The V Synth range was sooo good. It's a travesty that Roland dropped support for it like a lead balloon. Truly unique in what it could do. This expansion sounds truly wonderful for D50 sounds too!
For those interested in *extensive testing* of D-50 versus V-Synth version please type following into google: "Roland V-Synth vs D-50 now some proper tests". Important: test contains two parts actually. Part is on Page 1, part on Page 2. I suggest reading it all and listening carefully. Have fun!!!
The best part actually starts on page two of this thread www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/986675-roland-v-synth-vs-d-50-now-some-proper-tests-2.html Some V-Synth sounds are a total fail. And there is another problem..I had both major revisions (CPU change) of the D50, a late D550 and an very early Musitronics equipped since 1988..wouldn't say they sounded different. But as far as I know nobody ever did a proper comparison of them all. Don, I think I downloaded your JD patches before there was the internet.
Yet another great work Woody and your V-Synth friend👍😎, nice quotes here and there e.g. "Don't Stop Believing" etc. 😋 both are fabulous, the real D-50 has a bit more punch in the bass, but now I want the V-Synth, because I had a D-50 already in the 90s. but always was more into "virtual modeling" stuff 😂✌
Finally hehe :) THANKS for the good comparison clip, Woody! You knew some of us expected it for a while. ;) As Nastya rightly stated below, the VC1 card is a real D-50 code put into a card memory, but it's the real one from Roland. Moreover, Roland had the excellent idea to add more raw waves to the original ones in order to create unique sounds, and also added the presets included in their rom cards, like Korg did with the Legacy collection VSTs. This makes the VC1 a truly UNIQUE instrument on its own, I guess. You can create new sounds, that you will never get with another VST emulation or even witht he real synth! Having both, the synth and the card, I'm happy to use these in my music, and sometimes I drive the Varios from the original synth, to take advantage of the aftertouch function, that always adds more colour to the sound. Waiting for the next video with your comments, please. Cheers!
interesting reading. i guess it's the original code, but the card doesn't contain the chips and circuitry of the the original so there must be some hardware emulation. it sounds just as good anyway, i think most would agree!
The joystick partial mix is NOT modelled on the card (they make this quite clear in the manual even though they include a graphic of it in the interface that suggests it is; you can actually see this graphic in the video). On the other hand, the CHASE functionality IS included. - Atreyu
Gully make a great point! Yes, the card offers up quite a meal of D50 goodness, beyond the original. I've also tested sending it sysex files of other D50 patches and it works perfectly. So if anyone comes across the Vsynth XT (and the Vsynth itself is a powerful machine) it's well worth the purchase. Two synths in one! :-)
The VC-1 on the original V-Synth does emulate the joystick using the Time-Trip Pad (page 7 of the VC-1 Owner's Manual says this). I have the VC-1 card and original V-Synth and can confirm the Time-Trip Pad does emulate the joystick's use for partial-mixing of the original D-50. Chase is also emulated as are the original D-50 reverb, chorus and EQ effects.
Same here. But I'm short of space and so I have an XT on the way. I'll probably keep the keyboard though. I did sell it once but the ebayer never paid up, I think I went for about £400 and they've shot up since then :)
@@6581punk Cool. Enjoy your XT. I sold my V-Synth a year ago! But I am going to buy an XT since I miss it. I thought I'd never sell it. But I hardly used it.
Now that's close enough for me.. Aftertouch is the key.. Expression of the parameters is what the D50 was about. I owned one in the 90s and a D5 totally different beasts.
Roland has so much gorgeous technollogy in their database... not just the D50, but also the whole V-synth (and other V instruments like V-piano, V-drums, Vaccordeon, V-Bass). And the lovely super naturall technollogy, (pcm, drums, va synth, acoustic) and the new ACB technollogy.. and much much more All these things are just programs sitting in their database... whenever they find a way to put it al in one keyboard,... they will blow some minds
Great video! The V-Synth emulation is really close, but not quite on some of the sounds. My guess is it has something to do with the sample rate (lower in the D-50 is my guess) It adds something to the sound in the original D-50 that is missing in the V-Synth emulation, but is very close on most sounds.
I had several D50 and the V-Synth thru the decades. I've kept the D50. There are...artifacts the V-Synth doesn't have. And there is something magic about the output stage of the D-50 the V-Synth also doesn't emulate. Hard to describe but it's there. To put my opinion into perspective: The MKS70 is not like two JX8P. And the MKS80 (had an early serial no.) is no Jupiter 8. While the JD990 to my ears sounds better than the JD800.
another great video Woody , both sound good , with a drum beat you would never tell the difference between them , some nice sounds you played , keep up your great work Woody ! 😎AK 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
This sounds pretty damn close! Even without the aftertouch effect. Much closer than the Anthology (sampled) version. And now, since you've admitted your small mistake on that, I'm really curious what it would sound like in similar conditions with the aftertouch.
I have both here, I did side by sides on a few of the patches. There was absolutely no difference whatsoever. Roland even used the original software from the D-50 in the V Synth so it is precisely the same software. Only the DACs can make any difference, I believe in certain situations these differences can be revealed, but in real use cases I can't hit those differences with mine.
Je suis un aficionado du D50 j'ai eu simultanément 1 D50 2xD550 et un VSynth avec carte vc1, une fois le paramètre character réglé sur D50 dans la page system, je n'entends pas de différence. Au point où je n'ai gardé que le vsynth et la vc1. Avec cette carte le D50 traverse le temps, sortie numérique et écran tactile, plus de problème de rubbers, une vraie réussite. Je garde plus mon vSynth pour le d50 que pour ses propres sons.... Le plug roland cloud d50 par contre m'a déçu...
For when I have my studio set up, 2 of the instruments I have are the D550 and V synth xt so I'm excited by many possibilities like layering 2 X D50 sounds together.
They do sound very similar, but the digital filter on the D50 sounds different to that on the V-synth. It's not noticeable on all of the patches, but the big sweeps sound different, and I think that the filter is the cause.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. The more sample based patches from the D50 sounded identical but the one with the filter sweep sounded quite different. I preferred the fuller sound from the D50.
this tells me Roland CAN bring out a D50 VST (please oh please not rental only) or a hardware boutique offering BUT if it's hardware it REQUIRES aftertouch keys or capability to be mapped to a expression pedal. it also REALLY needs to have that joystick if it's hardware or some way to midi map it to a controller/ controllers if it's just a VST or plugout for the system8 or 1
Thanks very much for this. I own a V-Synth XT rack, so I knew all about this, but hearing it compared with the original really emphasizes what an excellent emulation that this is. It's truly almost identical to the original. Actually, the only downside to it is that you lose all of the V-Synth's own sounds and capabilities (which are very impressive) while you're using it as a D-50. You can switch back and forth, but you can't use them together. I feel like I have an F-15 jet that can perfectly copy a WWII Mustang fighter. They're both great, but most of the time, the newer one is even better than the older one. So it sees a lot more use.
IIRC the D50 card also had a setting where you could emulate the original DAC converters for more authenticity. It would be nice to know if that setting was used for these recordings
I'm the person who helped Woody with the comparison. I can confirm that the "Sound setting" was set to D50 and not Vsynth. I believe that might be the default setting.
@Don Solaris Perhaps. I have not tried it myself but according to Paul Nagle's review for SoS: www.soundonsound.com/reviews/roland-vc1-v-card "In order to achieve this, Roland engineers apparently descended into the vaults to retrieve the original D50 code, which was stored on 5.25-inch disks. Running this code on the V-Synth produced a much cleaner sound than the original D50, because the D-A converters of the V-Synth are better than those of the D50 (not surprising when you consider how technology has marched on since 1987). To get around this, the card offers a 'D50 mode' for those that want it, which restores some of the grunge and aliasing of the original. A system menu offers the choice of the much-improved version or something closer to the sound owners of the original are familiar with. However, even in D50 mode, the V-Synth's emulation sounds better to my ears, and the reverbs are more acceptably quiet too."
Sorry to say, but you are absolutely wrong on that point - Years ago I did a side by side comparison of my D-50 and a "Vsynth D50", with the VC-1 card sound setting in both modes. There was a noticeable difference in the output quality of the VC-1 when it was in "D-50 mode". In fact it was noticeable enough that I was unable to fool several friends in a blind test.
These comparisons always get so muddy. While most agree there are more artifacts and brightness to the original D-50, people forget to mention the expressiveness of the keybed on the D-50 itself - which does not get captured over midi. A more concise comparison would be to drive both the v-synth and the D-50 from the same external midi keyboard instead and see if the differences diverge or converge on the sounds of both.
I´ve owned two D-50s since they came out in the 80s and used them over decades till about 2015. So I really know them well. But some years ago the 5 octave keyboard was just too small for the music I was playing and I looked for an alternative and found it with a Varios plus the VC-1 card. I can´t hear a significant difference and if there is one you wouldn´t hear it when playing in a band or redording it together with other instruments. Besides Roland has no replacement parts for the D-50 anymore. So if you want your D50-sounds to be preserved for the future the card would be the safest way to do so.
I'm really impressed. There's not that much difference between the real D50 and the emulated D50, but there's definitely a little richer low-end with the real D50. It's not perfect, but close enough that you couldn't even hear the difference if it would be accompanied by other instruments. Amazing!
Woody, vc1 it's not emulation of d50, it's original d50! Read manual for vc1 , and thanks for all Your videos) vc1 its original Roland d50 by Roland inc. Japan
Good synth comparisons. However, the beginning of the Intruder FX patch sounds slightly different to the original patch on the D-50 but the other parts of it sound almost the same.
the intruder fx patch seems to sound completely different on everything i've tested so far! hard to emulate, but then again, doesn't matter since this is just a gimmicky sound effect anyway. does anybody really use it..?
Good comparison! Apart from a few differences the VC-1 sounds quite close. I now wonder what the famous Jarre patches from the Revolution album would sound like on the VC-1. Did anybody give this a try?
Yes. There are some very discernible differences - the "Yamatano Orochi" patch from "Revolution Industrielle Part 1" (the "breathing" noise) sounds COMPLETELY wrong, because Roland decided to add some weird stereo panning/tremolo to one of the reverb algorithms. The famous rhythm from "Revolution Industrielle - Ouverture", which was originally a modified version of "Machine Run" patch is also wrong; that's because the original D-50 had a bug, which caused it to skip first three bytes when retiggering a sample loop. To partially remedy that, ie. so that the two rhythmic partials are in sync (at least for a while), one of the partials had to be slightly detuned. Now since that bug is fixed in VC-1 that detune causes sync problems itself. The rest of the patches are more or less ok, although the chorus on "Kokubostrings" sounds a bit weird.
Interesting. I didn't know about that bug in the D-50. It's kind of funny how difficult it is to replicate the older digital synthesizers with newer technology. Both Roland and Korg seem unable to replicate their own synthesizers perfectly. They give you a 'impression' of the D-50 and M1, but they aren't perfect.
Very impressive emulation. The original D-50 has just a slight bit more oomf in the low end, but apart from that it's hard to distinguish. Also... Playstation 1 startup at 5:18 anyone?
The v-synth D50 has two modes and you can make it closer to the original. Also, that PS1 startup sound is close, there's also a JD800 sound which is similar called 22 Classic Sweeper which is what I thought it might be.
evern I must admit this sounds dam close. you will have to get the jv-80 as this was the d50 replacement , I remember got the rack jv880 when I was in my band but it is all sampled used it along side my d50 as I could never let it go also moved over to the korg N364 after my M1 gave in . again love watching the vids
How do you make Parameter changes in the sequencer logic with midi using this synth. Nothing works for me how can you do this a video would be awesome...
hi! absolutely not, perhaps if you used low quality plugins or tools, but this was using Waves L2 to set the optimum volume which does not introduce any undesirable artifacts.
@@WoodyPianoShack I guess if you're working with 24 bit samples then the data loss won't be noticeable (audible). But Mathematically speaking there is a difference (data loss), unless you're exactly doubling the volume for example. Say for example the original sample contains a value of 31 and you multiply the volume by 1.5 (an extra 50%). Then the resulting value will be rounded, because it's digital information, to 46 or 47 (probably 46), whereas the correct value is 46.5. Basically there is a rounding error. In this example the error would only be introduced on odd sample values, even sample values would be resampled correctly.
@@danielgrace7887 that's true. there will be a mathematical difference, but inaudible other than desired effect to boost volume, that's why I choose transparent plugins. Of coursr, even just raising the volume slider in your DAW will do a mathematical change to the sound, or rendering out the tracks for example. Or uploading and being encoded by YT, or when playing back on your laptop, it's all mathematical algorithms that are manipulating the waveform
![Almost in tears | Roland D50 demo | Factory sounds [01]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3xfdigHwIeg/mqdefault.jpg)
The V Synth range was sooo good. It's a travesty that Roland dropped support for it like a lead balloon. Truly unique in what it could do.
This expansion sounds truly wonderful for D50 sounds too!
For those interested in *extensive testing* of D-50 versus V-Synth version please type following into google: "Roland V-Synth vs D-50 now some proper tests". Important: test contains two parts actually. Part is on Page 1, part on Page 2. I suggest reading it all and listening carefully. Have fun!!!
The best part actually starts on page two of this thread www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/986675-roland-v-synth-vs-d-50-now-some-proper-tests-2.html Some V-Synth sounds are a total fail. And there is another problem..I had both major revisions (CPU change) of the D50, a late D550 and an very early Musitronics equipped since 1988..wouldn't say they sounded different. But as far as I know nobody ever did a proper comparison of them all. Don, I think I downloaded your JD patches before there was the internet.
Yet another great work Woody and your V-Synth friend👍😎, nice quotes here and there e.g. "Don't Stop Believing" etc. 😋 both are fabulous, the real D-50 has a bit more punch in the bass, but now I want the V-Synth, because I had a D-50 already in the 90s. but always was more into "virtual modeling" stuff 😂✌
The sound “Fantasia” is a classic Roland sound. It’s good to see it is successfully represented in the Roland VT MODULE 😊
Wow, that synthesizer module is powerful! It sounds almost identical, even has the gritty sound the original has
Finally hehe :) THANKS for the good comparison clip, Woody! You knew some of us expected it for a while. ;)
As Nastya rightly stated below, the VC1 card is a real D-50 code put into a card memory, but it's the real one from Roland.
Moreover, Roland had the excellent idea to add more raw waves to the original ones in order to create unique sounds, and also added the presets included in their rom cards, like Korg did with the Legacy collection VSTs. This makes the VC1 a truly UNIQUE instrument on its own, I guess. You can create new sounds, that you will never get with another VST emulation or even witht he real synth!
Having both, the synth and the card, I'm happy to use these in my music, and sometimes I drive the Varios from the original synth, to take advantage of the aftertouch function, that always adds more colour to the sound.
Waiting for the next video with your comments, please.
Cheers!
interesting reading. i guess it's the original code, but the card doesn't contain the chips and circuitry of the the original so there must be some hardware emulation. it sounds just as good anyway, i think most would agree!
one other thought, is the joystick partial-mix of the d50, and chase, modelled on the v-card?
The joystick partial mix is NOT modelled on the card (they make this quite clear in the manual even though they include a graphic of it in the interface that suggests it is; you can actually see this graphic in the video). On the other hand, the CHASE functionality IS included. - Atreyu
Gully make a great point! Yes, the card offers up quite a meal of D50 goodness, beyond the original. I've also tested sending it sysex files of other D50 patches and it works perfectly. So if anyone comes across the Vsynth XT (and the Vsynth itself is a powerful machine) it's well worth the purchase. Two synths in one! :-)
The VC-1 on the original V-Synth does emulate the joystick using the Time-Trip Pad (page 7 of the VC-1 Owner's Manual says this). I have the VC-1 card and original V-Synth and can confirm the Time-Trip Pad does emulate the joystick's use for partial-mixing of the original D-50. Chase is also emulated as are the original D-50 reverb, chorus and EQ effects.
Great review. I'll never get rid of my V synth keyboard. I also have have D50 card and it sounds amazing.
Same here. But I'm short of space and so I have an XT on the way. I'll probably keep the keyboard though. I did sell it once but the ebayer never paid up, I think I went for about £400 and they've shot up since then :)
@@6581punk Cool. Enjoy your XT. I sold my V-Synth a year ago! But I am going to buy an XT since I miss it. I thought I'd never sell it. But I hardly used it.
Now that's close enough for me.. Aftertouch is the key.. Expression of the parameters is what the D50 was about. I owned one in the 90s and a D5 totally different beasts.
They both sound wonderful to me. :) Great collaboration. :)
cheers to that, thx!
Down in the park ! u rock woody!
Wow this REALLY sounds like the D50! Great comparison video, as always :).
thanks xav, yeah i think some are actually identical :)
Roland has so much gorgeous technollogy in their database... not just the D50, but also the whole V-synth (and other V instruments like V-piano, V-drums, Vaccordeon, V-Bass). And the lovely super naturall technollogy, (pcm, drums, va synth, acoustic) and the new ACB technollogy.. and much much more
All these things are just programs sitting in their database... whenever they find a way to put it al in one keyboard,... they will blow some minds
integra 7
I love the video setup in this one, it looks super lovely and nice to look at! That's one nice looking room. :)
A #NEON-like Journey Into Sound!
Close or not.. the V Synth is the best buy..
If i had a D50, i sold it :-)
And now they discontinued the Roland D-05 Boutique rack too...grrrr.
I just bought a V-synth XT, so the D-05 will have to go as soon as I was able to capture all patches of it in V-synth projects.
Great video! The V-Synth emulation is really close, but not quite on some of the sounds. My guess is it has something to do with the sample rate (lower in the D-50 is my guess) It adds something to the sound in the original D-50 that is missing in the V-Synth emulation, but is very close on most sounds.
There's two modes on the V-synth. Original and the D50 mode which is closer in sound. Depends if you want better clarity or not.
I had several D50 and the V-Synth thru the decades. I've kept the D50. There are...artifacts the V-Synth doesn't have. And there is something magic about the output stage of the D-50 the V-Synth also doesn't emulate. Hard to describe but it's there. To put my opinion into perspective: The MKS70 is not like two JX8P. And the MKS80 (had an early serial no.) is no Jupiter 8. While the JD990 to my ears sounds better than the JD800.
you are stupid
filkry88 a little triggered there, aren’t you?
@@crhkrebs FM synthesis is superior
filkry88 superior to what? The point is not being obnoxious towards those with differing opinions.
The artifacts u speak of are probably because the V-Snyth had better A/D converters.But I can understand you liking the D50.
another great video Woody , both sound good , with a drum beat you would never tell the difference between them , some nice sounds you played , keep up your great work Woody ! 😎AK 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
This sounds pretty damn close! Even without the aftertouch effect. Much closer than the Anthology (sampled) version. And now, since you've admitted your small mistake on that, I'm really curious what it would sound like in similar conditions with the aftertouch.
I believe the MIDI files include aftertouch data, so it should be played the same way by the V synth xt
I don't hear a difference.
I have both here, I did side by sides on a few of the patches. There was absolutely no difference whatsoever. Roland even used the original software from the D-50 in the V Synth so it is precisely the same software. Only the DACs can make any difference, I believe in certain situations these differences can be revealed, but in real use cases I can't hit those differences with mine.
Je suis un aficionado du D50 j'ai eu simultanément 1 D50 2xD550 et un VSynth avec carte vc1, une fois le paramètre character réglé sur D50 dans la page system, je n'entends pas de différence. Au point où je n'ai gardé que le vsynth et la vc1. Avec cette carte le D50 traverse le temps, sortie numérique et écran tactile, plus de problème de rubbers, une vraie réussite. Je garde plus mon vSynth pour le d50 que pour ses propres sons....
Le plug roland cloud d50 par contre m'a déçu...
For when I have my studio set up, 2 of the instruments I have are the D550 and V synth xt so I'm excited by many possibilities like layering 2 X D50 sounds together.
They do sound very similar, but the digital filter on the D50 sounds different to that on the V-synth. It's not noticeable on all of the patches, but the big sweeps sound different, and I think that the filter is the cause.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. The more sample based patches from the D50 sounded identical but the one with the filter sweep sounded quite different. I preferred the fuller sound from the D50.
At 1.53 nice to hear the intro to Howard Jones / Natural .Brings back memories of seeing HoJo at small venues especially at the Marquee.Cheers Woody.
this tells me Roland CAN bring out a D50 VST (please oh please not rental only) or a hardware boutique offering BUT if it's hardware it REQUIRES aftertouch keys or capability to be mapped to a expression pedal.
it also REALLY needs to have that joystick if it's hardware or some way to midi map it to a controller/ controllers if it's just a VST or plugout for the system8 or 1
word from some roland reps is that it's coming to a cloud near you for rent! :)
booo....not doing rental
Now both exist lol
D05 boutique out now!
just what i expected..Nice job!!
I literally can spend an entire day tweaking sounds but it sucks the life out of the writing process.
i write music then design the sound to suit the song. i have friends who just create sounds with synths all day.
Just In The sounds are supposed to INSPIRE your writing.
Thanks very much for this. I own a V-Synth XT rack, so I knew all about this, but hearing it compared with the original really emphasizes what an excellent emulation that this is. It's truly almost identical to the original.
Actually, the only downside to it is that you lose all of the V-Synth's own sounds and capabilities (which are very impressive) while you're using it as a D-50. You can switch back and forth, but you can't use them together. I feel like I have an F-15 jet that can perfectly copy a WWII Mustang fighter. They're both great, but most of the time, the newer one is even better than the older one. So it sees a lot more use.
geoffk777 Im guessing everything apart from mod stick are redundant in D50 mode?
6:16 OMFG I F*CKING LOVE THAT RESONANCE + CUTOFF
The Roland D-50s were made in 1987 and released in 1987.
getting mixed up with the m1 i guess.
Thanks for your hard work! And sharing!
IIRC the D50 card also had a setting where you could emulate the original DAC converters for more authenticity. It would be nice to know if that setting was used for these recordings
I'm the person who helped Woody with the comparison. I can confirm that the "Sound setting" was set to D50 and not Vsynth. I believe that might be the default setting.
This "setting" does absolutely nothing to the sound.
@Don Solaris
Perhaps. I have not tried it myself but according to Paul Nagle's review for SoS:
www.soundonsound.com/reviews/roland-vc1-v-card
"In order to achieve this, Roland engineers apparently descended into the vaults to retrieve the original D50 code, which was stored on 5.25-inch disks. Running this code on the V-Synth produced a much cleaner sound than the original D50, because the D-A converters of the V-Synth are better than those of the D50 (not surprising when you consider how technology has marched on since 1987). To get around this, the card offers a 'D50 mode' for those that want it, which restores some of the grunge and aliasing of the original. A system menu offers the choice of the much-improved version or something closer to the sound owners of the original are familiar with. However, even in D50 mode, the V-Synth's emulation sounds better to my ears, and the reverbs are more acceptably quiet too."
@sasarasa88: i.imgur.com/tRGWE1V.jpg :-)
Sorry to say, but you are absolutely wrong on that point - Years ago I did a side by side comparison of my D-50 and a "Vsynth D50", with the VC-1 card sound setting in both modes. There was a noticeable difference in the output quality of the VC-1 when it was in "D-50 mode". In fact it was noticeable enough that I was unable to fool several friends in a blind test.
These comparisons always get so muddy. While most agree there are more artifacts and brightness to the original D-50, people forget to mention the expressiveness of the keybed on the D-50 itself - which does not get captured over midi. A more concise comparison would be to drive both the v-synth and the D-50 from the same external midi keyboard instead and see if the differences diverge or converge on the sounds of both.
I´ve owned two D-50s since they came out in the 80s and used them over decades till about 2015. So I really know them well. But some years ago the 5 octave keyboard was just too small for the music I was playing and I looked for an alternative and found it with a Varios plus the VC-1 card. I can´t hear a significant difference and if there is one you wouldn´t hear it when playing in a band or redording it together with other instruments. Besides Roland has no replacement parts for the D-50 anymore. So if you want your D50-sounds to be preserved for the future the card would be the safest way to do so.
I'm really impressed. There's not that much difference between the real D50 and the emulated D50, but there's definitely a little richer low-end with the real D50. It's not perfect, but close enough that you couldn't even hear the difference if it would be accompanied by other instruments. Amazing!
Very nice! I notice the chase feature was also available on the v-synth. I wonder how that sounds?
yeah, there's a graphic of the joystick too. i wonder too.
I love the D50 sound so much I'm tempted to get a D550 if I can to layer sounds with my V synth XT. Btw is that Pizzagogo sound Propaganda Duel?
The D-50 is from 1987 :-D
Woody, vc1 it's not emulation of d50, it's original d50! Read manual for vc1 , and thanks for all Your videos) vc1 its original Roland d50 by Roland inc. Japan
hi! yeah, but some emulation of the chips and circuitry perhaps? not that it matters much, it's all about the end result. :)
Roland D50 is great! But I prefer the crisp, yet silky smoothness of V-Synth's D50 module.
Not forgetting the V-Synth version adds more PCM waves, better editing and I find the pad better than the stick.
@@6581punk yes indeed!
Good synth comparisons. However, the beginning of the Intruder FX patch sounds slightly different to the original patch on the D-50 but the other parts of it sound almost the same.
the intruder fx patch seems to sound completely different on everything i've tested so far! hard to emulate, but then again, doesn't matter since this is just a gimmicky sound effect anyway. does anybody really use it..?
Woody Piano Shack Gary Numan, JMJarre and me used Intruder FX to name but 3 😉
Dave Lee Roth also used the Intruder FX preset combined with Digital Native Dance at the beginning of the title track to the album Skyscraper.
05:21 Down in the park where the Mach men meet the machines and play death by numbers. :) Nice Numan.
Every thing bleeds
Good comparison! Apart from a few differences the VC-1 sounds quite close. I now wonder what the famous Jarre patches from the Revolution album would sound like on the VC-1. Did anybody give this a try?
Yes. There are some very discernible differences - the "Yamatano Orochi" patch from "Revolution Industrielle Part 1" (the "breathing" noise) sounds COMPLETELY wrong, because Roland decided to add some weird stereo panning/tremolo to one of the reverb algorithms. The famous rhythm from "Revolution Industrielle - Ouverture", which was originally a modified version of "Machine Run" patch is also wrong; that's because the original D-50 had a bug, which caused it to skip first three bytes when retiggering a sample loop. To partially remedy that, ie. so that the two rhythmic partials are in sync (at least for a while), one of the partials had to be slightly detuned. Now since that bug is fixed in VC-1 that detune causes sync problems itself. The rest of the patches are more or less ok, although the chorus on "Kokubostrings" sounds a bit weird.
Interesting. I didn't know about that bug in the D-50. It's kind of funny how difficult it is to replicate the older digital synthesizers with newer technology. Both Roland and Korg seem unable to replicate their own synthesizers perfectly. They give you a 'impression' of the D-50 and M1, but they aren't perfect.
yeah !
Why do you play arco strings like pet shop boys west end girls every time you play that sound?
simply because i'm re-using the same D50 audio/video/midi recording that I did for previous comparison. )
Ok
Very impressive emulation. The original D-50 has just a slight bit more oomf in the low end, but apart from that it's hard to distinguish.
Also... Playstation 1 startup at 5:18 anyone?
Henry Jones Jr. yeah, sounds exactly the same!
The v-synth D50 has two modes and you can make it closer to the original. Also, that PS1 startup sound is close, there's also a JD800 sound which is similar called 22 Classic Sweeper which is what I thought it might be.
evern I must admit this sounds dam close. you will have to get the jv-80 as this was the d50 replacement , I remember got the rack jv880 when I was in my band but it is all sampled used it along side my d50 as I could never let it go also moved over to the korg N364 after my M1 gave in .
again love watching the vids
thanks paul, if i see one for reasonable money then I'll pick it up!
Rock organ is the Eve of the War right? :P
How do you make Parameter changes in the sequencer logic with midi using this synth. Nothing works for me how can you do this a video would be awesome...
Very nice demo, the V-synth sounds a little bit ritcher, thanks !
i like that menora in the back!!!
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If you adjusted the volume of the wav file then wouldn't you have introduced a small amount of aliasing?
hi! absolutely not, perhaps if you used low quality plugins or tools, but this was using Waves L2 to set the optimum volume which does not introduce any undesirable artifacts.
@@WoodyPianoShack I guess if you're working with 24 bit samples then the data loss won't be noticeable (audible). But Mathematically speaking there is a difference (data loss), unless you're exactly doubling the volume for example.
Say for example the original sample contains a value of 31 and you multiply the volume by 1.5 (an extra 50%). Then the resulting value will be rounded, because it's digital information, to 46 or 47 (probably 46), whereas the correct value is 46.5. Basically there is a rounding error. In this example the error would only be introduced on odd sample values, even sample values would be resampled correctly.
@@danielgrace7887 that's true. there will be a mathematical difference, but inaudible other than desired effect to boost volume, that's why I choose transparent plugins. Of coursr, even just raising the volume slider in your DAW will do a mathematical change to the sound, or rendering out the tracks for example. Or uploading and being encoded by YT, or when playing back on your laptop, it's all mathematical algorithms that are manipulating the waveform
2:29 looks like West end girls of pet shops boys. 4:52 it reminds me ennya
I think Woody plays Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls theme)). Love Neil and Chris). Thank you Woody!
Um. Some yes, some no. Still, the V-Synth has a nicer sound than the VST, but the vst can nail the D50 on some patches also.
Roland please come out with an iOS version of the d-50 like Korg did with the M1
i don't think we'll see that, but a vst version on their roland cloud is rumoured.
Hopefully, Roland doesn't dumb the D50 reissue like Yamaha did with FM Reface DX (ok it's probably a reissue of the DX100, not the DX7)
Did I hear the chords of the Pet Shop Boys - Westend girls - at 2:30? :-D
That’s actually Sandstorm by Darude.
Is there a Roland D50 app for IOS?
The rack sounds better to me.
Yeah that's the same :)
D-50 wins by far! no 3D in the V-Synth. Very disappointed with the V-Synth. I expected much more....
D50 still punchier, warmer, wider, more real. Sorry :-/
D50 better