My new system for recovering gold from incinerated IC chips
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- An improved system for recovering gold from incinerated IC chips. I will be making further tweaks and improvements in the future as well. Please visit www.mdpub.com/U... for more information.
New subscriber here. I am really liking what I see. I have a love for wood working too and been thinking about making a cnc router for a while myself.
My understanding would be that the older the chips the more gold (because everything was physically bigger). The more modern chips would have more bond wires, but they would be optimal for the voltage used which would be lower (So instead of the original CMOS voltages which could be anywhere from 3 to 15 volts, you are talking about new lower voltages of 3.3, 2.5, 1.8 or 1.5 volts which would have lower currents, and require a smaller diameter of gold bond wires to the silicon die).
Also gold was a lot cheaper per ounce so they used more of it.
best IC chips to process for the best yield are the IC's from ram sticks. 2.4 lbs should yield 1 gram of gold. The blue in the final process was copper still in your Gold powder after drop. to get rid of the copper in your gold dust. Put the gold powder in Copper Chloride to dissolve all the copper. rinse with HCL 3x. Then rinse with your water. hope this helps.
to reduce the amount of unwanted metal to be dissolved try trimming off the excess exposed wires from the edges of the chips with a bench grinder. Quick and easy.
i do the same thing , leaving the copper & other stuff , it seems to keep the gold on the bottom better, then nitric baby !
Could you pulverize it with a ball mill to eliminate burning? A homemade mill is easy to make.
Would a hcl bath first be better to get the tin out , rinse, than the sulfuric acid and nitrate salt?
Hello, the cool thing in this video is the brilliant idea of the magnet, it was excellent idea. Tank you for your videos 🙂
Hi I like lots of your shows from Australia and when you drop your gold add more SMB till it stops fizzing then it will drop better and quicker and when you drop it add ice to it because the reaction gets hot distilled water ice cubes cheers mate
Wow, after watching other persons refining gold, you "omegageek64" have the most basic and understandable teaching method I have heard yet. You make it simple for this greenhorn to understand the different chemicals and to create alternate solutions. I do however still have a hard time understanding things like the stanis slous test where you show a plastic spoon with brown solution. I get most all the steps in refining the PC chips. One question I have you mentioned the cricibel you processed the chips in could melt if leaving in to long in the furnace. What would survive other then cast iron? Thank you friend for your showing us how. Blessings to you and yours.
سلام استاد اگه ممکنه درصد اسید های اکوئولوژیای نیتریک وهیدروکلریدریک چقدره متشکرم.
If you now blow air into the bottom of the crucible, you have fully ashed the chips.
Pyrolysis is removing all but carbon. And then you need oxygen to burn the carbon. And then it isn't hydrophobic anymore. ;)
at 15:25 if you insist on panning, would it not be a better idea NOT to make a slurry but just pan the dry material. Shake the gold pan good to get the gold to the bottom, start panning and the dry plastic which is hydrophobic will float away easily, leaving the heavier gold to sink to the bottom of the gold pan. Just a thought.
what would happen if you dropped one of those hot IC in a tub of cold water? could you use it to cut down the blending needed? (asking out of curiosity)
After incineration, use a magnet to remove any not precious metals. Then dissolve the rest of the not precious metals with hcl. Then you can use bleach instead of hno3 if you are recovering just a little bit of gold ( less than say 6grams) use smb to recover the gold. It will be around 95-97% pure if you did it correct. If you want uhp gold do it again. When rinsing, put a little dish soap in the water. It makes all the organic stuff float and easier to separate.
new subscriber here looking forward to checking out more of your videos
all you need is a gas ring at the outlet... or way over fuel the fire. if the foundry run with a flame out the top it burns off the smoke. do that all the time
I would like to see your updated vid.
And you need to remove lead from it from solder it will clump up and you filter it out in last filter
That's a technique I've never seen before! If I can learn to pan, that seems like a good way to keep the cost of refining down!!
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I watched this vid and I subcribed!! Which I told myself that I'm not subscribing to anymore CZcams Channels because I'm already following over 50 channels and I don't like subscribing unless I can watch at least half the vids!! I don't know if I can keep up, but I'm going to try!!!
Panning is not the way to go. Just use bleach and hcl. It will cost about $2 worth of chemicals. After it dissolved the gold, use sodium metabosulfate to recover the gold powder then meet the gold. It will be about 97% pure at that time. If you want uhp gold refine it for a second time
@@royalrefiningllc if you don't pan, what about those plastics and ceramic stuff. Don't tell me u going to use lots of breach and hcl.
@pierrequi what about the place and ceramics? There chemicals won't do anything to them, filter the solution after it dissolves the gold and throw that junk out.
@@pierreqiu8147 and you only need a little bit of chemicals
I like it
En la solución te queda algo de oro, mientras burbujee al echar el Metabisulfito , quiere decir que no ha precipitado todo, que todavía hay algo de oro.
If you heat the furnace before you put the crucible and chips in, there is very very little smoke that gets out without getting burned
Thanks for the idea. I may try that. I always start the furnace cold to avoid thermal shocking the crucible and maybe breaking it. I suppose I can pre-heat the crucible and then fill it with chips and put it in the furnace.
@@omegageek64 seems a lot of people don't understand what thermal shock is and what can happen to a clay graphite crucible. Your handling of the crucible in the way you did with leaving it in the furnace to cool slowly actually prolongs its life. Good show.
After you burn the chips, when you take the lid off, take them out of the crucible and place them in an old skillet or pan. The chips will cool down in no time at all.
I'm already doing that. I need to update my video. I've made some other changes to how I do things too.
Hi sir.
Can i work bga chips after incineration it by hcl and hypochlorite??
1:30 Just a thought, would it help burn the chips if you blew forced air into the crucible from outside? Maybe with a steel pipe hooked to a vacuum blower?
5:00-ish You said the first time, the center was un-cooked. Why don't you stir them at this point?
you need to add glycerin aka anti freeze and hydrogen peroxide and your fumes will be oxygen instead of nitrogen dioxide much safer way of doing it
If your IC chips are not completely white, 100%,,you lost gold. A tumbler with a burner will turn them to 100% white powder ash. In short they have to be stirred to incinerate properly. Any black / carbon means lost gold. After incinerating shake them violently in water to wash out the ash (keep it). Incinerate and repeat until all the carbon is gone. Then sift in water, while shaking. the gold wires will fall through with the ash and go right to the bottom
Hi Joe,
You are correct that my method of pyrolizing chips in my foundry does not fully oxidize them to ash. It does fully pyrolize them though. After extensive experimentation, I do not believe the carbon residue hinders the liberation of the gold bond wires in any way. The problem I see with the carbon is that it is porous. If carbon is still present when I dissolve the bond wires in aqua regia, the carbon absorbs and retains some of the gold solution. No matter how many times I rinse the carbon residue, the rinse water still tests positive for gold. I have begun open air roasting of my panning concentrates to burn off the remaining carbon before dissolving the bond wires. I have most of the footage for another video on this very subject already shot. I just haven't had time to finish shooting and editing it because I have been traveling.
What is the % use in Sodium nitric and Sulfuric acid =to make nitric acid please.
You melt In a furnace, a foundry Is the location of the furnace
The problem with the whole incineration thing is that it is only profitable when scaled up and done in massive quantities in third world countries with no safety or environmental regulations to speak of. Part of those fumes in the foundry are the precious metals you're trying to recover being burnt off. It's better to just disolve the entire chip in acid and process from there.
Buy a cheap distillation setup and make your own nitric, it's not hard, yeesh!!
Next time don't pan it, impossible not too lose most of it that way
Would you be interested in prosceing chips I get them plenty of them
I just spray the ash with alcohol to get it damp. Then add the water. It all gets mixed together then.
nice ;) im an gold digger and i have that black sand separator as well but i have trimed it hehe ;) but in 3 extra hdd magnet in it hehe ;)
great video im an scraper as well i have full box of ic chips and bga,s ;)
regards from sweden
Hello. I frequently use the USPS to ship things. Unfortunately for me the shipping rates keep going up. I hope that the free box you are using in your video as a table cloth gets cleaned up and used to ship something.
I am not the reason your shipping rates are going up. The real reason is that the USPS is the most inefficient and poorly run enterprise on the planet. If it weren't constitutionally mandated to exist, it would have been scrapped long ago. Instead of reforming themselves to be more like the commercial shipping companies that actually deliver on-time, efficiently, and make a profit to boot, they just keep raising rates so they can continue to operate inefficiently. If you think they shouldn't be giving away their shipping supplies for free to anyone who wants them, then write The Postmaster General or your Congressman. Much good it will do you.
silly question you made nitric with sul and nitrate can you just make nitric acid without distilling or heating I got a distiller its the cleanup and trying to get the hard potassium (urinal brick) out of beaker hot water and baking soda is what I used 1st cleanup
I like distilling the nitric acid because then I just get pure acid with no byproducts from the reaction that made it. It helps keep impurities out of the final stages of gold refining. You are correct that the cleanup can be a pain though. Still it is better than buying nitric acid in my opinion.
@@omegageek64 on your site you have or I have exact same apparatus I think im using to much ingredients 405g pot and basically 1 cup 93% sulf getting 98% couple days plus was using a piece of insulation for heat dist but not working well will use some 10/40 I don't need anymore my urinal block is huge afterwards will cut ingreds in half try that great vid btw thumbs up
well you lose any gold thought to much heat?
The gold isn't going anywhere. The heat isn't high enough to vaporize the gold. So it will all still be in the ashes. The only possible issue is if the chips are heated enough to actually melt the gold, then it could alloy with the base metals present and make extraction somewhat more difficult. I don't heat the chips to the melting point.
You couldn't fix all the typos in your 1 short sentence? Tacky
No point in weighing ic unless you have same maker same chip same year otherwise it changes .however older ic. And flat pack are best
Yeah, that's a valid point.
jow im the grand emperror noob of the noobest in here so excuse me for asking what IC stands for and why the difference in chips u mentioned is a problem? and what is or are flat packs ? thnx sorry and Grtz haha ;)
@@Yokozunastyle IC stands for integrated circuit. Flat pack is a very flat chip with less plastic in it, hence more gold per weight.
You should look under your fingernail there's probably gold bond wires in them haha
Hi. How do you separate the fine silicon die stuff ?. as it's a pain when panning or using a blue bowl. it mixes with the gold as the weight is near the same as gold in the pan.
Hi,
I don't bother trying to get total separation of the gold and chip debris. I just want to eliminate the vast majority of the debris and create a concentrate containing all the gold. Then I treat the concentrate with aqua regia to dissolve the gold. Then I filter the solution to remove the rest of the debris. Then clean gold can be precipitated from the filtered solution.
Most gold wires are kneaded into plastic. you threw away a lot of gold when panned.
The green color is indicative of nickel, but you would have removed most if not all of it with the magnet earlier.
Yes, I'm sure some nickel, iron and copper made it through. Hard to get all of it out. That's why I always precipitate the gold a minimum of three times to get it as clean as possible.
Nickel is non magnetic.
@@donniebrown2896 False.
Blue is nickel, green is copper
@@ahaveland ever tried to pick up a US 5 cent coin with a magnet? Look up the alloy content.
Low grade stainless steel is magnetic, less nickel
High grade surgical stainless is non magnetic, high content of nickel.
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The chips were white in the crucible, why are they black after you put tem in the blender?
The chips only got white on the outside. They weren't oxidized all the way through. The foundry does a good job of pyrolizing the chips, but not oxidizing them. So there is still a lot of black carbon to deal with. That is a problem I am working on fixing.
@@omegageek64 Action mining makes a tube furnace that solves that problem. Shouldn't be to hard to make one.
Muy bién.
copper heatsink like that broke my blender glass
Same
will the blender chew up the chips before incinerating? that would increase the surface area on witch to react to incinerate. if you have a charcoal briquette chimney starter you might be able to use that as your secondary burner
The chips are pretty tough before incineration. They crumble really easily after. Thanks for the suggestion for the secondary burner.
Where can I find replacement for urea?
Urea is actually pretty easy to find. It is used as a source of nitrogen fertilizer. It can be found in lots of places selling gardening supplies, and of course online. An alternative to urea would be sulfamic acid. Note that is sulfAMic acid, not sulfURic acid. Sulfamic acid is used for cleaning tile grout. It can be found lots of places. Be cautious using it though. It reacts with nitric acid to create nitrous oxide gas. If you have a lot of excess nitrate in your solution and you add the sulfamic acid too quickly, it can foam up and out of the beaker spectacularly. Good luck to you.
Hello Urea is a primary component tin Diesel exhaust fluid (DEF) except it's dissolved in water. Almost any gas station will carry it these days.....
That's incineration not pyrolysis
What type of crucible do you use?
Hi. Here's a link to it on Amazon: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072R2QTYQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
gold is a metal too.
Could I send you material for a video ?
Hi. What sort of material would you like to send?
@@omegageek64 i have all kinds of stuff from placer gold to ic chips
I have failed a few times with both.
@@willsmith4233 Placer gold would be an interesting challenge. It will probably need to be inquarted before refining. How much do you have? I am away from home right now. I may be able to work out something with you after the second week of June.
Assuming I would get it back I have around 15 grams I've collected and I can put up the silver too it will be cool to see my material in your video I have to admit I'm a fan. I can pay a refining fee if thats something you can or will do. I'm not sure how else to contact you other then this comment feed though.
I got it written down you can delete whenever you like.
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pyrolization is done when no more combustible come out the top.
Just can't get away from chemicals. I shoulda known
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Not nice to insult people and you didnt even show us your expert panning techniques on camera.
Trust me... No romantic time from yr wife after this video
I can pan and not lose any gold lol 😂 ya right
Well i can tell you that you can pan all the free gold out i do it with flake gold all the time and i rerun all my pannings through my sluive box and i never find any that was missed.
I can get more gold out of your over washed dust than you get out of a solid gold presmelted bar,,