Love the conversation with the first trans lady. So kind!
The second gave Amber Heard vibes 😂
The first is a dude
Don’t say my brain is transgender
Danielle is litteraly an amazing person, she wasnt rude or hostile, she just had a civil conversation and she earned my respect
Pissed me off what steven said at 26:53 because that just wasnt true at all and she was one of the best ever guests to sit down with him idk why he said that tbh
It’s especially impressive how civil she was when often people aren’t civil or accepting of her. I have a lot of respect for people who are open to other people’s opinions even though their own opinions are shut down so regularly
You got pissed that he was being honest?😂 and I don't think you have seen much of Steven to say that this has been one of his "best guest". More of the calm level headed ones yes.
@@christophersanchez2876 ok out of the 20 change my minds ive watched I think she was one of the best guests, not based on the point she made but based on how she acted
@@christophersanchez2876 also been a fan since he started "change my mind"
To be honest, Danielle is part of the few few people to look Steven in the eyes when talking
😎
Danielle was capable of the conversation and that was interesting
This guy is aggressive in nature and does not invite constructive conversation.
Because it was born male, and men are more able to debate and talk using logic.
Shaun Rudling I'm glad is not just kre that feels thirds way, it devalues the whole thing. He also comes in "knowing" he's 100% right with seemingly no intention of changing his mind. It's so disappointing and turns the video into shock value entertainment feather than i betraying discussions.
5:15 I didnt bring up male brain you did....Nope, you did in the previous discussion 😂
There is only 1 kind of woman, and they're ALL born female-- making the use of 'Cis' entirely useless and irrelevant. A dude identifying as a woman doesn't make him a woman.
They've gotten it totally wrong on gender. Gender, (there are 2 male, and female) that's it, refers to the sex assigned at birth and the social aspects of being male or female, respectively. Male and female are biological categories which are fixed and permanent.
Then, they conflate gender and personality. Then, they conflate gender and gender roles. Then they conflate gender with sexual preference. Then, they conflate males with females, fact with fiction and men with women.
A woman isn't a personality, a social construct, a feeling, a sexual preference, or a costume that a man can just put on or take off-- She's an adult, human, female. As it turns out, there's a prerequisite to being a woman-- and that's being born female.
This trans woman is so polite and seems so nice, it's remarkable. I hope all the best for her and her kid!
Arthur I don’t
@@chopinGota why not?
J bruh what’s your problem?
@J uh chill my guy, you acting outta pocket
@J Outta Pocket
Word used for when someone is out of line or acting up
Person: Dude that Danielle girl from Dr. Phil is just outta pocket,
You: That's what I'm sayin
If we had more polite people, we could actually get some where.
Init, shouting and arguing takes like ten times longer than a normal conversation when people are saying facts and opinions in a calm manor😂
Yeah the guy kept interupting people like geez
@@finch3917is there anything to be gained by accepting a view that defies objective scientific findings? His reactions and responses were impeccable because they seemed to not understand what they were talking about. Those suffering similarly need to catch up and become positively accepting of a norm that has been found to be the most life affirming i.e. gender binary (male and female). It is the most naturally sound.
So freaking true
but not if i have to lie to be polite
I love how the second girl bashes Western civilization but continues to live here and reap its benefits.
Well she just stated that in her opinion, it’s not far and away the best model of civilization. Living here doesn’t contradict that. Suffering children in Africa probably don’t believe they’re the model society yet they still live there. Some some people in Mexico yearn to move elsewhere because they dislike their society yet the stay in Mexico.
Danielle suddenly makes me want to respect someone's preferred pronouns.
the girl recording with her phone close to the table is so irritating.
Right? Like why is she even there
@@aldra8507 to record....... 🤔🤦♂️
"dO yOu WaNt Me To GiVe SoMe ScIeNcE?"
She was streaming and had 2 viewers.
@@HurricaneLaughter you don’t have to be two inches from the table
This trans woman. shes actually one of the most respectful guests To have been on this show.
I love it tbh
It’s gotten worse
@@GgGg-if8ko what
I know trans people and I am proud to include them among my friends. Anecdotally, trans people reinforce the gender binary. They wish to transition from one to the other (of two).
That's a man, not a woman
47:30 those Porsches pulling away are clean asf
The first trans woman to talk was almost inspiring in how kind and polite she was. Need more of that!
"There is no such thing as your truth there is the truth and your opinion" -Ben Shapiro
I'm called Ben shepario at school
@@duckghost1441 luck lucky man
Aside from the fact that science is not actually imuttable truth since It changes all the time. Physical theorys, postulates, randomized studys...for christ sake science used to say the sun orbitated the earth and smoking ciggarettes was good for your health.
Science is irrefutably the closest to truth but its not it. Wait for a new big study to come refuting everything Steven Crowder believes and he will get defensive and will call fake news. Dude doenst even believe in climate change and wants me to believe he cares for scientific ground. Please
@@Maninfsc I am a catholic so I am probably one of the person who believes that science is wrong the most, so I agree with that but climate change doesnt exist and here is why. When people say that it hasn't been this hot in 100 years they imply that it was this hot 100 years ago. The earth moves in cycles. The earth was in an ice age and it heated up causing the ice to melt renewing the cycle. I know climate is not the same as weather and the temperature, but I am saying the earth works in cycle and it is slowly getting hotter and colder as time goes on. If that makes any sense at all. I am no expert on it but that is what I picked up from high school biology.
@@theschneider9716 so youre saying the earth is cycling the weather...therefore you are saying the climate IS changing. What is argued is climate change is natural, but human interference is accelerating this process. You do think climate change is real, you are just seeing with a different perspective.
Danielle made a civil discussion because Danielle is a civil engineer.
Change my mind!
underrated comment
Lmao
*Daniella
Nah, Danielle was about to pop off a couple times like all leftists do.
@@peanutthepoodle he never did that makes the difference
I have Gender-Euphoria so my pronoun is "Superman."
Steven: A polite person wouldn't interrupt and I haven't interrupted at all. Now then, is there a difference between male and female brains?
Anyone on other side of table: I would absolutely say -
Steven: HOW MANY GENDERS ARE THERE!?
"I'm just going to keep talking as though you're polite".
I just about died when Crowder said that😂
D.O.A. she was definitely struggling in all regards.
RIGHT!
Why does he even host this show if he's gonna be such a passive aggressive prick
Respect for Danielle.
Thats how u debate properly.
Try to be like Danielle
I agree
I mean, I would hardly think that falling back constantly on the "my truth" thing every time Steven brings up "THE truth" is a good way to debate. They constantly tried to avoid letting the conversation go somewhere that pointed out that they just wanted to be viewed as special. They were initially polite sure, but as soon as Steven started pointing out objective truths she was almost as rude and interruptive as her employee because when the facts don't agree with their opinions, they don't want to hear it. Same as how they tried to change the argument as well as twisting his words to make her look like a victim. "Questioning their humanity" something he never did or even insinuated.
Prior to those last few minutes I would've agreed with you, but over time that changed.
That's probably because she got a bit offended.
Especially the last statement Steven made.
Then again, he was not wrong but it could be considered not respectful according to some trans people.
I think Danielle could not take that and that upsetted her.
Spectter Games don’t try to be like Danielle cause she’s a trans. And fucks with society and science all together. Danielle
Don’t be like her
Danny is not a bad looking....
Man
Danielle carries herself in such a way that everyone in the comments uses "her" and "she" instead of "he" and "man" give respect and you are shown respect ......how has that been lost?!?!
The girl filming vertically just shows how messed up the world has become
Hhahahha
I'm only about 10 minutes or less into this vid but I love the fact that this transgender person is so amicable and calm in this conversation. There's no reason for some of these LGBT activists to be so angry and confrontational. Great example of a conversation with different points of view!
TVATodd it gets a little choppy with the second one
When they get into mobs they act like mobs.
Definitely agree. I don't agree with the boss, but at least I can see her point of view.
Oh just wait for the 2nd guest...I’m assuming your brain has exploded from the vast amount of ignorance and hatred coming from her....I’ll call an ambulance for you buddy...
He seemed pretty nice, comparatively, even though obviously mentally ill and deciding to embrace his illness instead of correcting it, which is sad.
I really appreciated Danielle's attitude and willingness to have a conversation regardless of difference of opinion.
I would add that it's very interesting to notice that all but one of the spectators are listening; the one who isn't listening is the girl, who is pacing back and forth, weighing up her stance in front of everyone, and not actually engaging in the thought processes occurring right in front of her
Yea I don't agree with her but she is one of the most civil and one of the people that actually have descent arguments against my beleifs
@@CamoDrako That second girl was absolutely unwilling to engage honestly and then has the gall to act like Stephen forced her to sit down. She was triggered from the very beginning, what a pathetic loser. THAT is why liberals are authoritarian.
Yeah he really seems like you could have a man to man conversation with him........!
and i appreciated her employees booty
This is a prime example of… it’s not the label, it’s the attitude. This person is kind, reasonable and valuable. They didn’t once accuse of transphobia due to a difference of opinion. Personally, I am only Twatphobic.
"Yesterday's medical term is today's hate speech. "
Stefan Paszki damn, u hit that right on the nail
That was the big payoff. That's probably what triggered her into leaving.
Great point
Yeah. Just like, in the past, people used to diagnose women as "hysterical" and it was a legitimate "illness" treated in mere absurd ways. Perhaps, development entails leaving behind outdated misconstrued and underexamined concepts when we start to have a better understanding of the human mind ?
@Biff Dingus Sex is biology. Gender is not. Even earlier studies not biased because of "Marxist feminism" (to quote you) state that. Please, enlighten me more how, as a person who has studied both psychology(with it's biological aspects) and politics, I am wrong and disregarding science :)
“Yesterday’s medical term is today’s hate speech. Society can’t keep up.” Likely the best point in the entire video to try to explain how ferocious the situation of the world is in relation to gender and pronouns.
He never explained why she is a woman, except for the reason she always felt he was a woman.
Her "My boss texted me and told me you were here, so I had to run over here and talk to you".... 5 minutes later - "You are interrupting my day by telling me my existence isn't valid!!" Uhh no one forced you to come have a conversation, your interrupting your own day by running over to Steven after your boss texted you! Some people!
yeah she was just irritated and maybe a little nervous and firing off all kinds of BS.
hahahahaha. I was laughing when she said he was ruining her day, but completely forgot about her running over to have the converation with him.
bruh her son is just vibin in the background with his shades on
his*
Younggkida-YT her*
@@jonida_u3709 it's him but okay
@@Salt____ it’s ur disrespectful
@@younggkida *her, respect it, it isnt hard
Such simple questions and they are just flummoxed by them. It is the duty of all sane people to confront the delusional people in society with the truth.
Alicia spoke 90% of the time and whenever he tried to respond to her points she blankly stares in front of her upset that her word vomit didn't immediately make him convert or she looks at the audience and laughs like she's saying "can you believe this guy". So childish.
“Yesterday’s medical term is today’s hate speech” - awesome line!
I feel the same way about retarded. it's a medical term meaning delayed growth. but because it's associated with negative connotations we vilify it. The word retarded never would have come to be considered hate speech if young boys didn't call each other retarded. so by that rationale, eventually every word will be hate speech. it's inevitable
Previous generations in her own family were totally fine with Biology, with the terms used and with calling all this spectrum of genders what they really are, simply, "sexual preference"
@maria that's also a problem I've got. Since I don't know on how to adress "them" since today's term seems to be bad mouthing the next day.
But I still did not get educated, as to why some people seemingly having a hard time to identify as male or female.
@@trueSconox I think it’s mostly down to miscommunication on all sides. No one wants to offend anyone, sure, but there is a system in place that seems to make people out to be hateful if they don’t conform to society - at least there is where I live
Well yes consider the words … spastic, retard, Neanderthal. It’s not just limited to sexual hate. But racial and intellectual. I think a lot of people think it’s just about sexual. All hate speech endorsed as medical,
Why can’t all debates be like the first conversation
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@The_Jaguar_ Knight Because of the right disrespecting people and screaming gays should be burned at the stake.
@@bradenallen1241 you do realize not every person does that right
@@bigdreamer4932 Kind of like how not all people on the left are incapable of having a conversation.
@@bradenallen1241 well left supports BLM and that’s a complete joke
_”How many genders are there?”_ The same answer is the same as the answer to _”How many colors are there”_ & _”How many shades of gray are there?”_ & _”How many frames of time are there within 1 second!”_
Why is the left so bad at using logic and metaphors?
They never explain anything. For example, use of the term “my truth” only applies if the metaphysical grounding of reality is consciousness, and perspectives are all there are. You have to claim that there’s no objective reality outside of consciousness in order for “my truth” to be valid.
The person in the orange shirt was so nice, so polite. I totally get that he felt like a girl from an early age. He’s not shoving it down everyone’s throat. This is the kind of trans woman that I like.
That first person was SUPER NICE, it makes me so happy to see someone trying to discuss this with SOME respect :')
Nancy Wang They are goi g for public office, they have to be nice.
Also, I did enjoy that part.
Ikr. People tend to get very triggered and rude on these conversations
And she was actually a genuine trans woman. Most genuine trans people just want to be left alone to live their lives in peace. It's usually transtrenders and SJW dickheads getting offended on their behalf. I'm a gay biracial male, and SJWs have made my life more complicated because I constantly encounter fawning retards who think that I deserve to be treated differently. It's patronising and insulting, but above all else, it's idiotic.
The first person was really nice and likable, but I feel that when the subject was transgender and Steven said some controversial things the conversation kinda ended.
I hope more people are as nice and well mannered as Danielle was.
Props to the first woman. So calm, open-minded and respectful
Wintryyy man*
@Shaggyplays _minecraft biological man* xy chromosomes can't change that
@Shaggyplays _minecraft Danielle literly said i am a transgender woman like 5 times
@Shaggyplays _minecraft Lol you could tell when he walked up to the table
Biological man.
To everyone saying Crowder brough up male and female brains, NO HE DID NOT. He mentioned it in the previous conversation, and the only reason they are talking about it at that moment is because SHE "brought it up." SHE WAS THE ONE WHO WAS REFERRING TO IT.
I love how the girl recording stopped recording when it got into a bigger discussion about “misgendering” laws and lawsuits. I love how she says that medical terms are like the N word “, but yet she refuses to actually talk about it when confronted that a racist slur is worse because it wasn’t a medical term.
Danielle was one of the most respectful people that ever has had a conversation with Steven
Although I don’t consider him as a female because I don’t believe in trans ppl, I still have some respect for him for staying humble