And this REX was rusted, no rail gun, no radome and his head was fucked up by Greyfox... Jesus christ, if Liquid knew that Hal added in secret programs in REX, Liquid would rule the world.
@@Unaliq what about if otacon integrated arms with some canon launchers my GOD whit a little more time rex could have been the dangerous machine in the whole world
@@kairoward7738 It WAS the most dangerous machine in the world. Even in the state it was in it proved it was superior to the machines designed to hunt and destroy it, even after massive battle damage and a decade of neglect. The RAY program was designed to defeat the knock-offs around the world, not the purpose built, military super prototype. Had REX been fully functional, this wouldn't have even been a close fight. Otacon said it best in MSG1. "This thing could mean the end of the world!"
I think Ray wasn't designed to fight one on one. It was mass-produced which probably means that it's not as good as any other Metal Gear but since you could just gang enemy Metal Gears you were at an advantage.
Though really, Ray was actually built to be a tin can for Raiden to knock over as a part of the S3 plan. So if you think about it, Rex trashing Ray so easily actually kinda makes sense. It's probably why the Patriots didn't seem to care about Ocelot having Ray
REX was designed by a genuis who was also a big fan of Mecha Anime and Manga. RAY was designed by average government scientists. It's only strength was mass-production, and it's Hydraulic Cutter. Rex was stronger, had more armor, higher caliber ammo, and various weapons systems. It's frame also made it possible to kick and jump, Ray was only able to jump and stop, it's legs were only built for movement, not combat. :D lesson here: Do NOT fuck with Mecha fans
Rex is actually a vastly superior mech solely because of what Otacon explained: it's shell is immensely thick; using it's shell as a weapon is ingenious. The hydraulics that would be required to hold that thing up would be able to pump out absurd PSI.
Flipping over a tank with a single kick would save REX quite a fair bit of ammunition y'know. It's designed to be a defense system (At least, that's what Otacon intended it to be) but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be intercepted by enemy units - that's something which was emphasized in both MGS1 and Peace Walker.
in comparison rex is more focused on self defense and great nuclear capabilities(stealth nukes), meanwhile Sahelanthropus is focused way more on the offensive whit regular nuclear capabilities(Intercontinental ballistic missile + Uranium-enrichment archaea self destruct) rex had only 3 weapons outside of the rail gun, guided rockets, the 2 machine guns and the laser Sahelanthropus had 2 gatling guns, 6 guided missile launchers, 4 surveillance mine launchers, 2 metallic archaea nano-fiber blades, a Flamethrower and a railgun, way way way more offensive than rex
Sahelanthropus has NOT the same armor as Rex which can only be damaged by anti-tank rounds. Also Rex weaponry is bigger than any metal gear ever created. As Huey or someone in MGSV said, Salehantropus is not tough enough to take armies by itself so they turned it into a bomb should it ever fail at its mission. Rex was designed to be THE ULTIMATE metal gear. It's railgun carried an invisible nuke for fucks sakes. None of the salehantropus weapons could ever pierce Rex...as the Sahi doesn't have anti tank rounds. At least Ray does and it has that high pressure water gun which can cut through almost anything. The best Match Rex had was Ray and Ray is the most advanced metalgear cannonically
Only during my most recent playthrough of MGS3, where Snake/The Boss describe CQC as a way to quickly switch between a gun battle and a knife battle, does the bigger meaning behind this codec become clear. He essentially added CQC capabilites to Rex!
@@D3nz3lCr0ck3r And an absurdly scary thing. REX's armor is super thick but to have it be used as a weapon with its insane speed boost, just imagine how easer Gray Fox would've been crused back then if these were known.
Akihabara Senkan HAHAHA yeah i remember . That is the one and only move that kills Snake in one hit even with life meter full. That was something. If Liquid knew about the martial arts thing i wonder if even Gray Fox managed to open Rex' mouth to make Liquid vulnerable.
+Firemarioflower No kidding. Even someone like Gray Fox would have extremely hard time trying to destroy the radome(effectively blinding REX and force Liquid to open the cockpit) if the program is installed.
@@GuardianOfTheHeaven sounds like the craziest story ever. Cyborb ninja with a vibro katana and an arm cannon vs a nuke launching mech that knows kung fu
Rex was literally the MAC DADDY of metal gears. Hal was the creator is Rex. It was special even Hal said they “Rex’s armor was perfect you can’t destroy it” the only reason snake and gray fox were able to pull it off was because Hal purposely gave it a “character flaw” beaten up Rex with Hal helping you out vs Perfect Ray was as balanced as it could be. Rex in its prime would have demolished Ray.
Ray: Designed for heavy mobility and efficiency in groups, super agile. Lacks heavy armour, can use it's hands as a heavy mace. Rex: Designed as a *Nuke trebuchet* and a very efficient solo op weapon against technology wise advanced threats, can wipe the floor with Ray. As agile as Ray due to basically... Overclocking. Has heavy armour. Just yeets it's entire body. Can perform CQC thanks to street fighter code placed in Rex's data. All that while withering from decades of no maintenance and barely holding on thanks to Otacon. And then you wonder why Ray lost
I think it's actually quite logical, In case that the secrets to it's creation is stolen, other people WILL most likely create one to counter this one, this "Street Fighter"-System is like a Hidden Ace up the sleeve.
@Chariflame He said in MGS 1 that is was a mobile TMD, which stands for theatre missile defense, I think the rail gun was meant for shooting down nukes, not shooting nukes themselves, he did say the armament was handled by a different department though... but I guess they went ahead and made provisions for close combat on Rex itself before it was armed with the additional weapon systems..? That's just my guess.
I suppose being versatile, and being able to cover for your weaknesses is pointless. I suppose it's pointless to put a bayonet on the barrel of a gun. I suppose it's pointless to teach a sniper CQC because he is far off in the field. When you start ignoring unknown possibilities is when you end up having problems, especially if situations like what "DeathtoRaiden1" illustrated were to happen. There's nothing absurd about adding close quarters capabilities to rex. It only makes sense to be safe.
"I've installed an emulator of REX's main CPU and DSP on Gaudi..." stop right there, Otacon; you mean to tell me you put DarkSydePhil on Gaudi? You realize you doomed us with his runs of MGS! (Joking aside, I know DSP is something like Digital Signal Processing or something, but I couldn't resist making the joke :p )
+Thatguywhoplaysguitarandsingsonthatcornerdowntown What the fuck, dood! I'm pressing buttons and none of my machine gun or laser beams are coming out! So much lag! Ocelot's using shitty online tactics.
Correction, RAY was designed as a counter measure to COUNTERFEIT Metal Gears all over the globe. Rex was forgotten and abandoned. It's by FAR the most powerful Metal Gear ever developed. It's armor is in its designers' words, perfect. The thing is practically unscathed since SM, all Snake did was destroy the original cockpit interface, which the Mark III replaces here.
if rex didnt have the fighting program it woulve lost. funny how otacon made the original REX capitalize on RAY's main flaws (shit armor and next to no close combat capability, at least the original RAY prototype) before RAY was even a thing. because he tought a fighting robot would be dope.
The first one, Otacon basically cheatyfaces by using a remote VM to double the calculations REX's computer can do to let it move faster and balance better.
RAY's armor is pathetic though. In MGS2 RAY's armor falls apart easily, because it sacrifices it's armor for the sake of maneuverability. Admittedly, RAY could outpace a REX movement-wise. But when it comes to REX, it's armor is extremely durable. Bear in mind that the REX is over a decade old, and on top of that, it had it's entire system nuked by missiles during the shadow moses incident, AND it was in a hanger that caved in from bomb runs. RAY goes down from about 6 well placed missiles.
Keep in mind the rays in mgs2 were mass produced ai controlled versions meant to protect arsenal while ocelots ray is the one from the tanker fully powered
If you think about it, i guess RAY only outmatches REX due to how mobile the former is compared to the latter. Apart from that, it's hard to imagine how RAY would be an anti-REX Metal Gear. Ps: I didn't play MGS4, so i probably missed something while writing this.
The water cutter is an execution weapon, RAY would ambush its prey dodge REX’ slow attacks, then execute it with the cutter, REX suddenly being faster and more responsive screws that up
Otacon: Let's make it into a street fighter Snake: Street fighter is dead now since super street fighter 4 came out let's make it into a mortal kombatant! Otacon: I'm gonna need iceballs, spears,fire balls,four arms,and a green ball Snake: i have the balls just not the spear and arms.
wow. why are so many comments in here actually trying to sort out the facts and logistics and reality of the in game task? Everyone does realise that this was in game for nostalgia feels right? It doesn't matter that REX was laying rusted for 10 years, it doesn't matter that RAY was designed as a REX countermeasure, it doesn't matter who the pilot was, or what emulations Otacon supposedly put here. It doesn't even matter that software isn't going to make a 50 ton rust bucket of a mech "more agile" The point is the whole of Act 4 is a call back to MGS1. And there's no way Kojima was letting the player leave that Act without at least seeing REX. But to pilot the machine you destroyed? To have a walk around in it, fire its guns? hell yeah. To kick liquids ass with it, and to kick RAYs ass with it? hell yeah. Facts and figures don't matter, logic doesn't suffice. This is just an awesome part of a game driven by memories of previous encounters that just gives the player a good feeling
I always kind of figured it was also meant to parallel the fight between liquid and snake at the end of MGS1, since liquid was the one with the superior genes and snake the inferior ones. You have the inferior REX fighting the superior RAY
lobo-loco812 that's not how genes work, superior and inferior in genes is just a trait that is recessive compared with the superior trait. That doesn't determine quality of the beings at all
The fight ignores how the munitions in REX didn't go bad over the course of like a decade of just sitting there unmaintained. Also ignores how liquid would have likely used a significant amount of said munitions during the boss battle in MGS1.
You definitely have to stay on your toes on the boss extreme. Ray nearly snuck up behind me but I managed to CQC it in the split second and finish him off.
in MGS1 he thought it would be used to shoot ICBMs out the sky with its Rail-Gun and thought it would be used for defense. He knew that the laser, missles, and gun pods were part of REX for medium-long range DEFENSE and thought that in case the enemy got in close with armored vehicles it wouldnt be ready so he installed the Street Fighter program! Hope this clears it up even though its an old comment :D
@Chariflame He knew it was a weapon, just not a nuclear weapon. From what he'd been told, it was just a bipedal tank. Meant to bring the tactical advantage of the tank onto battlefields that tank treads can't handle It's just the fact that the entire reason for having this ultra-agile tank was to be a portable stealth-nuke launching platform that he didn't know. So having extra combat algorithms actually makes more sense with his level of knowledge about it's combat application.
Remember back in the days we have to record gameplay with either the hdpvr or dazzle system with the lap top hooked up with 20 wires connecting back to back.
@Chariflame its a counter in case u get too close to it remember when fighting rex in MGS 1 if u got to close to it it was harder for liquid to attack you unless he stomped on you If an infantry man was able to wreck havok on Rex using this trick imagine a heavy vehicle attacking rex at that distance. Otacon and the other developers noticed this and though hmmmm ok Rex can shot down Missles what happens if Rex has to be used in a combat situation.. and so they added the program
@NyteMyre2 haha that was pretty funny. but it was actually a smart idea if you think about it. rex was going to be mass produced which means someone would get their hands on it and try to develoup their own hence so rex could fight it off if it were to close for the railgun or other weapons on rex to fire at said knock off metal gear.
He thought Rex was a mobile Theater Missile Defense, used to shoot down nukes. A weapon of defense, most likely in foreign terrain, needs armament to hold it's own.
Justgamer64 "Dood, this laser doesn't work, WTF is wrong with it, the controls suck ass (insert annoying laugh here), my controller is broken!" *Later* "WHAT? I GOT HIT, ACK ACK ACK, WTF THIS GAME IS BUGGED, MAN, FUCK THIS, FUCK THIS STUPID FUCKING GAME, AND FUCK KOJIMA TOO!"
I do believe metal gear rex is the most powerful metal gear in the series. Zeke is a good one too, as it has a rapid firing rail gun. Actually, isn't metal gear zeke the only one with a rapid firing rail gun?
It's not the most powerful it's the most practical for real war. That's why it's the best because it works in all conditions. It's literally the perfection of metal gear.
Otacon is such a Geek. Love him for it though. I still think Ocelot was subconsciously piloting Ray at less optimal conditions, tbh. But that's just me.
This battle was truly something epic and intense. I've always wanted to use one of the Metal Gears in battle instead of wrecking one for the umpteenth time. And I'm not even a mecha fan.
ray is meant for "hit and run" operations, while the enemy metal gear knock offs are docked in their motor-pool ray jumps out of nowhere and destroys them while they are vulnerable with no pilots.
@Chariflame Dude, of course they knew it was a weapon- they designed it! This includes the weaponry on-board (the Vulcan cannons, HEAT missiles, FE laser, and railgun) I mean, they were a weapon design company. The only thing that he didn't know was that the railgun would fire nuclear shells.
@Chariflame He thought he was designing an enhanced walking tank with TMD missile defense capabilities. He always knew it was armed. He didn't know its purpose was as a WMD.
Did you miss the part where he tells you it had multiple SELF DEFENSE SYSTEMS. You know, things to help it defend itself from the people launching the nukes it was to intercept? In MGS1 he knows what other weapons were to be installed in REX. He was designing a war machine, but it was to be a counter to WMDs and not a WMD itself.
otacon built Rex like a unit, What otacon upgrades code does is it gives rex more faster response time and better sonar performance so basically more wide range to see farther, so otacon is pushing rex to the limit of its performance
Theres one flaw in your logic. The StreetFighter program wasn't supposed to be hidden feature, it was never officially installed because it was "shelved before we could make our pitch". If it did got accepted, and the building plans would get stolen, then so would the streetfighter program.
The conversation takes a complete wrong turn for the worst if you transcribe the audio... Apparently Otacon's name is Rebecca and at the end of the video he wants snake to get close to him...
Metal Gear MK 2 and 3 has some strange nanipulator. It fits to Rex, electronic doors, that electronic floor thing that Snake destroyed in mgs1 with nikita, elevator in Rex's hangar. Does anybody agree with me?
He didn't know it was supposed to be a nuclear-weapon. Only that it was equiped with some weapons but not nuclear. He talks about it in the computer room where you fight the ninja he also said that rex could be able to launch a nuke from the railgun.
I hate to reply to really old comments..but MGS1 was the first to talk about using CQC (back then it was called CQB) MGS3 was the first to fully use it though, you are right on that respect
When Huey did things behind people's back, people died. When Hal does things behind people's back, giant robots get CQC'd in the face.
More like he got LAZORED.
@No Bias ikr
I'm sorry, i'm kinda new on metal gear, who is Huey?
@@gabrielcarmona1038 Otacon's father, a major side character in Peacewalker and Phantom Pain
@@Maganac1 ooh i get it now, thanks man :)
"Which should make REX as fast and agile as RAY."
That is a very, very scary thing.
Rex: *malicious intent sounds*
@@federalcasemaker "loads Nukes with malicious intent"
And this REX was rusted, no rail gun, no radome and his head was fucked up by Greyfox...
Jesus christ, if Liquid knew that Hal added in secret programs in REX, Liquid would rule the world.
@@Unaliq what about if otacon integrated arms with some canon launchers my GOD whit a little more time rex could have been the dangerous machine in the whole world
@@kairoward7738 It WAS the most dangerous machine in the world. Even in the state it was in it proved it was superior to the machines designed to hunt and destroy it, even after massive battle damage and a decade of neglect.
The RAY program was designed to defeat the knock-offs around the world, not the purpose built, military super prototype. Had REX been fully functional, this wouldn't have even been a close fight. Otacon said it best in MSG1. "This thing could mean the end of the world!"
I just love how the Metal Gear series takes itself so seriously yet is incredibly silly at the same time. God bless you, Kojima.
Apparently it's based off of a real war. Wich means yes, I'm really otacon.
Hal Emmerich Otacon, i want to Save my Data...
***** ok!
*saves data*
So have you heard this one?
*says Chinese proverb*
Hal Emmerich Great... #Codec #Ends
*calls* AHHH!! WATCH OUT!! SEMTEX!!
Facts. ray was in pristine combat condition. Rex was rusted, crippled. no radome no rail gun and had massive head damage. and Rex decimated ray. fact.
And Ray was specifically designed to counter Rex knock-offs....
Knock offs, yes, but it didn't know what it was fucking with when it encountered the real deal.
I think Ray wasn't designed to fight one on one. It was mass-produced which probably means that it's not as good as any other Metal Gear but since you could just gang enemy Metal Gears you were at an advantage.
Though really, Ray was actually built to be a tin can for Raiden to knock over as a part of the S3 plan. So if you think about it, Rex trashing Ray so easily actually kinda makes sense. It's probably why the Patriots didn't seem to care about Ocelot having Ray
Ray had a retarded pilot.
REX was designed by a genuis who was also a big fan of Mecha Anime and Manga. RAY was designed by average government scientists. It's only strength was mass-production, and it's Hydraulic Cutter. Rex was stronger, had more armor, higher caliber ammo, and various weapons systems. It's frame also made it possible to kick and jump, Ray was only able to jump and stop, it's legs were only built for movement, not combat. :D lesson here: Do NOT fuck with Mecha fans
4 years late but CAN CONFIRM AS TRUTH
Overall, Anime fanboys can create better fighting robots and military equipment than your average boring scientists.
Why did you leave me for Chad, Veronica? Mecha fans rise up!
The Chad Weeb Rex vs The Virgin COD Ray
Affirm on that, cap.
Rex is actually a vastly superior mech solely because of what Otacon explained: it's shell is immensely thick; using it's shell as a weapon is ingenious. The hydraulics that would be required to hold that thing up would be able to pump out absurd PSI.
Imagine, a frontal kick from that dang REX.
Hell, a jumping kick!!
The power requirements to power Rex would be immense.
@@argent-kestrel90 if liquid had access to rex's extended abilities back then, snake would be dead & gray fox would be killed quicker!
@@argent-kestrel90 I think that bit is where we're meant to suspend our disbelief and just roll with it. :P
There are reasons why it's the ULTIMATE MG
Otacon: Get close to RAY and use the Action Button
*Press Action Button*
REX: SHORYUKEN!!!
"Now Snake! Hit the action button!"
Rex: "HAADOUUKEN!!"
Ray: "What!?"
Its just like one of his Japanese animes
"why not make it into a street fighter?" -otacon
Otacon: (talking about how he made REX better)
Snake: ehhh....well...i have no idea what that means, but it sounds good to me. XD
He wanted it to be like a Gundam. That was his actual idea at the time - a back yard anime project. And it rocked.
How thoughtful of Liquid to just wait for Otacon and Snake to finish their conversation when he could've just kicked their asses while they conversed.
Javelin it's called manners you don't interrupt a conversation that's part of the soldiers code of ethics
talking is a free action
Ocelot.*
LordRambo ah, a fellow troper
I like to think he’s too busy monologuing to notice.
Ray: You have no chance. I am far more advanced than you old bucket.
Rex: I remember the basics of CQC.
Ray: ...fuck.
Flipping over a tank with a single kick would save REX quite a fair bit of ammunition y'know.
It's designed to be a defense system (At least, that's what Otacon intended it to be) but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be intercepted by enemy units - that's something which was emphasized in both MGS1 and Peace Walker.
Poor Otacon. All he ever wanted to do was build Gundams lol
Who wouldn't?
Otacon is such a better person then his pops lol
REX, the true pinnacle of Metal Gears.
WaywardRobot
I think that Sahelanthropus is the pinnacle of Metal Gears XD
Sahelanthropus couldn't dent Rex. Rex would de_molish Sehalanthropus on this note alone.
in comparison rex is more focused on self defense and great nuclear capabilities(stealth nukes), meanwhile Sahelanthropus is focused way more on the offensive whit regular nuclear capabilities(Intercontinental ballistic missile + Uranium-enrichment archaea self destruct)
rex had only 3 weapons outside of the rail gun, guided rockets, the 2 machine guns and the laser
Sahelanthropus had 2 gatling guns, 6 guided missile launchers, 4 surveillance mine launchers, 2 metallic archaea nano-fiber blades, a Flamethrower and a railgun, way way way more offensive than rex
Sahelanthropus has NOT the same armor as Rex which can only be damaged by anti-tank rounds. Also Rex weaponry is bigger than any metal gear ever created. As Huey or someone in MGSV said, Salehantropus is not tough enough to take armies by itself so they turned it into a bomb should it ever fail at its mission.
Rex was designed to be THE ULTIMATE metal gear. It's railgun carried an invisible nuke for fucks sakes. None of the salehantropus weapons could ever pierce Rex...as the Sahi doesn't have anti tank rounds.
At least Ray does and it has that high pressure water gun which can cut through almost anything. The best Match Rex had was Ray and Ray is the most advanced metalgear cannonically
Zeke was pretty powerful. Just saying
Rex secret is: "Nanomachines, son."
Oh god, imagine a REX with the CNT Armoured Chassis that was introduced in Rising for the RAY, it'd be unstoppable.
kindly do not
Liquid is that you?
@@IthinkIbrokemyhip Of course not
Mix the hydraulics with the CNT Muscle Actuators.
Jesus christ I just heard the words "DSP" and "Street Fighter" in a Metal Gear game
DSP i feel is actually in this case "Digital Signal Processor" or something like that
lol
Only during my most recent playthrough of MGS3, where Snake/The Boss describe CQC as a way to quickly switch between a gun battle and a knife battle, does the bigger meaning behind this codec become clear. He essentially added CQC capabilites to Rex!
Which is quite a feat, if you think about it. I mean, REX is pretty clunky
@@D3nz3lCr0ck3r And an absurdly scary thing. REX's armor is super thick but to have it be used as a weapon with its insane speed boost, just imagine how easer Gray Fox would've been crused back then if these were known.
I think it's cool that You can actually control a Metal Gear to fight another Metal Gear.
Now imagine if Rex wasn't damaged by Snake and Fox 9 years ago.
Ray would have got the shit beat out of him even worse.
So if Otacons program didnt get scrapped,
Snake would've died in the Shadow Moses incident.
Yup. Although Liquid back in MGS1 will still able to kill Snake if he gets close to the legs(in which Liquid responds by trying to step on Snake).
Akihabara Senkan HAHAHA yeah i remember . That is the one and only move that kills Snake in one hit even with life meter full. That was something.
If Liquid knew about the martial arts thing
i wonder if even Gray Fox managed to open Rex' mouth to make Liquid vulnerable.
+Firemarioflower No kidding. Even someone like Gray Fox would have extremely hard time trying to destroy the radome(effectively blinding REX and force Liquid to open the cockpit) if the program is installed.
@@GuardianOfTheHeaven sounds like the craziest story ever. Cyborb ninja with a vibro katana and an arm cannon vs a nuke launching mech that knows kung fu
So... You're basically saying.... An arm-less, hulking, God-knows-how-heavy, nuclear, walking, robot-of-death... can use CQC.
Goku beat Piccolo Jr. with no arms.
Snake; "Thanks Otacon"
Captions; "Thanks Appa gun"
Rex was literally the MAC DADDY of metal gears. Hal was the creator is Rex. It was special even Hal said they “Rex’s armor was perfect you can’t destroy it” the only reason snake and gray fox were able to pull it off was because Hal purposely gave it a “character flaw” beaten up Rex with Hal helping you out vs Perfect Ray was as balanced as it could be. Rex in its prime would have demolished Ray.
Ray: Designed for heavy mobility and efficiency in groups, super agile. Lacks heavy armour, can use it's hands as a heavy mace.
Rex: Designed as a *Nuke trebuchet* and a very efficient solo op weapon against technology wise advanced threats, can wipe the floor with Ray. As agile as Ray due to basically... Overclocking. Has heavy armour. Just yeets it's entire body. Can perform CQC thanks to street fighter code placed in Rex's data. All that while withering from decades of no maintenance and barely holding on thanks to Otacon.
And then you wonder why Ray lost
fact : liquid really is a pro in metal gear using he did control the sahelantropus.
I think it's actually quite logical, In case that the secrets to it's creation is stolen, other people WILL most likely create one to counter this one, this "Street Fighter"-System is like a Hidden Ace up the sleeve.
so basically otacon overclocked metal gear rex and now is as agile as ray?? lol cool
Lesson of the day: "don't start shit with overdosed rex, it will kick your ass"
A falcon punch from the fifty ton walking tank named REX. Sounds legit.
ORACON, NEVER SAY DSP EVER!!!!!!
This is how you don't beat Ray.
Gaudi was excellent, uninstalling it from my ps3 was a bad mistake. So informative.
@Chariflame He said in MGS 1 that is was a mobile TMD, which stands for theatre missile defense, I think the rail gun was meant for shooting down nukes, not shooting nukes themselves, he did say the armament was handled by a different department though... but I guess they went ahead and made provisions for close combat on Rex itself before it was armed with the additional weapon systems..? That's just my guess.
I suppose being versatile, and being able to cover for your weaknesses is pointless. I suppose it's pointless to put a bayonet on the barrel of a gun. I suppose it's pointless to teach a sniper CQC because he is far off in the field. When you start ignoring unknown possibilities is when you end up having problems, especially if situations like what "DeathtoRaiden1" illustrated were to happen. There's nothing absurd about adding close quarters capabilities to rex. It only makes sense to be safe.
Make REX into a street fighter? But...but...I don't think REX can even throw fireballs.
wouldn't that be what the missiles are for?
Romrojal
OK...but how about the uppercut?
*shrugs*
Still..REX pulling off Street Fighter moves is a pretty awesome mental image.
+SMAXZO thats the ram attack with a jump
"I've installed an emulator of REX's main CPU and DSP on Gaudi..." stop right there, Otacon; you mean to tell me you put DarkSydePhil on Gaudi? You realize you doomed us with his runs of MGS!
(Joking aside, I know DSP is something like Digital Signal Processing or something, but I couldn't resist making the joke :p )
Otacon, you fool!!! DSP sucks at Street Fighter!!! You've doomed us all!!!!
+Thatguywhoplaysguitarandsingsonthatcornerdowntown
What the fuck, dood! I'm pressing buttons and none of my machine gun or laser beams are coming out! So much lag! Ocelot's using shitty online tactics.
Broken metal gear mechanics
Lol scrubs
Oh shit, is DSP’s immortality the key to why Rex is so powerful?
"distributed processing" is how they made this game possible on the ps3
Correction, RAY was designed as a counter measure to COUNTERFEIT Metal Gears all over the globe.
Rex was forgotten and abandoned. It's by FAR the most powerful Metal Gear ever developed. It's armor is in its designers' words, perfect.
The thing is practically unscathed since SM, all Snake did was destroy the original cockpit interface, which the Mark III replaces here.
if rex didnt have the fighting program it woulve lost.
funny how otacon made the original REX capitalize on RAY's main flaws (shit armor and next to no close combat capability, at least the original RAY prototype) before RAY was even a thing.
because he tought a fighting robot would be dope.
The first one, Otacon basically cheatyfaces by using a remote VM to double the calculations REX's computer can do to let it move faster and balance better.
RAY's armor is pathetic though. In MGS2 RAY's armor falls apart easily, because it sacrifices it's armor for the sake of maneuverability. Admittedly, RAY could outpace a REX movement-wise. But when it comes to REX, it's armor is extremely durable. Bear in mind that the REX is over a decade old, and on top of that, it had it's entire system nuked by missiles during the shadow moses incident, AND it was in a hanger that caved in from bomb runs.
RAY goes down from about 6 well placed missiles.
This is possible
Keep in mind the rays in mgs2 were mass produced ai controlled versions meant to protect arsenal while ocelots ray is the one from the tanker fully powered
If you think about it, i guess RAY only outmatches REX due to how mobile the former is compared to the latter. Apart from that, it's hard to imagine how RAY would be an anti-REX Metal Gear.
Ps: I didn't play MGS4, so i probably missed something while writing this.
The water cutter is an execution weapon, RAY would ambush its prey dodge REX’ slow attacks, then execute it with the cutter, REX suddenly being faster and more responsive screws that up
What about the ultra-advanced Rays in Metal Gear Rising Revengeance? Could they possibly be a match for Rex?
Otacon: Let's make it into a street fighter
Snake: Street fighter is dead now since super street fighter 4 came out let's make it into a mortal kombatant!
Otacon: I'm gonna need iceballs, spears,fire balls,four arms,and a green ball
Snake: i have the balls just not the spear and arms.
Actual footage of Rex trying to remember the basics of CQC
And that's why PC's last longer than Macs.
"I am REX's lead designer"
=D Otacon.
wow. why are so many comments in here actually trying to sort out the facts and logistics and reality of the in game task? Everyone does realise that this was in game for nostalgia feels right?
It doesn't matter that REX was laying rusted for 10 years, it doesn't matter that RAY was designed as a REX countermeasure, it doesn't matter who the pilot was, or what emulations Otacon supposedly put here. It doesn't even matter that software isn't going to make a 50 ton rust bucket of a mech "more agile"
The point is the whole of Act 4 is a call back to MGS1. And there's no way Kojima was letting the player leave that Act without at least seeing REX. But to pilot the machine you destroyed? To have a walk around in it, fire its guns? hell yeah. To kick liquids ass with it, and to kick RAYs ass with it? hell yeah. Facts and figures don't matter, logic doesn't suffice. This is just an awesome part of a game driven by memories of previous encounters that just gives the player a good feeling
I always kind of figured it was also meant to parallel the fight between liquid and snake at the end of MGS1, since liquid was the one with the superior genes and snake the inferior ones. You have the inferior REX fighting the superior RAY
It was fanservice basically
Still though!
lobo-loco812 that's not how genes work, superior and inferior in genes is just a trait that is recessive compared with the superior trait. That doesn't determine quality of the beings at all
The fight ignores how the munitions in REX didn't go bad over the course of like a decade of just sitting there unmaintained.
Also ignores how liquid would have likely used a significant amount of said munitions during the boss battle in MGS1.
And now we know how REX caught Grey Fox way back when.
Kojima Production should add a Metal Gear Fight on Peace Walker!
I find it funny that RAY a more recent type of metal gear gets it's ass kicked by a 9 year old rusty REX.
On extreme difficulty its hard
You definitely have to stay on your toes on the boss extreme. Ray nearly snuck up behind me but I managed to CQC it in the split second and finish him off.
RAY also has close combat attacks, but as REX is controlled by the player, it naturally shows more of them.
RAY wasnt designed with the idea that its own enemies can do such attacks too
in MGS1 he thought it would be used to shoot ICBMs out the sky with its Rail-Gun and thought it would be used for defense. He knew that the laser, missles, and gun pods were part of REX for medium-long range DEFENSE and thought that in case the enemy got in close with armored vehicles it wouldnt be ready so he installed the Street Fighter program! Hope this clears it up even though its an old comment :D
@Chariflame He knew it was a weapon, just not a nuclear weapon. From what he'd been told, it was just a bipedal tank. Meant to bring the tactical advantage of the tank onto battlefields that tank treads can't handle
It's just the fact that the entire reason for having this ultra-agile tank was to be a portable stealth-nuke launching platform that he didn't know.
So having extra combat algorithms actually makes more sense with his level of knowledge about it's combat application.
lol snake : i have no idea what that means but it souns good to me xD
Remember back in the days we have to record gameplay with either the hdpvr or dazzle system with the lap top hooked up with 20 wires connecting back to back.
When I realised you were going to pilot Rex I was like oh fuck yeah about time one of my gaming wishes came true and it did oh boy it did
We've been waited for this moment...
@Chariflame its a counter in case u get too close to it remember when fighting rex in MGS 1 if u got to close to it it was harder for liquid to attack you unless he stomped on you If an infantry man was able to wreck havok on Rex using this trick imagine a heavy vehicle attacking rex at that distance. Otacon and the other developers noticed this and though hmmmm ok Rex can shot down Missles what happens if Rex has to be used in a combat situation.. and so they added the program
Damn played this so much and didnt know about this codec conversations
@NyteMyre2 haha that was pretty funny. but it was actually a smart idea if you think about it. rex was going to be mass produced which means someone would get their hands on it and try to develoup their own hence so rex could fight it off if it were to close for the railgun or other weapons on rex to fire at said knock off metal gear.
He thought Rex was a mobile Theater Missile Defense, used to shoot down nukes. A weapon of defense, most likely in foreign terrain, needs armament to hold it's own.
Why would you put DarkSydePhill in a metal gear?!
Justgamer64 "Dood, this laser doesn't work, WTF is wrong with it, the controls suck ass (insert annoying laugh here), my controller is broken!"
*Later*
"WHAT? I GOT HIT, ACK ACK ACK, WTF THIS GAME IS BUGGED, MAN, FUCK THIS, FUCK THIS STUPID FUCKING GAME, AND FUCK KOJIMA TOO!"
Let's make it into a street fighter.
Otacon...did you install programs that can make Rex do Shoryukens?
I do believe metal gear rex is the most powerful metal gear in the series. Zeke is a good one too, as it has a rapid firing rail gun. Actually, isn't metal gear zeke the only one with a rapid firing rail gun?
It's not the most powerful it's the most practical for real war. That's why it's the best because it works in all conditions. It's literally the perfection of metal gear.
@@colinnixon7739 makes sense
I was referring to these particular codec calls during this fight, but I do listen to to the codec calls throughout the game.
It's funny how Otacon has random generated gestures.
Apparently his gestures are based on Kojimas.
Did I just hear Otacon say "DSP" and "Street Fighter" in the same codec conversation?
Oh my God... "Sons of Kojima"... IT'S ALL BEEN FORETOLD!
Going to have to play this again, considering the game pauses when you speak to Otacon you'd be dead by now after the first sentence
DSP and Street Fighter... Fucking Kojima lol
Otacon is such a Geek. Love him for it though.
I still think Ocelot was subconsciously piloting Ray at less optimal conditions, tbh. But that's just me.
This battle was truly something epic and intense. I've always wanted to use one of the Metal Gears in battle instead of wrecking one for the umpteenth time. And I'm not even a mecha fan.
First of all
A tyranosaurus Rex vs a mantine Ray, honestly which will win?
A goddamn rex, thats what will win
snake sounds like christian bale in his batman voice
Always and forever a Rex fan =)
ray is meant for "hit and run" operations, while the enemy metal gear knock offs are docked in their motor-pool ray jumps out of nowhere and destroys them while they are vulnerable with no pilots.
RAY has flexibility and a giant death star lazer. REX has superior armor, combat programs, and a High-Frequency PENIS lazer. Of course REX would win.
Pelvis laser destroys all
@Chariflame Dude, of course they knew it was a weapon- they designed it! This includes the weaponry on-board (the Vulcan cannons, HEAT missiles, FE laser, and railgun) I mean, they were a weapon design company. The only thing that he didn't know was that the railgun would fire nuclear shells.
@Chariflame
He thought he was designing an enhanced walking tank with TMD missile defense capabilities. He always knew it was armed. He didn't know its purpose was as a WMD.
Did you miss the part where he tells you it had multiple SELF DEFENSE SYSTEMS. You know, things to help it defend itself from the people launching the nukes it was to intercept?
In MGS1 he knows what other weapons were to be installed in REX. He was designing a war machine, but it was to be a counter to WMDs and not a WMD itself.
Does it play Guile's theme when you beat someone?
No but you can gladly play it on your phone while you do
Imagine Snake listening to Guile's theme on his iPod while beating RAY with the street fighter program.
The description says Rex twice, thought i'd point that out
otacon built Rex like a unit, What otacon upgrades code does is it gives rex more faster response time and better sonar performance so basically more wide range to see farther, so otacon is pushing rex to the limit of its performance
The secret to the battle should have been kicking RAY in the balls
And it roars too!
Theres one flaw in your logic. The StreetFighter program wasn't supposed to be hidden feature, it was never officially installed because it was "shelved before we could make our pitch". If it did got accepted, and the building plans would get stolen, then so would the streetfighter program.
The conversation takes a complete wrong turn for the worst if you transcribe the audio... Apparently Otacon's name is Rebecca and at the end of the video he wants snake to get close to him...
@Chariflame He said he got into science to make giant robots. What kind of mecha can't do close quarters combat?
I think Otacon knew it was going to be a weapon, he just didn't know it was going to be nuclear capable.
Video's description: "Otacon explains to Snake how Rex can beat Rex"
“I used the rex to destroy the rex”
"Otocon explains why Rex can have a chance of beating Rex"
Metal Gear MK 2 and 3 has some strange nanipulator. It fits to Rex, electronic doors, that electronic floor thing that Snake destroyed in mgs1 with nikita, elevator in Rex's hangar. Does anybody agree with me?
He didn't know it was supposed to be a nuclear-weapon. Only that it was equiped with some weapons but not nuclear. He talks about it in the computer room where you fight the ninja he also said that rex could be able to launch a nuke from the railgun.
Played the whole game and every other Metal Gear game, but never used the codec during MGS4....why I do this?
The Weeb Rex vs The COD Kid Ray
1:25
Man, Capcom crossovers looks sick!
@NyteMyre2 Or, y'know, anything that moves and is smaller than REX.
I loved this fight
I hate to reply to really old comments..but MGS1 was the first to talk about using CQC (back then it was called CQB) MGS3 was the first to fully use it though, you are right on that respect
I finished this in 2010. Then again in 2016 for the trophies (didn’t get the platinum because of that iPod task). I didn’t even know you can kick Ray