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  • @merilynkron8750
    @merilynkron8750 Před 4 dny +112

    Definitely put panels on both sides. Paint them white

  • @user-wv8st1cb2k
    @user-wv8st1cb2k Před 4 dny +106

    I’d like to vote for painting the panelling white and panelling all three short sides and leaving the central larger front open ❤

  • @dianegordon7482
    @dianegordon7482 Před 4 dny +104

    Kylie & Guy hello from Aussie. I vote to put the panels on and paint them white. Might be a good place to hang a hand towel. I enjoy your videos. Kylie you have a great laugh and Guy a dry sense of humour. Cheers 😊

    • @assuncaomeireles198
      @assuncaomeireles198 Před 4 dny +7

      Adorei o armário da casa de banho eu acho que talvez o armário tivesse portas para tapar completamente os canos mas nao sei se a Kyly gosta no entanto se ficar como esta fica bem virto que é uma casa rústica. Muito obrigado pelo vidio foi muito bom. Agora que vem aí dias muito quentes tem ar condicionado ? Eu sigo a Kylie e o Guy desde o principio e vi que puseram no chao canalizaçao para manter a casa fresca no verao e quente no inverno já está a funcionar?Espero que sim especialmente nos dias muito quentes que se faz sentir no Centro de Portugal
      Boa semana meus amigos e se puderem vao até à praia dar um mergulho no mar 😂🤣🤣
      Thank you very much 💖💙
      God bless you 🙏🙏🇬🇧

  • @TheArtfulFarmer
    @TheArtfulFarmer Před 4 dny +65

    Yes to panelling on each sides and white

  • @denisemorrison7616
    @denisemorrison7616 Před 4 dny +84

    Yes to panelling on each sides and white. Looking Great!

  • @Kwazulujabul
    @Kwazulujabul Před 4 dny +62

    My vote is panel it, will look neat, I do not like to the see stuff inside a cupboard.

  • @lorimontcalm9086
    @lorimontcalm9086 Před 4 dny +10

    Your prototypes are better than most people can build!! I agree with Kylie, accentuate the beautiful wood by painting the panels white!
    Hugs from 🇨🇦

  • @lieuwina
    @lieuwina Před 4 dny +7

    I vote put panels and paint white. Guy and Kylie I love your sense of humour. The bathroom cabinet is going to be lovely and I think you both have made a very good job of it. Enjoy your day.

  • @vickiturner9392
    @vickiturner9392 Před 4 dny +17

    My vote is to panel it and put in cupboard doors. I too don’t like seeing what’s in cupboards even if they are tidy.

    • @kerynchapman5782
      @kerynchapman5782 Před 3 dny

      yes no one really wants to see how much toilet paper you have

  • @user-yc3os8hx2j
    @user-yc3os8hx2j Před 2 dny +1

    Cabinet top :aced, panels :yes and white.Towel rail/hook: yes. Project magnificent.

  • @maeveskelly4686
    @maeveskelly4686 Před 4 dny +16

    I would paint white and panel the section facing the entry ( gives you immediate white/wood contrast as well as allowing you to tuck in supplies you may not want fully on show). I also think you should panel the section facing the toilet as toilets are notorious for creating airborne droplets when flushed (even with the seat closed) and you won’t want to contaminate what’s stored on the shelves.

  • @sgrvtl7183
    @sgrvtl7183 Před 3 dny +1

    At Least You Two are having some fun.....might be tricky, but I have seen & heard more smiles and laughter from You Two❗The sink corner is beautiful and nice work💚

  • @kerrylynnparsons7879
    @kerrylynnparsons7879 Před 4 dny +5

    I have been following you since the BEGINNING. You have accomplished SO MUCH!!! 🥰🎶❤️🎶🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

  • @mariaarlen956
    @mariaarlen956 Před 4 dny +13

    Closed will be better. Hi from Spain🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️

  • @acworthgirl1
    @acworthgirl1 Před 4 dny +3

    white paneling as you have shown leaving the front open. If you toiletries get a bit messy on the shelving, then I would consider putting a small, pretty curtain on a small curtain rod that can hide your stuff instead of leaving the open shelving. That way it looks neater and gets the space a pop of color.

  • @mariadange06
    @mariadange06 Před 4 dny +5

    Another intricate assemble build. Love shape of the top. Defo paint the side panels white.

  • @jeanmeyer8194
    @jeanmeyer8194 Před 4 dny +1

    From someone who could never do what u do i think u make an incredible team😊

  • @ianhardy1998
    @ianhardy1998 Před 4 dny +1

    Hi. Just a thought. To level an edge joined glued up panel I have had success using a good straight edge to find high and low spots, shading the high spots with a pencil. The higher the spot, the darker the shade. And instead of the planer, a combination of a belt sander and random orbital sander with varying grits, worked well to apply more or less pressure to just remove the shade, before checking the level again with the straight edge. Of course, getting the glue up in the clamps well set up from the start, as you recognized, would go a long way too making it an easier task.
    I love your vision, your design ideas, and truly admire you fun natures and sense of humour. I look forward to your episodes every week!

  • @pwebb1847
    @pwebb1847 Před 4 dny +8

    Tip regarding dust extraction and your vacuum cleaner. Use a dust cyclone to save the filters and motor on Henry from burning out. You'll need a dust cyclone, an extra vacuum hose and a lidded plastic barrel. Very cheap and effective.

    • @Neilhuny
      @Neilhuny Před dnem

      Wow, that's new to me - but very impressive, thank-you

  • @rhondadorey1723
    @rhondadorey1723 Před 4 dny +3

    Kylie & Guy, you're the most entertaining, informative, creative duo on YT. I love watching each video you put out! And appreciate all the explaining you do while working. 👍😊🇨🇦

  • @jeannamcgregor9967
    @jeannamcgregor9967 Před 4 dny +2

    You might consider looking for attachable DeWalt sawdust bags to collect all that lovely sawdust. Not only does it make cleanup easier but sawdust makes excellent biodegradable mulch for the garden. Much less water loss with a light-colored mulch to reflect the sunlight. Win/win! And less cleavage debris...

  • @SusanZiegler
    @SusanZiegler Před 4 dny +3

    I love watching the two of you work together. What a pleasure!

  • @warwickkeene363
    @warwickkeene363 Před 4 dny

    J bave such fond memories of the day we bolted down the lavvie. Now a vanity, pleasure overload... Great to see the place coming together in your two pairs of hands.

  • @thebermudaangle9958
    @thebermudaangle9958 Před 4 dny +10

    Yellow sure is your colour! I love yellow but can't bring it near me...I look like I have jaundice...thnks for great entertaining videos!🎉🎉🎉

    • @Aidan-tu4un
      @Aidan-tu4un Před 4 dny +1

      @@thebermudaangle9958 I thought it was in honour of the Tour de France🤣😂🤣

  • @amandamachler2911
    @amandamachler2911 Před 4 dny

    Agree with Kylie, prefer the open look with only panel next to toilet. But if enclosing paint them white. Great show with easy to understand explanations. Love the conversations, ambience, rapport💕

  • @wrenwest4887
    @wrenwest4887 Před 3 dny

    Well, I'm impressed that you got all those bits of wood to hold together to look like a countertop especially will all those odd angles. Makes it more intriguing to see how it turns out. Good use of space in a small space!!

  • @KatrinaRatliff
    @KatrinaRatliff Před 4 dny

    I agree with the first 3 posts I see to put the panels and paint white on the ends. I love the natural wood top and interior. I am certain some art will go in there and a vanity mirror. It will look fabulous I am sure. Love how you two work together, and Kylie does have a great laugh. Guys dry humor is extremely well timed always. Kudos for making, doing, growing and....laughing.

  • @user-fv4uy4kx6g
    @user-fv4uy4kx6g Před 4 dny +3

    I think 💭 for a first go at making furniture is pretty good . Love what you have done.

  • @silvi9094
    @silvi9094 Před 4 dny +1

    The paneling is a way to give the eye a calm view. If you just have towels in those shelves, then there is no paneling needed, but if you have cleaner, bottles and so on there, then paneling could make it look clean and sorted.

  • @michaellinahan7740
    @michaellinahan7740 Před 4 dny +4

    the liner from a cereal box is a great 'non stick' material to have between clamps and workpiece.

  • @sheilam4964
    @sheilam4964 Před 4 dny

    You guys are getting quite good at building furniture. Just place 'paneling' along the wall to hide the plumbing (make it easy to remove to do plumbing repairs) and leave the vanity as is. Thx for filming this and sharing it with us.

  • @poodlegirl55
    @poodlegirl55 Před 4 dny

    Panelling on both sides and painted white. That top is freaking awesome!!!

  • @rosbeaton637
    @rosbeaton637 Před 3 dny

    I agree. Put in the panels and paint them white. The vanity looks very good. It certainly pays off making a prototype first❤❤❤

  • @rachelfrees1268
    @rachelfrees1268 Před 4 dny

    I love yellow, but can’t wear it. You are beautiful wearing the bright yellow. Thanks for another interesting day working with you two.❤

  • @asouthafrican3200
    @asouthafrican3200 Před 4 dny

    Voting for panels painted white. Love your collection of furniture building so far - looks so great one would never guess it was your first time

  • @MaurieDeaton
    @MaurieDeaton Před dnem

    Yes for white panelling by the bidet pipes, maybe leave the open ends until you’ve lived with it for a few weeks. I would suggest a back splash (or splash back as you call them). That will help your front over hang issue and protect the wall and wood from too much water damage. Also, figure out your tap placement before you cut the hole for the sink. Make sure you have enough space for the tap and your hands to work it. Best of luck!

  • @katebygrave
    @katebygrave Před 4 dny

    I am loving that you are using dowels again.
    We have had the equipment for a while, but not yet had the opportunity to use them.

  • @ellentaylor4351
    @ellentaylor4351 Před 4 dny +2

    Trusting all the spare wood was of the same type rather than random sheets, that said it works together, looks professional, and if just stained has a beauty of its own. From the results Of say a pretty good job overall. All for closed cupboards just because it has the items on display. 👀🇬🇧

  • @jdkerk
    @jdkerk Před 4 dny +4

    Great learning experience! Soon you will be pros!! Here's a pro tip when glueing boards to make a panel - use small clamps to clamp each end of the seam between each board. This keeps them even with one another. Also, don't squeeze too hard with the long clamps. That tends to warp the finished product slightly. I've been in your place! I started woodworking 8 years ago and have learned most of what I know from CZcams. I've made some beautiful furniture. You've got this!!!

  • @KarenWood-cj4xi
    @KarenWood-cj4xi Před 4 dny +2

    Just beautiful. Lovely job.😊

  • @sherry2836
    @sherry2836 Před 4 dny +15

    I vote to enclose the entire cabinet in paneling, with doors of course, and paint white. Install a toilet tissue holder on the small panel facing the toilet or on the wall next to the toilet, and hang a hand towel ring on the left wall by the sink (towel should definitely be far away from the toilet)

  • @feddealkema7881
    @feddealkema7881 Před 4 dny +2

    Hi you two, always love to see your videos. I have an alternative option for you to think about, and that is to mount the panels not in front but inside the open rectangular spaces and paint them white. I hope you know what I mean. Best regards from Holland 🇳🇱.
    Tip #2: try to use a bandgrinder like the DCW220N next time you make larger panels out of scrap

    • @deborahblair3672
      @deborahblair3672 Před 4 dny

      Maybe a plain linen over the inside rectangle board would look cute.

  • @Vanjonsorz
    @Vanjonsorz Před 4 dny

    Paul Sellers would be your must watch, for woodworking

  • @laurareiner
    @laurareiner Před 4 dny +4

    My new motto: "Rustic build, doesn't matter!"

  • @beatieswanepoel3004
    @beatieswanepoel3004 Před 4 dny

    Yes, paint it white with just the wood colored top. My son made me a vanity in January, and it is white with wood on top. It looks great!!

  • @belladonna6624
    @belladonna6624 Před dnem

    We never throw anything anyway either! It may come in handy one day is our regular catch phrase! My dad was the same too so its in my DNA.

  • @carolvanrooyen4929
    @carolvanrooyen4929 Před 4 dny +3

    My vote...
    White and wood contrast very nice!
    Cover back inside with white.
    Leave small areas open.
    Panel bidet cupboard with white panelling. 😊

  • @hwinny2
    @hwinny2 Před 4 dny

    I think it looks great either way. Unless you paint something white and put it in the places-or even a white cardboard cut to size, you won’t know what will look better. Both will look awesome either way. You can probably put some wood blocks on the walll and drill the back paneling on the blocks making it easy to pull off for access if needed.
    I love everything you are all doing. If you ever have an open house to show it when you’re done, I would love to come. You can even have it themed where guest would bring bushes, trees, or plants you want for your garden, orchards, and landscaping .

  • @AlyenasKitchen
    @AlyenasKitchen Před 4 dny

    Love the new piece in the bathroom! As you asked, I like that you are putting paneling on it. At least by the toilet. Painted white would be my choice. So impressive to see you cutting the wood so nicely! 😊🌺🌸

  • @SweetieQing
    @SweetieQing Před 4 dny

    I vote for panelling and have it painted white ♥️ Great design.

  • @darabell9193
    @darabell9193 Před 4 dny

    I am a retired cabinet maker and builder living in Victoria Australia in joy watching your show. Just one suggestion if you’re gonna to keep building cabinet,s . I suggest you buy a small thickness in Australia there about $1000. It will save you 90% of your sanding and you will have perfect, sizing ,

  • @marieratcliffe4804
    @marieratcliffe4804 Před 4 dny +1

    love it, definitely paint the panels and cover all the sides with panelling and just leave that 1 section open. before you screw it to the wall can you add the back to it and cut out for the connections you need to access and again id paint that back white. also kylie to help you with the plainer, my hubby used to start on a higher setting then he would set on a lower setting as he found it worked better for him. like you he was a big fan of dewalt for his business , or as i used to call it mr dewalt, i still have a lot of his tools and use them myself which makes me feel connected to him since loosing him 9.1.2021

  • @avivat3010
    @avivat3010 Před 4 dny +1

    Another great video. Thank you. I guess this is why professional woodworkers have those gigantic planing units! 😂 The cabinet design is beautiful. It looks like white with wood accents will be the theme for your furniture design, which is a great idea. It suits your home. I agree; close the cabinet in and paint the slats white. Have a great week! Xo

  • @sarino8554
    @sarino8554 Před 4 dny +1

    Wow the top on that vanity is super nice, greetings from South Africa

  • @louiseupton3363
    @louiseupton3363 Před 4 dny

    I'd cover the sides and paint it white, with the beautiful butcher block top. It's a lovely little unit. 👏 😊

  • @lenneam3745
    @lenneam3745 Před 4 dny

    When gluing the cabinet top, I thought of a CZcamsr called Ryan Hawkins from west coast boards. He makes cool cutting boards, and in addition to having cool videos there might be some tips on planing, sanding, gluing of said boards to give you a some ideas. Great video as always, love the banter and explanations - something soothing about them. Thank you

  • @simonelubbe4653
    @simonelubbe4653 Před 4 dny

    Agreed. No more wood. Following the current or wall painted colour enlarges the space. LOOKING GOOD & Forward to the reveal.

  • @carolbulmer8253
    @carolbulmer8253 Před 4 dny

    Hi, Kylie and Guy. Excellent prototype vanity! It’s fun to watch you two building. I think that it doesn’t need panels on the left side. However, panels painted white might look good on the bit near the toilet to hide the plumbing.

  • @diannedaisley3444
    @diannedaisley3444 Před 4 dny

    Hi my name is Dianne and I live in Canada 🇨🇦 and I watch all the time I think it looks nice with out the panels 😅

  • @maggiefriedrichs777
    @maggiefriedrichs777 Před 4 dny +1

    Love the work and skills you share. I admire what you both have accomplished and look forward to future projects.

  • @rebeccaberkman1537
    @rebeccaberkman1537 Před 4 dny

    My vote is leave it open and just panel the back! However, I think it would also force you to have a more organized and pleasing look. But I like that! To me it makes the space more intentional. But I also think panels painted white would look good. I'm sure whatever you do will look great. 😊

  • @ianmaccormac
    @ianmaccormac Před 4 dny +1

    Nice use of the scrap wood! Lovely. Cheers, Ian in Blackpool

  • @katehamb439
    @katehamb439 Před 4 dny +1

    Looks good, the bench top is great! Yes to the panelling but white wash it or paint it so the bench is the feature, make the panel beside the loo detachable so you can easily get to the pipes.

  • @SAtoUSAgirl
    @SAtoUSAgirl Před 4 dny

    Yes to the paneling for visual neatness once you use the shelves and paint it.

  • @cferguson3368
    @cferguson3368 Před 4 dny

    A few small tips...You can make a jig (or jigs) to clamp to the glued joints to insure joints stay square. Important to note, some jigs are specific to a job; some can be used over & over. As you observed, clamp a board, or 2 if bigger piece, running perpendicular to the clamped top boards to ensure none of your clamped pieces buckle. If the boards are the same depth, you'll only need to sand, no planing. Put blue tape or packing tape on surfaces to keep glue from sticking to clamps or other things. Or use wax paper between them. On some woods even though you are using padded clamps, clamps will still leave a mark on the wood. Have some small pieces of smooth wood to place between the clamp and your piece. Before you throw out your handplane, research it. There are old planes that rival the quality of, if not eclipse, newer planes. Assuming you keep your old plane...When you reshape and sharpenen the iron (blade) on your hand plane, so you can use it on the next "furniture" project, there will be a learning curve again between CZcams & successful sharpening! When you have light colored, almost white, walls, painting all your cabinets white creates an image with almost no color value. If you want no drama coloring, you can enhance the color visually with low contrast colors that are not in the white family...i.e., very pale tones. It adds so much more character to a room. Obviously, I'm not a big fan of the white on white on white on white trend.

  • @alisondoughty2194
    @alisondoughty2194 Před 4 dny +1

    Painting the areas white would as you say show the wood at its best.looking forward to seeing the next vlog.Thinking your both needing after sun moisturiser.🌞😄⛱️

  • @gaynor3976
    @gaynor3976 Před 4 dny +1

    I agree put panelling on and paint white. Looks good xxx

  • @simonlewis6276
    @simonlewis6276 Před 4 dny +1

    Set honey coloured panels slightly back into the white framing rather than covering the framing up .Do this by gluing and pining a rebate batten around the voids to be panelled ,thus creating a rebate for the panels to be set into .

  • @ruthkerr3666
    @ruthkerr3666 Před 4 dny

    Panels on both sides, painted white. Looks great.

  • @chadelaeva
    @chadelaeva Před 3 dny

    With each day your house looks more and more like home 🥰 great work ones again 🥳
    Definitely paneling in white 🙏

  • @itziaralkain6193
    @itziaralkain6193 Před 4 dny +1

    Hi!! I like the way toy work as a couple!! Good team!!

  • @cathybrewer8958
    @cathybrewer8958 Před 4 dny

    Loved this video. If you paint the back under the cover it will be brighter. Putting the paneling pieces in front will accentuate the panel and not be drowned with all the white. Make them more prominent.

  • @gracealonso275
    @gracealonso275 Před 4 dny

    Excellent job. I like white with paneling on 3 sides. Don't forget you need to add in the holes for the faucet and the drain, that can be very tricky.

  • @Flower300690
    @Flower300690 Před 4 dny +1

    White paneling seems to be a good idea, especially when you prepared all the details for it. The vanity turned out great, i like it very much!

  • @TheZsuZsa123
    @TheZsuZsa123 Před 4 dny +1

    Small side pieces painted white paneling. We always need doors because you know cats will adopt those cabinets as alternate nap nooks. Looks great love the wood countertop.

  • @nancibishof6462
    @nancibishof6462 Před 4 dny

    I think it very wise to learn using scrap materials in the making the maquette. I wish I had on more than one project to work out the proverbial bumps in the road to the desired results.

  • @seanadams6328
    @seanadams6328 Před 4 dny +1

    I have really enjoyed both this vlog and the Kitchen Island vlog..very impressive. Thank you for both your efforts in video production!! Be well and be safe

  • @eugenebaryngton3057
    @eugenebaryngton3057 Před 4 dny

    I like panelling on all three sides painted white, keep up the great job that you are doing.

  • @beckytalhelm6415
    @beckytalhelm6415 Před 4 dny

    Definitely paneled and white. Nice build! Beautiful wood grained top!

  • @maseeharassack7525
    @maseeharassack7525 Před 4 dny +1

    I am loving this furniture making videos. Kylie is such a perfectionist i love it. Im the same drives my husband nuts. Love how well you work together ❤. Cannot wait to see what url decide. The top came out so lovely the rounded edges look great

  • @SwimCoach8
    @SwimCoach8 Před 4 dny +1

    It looks quite good for your early adventures into furniture! I couldn't tell and I don't think you mentioned it. To make a large top more stable....Look at the end grain of the boards. The growth rings. Flipping the growth rings on every other board adds stability after gluing and finish is applied. Some times they are easily oriented and others not so much. If you use a brace to keep a wide top flat, put a piece of wax paper under the brace. Keeps the brace from bonding to the glue up. Plus the wax paper is easy to sand or scrape off the glue up.
    I'm a firm believer in CAD design. Cardboard aide design. I use a hot glue gun, some thin slats and cardboard to design funky shaped cabinets and boxes. Gives a 3D feel for how your design will actually fill and work in the available space. Only takes a coupla minutes to cob a fancy cardboard cabinet together.

  • @slunalang
    @slunalang Před 3 dny

    To prevent bowing when making panels you have to use the top clamp to “push down” onto your lamination when gluing up. If I remember my class, you have to start clamping the top clamp first. Not to hard. Also, use a spare baton between the clamp and your wood to prevent damaging your piece (it has to be a bit slimmer than your panel so the top clamp can touch the panel).

  • @colly1952
    @colly1952 Před 4 dny

    I purchased a bidet seat for my toilet from Amazon. I could not do without it. I got the kind with no elextricity so no warm water. It's quite cold, especially during Winter, but you get used to it. It was really easy to install and the seat is more stable than the regular toilet seats we have around here. I'm overweight, so that's important.

  • @user-yx7wk8ds3w
    @user-yx7wk8ds3w Před 4 dny

    I love all your episodes. Always fun, interesting and entertaining. You two are great people.

  • @Pipscape
    @Pipscape Před 4 dny

    Yes, panel the short sides and inside back, painted white, leave the wider center open for baskets/cute storage. The contrast of the top and shelves is nice, not too sauna-like.

  • @sallyrobinson3469
    @sallyrobinson3469 Před 4 dny

    Yes to panelling and painted white.. looking great already

  • @themightyquinn1960
    @themightyquinn1960 Před 4 dny +1

    Hi Both, love the build it looks great and I would paint the infils white as you say to highlight the stained shelves / countertop without making it too "woody"

  • @user-it2jo8bx4n
    @user-it2jo8bx4n Před 4 dny +1

    I like the design looks good I wouldn’t worry about the shelves showing but I’d cover the pipe work etc with something that I don’t like is seeing all that on show

  • @annievlachos7880
    @annievlachos7880 Před 4 dny

    Yes ,sides painted white , nice furniture, it will be really useful.

  • @kaymccurry3431
    @kaymccurry3431 Před 4 dny

    Definitely needs the paneling! Also like the idea of doors. Love the top….well done!

  • @lynnelewis9605
    @lynnelewis9605 Před 4 dny +1

    Hi there I think have the back to the back of the cabinet in white to cover the pipes and just have panels on the straight piece nearest to the toilet and paint that white but what ever do will great well done on the work.x

  • @cindyconnour446
    @cindyconnour446 Před 3 dny

    I think your sink vanity is lovely

  • @TheSharrone
    @TheSharrone Před 4 dny +2

    Yes, panelling.😊

  • @Jana-yg5zm
    @Jana-yg5zm Před 3 dny

    I vote for the open look with only panel next to toilet.

  • @maggiemartin4841
    @maggiemartin4841 Před 4 dny +1

    Really love what you made. I would paint. But on install leave small small gaps between slats. Like it or not that yellow looks very sunny and suits you so much, so start loving it.😊

  • @margaretlovelock7031
    @margaretlovelock7031 Před 4 dny

    So enjoyable to watch, love the sense of humour. Spot on‼️

  • @joyceb5864
    @joyceb5864 Před 4 dny

    Put paneling on both sides & paint them white. I suggest you put hinges on the side covering the pipes in case you need to open later for plumbing problems.

  • @user-lj4dk5ps3z
    @user-lj4dk5ps3z Před 3 dny

    I love it! The grain of the wood's unique..well done! I like it without the panels, Cheers 🌻

  • @annettelatham2256
    @annettelatham2256 Před 4 dny +1

    Yes less is more!! I would add the white side panels on both sides 😊

  • @sandratweedale2579
    @sandratweedale2579 Před 4 dny +1

    Paint it white and panel it for sure. Love how you use prototypes before committing