NO cheap faders! Bring us 8 or 16 motorized ones on the right hand side (with oled display for each) and 16 pads on the left… sell it as a prime version of the keyboard. The S88 Lux for 1999 usd for pro producers ✌️
Main reason why I did not get MI, MII, MIII was their standalone usage handicap. So, finally in July 2024 it got MIDI-split zones and became a "real" Masterkeyboard. My Casio VZ-1 from 1988 has 4 split zones and three wheels. 😛
On top of what you said, another benefit of directly integrating with Kontakt is that DAW tracks now has lesser system resources footprints. When Kontakt was wrapped within KK, a single track used to take about 2% to 3% of RAM. With projects that use more than 40 tracks, it wasn't practical and the system was running out of RAM fast. With K7 integration now, I still can use the NKS pre-mapped parameters with lesser RAM consumption.
Just happened to have bought it's smaller cousin, the S49MK3 and very happy with it! The huge Kontakt library you get with the keyboard is such that I don't have to buy any more instruments for a while. So, as long as your not a Maschine user this is the one to get!
honestly I only utilized my faders when I toured to control Mainstage etc.. However once I transitioned into studio production/composition I preferred to chose fader controllers that were more purpose feature driven and also that could fit ontop my desk.
@@maximumguitarage Hi There! I've owned a lot of controllers and I didn't like the keys on any of them, except for the M-Audio Oxygene 61 I had. It has the best keys I've ever played on a MIDI controller. So I ended up buying an M-Audio Oxygene 61 MK5. With Pitch Bender, Modulation, its 9 faders and 8 knobs, it's more than enough for my needs. The KOMPLETE KONTROL S is a beast, especially considering that most of my products are from NI and Arturia. But, as I said, the lack of Faders in such an expensive product like this, is a deal breaker for me.
@@MichelBarbaro Hey that is slick and I appreciate the information. Glad the M-Audio Oxygene 61 was right for you ! I checked it out it seems like a very solid approach ! Has it all the faders pads - So here is what I cooked up - I have an Akai MPC 61 coming i in as the MPC 3.0 updated streaming 8 layers and workflow seems very promising. I also have the NI MK3 coming in that I have been told by Akai can be plugged in via usb so I can potentially use the NI 88k Akai to control the Akai MPC 61 and have full 88 weighted keys , should make for a comprehensive setup , is the best setup for space saving no - yet grabbed a new out of box unit for $999 through GC for the Akai . I can also have the NI Mk3 for the MAC /studio when I need to make the orchestral or score like pieces I have been pursuing through the DAW. I thought this would cover more ground than just getting two standalone keyboards like the Akai MPC 61 and a Yahama Modx8+/Montage 8xm. I will certainly put M-Audio Oxygene on the radar.
I think what would be even more important than 12 faders are motorized knobs that automatically move to the position as saved in the preset or plugin. If you want to control a plugin (filter), for example, you first have to move the knobs as they are in the plugin, then they would do it automatically with the motor.
@@MatthiasLindemann-hp2zr If you enable MIDI output from your DAW to the device and you have the mapping for your plugin setup correctly, then the values should be updated on your device when you change presets... No need for motorised encoders
Awesome video, so nice to see you're happy with the latest FW update! You can also rename every button and encoder in your custom MIDI Template, making *DOMS CUBASE* template look even better ;-)
These new devices are great as first buys....but with CMC, CC121, StreamDeck, Nobcontrol, Novation Controllers, Softube Console ?....For example...they have abandoned Novation Automap, Komplete Kontrol software is not great for recall over projects etc....
That firmware update was huge, right?! I had faith when NI mentioned publicly that the built-in computer on the new S-Series was there for upcoming features, and the onboard MIDI Template functions seems to very much be the start of things. I will need to find time to wrap my head around it, but it's gonna be fun to try out with the MIDI hardware I have. I use Logic Pro and look forward to making Smart Control templates for some sampleware, and I hope to learn more functionality as I get to grips with MIDI. The S88 MK3 is a thing of beauty; glad to have it in the keyboard tray of my studio desk. Thanks for talking about it, sharing your thoughts, showing how you use it. I would dig you continue to share knowledge as you go, maybe a basic tutorial on MIDI Templates, as well as tips and tricks. Thanks for this!
I was huge indeed and had I had the firmware back when I shot the video, I would have focused more on the features :) But I am glad I managed to include the update in the video :)
The S88 mk3 is awesome and i wish i could fit it in my setup. My "studio" is literally in a closet. 😂 The absolut biggest keyboard i can use in there is the Arturia Keylab 61 mkII. I make it work. 🙂
Probably not, but it's certainly the company with enough $$$ to throw at sponsors 😁 I'm a big fan of the Nektar boards myself, the weighted action would just slow me down these days. The after touch is neat though. If you're just starting out I'd grab a Nektar GXP61, a small amazon tablet for a touch display streaming the pc/daw interface, and a cheap fader board (or you can build a fader board yourself for very little $).
Yup Nektar is great, also Casio Privia Pro PX-5S, I wouldn't trust any hardware review by Dom, not because I don't like him, opposite I like him, but because he is connected with Yamaha and NI directly, and I had NI controllers before, they working ok with NI software, but mediocre with DAWs, all that scales, chords etc. wont work in DAW directly only through NI software, and those toys are waaay overpriced.
These are not fully weighted key beds. Dom sort of implied that, but the high level controllers use a hybrid key-bed with a modified hammer action. There are piano-style controllers but they are sold as ‘pianos’.
@@artysanmobile Neat, it's rare that even weighted keys are outright too heavy for me (looking at you Roland), it's mainly the "graded action" that leads to inconsistency for me (by design). I prefer an even grade of weight. The only semi weighted action I've tried that I couldn't stand was the M-Audio MK2, sticky boat anchors on that.
@@montazownianr1i promise you I would NEVER add such an integral piece in my setup (literally, the keyboard I use every single day) because I have connections with any company. These tools help me make my living and I am extremely picky with my keyboards. The reason I use what I use is because they are the best tools that work for me. And this applies to Yamaha synths as well. I’ve been using them since I started playing the piano 35 years ago. The fact that someone prefers a product doesn’t support the logic not to “trust” them even though it’s your right not to. 😊 I bought my tons of Yamaha (even bought a Yamaha C2 grand 15 years ago!)and NI stuff before any connections
@@montazownianr1 Express your preferences all you like - that’s what we’re here for. But “I Wouldn’t Trust … Dom?” Sit back and look at what you write in the future, lest you risk earning a reputation for being a jerk, if that matters to you. His audience is here because of his consummate skills as a player. I think we all can make informed decisions on our own without your trashing him for his success. This will also save you the work of composing several sentences defending yourself. Clueless!
Hello Dom, excellent review! This S series comes with a $500 voucher to buy any instrument of my choice from the NI store. I think this is the perfect opportunity for me to buy my very first expensive library to kickstart my film composing journey. What do you recommend I buy with this voucher? I was thinking about Nucleus by Audio Imperia. I would also appreciate input from anyone reading this.
How many of the modern controllers or synths are designed with users needs and requested needs or are just companies forcing their own agendas and pushing more spending.
Guys, how does the intergration work with 3rd party librares, namely with the East West ones? They are claimed as fully nks compatible, how does that work in practice?
I see a lot of people complaining about there being no faders... I'd rather buy motorized faders separately than have non-motorized faders on my keyboard.
I have the MK2 and one thing I'm surprised they did not implement in MK3 is for the display screen to pop out to 45 degrees. Unless you're high enough above it, it's really hard to read it sometimes. Also, had I known they would integrate it natively with Kontakt 2 years after I bought mine and not add that functionality to MK2, I would have waited. I despise the KK software and only use it for the light guides. Let's be real - does ANYONE like the Komplete Kontrol software? lol
Display angle is a GREAT feature. Ultra big bucks DAW controllers were made for years and years by AVID with absolutely no concern for this issue whatsoever. I committed to the Control|24 simply because of the superior ergonomic design. AVID intentionally broke its compatibility in order to clear out the warehouse of their C24 with zero ergonomic design. This tonedeafness resulted in years of resentment among the Control model fans and eventually birthed a whole new company just to make them work again. Imagine building $10,000+ control surfaces without a clue to what their users want and need. I grew up with large-format analog desks which had the very same issues. On the worst of them, I’d stand to make buss assignments, adjust mic pre!! of all things, then sit and depend on muscle memory to adjust either EQ or Aux sends - depending on which the designer didn’t care for. To blithely repeat that mistake in the 21st century was the apogee of thoughtless.
@@alainpatry What you mean MK3 integrate natively with Kontakt? Doesn't both MK2 and Mk3 keyboards do the same thing by controlling Kontakt instruments?
15:41 I think that it is good to have this space right and left. We need a place to for a mouse/trackball and a place for a computer keyboard, if we don't have a desk like you Dom.
@15:41 I would buy it even if it is more expensive *BUT/ OR* Native Instruments could make that an attachable sold separately module (with a screen to show what the Fader is controlling) That could save me A LOT of space and make me more depending on Native Instruments (see that NI? a captive customer 😉) MOTORIZED - MOTORIZED - MOTORIZED!!!!
reply to myself! hahaha but to add, maybe 4 motorized faders and one or two X/Y pads!!!! I would kill for that!! (hehe, not really, but I would be so Native Instrumental... already am, but more)
The mk2 can control Kontakt as well. You don't need a mk3 for that. So far the main differences between my Mk2 and Mk3 are the poly-aftertouch - and the MIDI templates in hardware now. I can see the use of the latter, but I've got my Mk2 not even two years ago. So maybe next year. Also, I've got a Stream Deck platec on the left aft of my Mk2 for example. Others put other things on it, I've seen.
The video talks about integrating with Kontakt, not controlling it. MK2 never integrated with Kontakt and you were always on MIDI mode when launching Kontakt.
I bought my S61 MK3 late last year and it had a lot of teething troubles integrating with Studio One and KK. However, NI has since fixed these issues. I bought the keyboard in the anticipation of improvements and enhancements, especially with the flexibility of the onboard computer. The unit provides lots of player control - four pedals, touch strip, knobs, aftertouch etc. I think these are the most important factors. The keybed itself is ok, a bit 'squidgy' but handles well. Just don't compare it to a proper weighted piano / MIDI controller (maybe the S88 is different). The display is lovely, but I appreciate to some it might just be a gimmick. Good for selecting NI-integrated instruments, but ultimately you head back to the screen and mouse for finer control. Overall though, I think this keyboard is a good controller, and a sound investment in future enhancements - and NI have proved this with their recent MIDI integration features. Yes, it's expensive, but if you get on with it, then that might be a worthy purchase that will give years of service. Hope this helps anyone considering a purchase!
Minas Chantzides has created and published a fantastic MIDI Remote script for Native Instrument keyboards (MK II ,at least). It is incredibly powerful and much more useful than the default script provided by NI.
Great controller. Although I’d love for them to make a version of it with internal sounds too, so to be not a controller anymore but a proper instrument. Sometimes in fact while I’m composing I don’t want to switch on the computer, but I just need sounds to play at my hands.
I have Yamaha DGX-670 for that. It has hundreds of instruments, excellent keybed, good speakers, supports both MIDI and audio over USB in both directions (Instrument Computer) and it costs $500 less.
@@FirstLast-nr6gf Man, as if you're reading my mind, I am actually selling my P125 and getting this DGX 670 in two weeks. I ordered it 2 days ago :) What a coincidence 😂
@@Ahmad-Mounir44great choice for both of you. Although I was saying that regarding NI since Arturia and Akai seem that are going in that direction so it’s not impossible.
I think it is a niche product. It could not be used by performing musicians, for example. In my opinion there are better products from brands like Yamaha or Roland. I'm a Logic Pro user. With Logic you can use an iPad as a control surface via Logic Remote, so no need for hardware buttons, knobs or faders.
Bought it a few months ago, and returned it after a few weeks. I felt that the keyboard action was too heavy and sluggish for piano playing (using Pianoteq and trying all adjustments). The polyaftertouch was too sensitive (though this was prior to the firmware update). One of the encoders was "gummed up." I was really hoping this would replace my now-defunct Kurzweil MIDIBoard. I did like the clean layout, I am not interested in having pads, faders, etc. Now hoping that Studiologic will update their SL88 Grand with polyAT. Just IMHO....
Tiny knobs are difficult to use smoothly and repeatably. I want to move my CC11 from 78 to 79 so it matches another patch. I do like the Kontakt integration. NINE faders, please, for Hammond sim. Not 8, not motorized. And not everybody uses Cubase. DP, Logic also. But thanks for the info.
Hi, your work is absolutely helpful as usual, but one question : as you said, i dislike to use komplete kontrol, then i only use Kontakt...but...using kontakt, does the lights for keyswitches appear as when using Komplete Kontrol ? kind regards from France.
I wonder if it would make sense for NI to experiment with making 2 versions of the S88: one for film composers who could benefit from motorized faders and wouldn't mind paying the premium, and another for amateurs like me who would opt for the cheaper keyboard and wouldn't mind all the empty space (it probably wouldn't make sense given that their production costs would probably go up a lot with having to make 2 keyboards instead of just 1) I still love my S88 MkII but watching videos like this, I can't pretend that I don't have gear envy haha
@@-musiclee- I know, but like I pointed out on the video, the faders would bring the price up a lot. I would love it but realistically, how many people would spend upwards of $3000 for a controller? If they make it cheap it’s a different price bracket and there are many controllers who offer this functionality. But quality+all these features=$$$$ I have the same wish as you though :) What I do with the empty space is I place my own faders and pads on it.
@@DomSigalas Yep true enough .. but we don't all do film producing .. just, good old song writing .. love your old stuff though ... you really are a true musician ... much respect for that !
How do you get into your cubese template? In mk2 all you need to do was press midi button and you could use your mapping in a daw.. What do you have to do in this new version? They get rid of some of the buttons and I hope it's not anther shfit+ combo...
I had bought it...preordered in September, never got it until February. After all that wait, I sent it back the very next day. Did not like it at all. The keys felt too mushy for me, even with all the weight they had.
@@DomSigalas I ended up going with a Roland Fantom 08. I am more used to that weighted action. Very reminiscent of the Korg Triton LE88 I had, so I realized that is my preferred "weight-graded action". Plus, I get some internal sounds, too! 🙂
@@KevboKev nice! Keybeds are a VERY personal preference thing. For me the king is always the Montage M (Yamaha make acoustic pianos- they know how to make keybeds for pianists), but many people prefer Nords and whatnot. Its like a car, better take it for a test drive first :) That being said, I like the action of this MK3 a lot.
Dom, this or something else for first midi controller for piano and compose pieces within the DAW? Please let me know … as I need a 88 weighted midi controller- great channel ! Subbed
@@DomSigalas thank you Dom! I pulled the trigger - got one coming in from Sweetwater - I can go back and forth all day on on adding the pros and cons or compare other keys yet that would take time away from the creativity. Cheers !
so do you think the new s-series mk3 is worth it now with the update that enable costume midi control of daw and plugin ? its my understanding that a lot of stuff is going to be migrated to Midi 2.0 and Microsoft has released the beta driver recently. and this keyboard is said to be ready for it. so this recent update could be just a temporary stop gap before midi 2.0 regarding your Cubase template , does it have bi-directional feedback ?
So if I understand the comment about the limitation of the knob controllers, if I get an Mk3 I can no longer just map knob 1 to MIDI CC xx or whatever and label it cutoff, etc. and set up multiple pages of that for each hardware synth? If this product can't do that, it has completely missed its market. That is the main feature I bought the Mk2 for.
I like the Novation SL MK3 more. Way more functions, sequenzer, drum pads and the best…no kontrol app needed in the daw. I found it terrible to use softsynth and always have to open it in the NI kontrol app.
@@DomSigalasHi Dom. Sorry I think this was not what I meaned. If you open Synthmaster for example, you have to open not the VST itself, you have to open the NI plugin VST in Cubase and open Synthmaster in this. That is not what I want. You have to take the whole NI ecosystem, but I want to be free. Did you ever used a Novation SL 3?
I have one like it of 61 keys, and it is uncomfortable to play orchestral instruments, the keys are very sensitive and it is very difficult to control the touch, I would like to know your opinion on that. Thank you very much.
Do you know if the build quality/feel of the smaller models (S49, etc.) is the same? I don’t have space for an 88-key model but was considering a smaller model.
They could just take the existing MKIII versions and make a version with a set amount of good quality faders for those that really want it. If you are a professional that really use it you would pay the premium price, and pads is not gonna be happening .. people been asking for that for years, and NI want to sell you a Machine instead.
I own all the previous iterations on the S and A series which I absolutely adore, but won't be buying this version. They are advertising this like crazy still nearly a year after release so obviously think a large part of their user base hasn't understood the benefits and guessing sales are dissappointing, Lots to love about the screen, aftertouch and new Kontakt integration. However I want is a great MIDI controller first and foremost, with all the things I need such as quality sliders, plus Maschine integration, this new version fails to deliver. Would give up the premium feel immediately for these other things as whilst everyone likes better quality, the existing ones were very reasononable anyway unless a pro player. Plus another major issue is that we all know that down the line in the future they will shut off support anyway. Then unless you are happy to offload that expensive piece of kit, you're down to some hard choices with regards using older versions of software. So I'm much happier staying in the out and out MIDI controller zone and ignore some of these new ideas. It's a shame as I love their boards but it seems the game is to take you on a new money making journey with these latest products rather than give me what I really want.
I am glad NI sent you a new toy! 👌 But no, it's not the best controller.... In fact , after i bough Maschine MK3 few years ago, I promise myself to not give more money to Native Instruments. I use Cubase and the MK3 is completely useless. They have never add support for the MK3 to control Kontakt or Komplete Kontrol, so the only way is to use their stupid Daw or use their Daw inside Cubase as VST. A nightmare!! Oh, and good luck on trying to sell MK3, I have mine on Reverb for about an year and nobody buys it.
Hey Pedro! So what’s your favourite controller then for composing? Maschine wasn’t promising to have any deep integration with Cubase, I have it too. I have sold all my old Maschines and a MK49 MKII, but honestly, if the new S88 didn’t come out I wouldn’t want to sell my MKII anyway. I haven’t found anything that matches it.
Because this would require double the resources at the factory and additional RND. It’s the number 1 reason why many companies don’t produce “dream” products. For example, many people scream they want the CS80: the amount of people that would be able to buy this synth if Yamaha actually produced it would be so few that the costs of putting it in production line would be catastrophic and a total economic loss. And it’s the same for many products. People say that they would definitely buy it but when they see the price they never do :)
And another one of those paid influencer advertisement videos about the KK MK3. Not a single word about negatives, like missing Maschine support, worse DAW control compared to MK2, less buttons than MK2 and all those firmware upgrade issues people had. The overall consensus about this product on the internet is mainly negative. But that doesn't stop influencers making ads for it.
No its not, cause until DAW software designers really up their game - basically go back to the drawing board in terms of implantation of music techniques and expression like staccato, legato, accents, dynamics, crescendos etc and making all these plugins work much better with DAW software then its all still a pain in the arse for the composer
The software updates for komplete kontrol discretely forced onto everyone via native access for this new hardware have been a disaster so far. Going from 32bit to 64 bit causing huge amounts of latency (forcing u to up the sample rate to over 512 from a previously happy 128) whilst making amendments for this hardware. Not to mention Maschine integration was binned off. Let’s just hope the new positives out way the old model like better keybed quality the keys get sticky sometimes on the old model (friday units probably) similar bed to arturia keylab 88, these new keys are poly after touch. Kontakt 7 has debug logging turned on by default smashing your disks to pieces. They need to provide customer the option to turn that off.😂
I own the MK2, it's good enough. I prefer separate displays. And it is the last in line that supports Maschine.
NO cheap faders! Bring us 8 or 16 motorized ones on the right hand side (with oled display for each) and 16 pads on the left… sell it as a prime version of the keyboard. The S88 Lux for 1999 usd for pro producers ✌️
Motorized faders are loud a.f.
Main reason why I did not get MI, MII, MIII was their standalone usage handicap. So, finally in July 2024 it got MIDI-split zones and became a "real" Masterkeyboard.
My Casio VZ-1 from 1988 has 4 split zones and three wheels. 😛
I like the empty spaces left and right. It can support both a laptop and a quality fader controller.
I wish it had CV outs
True true!!! Hahaha!
Yes this is realy important!!
Great review , thanks Dom ✋🏻💛
On top of what you said, another benefit of directly integrating with Kontakt is that DAW tracks now has lesser system resources footprints. When Kontakt was wrapped within KK, a single track used to take about 2% to 3% of RAM. With projects that use more than 40 tracks, it wasn't practical and the system was running out of RAM fast. With K7 integration now, I still can use the NKS pre-mapped parameters with lesser RAM consumption.
I like it so much that I almost wipe it clean or dust it thoroughly everyday before I start using it.
Definitely with motorised faders and fatar tp/400 keybed (the latest one). Thank you Dom for this video.
Just happened to have bought it's smaller cousin, the S49MK3 and very happy with it! The huge Kontakt library you get with the keyboard is such that I don't have to buy any more instruments for a while. So, as long as your not a Maschine user this is the one to get!
Arturia MKll has pads and faders, and the Akai MPK 88
It is great to see that halo-level products are available. Composers need such tools. I hope NI will stick with the advances and versions.
The lack of faders was the main reason I chose other brand/model. But yes, it's still a great controller!
honestly I only utilized my faders when I toured to control Mainstage etc.. However once I transitioned into studio production/composition I preferred to chose fader controllers that were more purpose feature driven and also that could fit ontop my desk.
@@MichelBarbaro what keys did you go with ?
@@maximumguitarage Hi There! I've owned a lot of controllers and I didn't like the keys on any of them, except for the M-Audio Oxygene 61 I had. It has the best keys I've ever played on a MIDI controller. So I ended up buying an M-Audio Oxygene 61 MK5. With Pitch Bender, Modulation, its 9 faders and 8 knobs, it's more than enough for my needs. The KOMPLETE KONTROL S is a beast, especially considering that most of my products are from NI and Arturia. But, as I said, the lack of Faders in such an expensive product like this, is a deal breaker for me.
@@MichelBarbaro Hey that is slick and I appreciate the information. Glad the M-Audio Oxygene 61 was right for you ! I checked it out it seems like a very solid approach ! Has it all the faders pads - So here is what I cooked up - I have an Akai MPC 61 coming i in as the MPC 3.0 updated streaming 8 layers and workflow seems very promising. I also have the NI MK3 coming in that I have been told by Akai can be plugged in via usb so I can potentially use the NI 88k Akai to control the Akai MPC 61 and have full 88 weighted keys , should make for a comprehensive setup , is the best setup for space saving no - yet grabbed a new out of box unit for $999 through GC for the Akai . I can also have the NI Mk3 for the MAC /studio when I need to make the orchestral or score like pieces I have been pursuing through the DAW. I thought this would cover more ground than just getting two standalone keyboards like the Akai MPC 61 and a Yahama Modx8+/Montage 8xm. I will certainly put M-Audio Oxygene on the radar.
@@MichelBarbaro I will see how long the NI 88k Mk3 lasts before it goes back - lots of bad reviews of a lazy upgrade and more like Mk2.5
Got the S88 MK2 and while not the MK3 it's way good enough for anything I do. Nice review of the MK3.
@@shubus plus if you’re a Maschine user, the MK3 is a non-starter
@@AlecBoyd I'm not!
I think what would be even more important than 12 faders are motorized knobs that automatically move to the position as saved in the preset or plugin. If you want to control a plugin (filter), for example, you first have to move the knobs as they are in the plugin, then they would do it automatically with the motor.
@@MatthiasLindemann-hp2zr If you enable MIDI output from your DAW to the device and you have the mapping for your plugin setup correctly, then the values should be updated on your device when you change presets... No need for motorised encoders
Awesome video, so nice to see you're happy with the latest FW update! You can also rename every button and encoder in your custom MIDI Template, making *DOMS CUBASE* template look even better ;-)
Thank you Mick!!! Ah yes! Had very limited time with the update before posting this video :)
The new firmware is pretty amazing!
These new devices are great as first buys....but with CMC, CC121, StreamDeck, Nobcontrol, Novation Controllers, Softube Console ?....For example...they have abandoned Novation Automap, Komplete Kontrol software is not great for recall over projects etc....
That firmware update was huge, right?! I had faith when NI mentioned publicly that the built-in computer on the new S-Series was there for upcoming features, and the onboard MIDI Template functions seems to very much be the start of things. I will need to find time to wrap my head around it, but it's gonna be fun to try out with the MIDI hardware I have. I use Logic Pro and look forward to making Smart Control templates for some sampleware, and I hope to learn more functionality as I get to grips with MIDI. The S88 MK3 is a thing of beauty; glad to have it in the keyboard tray of my studio desk. Thanks for talking about it, sharing your thoughts, showing how you use it. I would dig you continue to share knowledge as you go, maybe a basic tutorial on MIDI Templates, as well as tips and tricks. Thanks for this!
I was huge indeed and had I had the firmware back when I shot the video, I would have focused more on the features :) But I am glad I managed to include the update in the video :)
The S88 mk3 is awesome and i wish i could fit it in my setup. My "studio" is literally in a closet. 😂 The absolut biggest keyboard i can use in there is the Arturia Keylab 61 mkII. I make it work. 🙂
Probably not, but it's certainly the company with enough $$$ to throw at sponsors 😁
I'm a big fan of the Nektar boards myself, the weighted action would just slow me down these days.
The after touch is neat though.
If you're just starting out I'd grab a Nektar GXP61, a small amazon tablet for a touch display streaming the pc/daw interface, and a cheap fader board (or you can build a fader board yourself for very little $).
Yup Nektar is great, also Casio Privia Pro PX-5S, I wouldn't trust any hardware review by Dom, not because I don't like him, opposite I like him, but because he is connected with Yamaha and NI directly, and I had NI controllers before, they working ok with NI software, but mediocre with DAWs, all that scales, chords etc. wont work in DAW directly only through NI software, and those toys are waaay overpriced.
These are not fully weighted key beds. Dom sort of implied that, but the high level controllers use a hybrid key-bed with a modified hammer action. There are piano-style controllers but they are sold as ‘pianos’.
@@artysanmobile
Neat, it's rare that even weighted keys are outright too heavy for me (looking at you Roland), it's mainly the "graded action" that leads to inconsistency for me (by design).
I prefer an even grade of weight.
The only semi weighted action I've tried that I couldn't stand was the M-Audio MK2, sticky boat anchors on that.
@@montazownianr1i promise you I would NEVER add such an integral piece in my setup (literally, the keyboard I use every single day) because I have connections with any company.
These tools help me make my living and I am extremely picky with my keyboards.
The reason I use what I use is because they are the best tools that work for me. And this applies to Yamaha synths as well. I’ve been using them since I started playing the piano 35 years ago.
The fact that someone prefers a product doesn’t support the logic not to “trust” them even though it’s your right not to. 😊
I bought my tons of Yamaha (even bought a Yamaha C2 grand 15 years ago!)and NI stuff before any connections
@@montazownianr1 Express your preferences all you like - that’s what we’re here for. But “I Wouldn’t Trust … Dom?” Sit back and look at what you write in the future, lest you risk earning a reputation for being a jerk, if that matters to you.
His audience is here because of his consummate skills as a player. I think we all can make informed decisions on our own without your trashing him for his success. This will also save you the work of composing several sentences defending yourself. Clueless!
Hello Dom, excellent review! This S series comes with a $500 voucher to buy any instrument of my choice from the NI store. I think this is the perfect opportunity for me to buy my very first expensive library to kickstart my film composing journey. What do you recommend I buy with this voucher? I was thinking about Nucleus by Audio Imperia. I would also appreciate input from anyone reading this.
Mine is making squeaky noises, the keys. They told me to send it back for repair which takes 6 weeks, not replaces it. Now that’s good service :)
How many of the modern controllers or synths are designed with users needs and requested needs or are just companies forcing their own agendas and pushing more spending.
Guys, how does the intergration work with 3rd party librares, namely with the East West ones? They are claimed as fully nks compatible, how does that work in practice?
I see a lot of people complaining about there being no faders... I'd rather buy motorized faders separately than have non-motorized faders on my keyboard.
I have the MK2 and one thing I'm surprised they did not implement in MK3 is for the display screen to pop out to 45 degrees. Unless you're high enough above it, it's really hard to read it sometimes. Also, had I known they would integrate it natively with Kontakt 2 years after I bought mine and not add that functionality to MK2, I would have waited. I despise the KK software and only use it for the light guides. Let's be real - does ANYONE like the Komplete Kontrol software? lol
Display angle is a GREAT feature. Ultra big bucks DAW controllers were made for years and years by AVID with absolutely no concern for this issue whatsoever. I committed to the Control|24 simply because of the superior ergonomic design. AVID intentionally broke its compatibility in order to clear out the warehouse of their C24 with zero ergonomic design. This tonedeafness resulted in years of resentment among the Control model fans and eventually birthed a whole new company just to make them work again. Imagine building $10,000+ control surfaces without a clue to what their users want and need.
I grew up with large-format analog desks which had the very same issues. On the worst of them, I’d stand to make buss assignments, adjust mic pre!! of all things, then sit and depend on muscle memory to adjust either EQ or Aux sends - depending on which the designer didn’t care for. To blithely repeat that mistake in the 21st century was the apogee of thoughtless.
Oooooh tilt screen would be an amazing idea 😍
@@alainpatry What you mean MK3 integrate natively with Kontakt? Doesn't both MK2 and Mk3 keyboards do the same thing by controlling Kontakt instruments?
On the native instruments web site is only the old 1.57 Firmware for the Mk3 Keyboards available. (Firmware updater 3.16.3) from 01.30.24
Update your Kontakt and rest of the apps in the Native Access first :)
CC ! And why not a fader console sold separately (8, 16 and 24) ?
15:41 I think that it is good to have this space right and left. We need a place to for a mouse/trackball and a place for a computer keyboard, if we don't have a desk like you Dom.
@15:41 I would buy it even if it is more expensive *BUT/ OR* Native Instruments could make that an attachable sold separately module (with a screen to show what the Fader is controlling) That could save me A LOT of space and make me more depending on Native Instruments (see that NI? a captive customer 😉) MOTORIZED - MOTORIZED - MOTORIZED!!!!
reply to myself! hahaha but to add, maybe 4 motorized faders and one or two X/Y pads!!!! I would kill for that!! (hehe, not really, but I would be so Native Instrumental... already am, but more)
The mk2 can control Kontakt as well. You don't need a mk3 for that.
So far the main differences between my Mk2 and Mk3 are the poly-aftertouch - and the MIDI templates in hardware now.
I can see the use of the latter, but I've got my Mk2 not even two years ago. So maybe next year.
Also, I've got a Stream Deck platec on the left aft of my Mk2 for example. Others put other things on it, I've seen.
MK2 is a great controller. For me the aftertouch was important as I was never 100% happy with the aftertouch on my S88MKii :)
The video talks about integrating with Kontakt, not controlling it. MK2 never integrated with Kontakt and you were always on MIDI mode when launching Kontakt.
Nice hoodie 😀
I love mine, great centerpiece for working with a daw.
very useful review!!
Glad it helped!
I bought my S61 MK3 late last year and it had a lot of teething troubles integrating with Studio One and KK. However, NI has since fixed these issues. I bought the keyboard in the anticipation of improvements and enhancements, especially with the flexibility of the onboard computer.
The unit provides lots of player control - four pedals, touch strip, knobs, aftertouch etc. I think these are the most important factors. The keybed itself is ok, a bit 'squidgy' but handles well. Just don't compare it to a proper weighted piano / MIDI controller (maybe the S88 is different).
The display is lovely, but I appreciate to some it might just be a gimmick. Good for selecting NI-integrated instruments, but ultimately you head back to the screen and mouse for finer control.
Overall though, I think this keyboard is a good controller, and a sound investment in future enhancements - and NI have proved this with their recent MIDI integration features. Yes, it's expensive, but if you get on with it, then that might be a worthy purchase that will give years of service.
Hope this helps anyone considering a purchase!
Minas Chantzides has created and published a fantastic MIDI Remote script for Native Instrument keyboards (MK II ,at least). It is incredibly powerful and much more useful than the default script provided by NI.
Great controller. Although I’d love for them to make a version of it with internal sounds too, so to be not a controller anymore but a proper instrument.
Sometimes in fact while I’m composing I don’t want to switch on the computer, but I just need sounds to play at my hands.
NI will tell you to get a Yamaha or Korg arranger keyboard
I have Yamaha DGX-670 for that. It has hundreds of instruments, excellent keybed, good speakers, supports both MIDI and audio over USB in both directions (Instrument Computer) and it costs $500 less.
@@FirstLast-nr6gf Man, as if you're reading my mind, I am actually selling my P125 and getting this DGX 670 in two weeks. I ordered it 2 days ago :) What a coincidence 😂
@@Ahmad-Mounir44great choice for both of you. Although I was saying that regarding NI since Arturia and Akai seem that are going in that direction so it’s not impossible.
I think it is a niche product. It could not be used by performing musicians, for example. In my opinion there are better products from brands like Yamaha or Roland. I'm a Logic Pro user. With Logic you can use an iPad as a control surface via Logic Remote, so no need for hardware buttons, knobs or faders.
Bought it a few months ago, and returned it after a few weeks. I felt that the keyboard action was too heavy and sluggish for piano playing (using Pianoteq and trying all adjustments). The polyaftertouch was too sensitive (though this was prior to the firmware update). One of the encoders was "gummed up." I was really hoping this would replace my now-defunct Kurzweil MIDIBoard. I did like the clean layout, I am not interested in having pads, faders, etc. Now hoping that Studiologic will update their SL88 Grand with polyAT. Just IMHO....
Tiny knobs are difficult to use smoothly and repeatably. I want to move my CC11 from 78 to 79 so it matches another patch. I do like the Kontakt integration. NINE faders, please, for Hammond sim. Not 8, not motorized. And not everybody uses Cubase. DP, Logic also.
But thanks for the info.
9 faders to the left of the screen please for us guys who play B3 type stuff on every song - drawbars.
You don't need NI keyboard for that.
Hi, your work is absolutely helpful as usual, but one question : as you said, i dislike to use komplete kontrol, then i only use Kontakt...but...using kontakt, does the lights for keyswitches appear as when using Komplete Kontrol ? kind regards from France.
Yes it does with this version :)
@@DomSigalas thanks for the helping answer. Welcome in my musical weird stuff. Kind regards
I wonder if it would make sense for NI to experiment with making 2 versions of the S88: one for film composers who could benefit from motorized faders and wouldn't mind paying the premium, and another for amateurs like me who would opt for the cheaper keyboard and wouldn't mind all the empty space (it probably wouldn't make sense given that their production costs would probably go up a lot with having to make 2 keyboards instead of just 1)
I still love my S88 MkII but watching videos like this, I can't pretend that I don't have gear envy haha
A Controller WITHOUT FADERS ??
A Controller WITHOUT PADS ??
No Thank You!! Not for me
But, thank you for your review!!!
Glad it helped you determine if it’s for you 🙌🏼
@@DomSigalas maybe the MK4? I mean there is so much empty space to add faders and pads. :/)
@@-musiclee- I know, but like I pointed out on the video, the faders would bring the price up a lot. I would love it but realistically, how many people would spend upwards of $3000 for a controller? If they make it cheap it’s a different price bracket and there are many controllers who offer this functionality.
But quality+all these features=$$$$
I have the same wish as you though :)
What I do with the empty space is I place my own faders and pads on it.
@@DomSigalas Yep true enough .. but we don't all do film producing .. just, good old song writing .. love your old stuff though ... you really are a true musician ... much respect for that !
I am waiting for the Novation SL Mk4
How do you get into your cubese template? In mk2 all you need to do was press midi button and you could use your mapping in a daw.. What do you have to do in this new version? They get rid of some of the buttons and I hope it's not anther shfit+ combo...
At last you am Vangelis
Got the same one but the keys get cluncky makes to much noise
Please make video about firmware update 🙏 how exactly integrate with cubase and quick controls . Great video 👍
I had bought it...preordered in September, never got it until February. After all that wait, I sent it back the very next day. Did not like it at all. The keys felt too mushy for me, even with all the weight they had.
Hey Kev! What did you replace it with ? :)
@@DomSigalas I ended up going with a Roland Fantom 08. I am more used to that weighted action. Very reminiscent of the Korg Triton LE88 I had, so I realized that is my preferred "weight-graded action". Plus, I get some internal sounds, too! 🙂
@@KevboKev nice! Keybeds are a VERY personal preference thing. For me the king is always the Montage M (Yamaha make acoustic pianos- they know how to make keybeds for pianists), but many people prefer Nords and whatnot. Its like a car, better take it for a test drive first :)
That being said, I like the action of this MK3 a lot.
If one wants a set of decent faders, would Studiologic’s SL Mixface be a good option? Love the channel, Dom!
Dom, this or something else for first midi controller for piano and compose pieces within the DAW? Please let me know … as I need a 88 weighted midi controller- great channel ! Subbed
You need a midi Controller and a DAW. If you are on Mac this would be enough. If you are on PC I would recommend a good ASIO audio interface too :)
@@DomSigalas thank you Dom! I pulled the trigger - got one coming in from Sweetwater - I can go back and forth all day on on adding the pros and cons or compare other keys yet that would take time away from the creativity. Cheers !
10:25 whats happening 🤣
I have heard reports the keyboard lags hard with very large templates with thousands of tracks.
I love your zipper Dom, where did you get it please ? (Good content as usual thanks)
so do you think the new s-series mk3 is worth it now with the update that enable costume midi control of daw and plugin ?
its my understanding that a lot of stuff is going to be migrated to Midi 2.0 and Microsoft has released the beta driver recently.
and this keyboard is said to be ready for it.
so this recent update could be just a temporary stop gap before midi 2.0
regarding your Cubase template , does it have bi-directional feedback ?
Second here, I am back with you Dom
So if I understand the comment about the limitation of the knob controllers, if I get an Mk3 I can no longer just map knob 1 to MIDI CC xx or whatever and label it cutoff, etc. and set up multiple pages of that for each hardware synth? If this product can't do that, it has completely missed its market. That is the main feature I bought the Mk2 for.
You can! They released an update a few days ago- I show it on the video :)
yes i agreed ( when he's work !!!!!!! )
Hello sir, please can you share with us where you got that fantastic hoodie?
I like the Novation SL MK3 more. Way more functions, sequenzer, drum pads and the best…no kontrol app needed in the daw. I found it terrible to use softsynth and always have to open it in the NI kontrol app.
You don’t have to open the Kontrol app. I make a big deal of it on the video :)
@@DomSigalasHi Dom. Sorry I think this was not what I meaned. If you open Synthmaster for example, you have to open not the VST itself, you have to open the NI plugin VST in Cubase and open Synthmaster in this. That is not what I want. You have to take the whole NI ecosystem, but I want to be free. Did you ever used a Novation SL 3?
I have one like it of 61 keys, and it is uncomfortable to play orchestral instruments, the keys are very sensitive and it is very difficult to control the touch, I would like to know your opinion on that. Thank you very much.
Great review. Did you trade in your previous NI controller or kept it...
I still have it in the second room :)
Do you know if the build quality/feel of the smaller models (S49, etc.) is the same? I don’t have space for an 88-key model but was considering a smaller model.
I haven’t tried the smaller ones unfortunately.
@@DomSigalas ok. Thanks for taking the time to reply, Dom!
Build quality is the same for S49 but it's a different keybed
The free space could also be used to place MPC drum pads.
By the way where did you buy the hoody?
Google: VHS Cassette Zip-Up Hoodie
@@avalotikeshwara6136 Thank you. I found it and ordered it straight away.
They could just take the existing MKIII versions and make a version with a set amount of good quality faders for those that really want it. If you are a professional that really use it you would pay the premium price, and pads is not gonna be happening .. people been asking for that for years, and NI want to sell you a Machine instead.
I own all the previous iterations on the S and A series which I absolutely adore, but won't be buying this version. They are advertising this like crazy still nearly a year after release so obviously think a large part of their user base hasn't understood the benefits and guessing sales are dissappointing, Lots to love about the screen, aftertouch and new Kontakt integration. However I want is a great MIDI controller first and foremost, with all the things I need such as quality sliders, plus Maschine integration, this new version fails to deliver. Would give up the premium feel immediately for these other things as whilst everyone likes better quality, the existing ones were very reasononable anyway unless a pro player. Plus another major issue is that we all know that down the line in the future they will shut off support anyway. Then unless you are happy to offload that expensive piece of kit, you're down to some hard choices with regards using older versions of software. So I'm much happier staying in the out and out MIDI controller zone and ignore some of these new ideas. It's a shame as I love their boards but it seems the game is to take you on a new money making journey with these latest products rather than give me what I really want.
I am glad NI sent you a new toy! 👌
But no, it's not the best controller....
In fact , after i bough Maschine MK3 few years ago, I promise myself to not give more money to Native Instruments.
I use Cubase and the MK3 is completely useless.
They have never add support for the MK3 to control Kontakt or Komplete Kontrol, so the only way is to use their stupid Daw or use their Daw inside Cubase as VST. A nightmare!!
Oh, and good luck on trying to sell MK3, I have mine on Reverb for about an year and nobody buys it.
Hey Pedro! So what’s your favourite controller then for composing?
Maschine wasn’t promising to have any deep integration with Cubase, I have it too.
I have sold all my old Maschines and a MK49 MKII, but honestly, if the new S88 didn’t come out I wouldn’t want to sell my MKII anyway. I haven’t found anything that matches it.
Why, not make 2 Versions one without and one with motorized faders… that could solve the “money” problem 😂
Because this would require double the resources at the factory and additional RND. It’s the number 1 reason why many companies don’t produce “dream” products.
For example, many people scream they want the CS80: the amount of people that would be able to buy this synth if Yamaha actually produced it would be so few that the costs of putting it in production line would be catastrophic and a total economic loss.
And it’s the same for many products. People say that they would definitely buy it but when they see the price they never do :)
Fantastic keyboard. But! It's too expensive for most of your subscribers😢
I have it. Married...
No 100mm Faders! Is this a joke? What does this keyboard have to do with vst orchestral samples and programs?
I’d love to see faders too. But it seems people like Junkie XL still like these keyboards even without the faders :)
Nice but i have neither the room or the budget.
NI has gone the Apple way - trying to give less and charge more. Better get Akai anyday better - with touchscreen.
And another one of those paid influencer advertisement videos about the KK MK3. Not a single word about negatives, like missing Maschine support, worse DAW control compared to MK2, less buttons than MK2 and all those firmware upgrade issues people had. The overall consensus about this product on the internet is mainly negative. But that doesn't stop influencers making ads for it.
Well that's the good old world of our heroes
He did mention what needs to be improved.
First!
No its not, cause until DAW software designers really up their game - basically go back to the drawing board in terms of implantation of music techniques and expression like staccato, legato, accents, dynamics, crescendos etc and making all these plugins work much better with DAW software then its all still a pain in the arse for the composer
Half synth half piano
No faders... So straight away not the best.
Insane right?
Insane right?
The software updates for komplete kontrol discretely forced onto everyone via native access for this new hardware have been a disaster so far. Going from 32bit to 64 bit causing huge amounts of latency (forcing u to up the sample rate to over 512 from a previously happy 128) whilst making amendments for this hardware. Not to mention Maschine integration was binned off. Let’s just hope the new positives out way the old model like better keybed quality the keys get sticky sometimes on the old model (friday units probably) similar bed to arturia keylab 88, these new keys are poly after touch. Kontakt 7 has debug logging turned on by default smashing your disks to pieces. They need to provide customer the option to turn that off.😂
@@wilkopianohey there. How do you disable the K7 debug logging?
They appear to be virtual, but stil...
No its not , Akai Mpc keys is a lot better