F-150 Lightning vs. Rivian R1T - Electric Pickup Truck Features
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I'd like to see you give the trucks to two different contractors who aren't into electric transport at all for the day and see if they can use them at work and what their impressions are. Maybe they can switch and then compare notes. BUTTS! IN! SEATS!!!
Zac and Jesse, this is a good idea. The people want to see it happen haha
That's a great idea!!
Like it!
Frickin yeah! Do exactly this!
id watch the shit outta that
1. Turning radius
2. Tug-o- war
3. 0- 60
4. Towing capacity
5. RANGE
6. Ride comfort
7. Cameras?
This Dad & Son combo pushes the most genuine and honest reviews on YT and I love and respect that 🌟
So true! I recently happened upon what appears to be their ICE vehicle/dealership-focused counterparts and I was unimpressed haha. I can’t remember their channel name though.
The AC power on the Ford is a big selling point for me. That's really impressive.
The LOW giant funk PLUS the power was very well thought out.
240v is great, but how much can the battery support and still drive home?
@@YKSGuy It is a must for the Ford. Without the low entry point the front would be useless and far to high off the ground to reach into. The truck to too oversized. I would like to see how the lack of support functions in a collision. Looks like a ramp to shoot a car/truck up into the windshield.
@@williamhedrick5950 You can actually set a cut-point for the inverters to keep yourself from being stranded inadvertently. Also, even the highest wattage power tools likely won't have a large effect on the range, especially if they're not in continuous use.
That last one is not to imply that our power tools are stingy, but that it takes an enormous amount of energy to move around an automobile.
@@h8GW That's my point. It's one thing to put 110v outlets, but by putting 240v in a pickup you're inviting someone to suck a lot of power. Is it really practical or just a selling point?
The Ford feels like a working man's truck while the Rivian is a Show man's truck. Ford nailed it.
Saw a rivian in person and I have to agree. Very beautiful truck but smaller than I imagined it to be and Definitely looked like a show man's truck
The Rivian absolutely dominates the lightning off road, 4 corner air suspension, dominates in performance, handling not even a contest.
Rivian is simply a smaller truck but WAY more capable
I agree. I just wish the bigger battery option would be cheaper. It’s 77k starting with the big battery. I would have loved an option to just upgrade the battery and not all the bells and whistles that go with it.
I got Rivian because it reminds me of a Range Rover/jeep. But it’s way to heavy. So, I probably should’ve gotten the ford. But everyone drives a f150. Rivian does have cool tricks. And I just need an adventure vehicle. Mountain biking/hiking/surfing. I don’t need a working truck.
Range, load limit and towing would have been very important categories to consider
I have a feeling they will do that as a separate comparison. This is a comparison of features. Next a comparison of driving, handling, range, and charging.
You can see that on the website. 😀
If you follow them they have said it many times on the Tesla Time News segment they do.
@@amircohen143 Couple issues with what you suggest first what is advertised on the website it’s pretty well known to not be accurate. Also on a comparison video to assume someone has to watch all your other content to know that information is not a good idea.
Saw a tug of war between the two trucks and the rivian spanked the ford surprisingly
@@briand4936 4 motors and a ton of power in them.. not really surprising. The F150 is no slouch... but that Rivian setup is a beast for speed, power and traction. That damn truck will smoke a LOT of fast cars.
How about bio weapon mode? Do either of these vehicles shield well from dust and smoke getting into the cabin? Very important off roading in the desert areas as well as on dusty job sites.
Fire smoke here, I definitely look at the giant air filters some Tesla have.
To be fair they are trucks for different segments, work truck vs adventure vehicle. Ford wins on storage because its bigger but that also means it will be a pain in more urban settings / parking in a garage. Nice we are finally getting some EV pickup options.
Yeah but the gear tunnel while nice doesn’t really make a difference on off-road adventure worthiness. Honestly the high luxury factor of the Rivian is a major turn off to most adventure type people. Rivian was built for young wealthy city people who want to go camping once a year. I would never take one anywhere fun here in Utah and risk messing up its luxury appointments. But there sure look nice in all the parking lots of Park City
@@invertedcnc705 well said.
How is the heat penetration through the Sun roofs? My Ford Edge roasts me whereas I didn’t even notice the Model Y’s all glass roof.
To be fair, you can have a tonneau cover installed on the Lightning also.
And you can get a much nicer and more reliable one if you're willing to spend the money.
@@danieljohnkirby9412 Honestly aftermarket add-ons are better quality than OEM in most cases.
You forgot cost of the two. Lightning is half the cost of the R1T. Then the Lightning can also do reverse charging, the R1T can't.
You need to do more on range , battery and charging time\issues.
Why is the spare tire an Option on the Rivian??? The Ford won that round because it comes with a spare!
Ford has a real winner on their hands with the lightning. Excellent design for the every day man and a hell of an introduction to electric
I agree. In my opinion, the bed access and spare tire should of gone to ford and not a tie.
Road trip camping, not towing anything. However, maybe an over bed folding tent, like you have for the Rivian. Test range, charging, ease of use ( like access to gear while camping), and using those outlets for making coffee, and cooking some breakfast.
nice, looking forward to the performance tests
Absolutely awesome comparison, cheers!
F-150 vs Cybertruck will be the ultimate electric pick-up trucks comparison
Thanks for the video!
How do SW packages compare?
Thanks, Zac and Jesse. Looking forward to seeing more of these head-to-head videos. Manufacturers should watch your videos and make a truck that combines all the best features of both trucks, like gear tunnel and tonneau cover of the Rivian, frunk that opens like a hatch and back seat storage of the Ford. 👍
A smart man once said "You don't create the new system by obsessing on the current system." Rivian should blow the Ford away because it was "blank sheet" designed to be electric, while Ford did little more than they did with the Focus Electric compliance car - take the gas motor out of a "real" truck and stick in an electric one. Unfortunately, the first thing Rivian did with their blank sheet was draw a picture of a gas truck on it! I wish some company would design an electric truck letting the form follow function - it probably wouldn't look like any other truck ever. Great comparison, guys!
Cybertruck, hint hint.
I'd like to see something like "This Truck Guy" head-to-head. The suburban guy who commutes, shuttles the kids to sports, needs to pack for family camping, and the Home Depot run. The sportsman who wants to carry the gear and access places for camping, fishing, and hunting. The Handyman who needs to haul material, do chores around the house and the vacation property. Etc. How do these trucks meet the needs of people who need trucks?
Couple other things I've not seen. Those unique headlights on the Rivian - how well do they actually work? How well do the lights work in the fog? I'm especially curious as you can't turn off the headlights and run just fog lights on the Rivian like just about every other vehicle. I do that often when the fog is really thick as the headlights are just too dazzling. The bed with the under storage - how robust is it? If you had a load of wood chips or pea stone would it suck to get clean?
How does the Lightning stack up in those?
While I like the Ford's front truck for access, how well does it work when it comes to holding stuff? With the Rivian, I can load up tents, chairs, roll tables, bags of clothes, and pack and pack and pack until the lid won't come down. How easy is it to do that in the Ford? Any chance of whacking your head on the bottom of the Ford's grill? I actually did that once on my '96 Ram when I was doing some engine work.
Gear tunnel is an odd shape. When packing, how easy is it to use that space? What kind of cooler fits that you can access from the rear seats? You need room for the lid to open. Soft coolers would be a pain as the access isn't such to operate a zipper.
You guys are in MA. How do you travel to like Cape Cod or the White Mountains? There are no fast chargers in either place that I can see. Unless you overnight with a level 2 available, how do you do it? For example, if you wanted to go to Pittsburg, NH from Worcester, MA to go snowmobiling, the only option seems to be a stop at St Johnsbury, VT for over 2 hours. And that doesn't even include towing the sleds on a trailer. The only Fast Charger north of Manchester is in Lebanon which isn't exactly along the way to anything but Vermont. On the Cape, there is a charger in Barnstable which is rather out of the way if you are spending a week out in P-town or down in the Falmouth area?
Very surprised you didn't compare the screen usability/responsiveness
Loving the showdown! How about a general driving experience comparison?
btw, Ford's roof opening is a negative in my book...potential leak, and I never used the sunroof on my last Ford, (that did leak)
Both awesome trucks! But can’t wait for the cybertruck!
Great video guys! I’m looking forward to your further comparisons. Having a farm and doing occasional construction work, the F-150 Lightning is the winner for me. I do like the Rivian design and looks better, but with less desirable features and a higher price tag overall, the Lightning is for me. I’m also anxious to see how the Cybertruck will compare, but for now, keep up the great reviews!😊
Great video, waiting for more
To be fair the external storage capacity wasn't a tie. Ford had a bigger bed and frunk, I think you guys just felt a bit sorry for the Rivian getting such a hiding lol.
Great! Looking forward to more. Really well done!
Genuinely excited when i saw this!!
Can you put regular F150 accessories like a topper or tahoe cover on the Lightning? If so then that is a huge advantage. There are a ton of cheapish accessories in the market since regular F-150s are very common.
You can , all F150 accessories are compatible with lightning. Its the same bed.
What trim did you guys get for the f150? Standard battery or extended?
Super professional review.
It would be great to see if the F150 can pass the power tool test you performed on the Rivian. And how about comparing the price (w/ dealer markup) and also typical delivery time from ordering (or availability at dealership).
Great video! Here are some more ideas that might be worth some footage:
1. Rear seat temperature gauge check during hottest part of the day.
2. Remote cooldown test. Leave both outside in the sun and see which one cools down the most in 5-10 minutes.
3. Towing test. Drivability and range.
4. Off-road/Camping test. This one could be really interesting b/c the Rivian specifically markets to this sector.
Do a test like Tesla did where the Ford and Rivian try to pull each other in a tug-of-war! Ford did a great job with their first BEV truck!
I can’t wait to see the comparison with using the power outlets!
Don't need a truck, but the video highlighted many differences about which I didn't know. Great job!
You guys rock !!!..this from a long time subscriber
Been waiting for this one!
Excellent job. For next match, I'd like to know battery capacity, charging times, driving efficiency, infotainment features including navigation / UI, and voice controls.
As many of us have noticed, pickup trucks are the vehicle for many EV haters. The Ford has what it takes to make some of them warm up to EV's. It has the style and functionality to make them feel right at home. If a Ford Lightning or Chevy Silverado EV can't win the heart of the coal rolling type nothing will.
Will be great when you add a Cybertruck to the mix.
Great review
Please test the electrical quality of the sockets. Is the sign wave pure or square ? Will sensitive equipment work or die?
I would be interested in how accurate the truck is in terms of estimating range under different conditions. For example, how accurate is the truck as estimating range when you are carrying a load or towing something? That would be good to know.
Ooooh I want to see terrain challenges!
As usual, awesome video. However, you didn't mention how each truck could power your house in an emergency. Nor did you mention the price differences for what you're getting.
I'm up to watching round 5. When they made this spare tire comparison and made it a tie, when the Rivian doesn't even come standard with a spare tire. Comparing spare tires with a vehicle with a full size spare tire to a vehicle that doesn't come with a spare tire is an easy win hands down for the lightning.
So for access to bed maybe load something. I would think it easier to get into the ford with cargo vs climbing over the side in the rivian
A comparison between vehicles is only relevant if viewed from the perspective of a certain type of buyer. So it would be great to see some reviews from the perspective of a tradesperson, recreation (fisherman, dirt bike rider), overlander and people that tow a lot. It would also be great if after the last episode, you could include a wrap up of some of the online review forums comments regarding any issues affecting these vehicles.
Hi Zack and Jesse, a friend got a Ford Lightning from Carvana to test and we noticed that the FRUNK does not close automatically. It opens, but you have to manually close and it opens pretty high so it is a bit of work to pull it down to close it. I noticed you didn't close it on your review. What's your thoughts on this?
We also noticed that the cooled seats are only the two front seats and the back seats do not have cooling. Maybe we missed being able to turn these on somewhere?
Any updates on what gm is putting out for electric vehicles besides the bolt?
Good job boys
Great video! Can’t wait for tow, range, and capacity tests.
I would like to see how the infotainment systems compare and the over all user experience with the center touchscreen
Main TWO thing is:
1. RANGE when TOWING.
2. OFF-ROAD 4wd system on various Terrains.
I thought the F-150 was a competent first attempt for ford. This video makes me like it more. I still know with zero doubt it's going to be unfair when compared to the cyber truck. Just from what I've seen so far the cybertruck is going to beat it on every level.
Fair reviews!
ford f-150 lightning wins in this comparison. so excited to see more from this truck about charging, range towing performance and more power tools utilization.
A category I would have liked to have seen is technology. How do the UIs/Tech features compare?
Nice comparison, however I would like to see more:
1) 4 X 8 sheet of plywood, 2x4x8, 2x4x10
2) cost comparison
3) efficiency Kw per mile, range, charging speeds
4) ground clearance, approach angle, mileage off road, traction in sand, weight, maneuverability, center ground clearance, power
5) Towing weight, efficiency
6) power to grid. Cost, payoff, emergency
7) looks from truck owners, cost for size, independent ratings from others
8) tire costs
9) repair options, can either service centers fix, how convenient across USA, Spare parts?
10) Acceleration. Drag race! First thing I would have done 😜
I have added a cover to all my F150s. How much would that impact range? I'd think that added airo dynamics would make up for the added weight.
Aero makes a much larger impact than weight (aka rolling resistance) - which is, in part, why towing is so awful in an EV: you have the aero of the vehicle plus the aero of the thing you're towing (and their weights obviously).
Great fair review
Useful for consideration. So far leaning towards the F150. Kinda waiting on Ford to come up with EV 250 and above.
Ford has stated that an EV F250+ wont happen.
Really depends a lot on what you want it for. The Ford is hands down the better work truck but I’m pretty sure if you were testing driving performance and off road capability the Rivian would crush it in those areas.
I'd like to see which one does better towing, feel and use of power.
I have money in hand for the lightning, but the dealership wants to show me the Powerboost sitting on thier lot, saying it's going to be a crap shoot to get one figure a year maybe more for a lightning.
Headlights, ride, noise, efficiency, range accuracy, heater, navigation (w/charging), tailgating, bonus features, value, service, security, camping, lane keeping, safety
You missed that the tailgate can go down to help reach the tire area more and you missed that there is a speaker wireless under the arm rest and storage there for the rivian
Haha at the categories.. where are the major ones? Interior styling? Exterior styling? Acceleration? Range? Pricing? Handling? Breaking? Offroad capabilties
I'd say the R1T would take almost all of these KEY qualities
Are you working with any of the manufactures integrating a trailer battery/regen that ties into the trucks battery system so that you don't lose range when towing? I would love to see reviews of those new systems and performance!
You graded storage in an awkward way. For those of us who actually use trucks, the most important and relative factor is what you can carry. I think you should have used a quantitative measure here. You call it a tie but I firmly believe the actual truck market will reward Ford for the choices they made. Personally, I prefer the Rivian but the one thing Ford knows better than any other maker is what truck buyers want
Love to see head to head comparisons like this! As others have noted below, it would be great to do the same thing for other features and aspects of the vehicle like range, price, availability/wait times, towing, handling etc
Enphase stock is doing awesome! Beating every other stock!
How do they compare when used as a passenger vehicle? Lots of trucks are effectively second cars. So, how about ride, handling, maneuverability, etc. That also ties in the range issue -- how far could a family go on a trip, and how fast can they cover gorund taking charging times into account? How good is the nav, including charging advice.
I wonder how heating in the 2 trucks would compare (in places with cold winters).
I would like to see a winter series when you get snow. Supposedly, Rivian has an advantage in traction. Does it really make any difference or is it just a tire test. Keep up the great job!
Great job, guys! But, you missed a very BIG feature that Jim Farley highlighted in F150. Lightning, with its 240 volt outlet, can charge a stranded Tesla (or Rivian). It isn’t practical for a Rivian to charge any other EV at only 120 volts.
Good head to head. Load, shocks, leveling would have been good additions.
I want to know the price for each? I suspect the Rivian was more but idk how many options you went with? Battery size?
I think doing an off road camping adventure would be great!
Winter's coming. I'd like to see both of these trucks handle a snow plow
If loading up the back with camping gear, you take the spare tyre out and put it back on top of your gear..
Fill the tyre spot with camping supplies.. :)
Price, range, charging speed and battery chemistry comparisons are important. As far as I'm concerned Ford has nailed it. I am a functional person. Vehicle to home in a black out, on site power, being able to charge another EV. Functionality is king for me.
Love the review but can't belive you didn't do towing, range, charging and all that stuff.
2 very nice trucks.
Be good to know how long those outlets will provide power for both individually and as group at the same time. Would not be good to drain power and wait age's for recharge.
Ford wins easily as a usable pickup. Full size pickups are much more comfortable/relaxing on trips as well in my opinion- like comparing a Tacoma with a Tundra. I feel confined in the Tacoma. Our Tundra great for family trips- dumbs.. Toyota really dropped the ball as we transition . Ford did well, as a former early Rivian reservation cancel, who is now waiting for a CT. If I knew the CT would take much longer I would definitely order the lightning. 240v outlet is huge, as well as full size bed. I race motocross and am expecting an electric Stark Varg in December, plugging in 240v for charge at the track awesome as the moto community transitions as well.
I’m a Tesla fan boy but love the lightning!
And Tesla doesn't offer anything similar
Lighting is nice but I’ll happily wait for my Cybertruck.
So- having 240v is great, but how much can you use and still have enough battery to make it home? What's the towing capacity? What's the range? Critical issues not covered.
Off-road clearance would be fun to see. It looks like the Ford's plastic bumper limits quite a bit, so I'm curious if aftermarket solutions would allow it to hang with the Rivian.
Amazing!
It’s utility and space comparison NOT technology but still fair and giving good view to people.
There's no question round two goes to the lightning for several reasons. Most important how easy it is to put things into the trunk. Second the Rivian doesn't have any 120 volt outlets in the truck just a 12 volt outlet. where the lightning has 4 120 volt recepticals and USB a & c.
Would love to see some off-road towing comparisons please.
Happy to see you got the f150 finally..
I've kind of grown out of my Truck phase. The first thing I do is put a camper or cover on the back to protect what I'm hauling.. and the Model Y did that for me. The only thing interesting now is the battery to grid.. or simply the ability to run things in the house from the battery pack during a power outage. I have a Cybertruck RWD on order, but that could be cancelled simply because they don't want to make it.. I may be okay with that. Autonomous delivery trucks in the future may make the need for a Full size truck go away.. and just be a pain to park and take up space.. and a pain to keep charged.
You do know you can upgrade the Cybertruck to two motors right? That's what I did. It's not a bad idea to go ~50 miles further and convert it to an all-wheel drive for $10k extra.
How about you take both of these into Boston and find a parking spot. That could be hilarious. Or do the classic attempt to drive around and park your car in harvard yard.
I would like to see an A to B timed challenge that includes recharging (maybe 1000 km). Also, I would like to see an off-road challenge, here I think the Rivian is aimed at, Ford seems more an on-road truck, but need the challenge to confirm.