I have consulted the Prime Radiant. There will be a 3rd season... but only if you like and subscribe 😂😂 Foundation Season 1 Ending Explained: czcams.com/video/S40H6eClxyc/video.htmlsi=2Bc8c2RfZ3sI0mdx
the mule is going to be tallems consciousness after bouncing around a bit. that b word is disturbed, out to kill the normies and pissed she isn't the leader any longer.
Nope, I don’t think so. Two years ago Apple announced there will be a second season even before episode 4 of season 1 was released. The second season is complete for over a week and still no announcement for a third. I think this is for the best. The story lines about the Genetic Dynastic was really interesting, but the rest of this show was utter garbage. Mostly bad actors, nonsensical story lines and plot twists that apparently some 5 year old had written, when they were drunk. They should cancel this shit, so Isaac Asimov doesn‘t have to spin in his grave anymore.
I honestly didn't think I'd get back into any Sci Fi after Raised by Wolves was cancelled but this has restored my faith that there can be another fantastic show! This series just continues to get better every episode and the performances are epic! Demerzel is by far my favourite and I'm heartbroken for her and hope S3 she can finally get the freedom she truly craves. Brilliant ending, absolutely brilliant 👏👏👏
Oh, Raised by Wolves is dead? Not sure how I feel about that, it was a interresting show but it certainly triggerd many awful feelings. This show however I am glad I have found, while I am also irked here a little by the science turning into religion angle. The ending thankfully got no nuance of that except maybe the Hari-1 Deaus-Ex machina of saving everyone on the planet. Just not Hober and the Boyfriend, sadly out of reach I guess.
the Wolves series had a good 1st season, the 2nd season had poor writers have the characters stuck on the planet the whole time!it quickly got Westworlditis, by the story never leaving the place and characters fighting/helping each other the time they had left!
@@cinnamonstar808season 1 is meh season 2 improved by alot i loved how they humanized demerzel even more and gaal and foundation storyline also got good and finally Dawn got happy ending
I’m a big fan of Asimov’s 7-book Foundation series. I’ve read it many times. I’ve also seen podcast interviews of Goyer. Goyer’s show is not following the books very closely. He has chosen to change quite a few of Asimov’s characters, plots twists, and scenes. So I don’t think telling you what the books contain is “spoiling” the show.
Read the books years and years ago and this adaptation is great. While trying to sometimes fit too much to too little time (in my opinion), it still works and I love it. The latter half of season 2 was just excellent (Have to mention that my countrywoman Finnish Laura Birn as the android 'Eto Demerzel' really shines and makes the character believable.)
Agree whole heartedly about Laura Birn. Her "facial" acting is without a doubt the most emotive and telling of any actor I have ever seen. Her expressions, as subtle as they are, are not for her fellow characters to engage with as they are for us the audience to glimpse into one of the most complex and (I believe) sentient characters of the show.
@@kirgan1000 People like you think that an adaptation can only be good if it's faithful to the source material. People like you are also IGNORANT of the fact that even Isaac Asimov himself determined that his works would and could never be faithfully adapated to the live action screen - primarily because of how he wrote them, which he greatly regretted because he loved live action adaption of written sci-fi works. (He told David Letterman this in an interview he did on the Tonight show in 1982). People like you are also IGNORANT of the fact that one of the co-creators of the show and its Executive producer is Robyn Asimov, who is Isaac Asimov's daughter, and who helped him write the final books he wrote before he died, and who might know a thing or two about what he would have liked see in a live action adaptation. Nobody's forcing you to watch this show; if you don't like it, don't watch it. Stop torturing yourself and boring the rest of us with this sort of incessant childish whining. It's tiresome. It's been almost 2 seasons now. How long does it take you to figure out that you don't like something and therefore you shouldn't be watching it anymore?
Since you’ve read the books, can you please give full spoilers to as to what happens next? Please please please! You can give a spoiler warning. I need to know and don’t wanna have to wait a year. Please don’t say read the books. Thank you.
@@kirgan1000Horrible adaptation is an understatement. They blow up Terminus at the end of the season. So this show blows up basically the main character as Terminus is Foundation.
I've enjoyed this series way more than I expected back when it began. It's the best scifi available these days & your reviews have been so helpful to understand it all. Thanks you, Think Story! 🖖
It is a thinking mans sci-fi. That is why it is so good. Not just spectacular CGI and action scenes. This season was better than the first and the finale was A1.
@@Vile_Entity_3545 The Foundation books were a thinking man's sci fi. The show is very much pew pew pew. NONE of the Seldon's crises are supposed to be solved by violence. In stark contrast to the books, the show already managed to do a Exterminatus on planet Terminus before the Mule even showed up and feels MUCH more like GoT in space.
Really? I‘m surprised anyone liked this garbage show. Besides the Genetic Dynasty plot line, the entire show was utter trash. Mostly bad actors, boring storylines and nonsensical plot twists. Critics don‘t like it and the watching numbers seem to be very poor. Apple won‘t pick this show up for another season.
@@paralytaatylarap9715one of the best sci fiction series out there…there is a third season coming out on Apple next year and btw producers and writers don’t care what critics say lmao
The Mule: "I saw her again. She visited me in a thousand dreams. Now she's here ... in our time ... at my throat. I have to find Gaal Dornick ... before she finds me. I have to destroy her ... even if I have to burn everything to do it." The Mule sounds scared (and angry at/hateful) of Gaal. Those "thousand dreams" (of Gaal) seem to be nightmares for the Mule. The Mule had those dreams before that scene, before he said "Now she's here ... in our time", before Gaal waking up in the Mule's time period. My guess is that the situation is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Gaal wakes up from cryo-sleep from time to time to train the mentalics, help build the Second Foundation, and prepare for the Mule. During her waking time, Gaal projects her consciousness into the future to look for (information about) the Mule. The man who will become the Mule, who is also a strong telepath, passively detects Gaal's consciousness projections as dreams. The man who will become the Mule saw in his dreams that there is this person called Gaal and an organization called the Second Foundation that are preparing to fight him. This man then tried to gain as much power as he can and became the Mule in order to fight Gaal and her Second Foundation.
Yea it should be something along those lines. With some extra tv drama added in. Like he was born on 2nd foundation to the young tatted blonde girl before being uplifted to a life of hardship haunted by dreams of Gaal over the years, or he's the son of Hober or Dawn etc. If he wasnt talking to someone in the last scene he could be like Tellum. Someone who has jumped and consumed many minds over the years.
F this jedi master Gaal Dornick crap I waited DECADES to see my childhood heroine Bayta Darell face off against the Mule. And I don't need to be Harry Seldon to predict this show turning into every single Asimov adaptation so far - a souless cash grab by people that never read the original IP much further than the book cover.
Personally, I think that was the biggest gap in the storyline, it was not clear. Your assumption that _'Gaal wakes up from cryo-sleep from time to time to train the mentalics"_ was 1 theory she discussed with Hari, but the also discussed waiting 1 YEAR and training the mentalics before going into cryo. So, which 1 is it?? Did they wait a year, or have Gaal wake up from cryo over 150 years?? I was sad this was left entirely UNEXPLAINED!! 😠
Time travel shenanigans created the mule, so this character was cursed before it was born. Cursed by its own powers, to always be pulled towards a horrible fate for itself and everyone around it, chained to destiny always.
well considering the show does another 150 year jump,does it even matter if they kill them>?it would be stupid to have every favorite character in cryo,its enough that the terminator is immortal and the 3 guys playing cleon are always around
The manipulated Cleon clone did not have different coloured eyes, he was colour blind (hence the big reveal with the hidden birds in Dusk's mural). BIG difference.
Foundation and Empire were part of a connected series of great stories along with the Robot series such as I Robot. They take place in the same universe.
I always enjoy your reviews/recaps and takes of every shows. I thought you would never gonna go for foundation. Looking forward for season 3 and always looking forward for your reviews.
Lee Pace went all out, I was watching the ending saying, this is crazy!!! I also feel like at the end of every season Hari is explaining out a long convoluted plan that goes on for ages lol.
Good actors carrying a terrible adaptation. All they had to do was follow the books with miner up to date storytelling. All they have is good actors running around on macguffin journeys for no reason.
End of season 2 FOUNDATION so great DEMERZEL the best character at the same time affecting his program forces him to make questionable choices to preserve the Empire. I didn't expect SALVOR to die! Hari and Gaal are dormant and we will find them again for season 3.
I feel that the second season and particularly the last 3-episodes where a lot better than the first season. Having read the books, I had to accept the series as its own entterprise.
Not sure where you got that it had only been a couple of hours from the destruction of terminus to Constant being saved. The cleaning module had enough breathable air to last about a day, and by the time Constant was picked up the O2 was almost out. So it was at least almost a day
Cleon I did Demerzel so dirty. Not only did he remove Demerzel's ability to grow and evolve which is a foundational part of being alive, he also removed the Empire's ability to grow and evolve all because he couldn't stand the idea of the universe moving on without him, so he just made sure everything and everyone was just stuck.
Just finished season 2 - this is the best thing since The Expanse.. the Star Wars series writers need to take a good long look at these two series, on how to construct great characters with an amazing, deep story!
I was hoping you would be explaining each episode individually, but this is fine I guess, very sad what happened to terminus, this is by far one of my favorite sci fi shows after the expanse
This episode had so many positive developments but you want to know what made me absolutely furious? There was a moving and elaborate funeral for Salvor but what about poor Josiah? I loved that character and he deserved to be remembered/honored just as much as Salvor. Good thing Hari and Gaal didn’t need The Beggar to get off planet ‘cause it still had a massive hole in the hull, right? Finally, a big thank you to the writers who gave us, “Beki’s arsehole!” P.S. So “The Mule” has distinctive and familiar blue eyes…
I think there was a very specific reason they didn’t show a funeral for josiah or at least his body, and I believe it’s connected to your last sentence here. Mark my words he may not be the mule but he absolutely is back in the next season, they showed him so specifically in so many shots, along with the new blonde girl who was apparently their new spokesperson?
The prime radiant is a back door for outliers, prime radiant #1 is with hari and Gail on a world of outliers so all they gotta do is spy on Demerzel with her being none the wiser.
Season 2 was a banger, and it's good to see YOU cover it, if only for the last episode. Episode 9 was brilliant working off the brilliance of episode 8 before it, but I felt the Finale jumped the shark, where they cheated in the story so much on every storyline nothing means anything, I'll refer to this episode as the Deus Ex Machina Everywhere All The Time You Don't Have To Watch Anything Nothing Matters episode from now on, I found my eyes rolling into the back of my head so much all episode and I think I actually said blech out loud to my empty room. Also this show made the switch into Science Fantasy from Science Fiction with the introduction of the Mentalics, which is also kind of a bummer, when you can use your mind to throw people across the room, it's Force time in the Imperium Baby!
They said there was about 2 days worth of oxygen in constants spacecraft, and by the time she was picked up by Hari Seldon / vault, her oxygen levels were almost depleted, so it wasn't just a few hours she had been floating around for, probably closer to a 40+ hours.
I know it is soooooo stooopid. Like shoving someone into a floating coffin with (edit)48h of air in the middle of endless empty space is much muuuuch crueler than just putting a bullet through their skull. I think the director was going for the Titanic life raft feeling to the scene and ignored ALL of the logic or how reality works in general.
@@GK-cb3vc with a bullet through the head, you have 0% chance of survival, being shot out into space, you'd have more than 0% chance of survival (though possibly being rescued)? also, maybe she had a gun with her just incase she didn't want to die by suffocation... either way, Hobor Malo, or the captain said there was a chance someone may rescue her in space. I kinda wished everyone died, ep 9 went from a 9/10 to a 8.5/10...
@@finpark7785 Yeah that is just lazy writting then. You are faaar to generous for me it was 6.5/10 and below. Such a weird scene too. Everyone sentenced to death on a flip of a coin and yet no rioting, no mass panic, nobody tried to take Constant's place, the entire fleet was apparently made up of french people going "c'est la vie" and having a bottle of fine wine while commenting on the taste of Beki's arsehole as they go to meet their maker. That is just not how people do. For a show that is supposed to be about science of behaviour of large groups of people, that is precisely where I would say they completely missed the mark.
@@GK-cb3vc I was actually thinking about this today, wtf happened to everyone else on the ship??? They must have also known about the maintenance ship... yea I thought about that at like 4 in the morning, it really bothered me. My rating for ep 9 is closer to a 7... I really hate the fact that everyone on Terminus survived (I've also never read the book, I suppose if I did, I would have expected it), that scene was so emotionally weighted, especially with Poly and Constant's parents bringing everyone back just pretty much undid everything I experienced, I'm wondering how this will affect my experience going forward with season 3. Still my fav show, so, whatever, solid performances all around, for the most part.
Looks like the bulk of empire ships have been destroyed and now they don’t have any spacers. Who will feed the people if they are free and can’t control the empire without ships.
Great points! Also: Cloud Dominion with Dawn and Seraph's blood line is Imperial competition; Foundation is the eminent power by providing whisper ships & tech; spacers are a new powerful faction; mentalics are levelling up. Going to be nuts!
For some reason, I'm just reminded of one of the bits in the old Dinosaurs sitcom, where the Mr. Science proxy just keeps going through assistants. Just replace Timmy with Cleon
I think Demerzel did not kill Conjoiner Rue and Dusk, On her way out she locked the cell back behind her. If she killed them she would have no reason to lock it back up
@@killerkazi78 So locking them up doesn’t break her rules of not harming a human? Is she evolving? She just up and went away and told Empire that I’ve got better things to do. Have I uncovered a plot hole? Has she been manipulating Empire for centuries to bring a new robot war? Hows it in the books? I don’t mind spoilers. Also, what’s The Mule?
@@killerkazi78 What are his ambitions? What does he want? The Infinity Gauntlet and snap his fingers? How does the book end (the main series books on which this show is based)? Are you guys ok with the books being different than the series? Or are you all like Harry Potter fans, who just kept complaining and now their series is dead?
Damn this season was a very big leap from the first one. Loved both. I don't think there was a weak link in season 2 in comparison to season 1. This is storytelling and creativity at its finest
Loved it, haven’t read the books and to be honest I didn’t know was a book adaptation, either way I’m stoked for the third season, hands down one of the best sci-fi series, the symbolism and story line has a lot of Gnostic teachings in it, I’ll have to read the read the books🤙🏽⚡️
Monarch has likely brought many new subscribers to Apple TV, such as myself. I found Foundation and was immediately hooked. I love that it respects the intelligence of it's audience and is giving us a very complex layered story.
The real mule is telem. Manipulation same way, same unassuming character. Whoever they call the Mule in the future has nothing to do with the mule of the books
Demerzel was able to kill Brother Dusk because she's always been able to kill the Cleon clones. The chip that Cleon I inserted in her prevented her from causing harm to ONLY him, not necessarily the other Cleons. She's already killed a Cleon that we've seen. She killed the Brother Dawn of last season who had been compromised and betrayed by that group when she snapped his neck. And the fact that she's had to decant Clones several times before suggests that some of those that had to be replaced by the decanted clones was because she had deemed them defective and had had to kill them herself. If she determines that a clone is defective, her programming allows her to kill them and replace them as needs be.
I don’t understand why the guards, on Trantor, were obedient to Demerzel and not Dawn. Did they know that the Cleons were just puppets all along? Were the Cleons the only ones who didn’t know?
I feel like The Mule is from Brother Constant’s lineage. Similar blue eyes to Constant’s from what little we’ve seen of him, and may be in search of the Second Foundation to reunite with “his people” & take down Gaal & Empire both with said people/knowledge from it. He could also be a new Android or Demerzel herself if she is able to “fix” any of the blocks in place that inhibited certain functionality or more like her from being created (as she was the last of her kind from what we know). Gaal may be the only one with the knowledge to keep Androids from reigning over the galaxy. Just a few thoughts…
I Hope Goyer’s show makes The Mule a unique character from another world as he is in the books. No need to make him a descendant of anyone we’ve already seen.
It's amazing how they made Demerzel,a character with quite a sinister agenda (not by choice),a character you can't help root for. In that scene with Sareth when she menacingly says "i serve Empire" i was like "YEAH,don't mess with Demerzel"
Literally just watching this season for the empire plot, the actorz and writing in it is good. Once the empire is gone, I'm not sure if I'll continue watching
It is interesting that the Mule is a powerful telepath and that’s probably why he conquers so much of the galaxy. We see how powerful they are during episodes 9 & 10. However, maybe the Mule ends up taking control of the telepathic army (Foundation #2) and uses it to conquer some time before the flash forward. I bet the Mule is Tellum and she jumped to that blond girl that they lingered on so much in that scene where Gale and Hari were frozen. "Mule" being a beast of burden and the "carrier" of the consciousnesses that is just full of rage against Gale (hence all the destruction). Conquering half of the Universe maybe Tellum manipulates they dynasty and somehow Demerzel must flee to the "small" kingdom that Day and Sareth started. Their offspring now being the only remaining genetic remnants of Cleon I. Maybe Day and Sereth got the foundation to help to make them powerful enough to not be destroyed, or at least be hidden, from Empire for 150 yrs. With Foundation (#1) there to help technologically, Demerzel having fled, is ultimately copied (uneasily) to combat the unstoppable telepathic army that the Mule (Tellum) commands. Unstoppable for humans. But, since the Robots are not affected by the telepathy, they easily overcome the Army and bring peace. Now with the Robots and new Empire Hari simply states that the 1000 years is about to begin and the Robots rise up again and ultimately defeated again and we are all back where we started from....😂😅 That's my prediction. I failed to talk about the Prime Radiant in the possession of Demerzel but y'know it probably just comes down to not being able to connect with it on the level that a human can and therefore she misses some key piece of information that allows the Mule to conquer the Trantor and half of the Empire destroying Cleons there.
Cleon's death was particularly satisfying. Hoping those many people's shadows on the Prime Radiant are all those from the destroyed spaceships, including Riose.
This maybe an unpopular take, but I miss being told, “Daddy loves you very much“ at the end of each video since… you know… mine hasn’t come back from looking for his favorite tobacco and tobacco accessories.
Salvor Hardin is a dude, a politician that carries the foundation through the first Seldon crisis. His story ends after that. He is not a Warden of any sort, Gaal Dornic is not his dad (Gaal is also a dude btw), he is not a jedi master mentalist and never fires a rifle in the entire story. The show has NOTHING in common with the books and is basically like comparing Rings of Power to the LotR books. Not trying to crap on you for liking the show, good on you if you do.
Since there is definitely at least one newborn in the picture, and possibly two, could the mule possibly be one of these children, or the offspring of the children?
The empire still can build _"slow ships"_ which do travel faster than light by quite a bit. According to the show, The Raven slow ship traveled 50,000 ly in 1,878 days (to Termnius). So 50,000 ly / 1878 days = 26.62 ly / day 26.63 ly / 24 hours = 1.11 ly / hour 9,716 light days / day 233,191 light hours / hour 13.99m light minutes / minute 839.5m light seconds / second 839.5x million times the speed of light is actually faster than StarTrek warp factor 9.9, but slower than StarWars fastest ships. That will certainly slow empire down a lot but its only a matter of time before they replicate Foundation jump tech OR they figure out other warp speed methods.
Apart from setting up a nice finale, I have to wonder why the spacers needed the wrist of an ugly bag of mostly water to deliver their plan. Clearly the spacer mother could instantly communicate with She-Bends-Light in the earlier episode.
I have read the books more than one time. It was 20 years ago. But I love them. And there is more. Asimov has written about robots a lot and although there is no robot in the foundation, not that I remember. The authors of the show weaved many of the other stories inside. And that is good.
I don't mind the extra Asimov I agree with the Demerzel storyline. However I do VERY MUCH mind the Arthur C Clarke (Empire is the Makenzie dinasty from "Imperial Earth"), Dr Who (the Vault is all of a sudden a Tardis like "all powerfull, much bigger on the inside" type vessel operated by DOCTOR Seldon) and Star Wars (the evil empire vs plucky rebels pew pew pew action with mentalics just straight up jedi force pushing and throwing folks about using telekinetic powers) they sprinkled in. Also the Hober/Candence sex scene was the most awkwardly cringe thing I saw since Anakin Skywalker complained to Padme about the sand in his butt crack. It all made this particular Asimov fan just fast forward through the season 2 finale because it was quite frankly predictable and boring as f.
@@constancevigilance8696 Lol he didn't inspire them most are completely different subgenre. Asimov hated violence and minimized it's role in most of his work. Compare it to Apple TV where it looks more like Warhammer 40k just non-stop massacre.
@@GK-cb3vc But although he maybe hated violence in general, he was famous for grabbing women. And because of that I love the fact that some of his male characters are female in the show.
@@constancevigilance8696 Yeah suppose there is poetic justice in gender swapping when it comes to his work. Personaly I enjoy a mixed cast and balanced storyline much more than all male or female. That is why I my favourite part of the Foundation book series is the Mule. Think about it, a true unstopable monster that wanted the entire galaxy for himself. Was it some kind of super weapon that took him out? Nope. Apple TVs telekinetic jedi mentalists? Not a peep. Hari Seldon's psychohistory? Laughable. It was an ordinary woman's kindness, wisdom and intuition that brought him to his knees. I would watch that play out over and over again 100x but what I fear we will get next season is a "Hari Potter vs Woldemort in space" red lightning vs green lightning shoving contest between all powerfull all knowing Gaal and whatever paper tiger the show decides to feed her in 2024. All good if people fancy it but I still wanted to see my childhood heroine, Bayta Darell. No fancy mentalics or jedi powers. Just a regular woman.
What do I think? I think that Day's orgasmic face blowing up Terminus needs to be a meme ^^ Also, Demerzel's fist pump earlier this season ^^ Love the show. Can't wait for S3 ^^
Had this show been an original, I probably would have enjoyed it. As it is, a supposedly adaptation of the Foundation book series, it left a bitter taste in my mouth. It completely missed the point of Foundation, as if the only thing the writers took from the source material is the names.
The crazy shit that I realized around the end of this season is that I am watching a tragic fairly tale where these human characters evolve on a galactic scale through, space and time to ascend through godhood to wage a war that too will eventually become tales of a past long forgotten from the same human species that may be saved.
Hmm i did consider that. Tho Constances dad was still limping/leaning on his husband and winced when she hugged him so i dunno. They prob been in the 4D vault for a day or two.
This show is a Warning to HBO Showtime and Disney Apple TV is coming strong they just need the time we know they have the money to Compete. They can afford to keep a show going until it blows up that sometimes can take 3 or 4 season. I feel this show will Blow up next season. And Now it's only $5.00 a month for the service which isn't bad at all for the quality of shows.
I believe the prime radiant uploads a copy of it consciousness when you enter it meaning it would have a copy of all the people of terminus including Salvor Hardin are cloneable.
Eto Demerzel (as a male: R Daneel Olivaw) is coming from Aurora, one of the first 50 spacer world (heaven like conditions) when Earth was inhabited as an overpopulated unpleasant "caves of steel". Eventually after the great Sack of the empire, this synthetic humanoid will make a nice Headquarter on Earths moon. Living in solitary and sipping hot motor oil and wait until a very flashy spaceship delivers a few strange visitors who were in search of the lost Earth. Unfortunately good old Earth is not in the condition to receive visitors anytime soon.
I have consulted the Prime Radiant. There will be a 3rd season... but only if you like and subscribe 😂😂
Foundation Season 1 Ending Explained: czcams.com/video/S40H6eClxyc/video.htmlsi=2Bc8c2RfZ3sI0mdx
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the mule is going to be tallems consciousness after bouncing around a bit.
that b word is disturbed, out to kill the normies and pissed she isn't the leader any longer.
Nope, I don’t think so.
Two years ago Apple announced there will be a second season even before episode 4 of season 1 was released.
The second season is complete for over a week and still no announcement for a third.
I think this is for the best.
The story lines about the Genetic Dynastic was really interesting, but the rest of this show was utter garbage. Mostly bad actors, nonsensical story lines and plot twists that apparently some 5 year old had written, when they were drunk.
They should cancel this shit, so Isaac Asimov doesn‘t have to spin in his grave anymore.
@@paralytaatylarap9715why is it that when every you guys don’t like something you assume that the creator doesn’t like it
Not how the prime radiant works, it's not a magical thing, stop believing whatever the hell Apple is vomiting on Asimov's grave
Demrazel and Cleon are the best caracter so far, the empire plot is so good.
Hober mellow for me he was a breath of fresh air
I honestly didn't think I'd get back into any Sci Fi after Raised by Wolves was cancelled but this has restored my faith that there can be another fantastic show! This series just continues to get better every episode and the performances are epic! Demerzel is by far my favourite and I'm heartbroken for her and hope S3 she can finally get the freedom she truly craves. Brilliant ending, absolutely brilliant 👏👏👏
Oh, Raised by Wolves is dead? Not sure how I feel about that, it was a interresting show but it certainly triggerd many awful feelings. This show however I am glad I have found, while I am also irked here a little by the science turning into religion angle. The ending thankfully got no nuance of that except maybe the Hari-1 Deaus-Ex machina of saving everyone on the planet. Just not Hober and the Boyfriend, sadly out of reach I guess.
the Wolves series had a good 1st season, the 2nd season had poor writers have the characters stuck on the planet the whole time!it quickly got Westworlditis, by the story never leaving the place and characters fighting/helping each other the time they had left!
Raise by wolves was great ..
Yup - RBW was awesome and I cancelled my HBO subs as a result. Investing time in a story that gets axed is jarring alright.
Please don’t remind me of raised by wolves cancelation 🥲😭😭😭🤧, i was beyond pissed , canceled my HBO max subscription since than .
I hav been reading Foundation for 50 years and love the books. I have also come to love this show. Greatly looking forward to season 3 and beyond.
Really. No insight.
@@cinnamonstar808season 1 is meh season 2 improved by alot i loved how they humanized demerzel even more and gaal and foundation storyline also got good and finally Dawn got happy ending
Can you please tell me about the robot on the moon pls🥺🥺🥺🥺
Since you’ve read the books, can you please give full spoilers to as to what happens next? Please please please! You can give a spoiler warning.
I’m a big fan of Asimov’s 7-book Foundation series. I’ve read it many times. I’ve also seen podcast interviews of Goyer. Goyer’s show is not following the books very closely. He has chosen to change quite a few of Asimov’s characters, plots twists, and scenes. So I don’t think telling you what the books contain is “spoiling” the show.
Read the books years and years ago and this adaptation is great. While trying to sometimes fit too much to too little time (in my opinion), it still works and I love it. The latter half of season 2 was just excellent
(Have to mention that my countrywoman Finnish Laura Birn as the android 'Eto Demerzel' really shines and makes the character believable.)
Agree whole heartedly about Laura Birn. Her "facial" acting is without a doubt the most emotive and telling of any actor I have ever seen. Her expressions, as subtle as they are, are not for her fellow characters to engage with as they are for us the audience to glimpse into one of the most complex and (I believe) sentient characters of the show.
It can be a great show, but its a horribel adaption.
@@kirgan1000
People like you think that an adaptation can only be good if it's faithful to the source material.
People like you are also IGNORANT of the fact that even Isaac Asimov himself determined that his works would and could never be faithfully adapated to the live action screen - primarily because of how he wrote them, which he greatly regretted because he loved live action adaption of written sci-fi works. (He told David Letterman this in an interview he did on the Tonight show in 1982).
People like you are also IGNORANT of the fact that one of the co-creators of the show and its Executive producer is Robyn Asimov, who is Isaac Asimov's daughter, and who helped him write the final books he wrote before he died, and who might know a thing or two about what he would have liked see in a live action adaptation.
Nobody's forcing you to watch this show; if you don't like it, don't watch it.
Stop torturing yourself and boring the rest of us with this sort of incessant childish whining.
It's tiresome.
It's been almost 2 seasons now.
How long does it take you to figure out that you don't like something and therefore you shouldn't be watching it anymore?
Since you’ve read the books, can you please give full spoilers to as to what happens next? Please please please! You can give a spoiler warning. I need to know and don’t wanna have to wait a year. Please don’t say read the books. Thank you.
@@kirgan1000Horrible adaptation is an understatement. They blow up Terminus at the end of the season. So this show blows up basically the main character as Terminus is Foundation.
I've enjoyed this series way more than I expected back when it began. It's the best scifi available these days & your reviews have been so helpful to understand it all.
Thanks you, Think Story! 🖖
It is a thinking mans sci-fi. That is why it is so good. Not just spectacular CGI and action scenes. This season was better than the first and the finale was A1.
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The Foundation books were a thinking man's sci fi. The show is very much pew pew pew.
NONE of the Seldon's crises are supposed to be solved by violence.
In stark contrast to the books, the show already managed to do a Exterminatus on planet Terminus before the Mule even showed up and feels MUCH more like GoT in space.
Really? I‘m surprised anyone liked this garbage show.
Besides the Genetic Dynasty plot line, the entire show was utter trash.
Mostly bad actors, boring storylines and nonsensical plot twists.
Critics don‘t like it and the watching numbers seem to be very poor.
Apple won‘t pick this show up for another season.
@@paralytaatylarap9715one of the best sci fiction series out there…there is a third season coming out on Apple next year and btw producers and writers don’t care what critics say lmao
The Mule: "I saw her again. She visited me in a thousand dreams. Now she's here ... in our time ... at my throat. I have to find Gaal Dornick ... before she finds me. I have to destroy her ... even if I have to burn everything to do it." The Mule sounds scared (and angry at/hateful) of Gaal. Those "thousand dreams" (of Gaal) seem to be nightmares for the Mule. The Mule had those dreams before that scene, before he said "Now she's here ... in our time", before Gaal waking up in the Mule's time period. My guess is that the situation is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Gaal wakes up from cryo-sleep from time to time to train the mentalics, help build the Second Foundation, and prepare for the Mule. During her waking time, Gaal projects her consciousness into the future to look for (information about) the Mule. The man who will become the Mule, who is also a strong telepath, passively detects Gaal's consciousness projections as dreams. The man who will become the Mule saw in his dreams that there is this person called Gaal and an organization called the Second Foundation that are preparing to fight him. This man then tried to gain as much power as he can and became the Mule in order to fight Gaal and her Second Foundation.
I want this theory to be true!
Yea it should be something along those lines. With some extra tv drama added in. Like he was born on 2nd foundation to the young tatted blonde girl before being uplifted to a life of hardship haunted by dreams of Gaal over the years, or he's the son of Hober or Dawn etc.
If he wasnt talking to someone in the last scene he could be like Tellum. Someone who has jumped and consumed many minds over the years.
F this jedi master Gaal Dornick crap I waited DECADES to see my childhood heroine Bayta Darell face off against the Mule.
And I don't need to be Harry Seldon to predict this show turning into every single Asimov adaptation so far - a souless cash grab by people that never read the original IP much further than the book cover.
Personally, I think that was the biggest gap in the storyline, it was not clear. Your assumption that _'Gaal wakes up from cryo-sleep from time to time to train the mentalics"_ was 1 theory she discussed with Hari, but the also discussed waiting 1 YEAR and training the mentalics before going into cryo. So, which 1 is it?? Did they wait a year, or have Gaal wake up from cryo over 150 years?? I was sad this was left entirely UNEXPLAINED!! 😠
Time travel shenanigans created the mule, so this character was cursed before it was born.
Cursed by its own powers, to always be pulled towards a horrible fate for itself and everyone around it, chained to destiny always.
So many deaths of good heroic characters, the bad too. So many twists and turns especially Demerzal’s diabolical plan. Can’t wait for third season.
literally nobody dies by the extras the whole season come on
well considering the show does another 150 year jump,does it even matter if they kill them>?it would be stupid to have every favorite character in cryo,its enough that the terminator is immortal and the 3 guys playing cleon are always around
The manipulated Cleon clone did not have different coloured eyes, he was colour blind (hence the big reveal with the hidden birds in Dusk's mural). BIG difference.
Indeed. Differently colored eyes would be nearly impossible for him to hide.
Foundation and Empire were part of a connected series of great stories along with the Robot series such as I Robot. They take place in the same universe.
This show is a gem-one of my favorites in sci-fi. I am looking forward to season 3.
Demerzel is the only empire. He left it to her. The clones are not pure …and I don’t blame her for keeping guard.
Of course you shouldn't blame Demerzel for her programming. Blame Cleon I if anyone must be blamed.
I always enjoy your reviews/recaps and takes of every shows. I thought you would never gonna go for foundation. Looking forward for season 3 and always looking forward for your reviews.
Lee Pace went all out, I was watching the ending saying, this is crazy!!! I also feel like at the end of every season Hari is explaining out a long convoluted plan that goes on for ages lol.
Good actors carrying a terrible adaptation. All they had to do was follow the books with miner up to date storytelling. All they have is good actors running around on macguffin journeys for no reason.
Bro i did NOT expect Terminus to just get absolutely annihilated
It never was in the novels, but this show is NOTHING like the novels...which surprised me as Isaac Asimov's daughter is one of the contributors.
End of season 2 FOUNDATION so great DEMERZEL the best character at the same time affecting his program forces him to make questionable choices to preserve the Empire.
I didn't expect SALVOR to die! Hari and Gaal are dormant and we will find them again for season 3.
Why you calling her, him?
Awesome review this show as well as invasion are great sci Fi shows
I suspect Demerzel is the one to have edited Cleon's DNA, allowing her greater control over (and the ability to freely kill) the clones.
Day. Would be perfect as The SENTRY. In Marvel movies. He’s just crazy enough.
I feel that the second season and particularly the last 3-episodes where a lot better than the first season. Having read the books, I had to accept the series as its own entterprise.
Agreed. Last 3 episodes were bangers.
Not sure where you got that it had only been a couple of hours from the destruction of terminus to Constant being saved. The cleaning module had enough breathable air to last about a day, and by the time Constant was picked up the O2 was almost out. So it was at least almost a day
Cleon I did Demerzel so dirty. Not only did he remove Demerzel's ability to grow and evolve which is a foundational part of being alive, he also removed the Empire's ability to grow and evolve all because he couldn't stand the idea of the universe moving on without him, so he just made sure everything and everyone was just stuck.
Demerzel is a many millennia old advanced robot, it is not "alive"....
I hope the series keeps going
Just finished season 2 - this is the best thing since The Expanse.. the Star Wars series writers need to take a good long look at these two series, on how to construct great characters with an amazing, deep story!
Watching this show makes me wish Raised by Wolves had been picked up by Apple, instead of HBO MAX.
Wow, it was epic!
I think that Demerzel created the mule she now has access to “the plan”
❤ not bad.
I was really disappointed by the invictus. I expected more from since it was referred to as the greatest weapon created by empire
It was neutralized by a few fighters. So much for that.
I was hoping you would be explaining each episode individually, but this is fine I guess, very sad what happened to terminus, this is by far one of my favorite sci fi shows after the expanse
This episode had so many positive developments but you want to know what made me absolutely furious? There was a moving and elaborate funeral for Salvor but what about poor Josiah? I loved that character and he deserved to be remembered/honored just as much as Salvor. Good thing Hari and Gaal didn’t need The Beggar to get off planet ‘cause it still had a massive hole in the hull, right? Finally, a big thank you to the writers who gave us, “Beki’s arsehole!” P.S. So “The Mule” has distinctive and familiar blue eyes…
I think there was a very specific reason they didn’t show a funeral for josiah or at least his body, and I believe it’s connected to your last sentence here. Mark my words he may not be the mule but he absolutely is back in the next season, they showed him so specifically in so many shots, along with the new blonde girl who was apparently their new spokesperson?
@@Looshingtonyep i felt he could be the mule throughout the season, but i dismissed it once he died. maybe he comes back and is the mule, who knows
Every EP was great for me this season
Best season of tv I’ve ever seen. The sci fi equivalent of Breaking Bad or The Wire
It's good, but I wouldn't say The Wire good.
I cannot wait how Demerzel will use the Prime Radiant
she must have observed how Hari activates the Radian 🔶️
The prime radiant is a back door for outliers, prime radiant #1 is with hari and Gail on a world of outliers so all they gotta do is spy on Demerzel with her being none the wiser.
One of the best shows on tv and glad that you reviewed this season.
Season 2 was a banger, and it's good to see YOU cover it, if only for the last episode. Episode 9 was brilliant working off the brilliance of episode 8 before it, but I felt the Finale jumped the shark, where they cheated in the story so much on every storyline nothing means anything, I'll refer to this episode as the Deus Ex Machina Everywhere All The Time You Don't Have To Watch Anything Nothing Matters episode from now on, I found my eyes rolling into the back of my head so much all episode and I think I actually said blech out loud to my empty room. Also this show made the switch into Science Fantasy from Science Fiction with the introduction of the Mentalics, which is also kind of a bummer, when you can use your mind to throw people across the room, it's Force time in the Imperium Baby!
They said there was about 2 days worth of oxygen in constants spacecraft, and by the time she was picked up by Hari Seldon / vault, her oxygen levels were almost depleted, so it wasn't just a few hours she had been floating around for, probably closer to a 40+ hours.
I know it is soooooo stooopid.
Like shoving someone into a floating coffin with (edit)48h of air in the middle of endless empty space is much muuuuch crueler than just putting a bullet through their skull.
I think the director was going for the Titanic life raft feeling to the scene and ignored ALL of the logic or how reality works in general.
@@GK-cb3vc with a bullet through the head, you have 0% chance of survival, being shot out into space, you'd have more than 0% chance of survival (though possibly being rescued)? also, maybe she had a gun with her just incase she didn't want to die by suffocation... either way, Hobor Malo, or the captain said there was a chance someone may rescue her in space.
I kinda wished everyone died, ep 9 went from a 9/10 to a 8.5/10...
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Yeah that is just lazy writting then. You are faaar to generous for me it was 6.5/10 and below.
Such a weird scene too.
Everyone sentenced to death on a flip of a coin and yet no rioting, no mass panic, nobody tried to take Constant's place, the entire fleet was apparently made up of french people going "c'est la vie" and having a bottle of fine wine while commenting on the taste of Beki's arsehole as they go to meet their maker.
That is just not how people do.
For a show that is supposed to be about science of behaviour of large groups of people, that is precisely where I would say they completely missed the mark.
@@GK-cb3vc I was actually thinking about this today, wtf happened to everyone else on the ship??? They must have also known about the maintenance ship... yea I thought about that at like 4 in the morning, it really bothered me.
My rating for ep 9 is closer to a 7... I really hate the fact that everyone on Terminus survived (I've also never read the book, I suppose if I did, I would have expected it), that scene was so emotionally weighted, especially with Poly and Constant's parents bringing everyone back just pretty much undid everything I experienced, I'm wondering how this will affect my experience going forward with season 3.
Still my fav show, so, whatever, solid performances all around, for the most part.
Looks like the bulk of empire ships have been destroyed and now they don’t have any spacers. Who will feed the people if they are free and can’t control the empire without ships.
Great points! Also: Cloud Dominion with Dawn and Seraph's blood line is Imperial competition; Foundation is the eminent power by providing whisper ships & tech; spacers are a new powerful faction; mentalics are levelling up. Going to be nuts!
For some reason, I'm just reminded of one of the bits in the old Dinosaurs sitcom, where the Mr. Science proxy just keeps going through assistants.
Just replace Timmy with Cleon
SPOILER!!
The MULE is
"Emperor of DUNE, a Freeman with BLUE EYES"
*Fremen
A mathematician, a different kind of mathematician, and a statistician. I caught that, lol.
Apparently the show runner said he has 8 seasons worth of storyline ;) bring it. Love this show;)
Love this show!
At 39:17 the tall blonde girl looks at a younger girl during Salvor funeral pyre. They show this scene specifically, so WHAT does that mean?
back to my insanity bubble of waiting for a new season of foundation 😢
great show
I think Demerzel did not kill Conjoiner Rue and Dusk, On her way out she locked the cell back behind her. If she killed them she would have no reason to lock it back up
Isn’t one of her rules that she can’t harm Empire?
@@faisalmemon285 it is
@@killerkazi78 So locking them up doesn’t break her rules of not harming a human? Is she evolving? She just up and went away and told Empire that I’ve got better things to do. Have I uncovered a plot hole? Has she been manipulating Empire for centuries to bring a new robot war? Hows it in the books? I don’t mind spoilers. Also, what’s The Mule?
@faisalmemon285 the Mule was a powerful mentallic from the books as well
@@killerkazi78 What are his ambitions? What does he want? The Infinity Gauntlet and snap his fingers? How does the book end (the main series books on which this show is based)? Are you guys ok with the books being different than the series? Or are you all like Harry Potter fans, who just kept complaining and now their series is dead?
Damn this season was a very big leap from the first one. Loved both. I don't think there was a weak link in season 2 in comparison to season 1. This is storytelling and creativity at its finest
Loved it, haven’t read the books and to be honest I didn’t know was a book adaptation, either way I’m stoked for the third season, hands down one of the best sci-fi series, the symbolism and story line has a lot of Gnostic teachings in it, I’ll have to read the read the books🤙🏽⚡️
What if the mule is a descendant of the missing dawn? Thinking the show will be different from the books.
Will be different? It already is, in very big ways.
Monarch has likely brought many new subscribers to Apple TV, such as myself. I found Foundation and was immediately hooked. I love that it respects the intelligence of it's audience and is giving us a very complex layered story.
The Mule could be either the child of Dawn and Sareth or possibly the child of Constance and Hober if she turns out to be pregnant.
The real mule is telem. Manipulation same way, same unassuming character.
Whoever they call the Mule in the future has nothing to do with the mule of the books
*Brother Constant
Another potential twist would be if the Mule was the son/grandson of Dawn (the one who fled)
It’s awesome !!
I think the time dilation in the vault is adjustable. Time seemed more or less the same on the inside between the 2nd and 3rd party entering.
This show is a masterpiece! So much to digest it feels like they’re moving too fast
How could Demrezel not keep a backup of the og Cleon's genetic code?
She may be the primary reason of its alteration to begin with.
Episode 1 and 2 took me over 4 months to watch. Just finished and it was worth it.
The Spacers are the most interesting piece of the story to me. If the Spacers and the Na'vi ever teamed up, they would take over the galaxy.
Demerzel was able to kill Brother Dusk because she's always been able to kill the Cleon clones.
The chip that Cleon I inserted in her prevented her from causing harm to ONLY him, not necessarily the other Cleons.
She's already killed a Cleon that we've seen.
She killed the Brother Dawn of last season who had been compromised and betrayed by that group when she snapped his neck.
And the fact that she's had to decant Clones several times before suggests that some of those that had to be replaced by the decanted clones was because she had deemed them defective and had had to kill them herself.
If she determines that a clone is defective, her programming allows her to kill them and replace them as needs be.
I don’t understand why the guards, on Trantor, were obedient to Demerzel and not Dawn. Did they know that the Cleons were just puppets all along? Were the Cleons the only ones who didn’t know?
Dawn is not Emperor yet. A prime minister would presumably outrank a crown prince
I’m going to have to get Apple TV. So many great looking shows.
I really wish that you did a breakdown of every episode. Season 2 was so good.
Awesome end can't for season 3
ésta temporada estuvo genial, Fundation es definitivamente el mejor show de sci Fi de la historia
Not a “casterling” device - castling. Like when you swap the rook and king in chess.
I feel like The Mule is from Brother Constant’s lineage. Similar blue eyes to Constant’s from what little we’ve seen of him, and may be in search of the Second Foundation to reunite with “his people” & take down Gaal & Empire both with said people/knowledge from it.
He could also be a new Android or Demerzel herself if she is able to “fix” any of the blocks in place that inhibited certain functionality or more like her from being created (as she was the last of her kind from what we know). Gaal may be the only one with the knowledge to keep Androids from reigning over the galaxy. Just a few thoughts…
No. She's from Thespis. Their eyes are violet.
The Mules eyes are distinctly blue, almost luminescent.
I Hope Goyer’s show makes The Mule a unique character from another world as he is in the books. No need to make him a descendant of anyone we’ve already seen.
I really enjoyed season 2 and hope we don't have to wait too long for season 3 due to the current writers strike.
Thanks for saving me the time. I started to watch it and kept falling asleep.
This is a good show!!
It's amazing how they made Demerzel,a character with quite a sinister agenda (not by choice),a character you can't help root for. In that scene with Sareth when she menacingly says "i serve Empire" i was like "YEAH,don't mess with Demerzel"
Literally just watching this season for the empire plot, the actorz and writing in it is good. Once the empire is gone, I'm not sure if I'll continue watching
I think the mule is the son of Sareth and Dawn. We unfortunately have a long time to wait before we find out..
It is interesting that the Mule is a powerful telepath and that’s probably why he conquers so much of the galaxy. We see how powerful they are during episodes 9 & 10. However, maybe the Mule ends up taking control of the telepathic army (Foundation #2) and uses it to conquer some time before the flash forward. I bet the Mule is Tellum and she jumped to that blond girl that they lingered on so much in that scene where Gale and Hari were frozen. "Mule" being a beast of burden and the "carrier" of the consciousnesses that is just full of rage against Gale (hence all the destruction). Conquering half of the Universe maybe Tellum manipulates they dynasty and somehow Demerzel must flee to the "small" kingdom that Day and Sareth started. Their offspring now being the only remaining genetic remnants of Cleon I. Maybe Day and Sereth got the foundation to help to make them powerful enough to not be destroyed, or at least be hidden, from Empire for 150 yrs. With Foundation (#1) there to help technologically, Demerzel having fled, is ultimately copied (uneasily) to combat the unstoppable telepathic army that the Mule (Tellum) commands. Unstoppable for humans. But, since the Robots are not affected by the telepathy, they easily overcome the Army and bring peace. Now with the Robots and new Empire Hari simply states that the 1000 years is about to begin and the Robots rise up again and ultimately defeated again and we are all back where we started from....😂😅 That's my prediction. I failed to talk about the Prime Radiant in the possession of Demerzel but y'know it probably just comes down to not being able to connect with it on the level that a human can and therefore she misses some key piece of information that allows the Mule to conquer the Trantor and half of the Empire destroying Cleons there.
Cleon's death was particularly satisfying. Hoping those many people's shadows on the Prime Radiant are all those from the destroyed spaceships, including Riose.
This maybe an unpopular take, but I miss being told, “Daddy loves you very much“ at the end of each video since… you know… mine hasn’t come back from looking for his favorite tobacco and tobacco accessories.
For rhose qho read the book, please tell me how Salvor Harding returns to season 3, surely this can be the end for her😭
Tbh, she shouldnt have been in this season at all. Same with human Hari.
They might find a way thru flashbacks or dreams/future/past visions.
Salvor Hardin is a dude, a politician that carries the foundation through the first Seldon crisis. His story ends after that.
He is not a Warden of any sort, Gaal Dornic is not his dad (Gaal is also a dude btw), he is not a jedi master mentalist and never fires a rifle in the entire story.
The show has NOTHING in common with the books and is basically like comparing Rings of Power to the LotR books.
Not trying to crap on you for liking the show, good on you if you do.
You forgot to mention that the prime radiant is a back door for the mentalics, foundation 2.0 has a direct eye into the heart of the empire
Since there is definitely at least one newborn in the picture, and possibly two, could the mule possibly be one of these children, or the offspring of the children?
The empire still can build _"slow ships"_ which do travel faster than light by quite a bit. According to the show, The Raven slow ship traveled 50,000 ly in 1,878 days (to Termnius).
So 50,000 ly / 1878 days = 26.62 ly / day
26.63 ly / 24 hours = 1.11 ly / hour
9,716 light days / day
233,191 light hours / hour
13.99m light minutes / minute
839.5m light seconds / second
839.5x million times the speed of light is actually faster than StarTrek warp factor 9.9, but slower than StarWars fastest ships. That will certainly slow empire down a lot but its only a matter of time before they replicate Foundation jump tech OR they figure out other warp speed methods.
Apart from setting up a nice finale, I have to wonder why the spacers needed the wrist of an ugly bag of mostly water to deliver their plan.
Clearly the spacer mother could instantly communicate with She-Bends-Light in the earlier episode.
I thought the spacers are humans as well, just highly evolved.
I have read the books more than one time. It was 20 years ago. But I love them. And there is more. Asimov has written about robots a lot and although there is no robot in the foundation, not that I remember. The authors of the show weaved many of the other stories inside. And that is good.
I don't mind the extra Asimov I agree with the Demerzel storyline.
However I do VERY MUCH mind the Arthur C Clarke (Empire is the Makenzie dinasty from "Imperial Earth"), Dr Who (the Vault is all of a sudden a Tardis like "all powerfull, much bigger on the inside" type vessel operated by DOCTOR Seldon) and Star Wars (the evil empire vs plucky rebels pew pew pew action with mentalics just straight up jedi force pushing and throwing folks about using telekinetic powers) they sprinkled in.
Also the Hober/Candence sex scene was the most awkwardly cringe thing I saw since Anakin Skywalker complained to Padme about the sand in his butt crack.
It all made this particular Asimov fan just fast forward through the season 2 finale because it was quite frankly predictable and boring as f.
@@GK-cb3vc Yes, he inspired many very good stories. And I am a fan of very much of them. I love those space operas.
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Lol he didn't inspire them most are completely different subgenre.
Asimov hated violence and minimized it's role in most of his work.
Compare it to Apple TV where it looks more like Warhammer 40k just non-stop massacre.
@@GK-cb3vc But although he maybe hated violence in general, he was famous for grabbing women. And because of that I love the fact that some of his male characters are female in the show.
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Yeah suppose there is poetic justice in gender swapping when it comes to his work.
Personaly I enjoy a mixed cast and balanced storyline much more than all male or female.
That is why I my favourite part of the Foundation book series is the Mule.
Think about it, a true unstopable monster that wanted the entire galaxy for himself.
Was it some kind of super weapon that took him out? Nope.
Apple TVs telekinetic jedi mentalists? Not a peep.
Hari Seldon's psychohistory? Laughable.
It was an ordinary woman's kindness, wisdom and intuition that brought him to his knees.
I would watch that play out over and over again 100x but what I fear we will get next season is a "Hari Potter vs Woldemort in space" red lightning vs green lightning shoving contest between all powerfull all knowing Gaal and whatever paper tiger the show decides to feed her in 2024.
All good if people fancy it but I still wanted to see my childhood heroine, Bayta Darell.
No fancy mentalics or jedi powers. Just a regular woman.
season 2 was DA'BOMB!!
Sad about so many great character deaths
Demerzel serves the Empire, not just Brother Dusk, he might be dead, yet most likely he is not.
What do I think? I think that Day's orgasmic face blowing up Terminus needs to be a meme ^^ Also, Demerzel's fist pump earlier this season ^^ Love the show. Can't wait for S3 ^^
I liked it.
Demerzel killed Dawn in season 1 so she can obviously kill the Cleon clones
Is it possible for The Mule to be the mule for Tellum’s consciousness?
The one thing about this show is it reminds me of Supernatural, no one is really dead.
The 2nd season was definitely a step up from the 1st, given how the covid situation severely impacted the filming of the 1st.
Had this show been an original, I probably would have enjoyed it. As it is, a supposedly adaptation of the Foundation book series, it left a bitter taste in my mouth. It completely missed the point of Foundation, as if the only thing the writers took from the source material is the names.
The crazy shit that I realized around the end of this season is that I am watching a tragic fairly tale where these human characters evolve on a galactic scale through, space and time to ascend through godhood to wage a war that too will eventually become tales of a past long forgotten from the same human species that may be saved.
The vault is Galaxia, it uploaded every one's consciousness from the planet.
Hmm i did consider that. Tho Constances dad was still limping/leaning on his husband and winced when she hugged him so i dunno. They prob been in the 4D vault for a day or two.
Who built this vault?
This show is a Warning to HBO Showtime and Disney Apple TV is coming strong they just need the time we know they have the money to Compete. They can afford to keep a show going until it blows up that sometimes can take 3 or 4 season. I feel this show will Blow up next season. And Now it's only $5.00 a month for the service which isn't bad at all for the quality of shows.
Cleon and Sareth remind me of a certain real life royal marriage 🤫😂
The Mule is Tellem inside grown up Josiah.
Underrated show. But it’s fantastic
I believe the prime radiant uploads a copy of it consciousness when you enter it meaning it would have a copy of all the people of terminus including Salvor Hardin are cloneable.
Eto Demerzel (as a male: R Daneel Olivaw)
is coming from Aurora, one of the first 50 spacer world (heaven like conditions) when Earth was inhabited as an overpopulated unpleasant "caves of steel". Eventually after the great Sack of the empire, this synthetic humanoid will make a nice Headquarter on Earths moon. Living in solitary and sipping hot motor oil and wait until a very flashy spaceship delivers a few strange visitors who were in search of the lost Earth. Unfortunately good old Earth is not in the condition to receive visitors anytime soon.
Second season was amazing. Much better than season 1.