Interview with the creators of the AMP Press | Alex and Matt Findlay
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2021
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Erik keep us in your loop on this one
I'm getting some real good info, thanks guys
It is great to see you guys collaborating! I have been using my AMP II for awhile now. Love the results so far!
Most people don't understand how inconsistent they are when using a normal load pack. This thing is going to bring so much accuracy to our numbers and tests that it will be a game changer for defining what truly works and what doesn't. Excited!
I truly believe this.
Buy the way thanks to Alex and Matt thats for sure
These guys over at AMP are shaking up the reloading world. Thanks guys for your contribution to the shooting world. I love your products.
Great video brother enjoyed it much,I don't aneal just don't have one yet , but I make hunting ammo and some times I get half inch at 100 , and Iam happy I do clean with a brush and it seems to help.God Bless everyone.
Now the press....yeah
I read your book it was quite interesting
Go little old New Zealand, very clever inventions from these chaps. 😎😎👍
Alex is a great contact, had some business related inquiries and he was quick and helpful in solving all issues. I can recommend these guys whenever you need support. Thumbs up!
Love this content!!! Accuracy and precision, it’s all about being consistent which is the most used term in this video.
That's exciting to be able to see and identify with actual data how many different things that can create inconsistencies in the reloading process!!! Love the videos! Thank you for your efforts!
Hello fellows, I just bought one of your amp mark2
Great video Erik you have really got me thinking now about interesting in some AMP products seems to be the way of the future it takes reloading to a whole new level , thanks for introducing me to these guys via this interview l will be contacting them in the very near future . Steve from Australia .
Hell ya
11:30 Eriks eyes glow for machinist appreciation/Press Analysis, 14:30 Erik comes out of the closet, 24:00 Alex & Matt break the ice with mind blowing honesty, 46:00 the variance found and adjusted shooting blackpowder. Awesome interview Erik. Thank you Alex & Matt. Next on the list: QUALITY BRASS. lol
Something I did a few years ago was laser engrave my brass. And each time I had a flyer or some thing went amiss, I would set that number of brass to the side. Additionally, I reload my brass in order 1 to 100, Every single time. EC, Recommend you have someway to keep track of the brass each and every time you reload that particular piece of brass.
Got it 2 yrs ago: Mophorn Laser Engraving Machine 40w CO2 Laser Engraver
What kind of machine did you use to engrave the cases ?
@@br4713 Mophorn Laser Engraving Machine 40w CO2 Laser Engraver
I just exchanged emails with Alex last week. Really nice fellow. Love the AMP Mk2. So much faster than flame annealing, and so much better. I like how Alex stated that AMP & flame will anneal the same, but the tolerance is different, and that is what I have experienced. Keeping the flame exactly the same throughout 150 cases is difficult for consumer-based options.
Awesome interaction! I'm currently waiting for the press & autoloader from BRT, but listening in to the convo you guys had gave me all the answers about this system (and some test ideas as well). Good on ya Eric, Matt & Alex for this session. like Eric says - "I'm excited"! BTW, the All Blacks are playing this weekend Matt & Alex 👍 Go The Blacks!!! 😁😁😁
In the industrial world, we had similar debates over the value of a hi resolution plot for many things like this and many others. I fell in the camp of using the plots to debug and for process control. I also saw the value of the Hydro and the ForcePack and can say that those low res tools helped mimic what I had in my labs and they absolutely helped me debug my ammo at home. This tool is already on my bench and I have started collecting data on virgin brass. It isn’t that I will have to use it all the time, but any time I change over or use a different process you can bet I’ll have the plots running. With the difficulty of materials these days, I don’t need to blow a string or waste effort if I can avoid it. I realize the expense isn’t for everyone, but then neither is competition shooting at distance or groups.
A lot of variables are in play on this subject. Enjoyed the show and the information.
Lets see how it goes. Keep em coming.
Makes you proud to be a Kiwi! Just shows good old NZ can do attitude. Mixing with the big boys. Awesome guys impressive!
Great product. Great interview. NOW an adapter needs to be made for insertion of primers that not only records resistance but also depth. Needs an adapter for full length resizing brass and expansion.. There is just soooo much this product is capable of - with right tools. Looking forward to all of your data...
I bet that would make 0 difference
Thank you Erik! Great information. Relative to the press plotting ram force as a function of time, please know their are two coefficients of friction, static (getting it started to move) and dynamic (to keep motion happening). The velocity of the ram may be an important variable relative to the the normal case force exerted by the neck against the bullet bearing surface. Too slow, and the coefficient of friction may transmission closer to the static case and further away from the dynamic coefficient of friction.
Good stuff, but not easy to make sense of with all the variables.
The linear actuator used should have a predictable relationship between force and speed.
Beside creating graphs for us to compare, the press removes the variable of how much our arm is pressing the lever of our seating press.
When precision reloaders have a repeatable case prep process, the difference in force should be small enough that the speed of seating is nearly identical. Outliers that have a different enough seating pressure to change the speed should be culled or examined to see what went wrong.
Can't afford either. I purchased a EP 2.0 brass annealer. It was 280 shipped to my door. Very simple flame annealer. Now if I had the money I would buy the amp annealer. But for shooting PRS the EP 2.0 is good enough for what I need
Are you going to get the case feeder with the amp annealer?
Yes
Gaven from ultimate reloader has a video out on the press from these guys
I won't be running out and buying either one, can't afford it, but, it may wind up narrowing down some procedures or specs that will either help or reassure people in their processes.Word on the info will get out eventually, and people will be able to evaluate what they do or don't need to do at least. I think Speedy is right in saying small samples won't prove a lot, probably need to run 500 pc lots over a number of shots per case, likely in the region of 10 shots, maybe more, per case, to prove out what is going on altogether over the life of the brass. Not much different than the 3 vs 5 vs 10 shot group argument in my mind, which is probably what it will evolve into down the road. And some arguments about whose brass material performs the best over the long haul. Should be interesting.
Can you full length resize with this press?
No
@@ErikCortina okay. Thanks
Why do you need the press to show you the difference? Aren't the groups on paper what really matters? F Class John just found out that the "best most consistent graphs from the press" produced some of the worst groups on paper while the inconsistent graphs produced some of the best.
But if I eleminate all the inconsistancies in the loading room and shoot an accurate rifle, the obviousl problem is going to be on the front of the trigger and the connected meat bag. Anyone working on an electronicly aimed and triggered rifle?
Rail guns. I just got one. 😉
@@ErikCortinaand the escalation continues.
Is the software capable of performing standard statistical analysis and plotting "control limits"?
It isn’t built in now, but pulling the peak or work done numbers and running the stats is trivial on the side.
@@dinoc.5537 The passion of F-Class and other long range perfectionists is real. Having control limits to alert you of a value outside of parameters is essential to take the cull decision beyond trend analysis and feelings.
@@daviddale3624 I agree with this.
I have been wondering for a few years why we don't have automatic sorting on things like scales and concentricity gauges.
@@daviddale3624 the screen function will sort the measurements by either the end force or the work done. If take that data and calculate your desired UCL and LCL, you can accept or reject accordingly. If you decide ahead of time on limits, then all you have to do is let it sort.
Erik Cortina and Mark...from Mark and Sam after work have both said it correctly. In fact Erik has a video specifically on the topic. You guys are making it to complicated. Quote: get you some good brass some good freedom seeds and some good powder. Load them up and go shoot. If you want to be an expert reloader then by all means get the next whiz bang gadget and spend many hours reloading. But if you want to be an expert shooter...go out and practice shooting. Most importantly learn to read the wind. Nobody knows yet what if anything this expensive piece of equipment will contribute to the industry. In fact in one video about this machine the guys results along with shooting results almost indicates there's no point to annealing. But I have already seen and heard in various videos about this product the obvious. It will not make anyone a better shooter.
I took my 20 year old daughter to the range this weekend. Her first time on a long gun. She had first round impacts on every target from 300yds - 1 mile. She was using my custom built 300prc from Alamo precision that includes an EC tuner, my handloads from once fired Hornady brass and 230gr A-tips. I use a use a rcbs triple beam scale, rcbs summit press for full length sizing and arbors. An arbor press with wilson micro chamber seater. She also used mine and my coaches expierence to make those shots. My coach owns the range Northeast Texas Tactical in Kaufman Texas.
My question is this...if your already a seasoned shooter and reloader, do you really think you will see a return for your $1500 spent on this new toy. Or would the $1500 be better spent on reloading components and practice.
Check out the video on Northeast Texas Tactical Facebook page. First woman in the 1 mile club from this past Saturday.
I have a v4 powder machine coming only to speed up the reloading process so I can get out there and learn wind and shoot. Now if these guys come up with a gadget that can read the wind between shooter position and target 2500yds away ill be the first in line and pay the rediculous price for it.
My respects to all my fellow veterans and shooters.
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Their annealing machine is perfect I totally aggree,
but I dont think the press is worth it : 1400$ just to see there's a problem in your reloading process, but the graphs and numbers won't tell what's the cause (I can get the same conclusion by hand). For consistency batch after batch I would just anneal every time and change nothing to my process.They know who you are, so depending on what you say sales may vary ;D
The graphs & numbers will help to isolate the ‘cause’ by showing the effect of changes to the process of case prep & loading. My needs don’t warrant buying the press but I can see it’s usefulness.
This is one of those things that is hard to understand the need for it until you try it.
There is absolutely no way you can get the same feedback by hand as you can with this press, but as I said, you must try it to really see it.
@@Russell-1 It just "helps to isolate the cause" of the problem (instead of showing the cause by itself), that's what I meant. But... by hand with an arbor press, I can already know if I improved something or not in my process (smoother seating, harder, more consistent or less). It won't help that much vs usual method. Ok that's a bit better (putting numbers on it), but the question is for who is it really worth it to spend that much for such tiny improvement ???
like any product you are also paying for the initial development cost (prototyping). If you want a production item at a lower rate wait 5 years. Bear in mind there is no guarantee that price will drop for more than a black friday sale. This truly is a game changer in the reloading industry. The "amp machine" on the other hand is not unless your OCD (Erik).
@@br4713 as they said, you don't get improved seating.
What you get is process validation and numbers (graphed) that eliminate any guess-work and subjective "feel".
The value of data is subjective but if your ammo consistency improves or you win a match as a result, the price might be very justifiable.
If they made an adapter to measure primer seating force (as another commenter suggested), I think the value could get a lot greater.
This is one product in the industry that annoys me, it works, but its wildly over priced.
What it can do versus any other press out there is not even comparable. If you want to talk about overpriced, the Zero press is overpriced. I haven't seen any kind of proof of it making better ammo then say arbor press or any other press for that matter. Would like to see you engineer a press that can do the same thing for less and put it into production with the software to back it up.
not the press
@@ddn79 I'm talking about the amp annealing product, not the press
Check out the home made annealer that Adam Morgan from Northeast Texas Tactical made. Works just as good but 5 times faster and it will only set you back $200 and about 10 minutes to build
Just search on CZcams for Northeast Texas Tactical