Ranking Grade One Sorcerers
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- čas přidán 25. 04. 2024
- In todays video I breakdown and rank each Grade One Sorcerer and Semi Grade One Sorcerer from Jujutsu Kaisen's anime and manga. This video does contain some JJK manga spoilers, however with time codes, and spoilers for the entire JJK anime, obviously. In this video we discuss Nanami, Mei Mei, Kusakabe, Yaga, Todo, Naoya, Naobito, Jinichi, Ogi, Utahime, Inumaki, Kamo, and Mechamaru, in-depth and compare them against one another.
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A few things I didn’t mention:
Yes, I’m aware Kamo fought Curse Naoya alongside Maki. I didn’t consider these feats worth mentioning for a few reasons, but generally I think earnestly scaling Kamo to Curse Naoya is a little weird. We do know Naoya’s speed in his second stage fluctuates as he’s capable of amplifying his speed with acceleration. We also know he’s not always using projection sorcery, an ability which gets faster after continuous uses. That combined with the fact Naoya’s initial base speed was enough that Kamo couldn’t even see him move, makes me confident most examples of Kamo reacting are due to Naoya not being serious as he’s prone to do(Yuji and Choso), so I don’t think it’s fair to say he has reactions above Shibuya Yuji’s
I forgot to include Ranta and Chojuro, the two members of the Hei that fought alongside Jinichi. These two would likely be above Toge and Kamo and below Jinichi, for pretty obvious reasons. Maki is seen as total garbage by the clan, and the Hei are the most powerful sorcerers of the clan.
Those saying the Kusakabe statement doesn’t include Naobito and Naoya, I’m well aware. I had kinda skimmed over that fact because it was unnecessarily confusing. I wanted to have an explanation that would be acceptable for the anime onlies without having to get into the manga spoilers that Kusakabe had gotten stronger. By just saying Kusakabe is stated the strongest, which is partially true but also true due to feats, I could kinda sideswipe that tangent. During the Shibuya Incident I would agree Naobito and probably Naoya are superior to Kusakabe, if only slightly seeing as his Simple Domain is kinda a really good ability for dealing with them, but Kusakabe’s current feats are well above that. Him being comparable to base Yuta, even if you said he was only around Maki when she first faced the Hei, that would be enough to take down Naobito
Me saying “apparently” wasn’t dismissing Mahito, Yuji and Megumi having Gojo level potential. The joke is that all the characters said to have that potential never end up getting there
Agree with this. And also since simple domain severely weaken (might negate) curse technique. I'll say Kusakabe will win in most fight again those Zenins. If they can move so fast second only to Gojo so what? You step to Kusakabe's SD and you'd get cooked. Even Nanami said only Gojo who can handle the garage of slashes by Kusakabe's Domain.
@@mustafaazmi7106 not really if naobito or naoya touched kusakabe then he's cooked since he would freeze for a 1sec
They also have falling blossom emotion for any physical contact
@@Planetdestroyer.138 you again, average kusakabe hater, make naoya or naobito damages sukuna and they get no diff
Dude you should rank all the squadron leader ants from HxH
@mustafaazmi7106 Even if Naobito or Naoya get the first hit in there's no way they'd one shot Kusakabe and there'd still be a window in which Kusakabe could get a simple domain in.
sukuna vs kusakabe was literally The strongest sorcerer of history vs the strongest sorcerer available
One day there will only be a rat available
The strongest vs. The strongest not strongest.
Kusakabe my goat.
I would have never thought he would be that strong
He’s him
Great video. There is only one thing I heavily disagree on: mei mei being higher than nanami. Nanami fought mahito and survived, fought dagon and entered in his domain and survived with some damage, after that he takes an attack from jogo (the strongest curse at that time).and survives; and after ALL OF THAT fights with many soul-manipolated humans. Mei mei fights with a nameless curse with a weak domain and , with the hel of her brother ui-ui who can use SIMPLE DOMAIN, survives. Nanami is obviously a bit stronger
At the time they fought Mahito was fairly weak, and Nanami only lived due to Yuji interrupting the Domain. Dagon would’ve destroy Nanami within the domain had it not been for Megumi, and he couldn’t even hurt base Dagon without Naobito’s help. Mei Mei’s mainly ranked so high because the Special Grade she should scale strongly to Yuji during the events of Shibuya, whereas Nanami is less clear
@@Professor_Fiction
For all we know, the special grade curse was only special grade because of its hax ability. The grasshopper curse was only as strong as a semi grade 1, so defeating something vaguely above that (with help) isn’t too impressive. Nanami has a statement putting him >=Yuji at that time which is more clear cut imo.
@@RealMonzer Yuji was definitely stronger than Nanami in Shibuya
@@ubongakpabio7576
By the end yes, at the start Ino thinks he “may” hit as hard as Nanami.
@@RealMonzer I don't think so. I really believe Nanami won’t stand a chance against Choso. Yuji lost to Choso because he was caught off guard and ended up fighting one-handed. And Ino had never seen Yuji fight so be based that off one punch. Yujis endurance, durability and Speed are definitely higher than Nanami's. Everyone always talks about his superhuman strength, and that isn't for nothing.
“Mei Mei is the strongest grade one due to her fear of being able to fend off child protective services on the daily.” -lynnusuk2092
Grade 1 is my favorite Grade of JJ sorcerer, i think it's because they're more down to earth idk
Mei mei, naoya, hakari ( his ass is not special grade, his domain does all the job and a channel already proved it, look it up ), todo a little, naobito and probably many more that is too late at night for me to figure out 😬
It's similar to how i like jonin-level fights more than Kage-level and above fights in Naruto.
@@Depressed_until_dead hakari should definitely be special grade, even by the dumbass standards of wiping out a country, he could easily just hit jackpots over and over again and beat the shit out of everyone and everything + even if he isn't stronger than yuta hes 100% relative or equal to him
i mean theres only really 1 and special lol
@@PiggTheKiddbro is NOT Yuta level
Yuji is so far beyond any grade 1 character
nah, naobito would still outperform him in speed imo, just speed and speed alone would probably give him the dub, he is probably outclassed in every other way lol ( reminder that the sukuna they all are fighting now is horribly tired and injured, stop glazing the main cast )
@@Depressed_until_dead
Are you caught up with the manga? Yuji is relative to Maki during the Sukuna fight and current Maki would shitstomp Naobito unless you think Naobito>>Curse Naoya.
@@RealMonzer this is soooo wrong to see, only because yuji is first place xD, yuji IS weaker than maki in raw stats, i don't see how people can't understand it. Just because he spams b flashes it doesn't make him better, look at what maki has done to sukuna and then yuji ... maki is single handedly crippling sukuna and yuji just annoys him ... throughout their entire fight. S-T-O-P G-L-A-Z-I-N-G
@@RealMonzer caught up? when did you see him catch up? all i see is him being dragged around and using rct, he is literally the third wheel in all of the fights 😂
@@RealMonzer curse naoya and naobito are not far off imo, for a while i had that thought but it's simply not the case. There's a reason naobito was mentioned as the fastest sorcerer other than gojo 🤐
Todo’s boogie woogie counters Naoya’s CT. The way Naoya’s CT works is he has to pre map out his movements. This goes by the way side when Todo swaps places.
Thank you. I wanted to make a video about this, but wow, you're awesome. Love your videos.
I think Nanami hits way harder since in the “Kusakabe is the strongest grade 1” flashback Nanami admitted that in striking power Kusakabe is below him and MeiMei. This either implies MeiMei’s ce reinforced normal axe strikes are on par with a ratio ce reinforced strike (which I think is unlikely, considering Kenjaku didn’t even praise MeiMei’s axe skills), or bird strike is relative to a full ratio hit from Nanami (which I think is the more likely interpretation since Sukuna did “praise” both, by internally thinking about it with ratio and actively blocking bird strike).
To be fair it wouldn’t change Nanami’s ranking seeing as Mei Mei would just be all around better and Namami’s actual speed scaling is not great
Nanami has a direct statement comparing his striking power to early Shibuya yuji. I imagine his ratio hits are stronger than Mei meis normal strikes but bird strike should be stronger. Narratively bird strike is described as a one shot move and even sukuna chose to dodge instead of defend, it should be stronger than anything Nanami can do.
I had so much hope for panda in the beginning😭
Yaga is said to have the potential for a special grade. He was supposed to be executed the first time he made an autonomous cursed doll.
They only kept him at Grade 1 because he lied saying creating Panda was a fluke.
Having him that low is a travesty.
The reason he was a potential special grade was because he could ‘theoretically’ make an army of cursed corpses like panda, which would in turn allow him to overthrow a nation. It’s prep based if anything
@@Professor_Fiction
Yes, it's prep-based. And It's far from theory, he has made more than a few autonomous cursed dolls. He kept his other creations a secret within a forest protected by Tengen
and only stopped because of what might happen. And he created another one as a favor for Kusakabe. So, his ability to create an army is a given and more than just a theory.
If you're docking him points for needing prep time, that's understandable but that means you have to do the same for Mechamaru and the Special Grade Suguru Geto in your rankings. They both need prep time and in Geto's case, access to resources (curses) to create their army.
Even Mahito was almost useless after he ran out of transfigured humans when he was fighting against Yuji
@@Professor_Fiction geto was given special grade for the exact same reason (that he could potentially amass an entire army, in which he did)
There’s kind of a difference with those characters in the sense that the prep they did had a tangible, measurable result. We really don’t know what a max potential Yaga looks like at all, whereas Mechamaru had an actual fight
I think Mei Mei and Mechamaru are a little too high. The grasshopper curse wasn’t really comparable to Yuji, and the smallpox curse is featless. Special grade is a large range. Megumi could beat a special grade finger bearer when his best scaling at that point was fighting the semi grade 1 Kamo. The first finger bearer (also a special grade) was much weaker than this one. So her best scaling is killing some curses that are vaguely above someone who Yuji could already low diff. Taking this into account, Mei Mei seems kinda featless and I don’t think you can put her above Yuji.
Mechamaru seemingly does well vs Mahito, but at the end of the fight Mahito says that it wasn’t close at all and he was just sandbagging. Combine this with the fact that his stamina is very limited and he doesn’t seem too impressive.
Nanami I think is a bit underrated. Naobito’s punch did more visible damage, but Dagon had already been hit many times at that point, and Nanami’s attack was able to send Dagon flying, which most of Naobito’s attacks did not do. Nanami also took significantly less damage than Naobito (given he was hit by an attack of less than half the strength), and he went on to survive an attack from Jogo and keep fighting. He also scales to a Yuji who should be stronger than his goodwill self. Being able to harm full power Hanami is more impressive imo than killing the smallpox deity or hurting a sandbagging Mahito.
With mechamaru I interpreted it as mahito bullshitting because geto was there. Those soul blasts looked like they HURT.
While it would be especially difficult to react to Projection Sorcery, if Todo paid attention to the CE spark when it’s used he could continuously freeze Naobito or Naoya by moving them out of their predetermined path, but hey maybe not but it could be interesting if you prescribe to it being able to work
I think one thing that put's mei mei a bit higher is the fact that her crows can broadcast in detail the sukuna vs gojo fight, and she has their vision. So by extension her perception speed is honestly top 3 bare minimum. But obviously the goat kusakabe smokes the list
i remember the hype over kusakabe kaisen and HE DELIVERED THATS THE BEST PART
Thanks for giving ultimate mechamaru a fair ranking people say he’s special grade level
Mahito is definitely had the potential to reach the strongest, and same goes for Megumi and Yuji.
Midgumi stop the capppp bro is yeeks ngl at best he could summon 20 mahos via domain and that’s his cap he’s not like that
@@aidenharris5296"potential"
mahito is a verified special grade, no reason to mention him in this vid
I always thought the story was trying to say that if Mahito had time to grow he would become the next Sukuna.
@@aidenharris5296 why you saying 20 mahos at best like its nothing 😭😭😭😭😭
Kamo Alive and fought awakened naoyo your drunk on his scaling
***survived for a minute or two
Something I’d be interested in seeing is Ino’s ranking. He was about to be promoted to Grade 1 before Shibuya if I’m not mistaken and he’s lasted exceptionally long against a weakened Sukuna. Yes he’d be really hard to scale given fatigued Sukuna and whatnot but Ino should place decently high on the list as of current
Absolute Mechamaru is way too low... Absolute Mechamaru would be able to vaporise practically all official Grade 1 sorcorers with his CE blasts and no amount of domain hax or dodging by someone like Mei Mei or Kusakabe would allow them to win. In my opinion Absolute Mechamaru is without a doubt the strongest official Grade 1 Sorcorer in JJK. Otherwise I think Kusakabe is second.
Id say he’s below Naobito , naoya and goatsukabe . He definitely stronger than mei mei and I’d put him above todo aswell .
Couldnt To-Do Just clap him out of His Mech? Lol funny thought @@mattc4266
Agree tho. Mechamarus attacks are being treated like they wouldnt incinerate three thirds of the cast which Just doesnt make sense.
good video
I disagree in many positions but there are not enough to compare grade ones with each other, so it's more instinct I guess? I mean, I would consider Mei Mei and Hanami above Todo, since they were really the only ones that were discussed when comparing themselves to Kusakabe, Mei Mei even said that in terms of brute force, she and Nanami are better. Then there is the issue that Gojo said that if the big clans come into the equation, Kusakabe may no longer be the strongest, so Naobito could perfectly be ranked one.
Also somewhat forgot to mention Nanami’s ability to use black flash. As stated many times, people who experience black flash are on a different level to those who haven’t.
so here is the thing with the mei mei, nanami and todo argument's it's that they all scale physical to a shibuya yuji, nanami directly with his AP and todo with mahito fight and mei mei is adjacently scaled to yuji. so then we go to dagon scaling which I think people miss use in that the statement nanami say's doesn't imply his ratio technic is doing nothing but more that dagon has a great supply of curse energy to the point his regen make's it seem he has infinite HP. however I think the most helpful thing that dagon fight show is that nanami is kind of a tank has he take's dagon's domain and a "kill" shot from jogo and gose on to fight some week curse. which arguable the most impressive durability feat in shibuya has while chose dose a number on yuji that's heeled because of sukuna. but speaking of sukuna I think that is the best way to scale mei mei and uei uei has we clearly see that her crow's are reacted to by sukuna however they are avoid and not tanked which implies that would do something to him which kind of make scenes depending on how you scale sukuna (ever he is relatively constant through out the series or his finger provide relative boost's which there is no evidence to support). however this help scale nabito to be relative current cast in speed AP is a little fishy
I love that every time Gojo says potential level, the lol comes out
Thank you finally someone brought up Inumaki being on a different level to the Tokyo squad, also Ive been reading the manga lately and it's different, but at least in the anime Inumaki blatantly speed blitzes Todo so do with that as you will
Inumaki is not close to todo physically, has a very handy ct tho. But useless when sorcerers see him coming since it’s so easy to defend against, and if he uses it against significantly stronger opponents then they don’t even have to defend against it cuz it wouldn’t work
@@farsous10 well in the anime he intercepted Todo charging towards megumi then grabbed his collar let it down then told Todo to not move before Todo could react a pretty blatant speed blitz but ONLY in the anime so yeah not sure how people feel about thay
@@PiggTheKiddYeah no. Look at the difference in how they performed against Hanami. Todo was fooling around with Megumi, Inumaki is not blitzing him.
I would say kamo should be above inumaki at least only because of his feats against naoya naoya should be demonstrably above hanami as toji dog walked Dagon who should be relative to hanami and kamo was able to still react to naoya
Kamo’s reactions against Naoya were very weird seeing as he blatantly couldn’t see Naoya during much of the encounter. His attack potency against the higher tiers is also in contention still, so I wanted to rank him a bit more consistently
@@Professor_FictionI think it's mainly because kamo started using flowing red scale to increase his perception, which he wasn't using in the beginning.
@@log5531 it’s possible but when he used it on Megumi there were physical changes on his face to show he used it. Same with Choso
@@Professor_Fiction He uses it on chapter 193, page 3. I wasn't sure either but I just checked.
Bro really let the shibuya incident go down cause he was not looking to work
Yuji is definitely a special grade. I'm not just saying this because he has Sukuna's power, but also because he can retain the cursed technique of whatever he eats.
I don’t think it’s anything, probably just his brothers
@@nerdcorner2680 lol it’s any cursed spirit or object, he literally said he’d eat anything to defeat sukuna . That’s why they call him a cage. Is sukuna his brother? Think first
@@ubongakpabio7576I mean they are related I guess
@@ubongakpabio7576 if that was the case they would have fed Yuji everything they could during the month. Sukuna is an exception because he was in Yuji for so long. That probably would happen to anyone if they at that many Sukuna fingers as long as Yuji did
Lmao 🤣 people are still coping and saying he’s grade 1??? I thought it’s obvious yuji is shown blatantly being special grade
With the new chapter out it looks like Todo might lock in as the stringest Grade 1 sorcerer
Todo always has this presence that hes stronger then the other grade 1s, and he consistently fights and beat special grade curses and natural disasters
I feel like we forget maki being alive is a spoiler
Aaaaaa ooey ooey and owie todo
they said that kusakabe was the strongest grade 1 (not including the big 3 families)
I know I was mainly using the statement in tandem with the feats on display. I figure mentioning it was excluding the big 3 would just add confusion
Inumaki and Yaga really should've gotten more scenes in JJK lol. (All the Zenins as well lol but whatever)
He just lol'd at yuji having potential to rival gojo.... does he know?
If you count the 🐐UiUi as part of Mei Mei’s arsenal you might have to throw her into special grade 😂
Mahito definitely could’ve been honored one level if given time, he wasn’t even a year old
Is 1/10th power Yuji really that inconsistent? Yuji was already far stronger than Mahito the entire time b4 the transformation. Mahito seemingly running away the entire fight utilising gorilla tactics. I will say the anime does make Yuji look less impressive so if you think that’s canon fair enough.
Also shouldn’t Naoya’s durability scale to his top speed else his body would fall apart hitting Maki.
Personally I’d put him in no.2 below kusakabe.
Kusakabe looked like a weak coward during shibuya. What a twist
Well to be fair he was up against fucking Sukuna and was half trying to keep Panda safe
@@alfalldoot6715 it looks like that with respect to panda knowing what we know now. But at the time he was looking like Usopp from one piece :) at least to my eyes
Shouldve included all possible grade ones
So you stopped reading the series halfway through 253 before you made this video?
I feel like yaga was supposed to be super powerful with him being the Tokyo principle and being considered for special grade (still don’t think he would be stronger than people like kusakabe tho) too bad he got offscreened lol
Naobito and Naoya when Kusakabe throws his trench coat over them (their entire technique is completely negated)
Its disingenuous to not include kamo feats against curse naoya
This was a good list, but there's three things I want to change. First of all, Nanami is stronger than Mei Mei. He fought Mahito, an unregistered Special-Grade and one of the strongest Disaster Curses, and equaled him (albeit that Mahito didn't have DE and was significantly weaker than his Shibuya-self, equaling a Disaster Curse no matter what time period you do it in is impressive). Furthermore, he survived an attack from Jogo that NAOBITO (someone who lost an arm and was fine afterwards) couldn't. Mei Mei, with help, struggled to defeat the Smallpox Deity, a cursed spirit that isn't even on the same level as the Mahito that Nanami fought and equaled with minimal injuries.
Also, Naoya should be significantly lower. In fact, lower than Absolute Mode: Mechamaru (at least in his human form, not as a Vengeful Cursed Spirit). Mechamaru in this mech was able to HURT Mahito who was likely equal to Mahito from the Shibuya Arc, and actually survived his Domain Expansion. He was also stated by Kenjaku to have "special grade levels of cursed energy output" which is INSANE.
Todo should also be above Naobito. Todo was able to single handedly parry and counter all of Mahito's moves, even knocking him around and getting the upper hand (a Shibuya Arc Mahito). He also countered Mahito's Domain Expansion easily, countered Idle Transfiguration by cutting off his arm, and tanked a Black Flash from Mahito. He also went on to further beat up a Mahito that was 120% of his true potential AND got enhanced by a Black Flash amp afterwards with one hand and severe injuries. He also was beating up Hanami & forced her to use Domain Expansion alongside Goodwill Event Arc Yuji. Furthermore, he's currently fighting True Form Sukuna & is doing well against him alongside Yuji. Naobito was getting beat up by DE Dagon.
Here's my top five list of the strongest Grade One Sorcerers:
#5 - Nanami (* equaled an earlier Mahito, survived Jogo's flaming attack, killed countless cursed spirits with half of his body completely eviscerated)
#4 - Absolute Mode: Mechamaru (* hurt Mahito with his cursed energy blasts, had special grade levels of cursed energy output, survived Mahito's Domain Expansion)
#3 - Naobito (* dominated Dagon pre - Domain Expansion, was the only person out of Nanami, Maki, and himself to counter Dagon's shikigami via Falling Blossom Emotion, is stated to be the fastest sorcerer outside of Satoru Gojo, knocked Dagon down despite not having an arm in his Domain Expansion)
#2 - Todo (* was beating up Hanami with Yuji, forcing her to use Domain Expansion [with Hanami having the highest level of durability out of the Disaster Curses]. He was beating up a 120% potential + Black Flash-amped Mahito with one arm and having just tanked a Black Flash from that same Mahito. Parried, countered, and got the upper hand against Mahito countless times in the battle. Currently, he's fighting True Form Sukuna [albeit weakened] alongside Awakened Yuji, showing relativity to that same Yuji [with that Yuji capable of beating up True Form Sukuna by himself] and punishing even Sukuna himself)
#1 - Kusakabe (* was able to tank a Maximum: Uzumaki by Kenjaku which had Mahito inside of it, got praised by Sukuna and was fighting Sukuna hand-to-hand. Blocked all of Sukuna's slashes and was able to even surprise and kind of hurt Sukuna by himself. Was stated to be the strongest Grade One Sorcerer by multiple people, such as Nanami, Mei Mei, and even Gojo himself who thought that the title was obvious.)
I disagree with todo. Both mahito and sukuna acknowledge that tge main issue with todo is his boogie woogie. Not only would boogie woogie be tougher to use in a 1v1 setting, but naoya and naobitos projection sorcery present a severe disadvantage to todous boogie woogie.
@@ghhbpolo Mahito's statements are that "Boogie Woogie is disorienting, even if you know about it." Plus, while it is harder to use in a 1v1 setting, he still can infuse other inanimate objects with cursed energy and use those as what he switches with. Plus, Todo was HURTING Hanami (the most durable unregistered special grade cursed spirit), and that alone would allow him to beat Naoya. Naobito is more difficult, but Todo is relative to Yuji currently (who isn't really Awakened anymore, but still extremely powerful), and that would put him above these two easily.
Plus, Projection Sorcery is actually an advantage to Boogie Woogie, as Todo can switch places with them right as they use Projection Sorcery & is about to attack him, leading them to miss and allowing Todo to have a perfect counter strike.
@shubhangshekhar6041 people need to stop overrating landing a hit. This isn't dragon ball where people display power by catching punches or kicks with their face. In actual fighting, a person's power doesnt correlate to their durability. Otherwise u wouldn't be able to hurt urself, but u can. So sukuna being damaged by todo while in a 1v2 with yuji doesn't mean todos on the same lvl as yuji. In addition, hanami being durable has never once been stated as a seemingly unreachable lvl of durable. She/he was just extremely durable COMPARED TO JOGO, wouldve died if he took yujis black flashes.
Yes, even if they know about it, but my main point was that naoya and naobito would also have a COUNTER to boogie woogie, in that the sheer speed they move at exceed maki and nanamis reaction and perception speed. And that's only the initial speed. That speed can be stacked upon as well. If go based on that, a close combat battle would make it very hard for todo to clap his hands before naoya or naobito can attack. Naoya was extremely destructive in his first fight with maki too. U can't just pass him off as not being a problem for todo. Taking tge time to infuse ce into something and throwing would be even harder than clapping his hands.
good video
KUSAKABE SWEEEEEPPPPPPPPP
Bro said go to this time stamp to avoid spoilers when he already started spoiling like wtf
Are you seriously saying that Yuji doesn’t have Gojo level potential? Seriously?
He doesn't have the reserves, if Yuji wasn't a physical beast he would be fodder, his whole thing is tanking.
@@santiagojara8056 he absorbed 6 special grade cursed objects. He does have high reserves. And, as he gets stronger, his reserves will likely increase as well.
@@Cosmosdestructorthey’re not going to hear you bro the fact that he was specifically stated to be a perfect vessel for Sukuna meaning his reserves would have to be fairly strong.
@@santiagojara8056sukuna has the potential of sukuna who has surpassed Gojo so yeah I’d say he has potential to surpass Gojo and he has a pretty good amount of ce after eating all the death womb paintings
@@santiagojara8056 Yuji's potential is equal to that of Sukunas so he has the potential to surpass Gojo, yes
Boogie Woogie will cancel out projection sorcery
I think nanami is stronger than Mei Mei
Maybe physically, but bird strike (especially in a open area with a ton of black birds) would still put her above him.
yo your information about gojo's six eye and nayo's top speed is wack. You sound like John Werry. fykyk
Where’s my boy Ino the Sheisty Sorcerer
Utahime my goat 💪💪💪
Not too sure if I agree with #1 cause there’s so much to context around (spoilers) scaling.
Don’t read to avoid spoiling the video
In that panel you posted even Gojo says “It’s a different story of we include the 3 families”.
There’s also the fact that while Kusikabe was being gased up that chapter, they immediately walk it back a bit the next chapter
Mei Mei say’s physically she and Nanami are stronger than him.
Nanami says it’s not that he sees Kusikabe winning all his fights, it’s just hard to imagine him losing.
Cause Kusikabe famously keeps himself out of situations he’d be outclassed in, which is solid intuition on his part.
Personally I keep Naobito as the strongest (official) grade 1 but Kusikabe is a strong runner up.
Why does everyone forget that kusakabe was training for the month
I definitely think that the slashes sukuna used on kusakabe are faster than naobito and kusakabe could block and defend them.
Also it's implied by nanami that no one can dodge his simple domain slashes so I doubt naobito could
@@godspeed6980 The only thing Sukuna brings up is that everyone’s defense has increased over the 1 month timeskip. Now that’s not to say that they’re not stronger in other categories but that’s the biggest observation he made.
And we’ve seen programmable simple domains before. Miwa used it on preawakened Maki. They basically turn their bodies into the avenue for auto defense when something crosses into their new shadow style radius. This allows them to move beyond their normal speed.
But as we’ve seen even Kusikabe was having a hard time keeping up with Sukuna’s slashes after he stopped using his hands. He was toying with him.
This it further showcased after we learned when Choso renters the fight that Sukuna can move faster than his slashes that makes it even more apparent how outclassed Kusikabe was.
@youfirst6611 sukuna is toying with everyone tho I was just bringing up as a feat cus sukuna does the exact same to maki where maki could dodge a amped dismantle but once sukuna got excited and was serious he blitzed maki easily
@@godspeed6980 So if you agree with the fact that using Sukuna as a benchmark is shaky due to his lackadaisical approach to his opponents before overwhelming them, why bring up Kusikabes performance against him?
Because that inherently skews the feat itself beyond this also being a nerfed Sukuna. Trying to use it as concrete proof of Kusikabe>Naobito is dodgy at best.
Kusikabes biggest statements come from other people(Gojo,Mei Mei,Nanami, and Ino) aside from the later the other 3 flat out give reasonings that show that’s it’s more nuanced than simply “Kusikabe is just stronger than all other grade 1’s”.
Had Gojo not said what he said my argument would falter a bit. But given Gojo did and he’s very blunt about power rankings it’s obvious Naobito is the peak of grade 1.
@youfirst6611 idk cus kusakabe has other statements like nanami saying he doesn't know anyone who could dodge his simple domain attack and ino thinking he could keep up with special grades who are all faster than naobito
Kusakabe just seems more impressive to me, I mean he has shown greater ap and dura feats than naobito aswell and I don't believe naobito has shown greater feats than that
Even lowball kusakabe is a blitz lvl above other grade 1s like nanami and mei mei with his SE slashes which puts him in that naobito and naoya tier of speed anyway
It's pretty funny but in the anime, they make it seem kusakabe is very weak since he just wants to avoid combat as much as possible by making excuses 😂
with a little help from oowee ooweeee
According to Kenjaku, a creation cannot surpass its creator, therefore Yaga should probably be stronger than Panda, even in Gorilla Mode
Kamo, Inumaki, Mechamru(robot, not Koichi himself), Iori and Maki are not grade 1 sorcerers
Maki is special grade and mechamaru in ultimate mechamaru is a very strong grade 1
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Maki is ungraded currently, and the CZcamsr is talking about pre-awakened Maki.
Not to mention, I LITERALLY said "Mechamaru, not Koichi, is Semi-Grade 1)
Yea yaga is special grade
Hakari:
You only watched the anime didn't you
.... huh?
Isn't utahime grade 2
Sorry man can’t watch no spoilers
imagine not being caught up to the manga and having to avoid every single spoiler for years to come 😂
Mechamaru is n1 tf.
Nanami > Mei Mei
character wise? sure
stats/fight wise? absolutely not
@@Depressed_until_dead Stat wise absolutely.
@@nosauceorbrothchild8772mei mei is a bad matchup for nanami. Nanami has zero counters to a swarm of crows going kamikaze on him which even just 1 of them landing would one shot him
@@farsous10All he has to do is strike the Crows with his own technique.
@@UnifiedEntity you know she can summon an army of crows right? He’s not fast enough to do that and plus the crows with bird strike has so much greater striking power than nanamis ct
power scalers are so disappointing
What 😭
Naobito > kusakabe since hes the strongest in the big 3 families which when being factored in gojo said would mean kusakabe no longer the strongest grade 1
No way, Gojo said that "maybe" it would change if the three families were factored in. Naobito might be faster than Kusakabe but all Kusakabe had to do is use simple domain once and he wins.
People are forgetting to factor on the fact that Kusakabe got way stronger after the time skip, yes he's fighting heavily suppress/weakened Sukuna, but either way, suppressed Sukuna is still stronger than any grade 1 by a massive margin and he's able to parry a bunch of dismantles
I believe naobito scales above kusakabe since when the narrator asked gojo who's the strongest grade 1 sorcerer he said kusakabe but the answer will change if the question is involving the sorcerers from other clans
That's before the battle of shinjuku
@@tigerriderminecraftjava5097 did you smoke something?
They asked gojo in the middle of the fight between kusakabe and sukuna
@Planetdestroyer.138 Geez, this is before nanami die, are you smoking something? Of course, they wouldn't know current kusakabe feats on the battle of shinjuku
@@tigerriderminecraftjava5097 nanami literally explained how kusakabe SD work and how he master it better than gojo
They know it's not like kusakabe was training in the last month
@@Planetdestroyer.138 🤦♂️
This isn’t really great tbh
Todo hard counters projection sorcerers with his technique. Kusakabe is strongest grade 1 not including sorcerers from 3 great clans. Naobito and Junichi are above him. Naoya may loose because he is too arrogant and doesn't have the same mastery over ct as his father.
I tried to ignore blatant matchup based dubs like that. I also think it’s plausible Naobito might be strong enough combined with his speed it wouldn’t matter so much. The 3 clans statement is pre timeskip, and pre Shibuya entirely. Kusakabe has likely gotten stronger since then shown through the feats. I’d say before Kusakabe versus Naobito is a good debate, I originally intended to put Naobito at 1, but Kusakabe’s new feats are more impressive
@@Professor_Fiction Kusakabe didn't become stronger, his defence became tougher. Naobito only needs one touch and Kusakabe becomes a frozen punching bag. Naobito's feat of being the fastest after Gojo is more impressive. Simple domain can be overwhelmed with speed: Yuji vs Miwa and Sukuna vs Kusakabe are examples.
I get Naobito. But Jinichi? What exactly makes you think Jinichi is anywhere close to Kusakabe?
@@nicolaszan1845 i don't see him blocking giant hands
@@user-hx8zv1to9w He was able to take Sukuna's slashes and has by far the best simple domain in the series. Why exactly would Big Hands™ do anything to him?
Maki wasn't even _scratched_ by those same hands. And she was immobile while Jinichi attacked her.
Ui Ui can only use his ability when mei mei allows him to via "would you die for me" - due to this i think shes easily the strongest grade 1
one of the worst list I've seen 😂
Imo naobito and naoya are above kusakabe
Gojo states kusakabe is the strongest besides the big 3 families,mei mei compares him to early shibuya yuji,and he blatantly admits massive inferiority to jogo twice and the disaster curses in general once.
His feats against sukuna are good,but sukuna is so weakened,and is pretty casual,the moment he takes it seriously,he completely ahhnilates kusakabe.To put into perspective how weakened sukuna is,his 4th black flash dealt less damage to choso than a casual jab in the beginning of the fight.
Naoya and naobito should be able to keep up with toji tier fighters as well.Naoya fights 1st awakened maki,who's stated physically equal to toji by narrator and herself,the only thing she gained in her 2nd awakening is her enhanced senses
And 1 armed naobito blatantly keeps up with toji against dagon,tag teaming him to make sure toji got the final hit in
Kusakabe got stronger
We don't know if his current black flashes are weaker than a jab when choso blocked the blackflash with blood but he didn't for the jab
1 armed naobito didn't keep up with toji, he just keeps up with toji polevaulting himself that's literally it. If that was the case then jogo is faster than toji lol when he blatantly isnt
@@godspeed6980 1)His growth is not amazing,not only is he a grown man,even yuta hasn't cliffed ishigori yet,and gege still had gojo say "Besides the big 3 families"
2)Sukuna without an expression on his face disappeared from chosos vision and jabbed him,choso could not react to block and coudnt do anything even while the fist was in his stomach.Also,I'm pretty sure choso uses red scale stack when in physical combat regardless
3)Reread the scene,dagon jumps up,and before toji can respond to attack,naobito jumps in from FAR away and blocks dagon,toji then reaches dagon,and before he stabs him,naobito jumps away like 4 feet back into the air
@@amogus1415
Sukuna specifically mentions that Choso blocked the black flash, whereas the casual jab he was visibly surprised and off guard. There’s not much to imply that Sukuna has gotten that much weaker, especially when he’s landing black flashes that should be increasing his strength. He’s also still able to body the heavy hitters just as well as he was at the start of the fight. Sukuna also specifically comments that all of the people fighting him have gotten stronger and have very good defenses.
@@RealMonzer 1)Off guard?Sukuna perception blitzed him in a middle of a head on fight,it was a casual jab and it did more damage than his black flash lol
2)Literally the entire point of this arc is weakening sukuna lol,damaging him and forcing him to burn CE to heal,Jacobs ladder,yujis punches,getting his heart destroyed,arms chopped off etc etc
3)No,he hit maki twice with a black flash and didn't vaporize her,he's having a much harder time now
4)True,but it's not enough to close the gap between kusakabe and naoya/naobito.Gege still had gojo say "except the 3 families" He still had yuta the younger prodigy not cliff ryu,he still has ino think he's a grade 2,mei mei and kusakabe think they're still grade 1 in strength
4)Also,them tightening their defenses and teamwork against sukuna won't be helpful in a 1v1 against other sorcerers lol
@@amogus1415
Perception blitzing someone and hitting them from behind is absolutely hitting them off guard. This is a big difference compared to hitting someone from the front while they are blocking. Also, take it from Sukuna himself. He does not think “I’m so much weaker now that my black flash sucks”, he thinks “Choso used his ability to block the attack”.
All of the nerfs you mentioned are unquantifiable and you seem to be forgetting that Sukuna is landing black flashes and recently got his domain expansion back. In a recent chapter Maki even says that his slashes are getting stronger.
Not vaporizing Maki is not relevant as he did not fight Maki at the time where you claim he should be stronger. However, he did fight Yuji at that point, and he’s fighting a much stronger Yuji right now than he was back then.
Yuta already beat Ryu, and Sukuna said his durability isn’t higher than Ryu, not that he’s weaker than him. Yuta’s performance vs Kenjaku was also much better than how he would’ve done in the previous arc by his own admission. Mei Mei isn’t part of the group fighting Sukuna. Ino was already strong enough to be semi grade 1 before the training. Kusakabe can be a grade 1 while also being above Naobito.
The fact that his defenses are high enough to survive these attacks from Sukuna absolutely matters in a 1v1, especially when Naobito is only vaguely above someone who got easily killed by a wounded Maki, who’s way weaker than the current Maki.