I love how Cormac brings his own great depth of knowledge to the conversation, and absolutely keeps pace with Werner on the subject of these ancient caves. Two men of bottomless curiosity. Such an inspiration.
Krause says a whole lot of nothing very quickly. Herzog and especially McCarthy took their time in making sure their thoughts were clear. Wish they were the only two being interviewed. Krause kept rudely interrupting them.
He was antithetical to McCarthy in my opinion. As a lover of _The Road_ and all of his works, Krauss' early comments about humanity dying out and saying it wasn't so bad really pissed me off. No. Read _The Road_ read your Dylan Thomas, you son of a bitch. Damned roll over coward. I was amazed at McCarthy's humble modesty and how he swiftly switched the topic from his writing, after Herzog brought me to tears reading my second favorite McCarthy passage, and instead focused on Krauss' book, graciously complimenting him on how good it was. Sure, fair enough, maybe it is good, but man, Krauss' soft, cowardly comment before pissed me off.
Herzog is absolutely right. In 40 or more years such beautiful literature hasn't graced the written page. Rest in peace, you legend. Cormac McCarthy was such a magnificent genius and I am utterly grateful to have read his works. I really wished we could have heard more on his process, on his philosophy on existentialism, and his thoughts on Nietzsche and any potential influence the Nietzschean notion of the ubermensch may have had on such characters as Judge Holden, Anton Chigurh, and on the bearded man from _The Outer Dark_ . However, it's clear, he absolutely hates talking about his work, his process, and how extraordinarily prodigal, rare, and beautiful his genius was. And I guess that's okay. I've a brain that works on occasion, and I'll figure things out on my own. Thanks for the video.
What this interview elucidates is that the reason Cormac McCarthy spoke not of his writing, is because it made him deeply uncomfortable. See how each time the conversation turns away from objective topics and towards his subjectivity (his writing), he immediately shifts the focus elsewhere: to Faulkner, to Krauss. I will not pathologize this, or say whether it is right or wrong or healthy or unhealthy, but rather say that it is simply different. To have a mind, a powerful, unique, curious mind, and to want to turn it towards the world, towards ideas and possibilities, rather than pure self-referentiality, is a gift. I know the comments cry out for more, lamenting the lack of McCarthy’s explanation of his work, whether process or content, but to me such thinking misses the forest for the trees. I came to Cormac McCarthy after his passing, because of his interview with David Krakauer. Such life! Such vitality! I did not need him to tell me how he writes or why, because he showed me in that one interview how to think, how to feel, how to SEE. He was led by curiosity first and foremost. All of the writing stemmed from that. These human traits are the bigger piece of the puzzle. The why of it all, the searching. It is far richer and far more beautiful to see his mind at work, rather than seeing it limited by speaking narrowly about his own work.
Nearly one year now since Cormac’s passing. Never know what you have until it’s gone. Great writer’s share a gift of honesty in observation, coupled with mastery of story telling. I am hopeful that time will treat him well and his stories will endure and gain greater appreciation.
Also, my most heartfelt and utmost respect for Cormac McCarthy, please RIP. Blessing us with his masterpieces of writing (Blood Meridian, No Country for Old Men, The Road, and hopefully The Passenger/Stella Maris dual-book is a cool experiment literarilly) . Still need to read the All the Pretty Horses series but i'm working on it)... RIP to Cormac McCarthy and much love and respect forever. Kxç,I'm very interested in his dual books released around his death (The Passenger and Stellas Maris). One of my favourite novelists of the 20th and 21st century and just a beautiful, humble, ever curious, and highly intelligent and deeply enigmatic man. I feel blessed that I was graced to live in the same time as him. We'll miss you Cormac.
I'm a simple man, I see Werner Herzog and Cormac McCarthy discussing William Faulkner, I click... though I think McCarthy has more in common with McCullers, O'Connor, and maybe Welty
Will we ever get a complete understanding of Cormac and his works? Ian, thank you for uncovering and exposing these loose puzzle pieces allowing us to form a picture, albeit incomplete, of not only Cormac but ultimately of all of us.
Yes, I believe we are pretty close to a complete understanding. If he hadn't left tens of thousands of pages of his notes/drafts to an archive we wouldn't. But, I think now that he is dead friends/family of his will also fill in a lot of the gaps.
@@WriteConscious People haven't even begun getting to some aspects of McCarthy. Kelly James' work on Blood meridian shows how far behind most people are.
This part is a gem shining bright; nothing Krauss (crass?) said before or after could ruin the insanely delicious moment of Werner Herzog reading a passage written by Cormac McCarthy. Yes, THAT happened. And here it is.
What a great interview and great combination of intellects. Werner Herzog is an amazing film director by the way. I recommend Aguirre The Wraith of God. About a Spanish conquistador.
@@AtombI'll jump in. Aguirre, the Wrath of God was the film that caused my interest in cinema. The opening scene set in the mountains is one of the great images, in my opinion. For a more recent film, the absurdity in Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans suited me wonderfully.
Yes! This is the way. That book gave me PTSD, but it's one of the best books I ever slogged through. Good Lord, it needs a cover warning, but it's fucking amazing.
The best part before I've even finished the first minute of this is saying a novelist, a filmmaker and a physicist, when Cormac McCarthy has been at the Santa Fe institute hanging out amongst top level scientists for decades. Even personally just starting his new book The Passenger he references leptons. I'd wager he's got a good grasp of a number of science fields, especially physics.
It's interesting Cormac seems to love Krauss though. He edited two of his books. But, that could have been because Cormac knew that it was for the good of science. For instance, one of those books he edited got Krauss on Joe Rogan (where he shared some awesome info for beginners but was intolerable again lol) but that episode I'm sure has been heard by millions now.
"Hate Speech" lmao.... Human reviewed too after a protest by me! But, they wouldn't tell me why it got removed because it would be a "security violation." They have removed at least five or six videos. That's why I started the course because I had all these videos I couldn't post lol.
@@WriteConscious Herzog gives the German title for Joseph Conrad's _Heart of Darkness_ . Look up the German word for "dark" or "black" and you can hear him say it. Ridiculous. This is what we are fighting, the seeping, creeping, obliterating idiocy of rampant Liberalism, unhinged and uprooted from its original, beautiful source and hijacked by ideologues using feeble AI to root out "racism". It's insane. Don't they read their Stan Lee? Don't they know that with great power comes great responsibility? God damned Philistines.
Man, wish Lex Friedman could have gotten an interview with McCarthy, I feel the lack of interruptions and a long 3 or 4 hour run time would have been really wonderful.
Regarding the quote of Picasso that we have learned nothing (after viewing the cave paintings) I read the following passage and it seemed apropos. From An Episode In The Life Of A Landscape Painter by Cesar Aira "hypothetically, that, were all the storytellers to fall silent, nothing would be lost, since the present generation, or those of the future, could experience the events of the past without needing to be told about them, simply by recombining or yielding to the available facts, although, in either case, such an action could only be born of a deliberate resolution. And it was even possible that the repetition would be more authentic in the absence of stories. The purpose of storytelling could be better fulfilled by handing down, instead, a set of "tools", which would enable mankind to reinvent what had happened in the past, with the innocent spontaneity of action. Humanity's finest accomplishments, everything that deserved to happen again. And the tools would be stylistic. According to this theory, then, art was more useful than discourse."
what a cool conversation but I hate this old school garbage of stopping conversations for commercial's Guess I'm too used to 3 hour uncut podcasts all over the internet
My epilogue for Cormack Under your personal ceiling tomorrow, when you awake. Under your personal sky tomorrow, when you step out, you then make a choice. To proceed under the untempered, raw world of wilderness and all possibilities. When we awake, and look at the sky tomorrow, every possibility historical or fiction could happen. The same space of our present pessimism could be the backdrop of the extraordinary. God, Satan all possible in the creation and imagination. Or a higher structure of adaptation that allows emotion and sentient consciousness in harmony. Where will you row when you are placed on that remote lake?
But the road is not a pessimistic book. Of course, nuclear war is not a pretty thing, but the story is really about the love a boy and a man have for each other
This is great, its just very unfortunate Ira Glass sounded often like an anxious man looking at his watch. When you have three great minds like this together, why on earth would you not let the conversation unfold naturally and freely, instead of frantically interrupting it at times, and then editing it for time later on?
I love how Cormac brings his own great depth of knowledge to the conversation, and absolutely keeps pace with Werner on the subject of these ancient caves. Two men of bottomless curiosity. Such an inspiration.
Yes!
Krause, as usual is a total vibe killer.
Imagine if Lawrence Krauss decided to never speak on anything again. The world would be a little better, I think.
A lot better.
Krause says a whole lot of nothing very quickly. Herzog and especially McCarthy took their time in making sure their thoughts were clear. Wish they were the only two being interviewed. Krause kept rudely interrupting them.
Lmao. He was too busy planning events at Epstein's island in his head to focus on the moment.
He was antithetical to McCarthy in my opinion. As a lover of _The Road_ and all of his works, Krauss' early comments about humanity dying out and saying it wasn't so bad really pissed me off. No. Read _The Road_ read your Dylan Thomas, you son of a bitch. Damned roll over coward.
I was amazed at McCarthy's humble modesty and how he swiftly switched the topic from his writing, after Herzog brought me to tears reading my second favorite McCarthy passage, and instead focused on Krauss' book, graciously complimenting him on how good it was. Sure, fair enough, maybe it is good, but man, Krauss' soft, cowardly comment before pissed me off.
he's so annoying. he only partially redeems himself in the last few minutes
Herzog is absolutely right. In 40 or more years such beautiful literature hasn't graced the written page.
Rest in peace, you legend.
Cormac McCarthy was such a magnificent genius and I am utterly grateful to have read his works.
I really wished we could have heard more on his process, on his philosophy on existentialism, and his thoughts on Nietzsche and any potential influence the Nietzschean notion of the ubermensch may have had on such characters as Judge Holden, Anton Chigurh, and on the bearded man from _The Outer Dark_ .
However, it's clear, he absolutely hates talking about his work, his process, and how extraordinarily prodigal, rare, and beautiful his genius was. And I guess that's okay. I've a brain that works on occasion, and I'll figure things out on my own.
Thanks for the video.
RIP
Hi Vernon nice to see you
Lot of love
Suneeha
This is amazing. Thank you for doing this!
What this interview elucidates is that the reason Cormac McCarthy spoke not of his writing, is because it made him deeply uncomfortable. See how each time the conversation turns away from objective topics and towards his subjectivity (his writing), he immediately shifts the focus elsewhere: to Faulkner, to Krauss.
I will not pathologize this, or say whether it is right or wrong or healthy or unhealthy, but rather say that it is simply different. To have a mind, a powerful, unique, curious mind, and to want to turn it towards the world, towards ideas and possibilities, rather than pure self-referentiality, is a gift.
I know the comments cry out for more, lamenting the lack of McCarthy’s explanation of his work, whether process or content, but to me such thinking misses the forest for the trees. I came to Cormac McCarthy after his passing, because of his interview with David Krakauer. Such life! Such vitality! I did not need him to tell me how he writes or why, because he showed me in that one interview how to think, how to feel, how to SEE. He was led by curiosity first and foremost. All of the writing stemmed from that.
These human traits are the bigger piece of the puzzle. The why of it all, the searching. It is far richer and far more beautiful to see his mind at work, rather than seeing it limited by speaking narrowly about his own work.
Nearly one year now since Cormac’s passing. Never know what you have until it’s gone. Great writer’s share a gift of honesty in observation, coupled with mastery of story telling. I am hopeful that time will treat him well and his stories will endure and gain greater appreciation.
Also, my most heartfelt and utmost respect for Cormac McCarthy, please RIP. Blessing us with his masterpieces of writing (Blood Meridian, No Country for Old Men, The Road, and hopefully The Passenger/Stella Maris dual-book is a cool experiment literarilly) . Still need to read the All the Pretty Horses series but i'm working on it)... RIP to Cormac McCarthy and much love and respect forever.
Kxç,I'm very interested in his dual books released around his death (The Passenger and Stellas Maris). One of my favourite novelists of the 20th and 21st century and just a beautiful, humble, ever curious, and highly intelligent and deeply enigmatic man. I feel blessed that I was graced to live in the same time as him. We'll miss you Cormac.
This channel is not only entertaining
It is important
Thank you! Let's go!!
I'm a simple man, I see Werner Herzog and Cormac McCarthy discussing William Faulkner, I click... though I think McCarthy has more in common with McCullers, O'Connor, and maybe Welty
Will we ever get a complete understanding of Cormac and his works?
Ian, thank you for uncovering and exposing these loose puzzle pieces allowing us to form a picture, albeit incomplete, of not only Cormac but ultimately of all of us.
Yes, I believe we are pretty close to a complete understanding. If he hadn't left tens of thousands of pages of his notes/drafts to an archive we wouldn't. But, I think now that he is dead friends/family of his will also fill in a lot of the gaps.
@@WriteConscious People haven't even begun getting to some aspects of McCarthy. Kelly James' work on Blood meridian shows how far behind most people are.
39:30 Herzog reads from McCarthy’s “All the Pretty Horses”
and Cormack immediately segues to Lawrence's writing :)
This part is a gem shining bright; nothing Krauss (crass?) said before or after could ruin the insanely delicious moment of Werner Herzog reading a passage written by Cormac McCarthy. Yes, THAT happened. And here it is.
What a great interview and great combination of intellects. Werner Herzog is an amazing film director by the way. I recommend Aguirre The Wraith of God. About a Spanish conquistador.
Great movie!
Also great Herzog films: The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser, Fata Morgana, Heart of Glass, Stroszek, too many to list really...
Thank you, excellent and you are so appreciated, I admire your McCarthy travels and dedication.
Thanks!
I am happier knowing I will never wind up on an interstellar journey with Herzog, his vision is quite something!
My two favorite creative minds... together?!?!?! Unreal and wonderful!
Yes!
If you don't mind me asking, I've only seen Grizzly Man and one about ski jumping (which was great). What are your favourite Herzog movies?
@@AtombI'll jump in. Aguirre, the Wrath of God was the film that caused my interest in cinema. The opening scene set in the mountains is one of the great images, in my opinion. For a more recent film, the absurdity in Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans suited me wonderfully.
@@caseyclausen2627 Thank you sir. I'll put it on my list.
I'm almost done with "Blood Meridian" is there a support group, or a therapy program available for me?
This channel!
Yes! This is the way. That book gave me PTSD, but it's one of the best books I ever slogged through. Good Lord, it needs a cover warning, but it's fucking amazing.
yes…. you read the rest if mCCarthy’s work and then you read Blood Meridian again. Best therapy I ever got
Oh my God I remember this interview. They must’ve broadcast this a long time ago, because I quit listening to NPR years ago
Me too
its still very good. Should start listening again. Radio lab is pretty great!
2009 maybe
Blood Meridian is The Great American Novel. RIP. His passing is a true loss.
😂 No it is definitely not
we need something similar where david lynch and werner herzog interview each other :)
Yes!
The best part before I've even finished the first minute of this is saying a novelist, a filmmaker and a physicist, when Cormac McCarthy has been at the Santa Fe institute hanging out amongst top level scientists for decades. Even personally just starting his new book The Passenger he references leptons. I'd wager he's got a good grasp of a number of science fields, especially physics.
I was reading The Passenger and Stella Maris when Oppenheimer film was released. I was hoping deep down Nolan & Murphy would read McCarthy…. 🤷♂️
Thank ya good sir.
Thank you!
I'm glad radio is over. Every time the freaking broadcaster interrupting the trio. Fuck that.
Exactly, Cormac had that 1.25 hour interview, but nothing longer than that. He would do great on a free form podcast with a Joe Rogan type figure.
Precisely what I was thinking. Too late, Cormac is dead. Lawrence/Herzog could make it, though. Didn't happen so far :P@@WriteConscious
But I'm aware Lawrence did interview Herzog on his podcast. It was good.
Hey, man. Do you have any plans to make a video on The Pale King?
Of course!! More like 100+ videos.
@@WriteConscious Fantastic! Thank you so much.
Great stuff, but oh, God, not this guy Krauss again.
My reaction, too... "Two out of three ain't bad..."
Sadly he speaks the most, and what he says is so banal that Cormac and Werner can’t even engage with it
He flew back on the Lolita express from Epstein's island just to do this interview!
@@WriteConsciousKrause tries so hard and can’t do what seems almost effortless to Werner and Cormac
It's interesting Cormac seems to love Krauss though. He edited two of his books. But, that could have been because Cormac knew that it was for the good of science. For instance, one of those books he edited got Krauss on Joe Rogan (where he shared some awesome info for beginners but was intolerable again lol) but that episode I'm sure has been heard by millions now.
What is the quote regarding being a pessimist but no reason to be miserable about it?
35:10 they start talking about Faulkner
Man, that Ira Flatow is just rancourous!
lol
The link for the tshirts doesn't work. Got one that does?
A shame we have to suffer Krauss and the host to get to Herzog and McCarthy.
All growth connected to suffering lol
you are in error to not appreciate Lawrence Krauss
also ira Flatow !!
Do you feel there is any analog in how Cormac McCarthy and Werner Herzog write? Such as Werner Herzog's "Twilight World?"
Haven't read it yet!
Wow. This is akin to having Einstein, Oppenheimer and Niels Bohr in the same room and discussing Freud.
lmao
The desert he rode was red and red the dust he raised, the small dust that powdered the legs of the horse he rode, the horse he led. 🐎🐎🐎
Yes
Why was this taken down in the first place?
"Hate Speech" lmao.... Human reviewed too after a protest by me! But, they wouldn't tell me why it got removed because it would be a "security violation." They have removed at least five or six videos. That's why I started the course because I had all these videos I couldn't post lol.
@@WriteConsciouscrazy
@@WriteConsciousI was hoping they’d say what they thought was “hate speech”. That’s such nonsense.
@@WriteConscious Herzog gives the German title for Joseph Conrad's _Heart of Darkness_ . Look up the German word for "dark" or "black" and you can hear him say it. Ridiculous. This is what we are fighting, the seeping, creeping, obliterating idiocy of rampant Liberalism, unhinged and uprooted from its original, beautiful source and hijacked by ideologues using feeble AI to root out "racism". It's insane. Don't they read their Stan Lee? Don't they know that with great power comes great responsibility? God damned Philistines.
Man, wish Lex Friedman could have gotten an interview with McCarthy, I feel the lack of interruptions and a long 3 or 4 hour run time would have been really wonderful.
*_powerhouse!!_* 💪
Ayeee!
Regarding the quote of Picasso that we have learned nothing (after viewing the cave paintings) I read the following passage and it seemed apropos. From An Episode In The Life Of A Landscape Painter by Cesar Aira "hypothetically, that, were all the storytellers to fall silent, nothing would be lost, since the present generation, or those of the future, could experience the events of the past without needing to be told about them, simply by recombining or yielding to the available facts, although, in either case, such an action could only be born of a deliberate resolution. And it was even possible that the repetition would be more authentic in the absence of stories. The purpose of storytelling could be better fulfilled by handing down, instead, a set of "tools", which would enable mankind to reinvent what had happened in the past, with the innocent spontaneity of action. Humanity's finest accomplishments, everything that deserved to happen again. And the tools would be stylistic. According to this theory, then, art was more useful than discourse."
Thanks for this quote!
I would really like to hear this interview performed by Terry Gross.
what a cool conversation but I hate this old school garbage of stopping conversations for commercial's Guess I'm too used to 3 hour uncut podcasts all over the internet
it’s like a perfect triangle
lol
One of the most mysterious set of eyes
This was a wonderful discussion, though I wish the moderator made fewer interventions.
Start Cormac, bench Werner, cut Krauss.
Lawrence Krauss? Good grief. Just have Herzog and McCarthy talk to each other.
There can be no growth without suffering
@@WriteConscious 😂😂😂
finding this after the epstein list unfortunately
“ you Americans …you talk and talk and talk and you say nothing.” The grim reaper from the Meaning of Life.
My epilogue for Cormack
Under your personal ceiling tomorrow, when you awake.
Under your personal sky tomorrow, when you step out, you then make a choice.
To proceed under the untempered, raw world of wilderness and all possibilities.
When we awake, and look at the sky tomorrow, every possibility historical or fiction could happen. The same space of our present pessimism could be the backdrop of the extraordinary.
God, Satan all possible in the creation and imagination.
Or a higher structure of adaptation that allows emotion and sentient consciousness in harmony.
Where will you row when you are placed on that remote lake?
Thanks!
But the road is not a pessimistic book. Of course, nuclear war is not a pretty thing, but the story is really about the love a boy and a man have for each other
Sound like epstein. "A boy and his father.."
man these guys are a bunch of haters! so much hate! this aggression will not stand, man....
Lawrence Krauss really tied the room together 🤣
Did they call him “Ira”? Haha
Krauss is repellent.
lol, yup and took Epstein money
Krauss again
Always
Krause is such a tool
Suttree🚁🛸🛹🫛
Yes
Is this Mary's husband?
Two prople too many on this panel😊
I’m sorry but this Kraus guy is insufferable. He has almost nothing interesting to say.
sickening propaganda.
lol
morbid curio makes me ask: sickening propaganda for what? and by whom?
About what? Fuckin cave paintings?
You should only use words you at least have a vague grasp on the meanings of....
This is great, its just very unfortunate Ira Glass sounded often like an anxious man looking at his watch. When you have three great minds like this together, why on earth would you not let the conversation unfold naturally and freely, instead of frantically interrupting it at times, and then editing it for time later on?
This is why radio is dead
The science/art connection is a stretch and usually scientists wishing they could be cooler than they are