Thank you for this description. I have been there. It was before the museum was built but I did walk the field. It was very moving. My impression was that this gave Custer the belief that natives would run and not put up a determined defense. He thought the same tactics would always work, the worst decision a military commander can make.
For those weak sisters keep in mind this is exactly how warfare had been executed by Indians tribes in North America for many generations. THe arrival of the Horse gave them more mobility but attacking villages was SOP by both sides.
I know right. And people think us British and the Germans are savages. We only did what's been done countless times before. And the Irishman, the Indian and the Jew needed to be controlled and civilised.
I visited this site when I was young with my grandparents, we met an old native woman there I won't post her name here but she was very helpful and was waiting on us before we got there. We had some weird stuff going on that involved the history of this place. I'd say she laid some things to rest for us on that field under an old tree right by the river. Other people came for the same reason. To hang stuff in this tree. If you know you know.
It's also all but forgotten that the conflict with the plains tribes followed a predictable cycle. These tribes would raid, pillage, torture, and kill during the fair weather months, then sue for peace as winter approached. It was well-known that the natives could not sustain warfare during winter, which is pretty much the only thing that brought them to the table at that time. The same cycle followed in Colorado which culminated in the Battle of Sand Creek.
Nice job as usual!! I have an amazing M- 1865 Spencer showing much saddle wear and sling swivel cuts, but 100% correct even cartouche faintly visible. I like to think it was carried by the 7th, or even used at Beecher Island, or Washita, a great spiritual attachment I have to that Spencer. I would also add that the patina on this Spencer is stunning as it is complete and uniform on both wood and metal.
To Jay Hall. I'm not against GAC, anymore than other's, are. As I said a few days ago, in another Comment. Not only was GAC, given very broad, discrisinary orders when in the Act of pursuing the Hostile, Native's. But so too were the other General Officers also in the Field? My own thoughts of GAC, are purely based, on what I have read of His character, and His, past actions around his peers. That issue aside Jay? I do appreciate the comments, you made toward me. Heck who knows? Maybe we will bump into One another at the Battlefield site some time in the Future? In closing, May God Bless, You n Your's. Also Thanks 👍🙏😊 for the opportunity too comment Back. WYO, Robert, 👀👀🤔🤔🇨🇦🇺🇸🇨🇦🇺🇸👍👍🙏🙏
It is very interesting indeed. It seems he needed more scouts and more time. Given what happened in 1867 during Hancock's War, he always got the slip. Interesting to ponder how this affected his decision-making in 1876
I was able to visit the Washita site back in 2001, At the time I knew very little about the fight,And when I was there There was not much except a few plaques and some markers...I didn't get to go into the area of where the village had stood..there were signs posted telling you that you cannot go into the area as it being cleaned up of invasive plant species. I wish I had more time to spend there
Hi, it it possible to get the Battle of Little Big Horn videos, labeled sequentially so they can be watched in order? I see Episodes 2 and 3, but no 1.
Thanks, the first video I have seen on this battle ! What a shame it was done to one of the most peaceful Indian Chiefs there were ! And how unfortunate that Custer got away with this daring victory, because it certainly was not likely achievable again, especially not in the summer !
Benteen always hated and blamed Custer for not finding out what happened to his bestest buddy Elliott. Then he went and did the exact same thing to Custer at LBH.
Ultimately lbh was a gross error on gac. He could have waited for troops on the big horn river. Throw in that cryptic message and his inflated ego and he got what he deserved. I am from Monroe and years ago when I was a kid someone shot an arrow into his statue. How fitting! I have read several books on this and I can tell you that a lot of what is written is pure bs. You have to read between the lines and put yourself there to truly understand how psychotic this man was. And someone had the bright idea to make a statue. Don't tell me that was for historical purposes. If the public knew his true nature they wouldn't erect a monument.
@@Jay_Hall 53 women and children to be exact. They were used as shields in the center of Custer's retreating column to keep from being attacked by braves from other camps.
@@matthewhicks1725 Well not quite. It worked at the Washita, but not so well at the Little Big Horn. Custer's intention was to cross the river and ride into the camp and take hostages with the idea the braves would stop fighting. Plan "B" didn't work out well either.
its not beyond the level of the video at all.Black Kettle explained well that he could not control the so called worshipped dog soldiers who were using the camp as home base. Thats why they were followed there after their raids. Black Kettle wanted to get the hell out of the area because the gang members were out of control. And thats what they were brave but "gang members" who brought death and destruction to the camps even though Black Kettle was negotiating to head towards the fort. The "dog soldiers" should not have used Kettles camp as safe haven with its american flag. Thats why he was off to the side to the south away from the more militant other tribes camped out. The worshipped "dog soldiers" went in and intermixed with a more peaceful band TO BE SAFER after their raids. When Custer went in he did not stop and send in parley to do a survey and pow wow and wait for the report weeks later before attacking. They did not know what that camp was.
Scott. Please enumerate the factual errors and provide the relevant sources with links to those sources if possible. If substantive, I will correct the record as I did with the video on The Battle of the Bulge.
Black kettle was not killed at the site! He escaped, it's all right there in the museum, I grew up in Roger mills Co. This is the second video I've watched full of mistakes SMH
I will be in the museum this summer. Until then, here is what the NPS has to say on the matter. www.nps.gov/sand/learn/historyculture/black-kettle-biography.htm
@@MilitaryHistory317 I feel ya bro, im not being mean. I grew up in strong city, Hammon, & Cheyenne area, every utube version I've listened to has a different story of wat happened from people that never even been there. Original is... Custer & his patrol were on way from Fort dodge to hood. SOP was to stash half of supply at packsaddle for the way back. Starving washita found it, ofcoarse they took it. Custer then very butt hurt tracked em down & well... I did find ur presentation very good tho, for watever that's worth! Soldier on
@Rickey Horstkoetter No worries. I want to get on the ground there as soon as possible. I appreciate any feedback, especially if it sets the record straight. If you have good sources, let me know.
@@MilitaryHistory317 good sources that's funny. Bro jus wat I've red over the years, grew up working with my grandpa on his farm in strong city less than 5 miles from Cheyenne. Been to the site several times in my life, the museum also. Now my memory ain't proper as it was. And nobody knows the 100% truth only wat those at the time wanted to let be known. In Hammon in the 60's & 70s there were basically 2 family's of Indians ..Kiowa & Arapaho. Mostly they all stayed to themselves separated. You perhaps should check into the history of packsaddle crossing. Was a major landmark & mile stone for civilian and military. That's wat triggered the slaughter from my reading & memory. The elk city library had loads of information on it wen I was a kid. Before u know Google. Enjoy ur visit to the site. Many people feel the energy there, some have bad experience some have good. My mother born in elk, only has went once, it freaked her out. For me about half the time I have went I feel a very powerful idk presence, energy, once my hair on my arms stood up for a long minute like static electricity or something. We always took offerings, some tobacco. I have couple native American friends they always say do that. So I do! Even wen hunting artifacts I make offering1st. Can't hurt
@@Jay_Hall It’s not a Massacre when the Attacking force has 20 killed and 15 wounded. Then has execute a faint to get out of there alive. And yes it was Total War. That is how Sheridan and Sherman conducted their Business. It’s how they won the Civil War. And it’s how they approached the Indian Wars. Waging Total War is not a Nice Thing. But calling it a Massacre? I don’t think so. The Sand Creek deal with Chivington. That was a Massacre.
@@matthewhicks1725 Depends what is meant by "total war". The Indians had no problem in carrying out massacres of civilians, that was part of the problem, enraged militias.
Nice explanation of the Washita Battle. To me Mister, Data Meister, the "Luck" that Custer thrived, on in not only The Civil War? But also His Indian Battles, & the previous minor Engagements, He had been in, up till then. With the Hostile, Tribe's, on the Great Plains? Finally I think 🤔🤔 as they said, His Luck? just ran out on Him. While attending West Point? The only required Course, that He passed Well, during His Tenure there was Horsemanship, & Cavalry Tactics! While there the other Ones? He Had aquirred so many Demerits? That the then Administration almost didn't allow Him to Graduate, with His proper Class!! These Facts and other known things about His Career & the stunt's He had pulled off previous? Too the Battle of The Washita River. All the Evidence is there too prove His Time was soon Coming to an End. Like Fetterman, Grafton, and some Others? He was a very Lucky Leader. As four the Tactics He was using? I'd say they were very Risky, & iffy at Best for the Country n Area's, they were trying too Operate in. Thank You for Your excellent Explanation Above. Wyo, Robert, 🇨🇦🇺🇸🇨🇦🇺🇸👀👀👍👍🙏🙏
Robert, U have an unhealthy hard on for GAC. The guy had skillz, drive, energy, courage and ambition,,and loads of charisma, there is a reason that when the going got tough his superiors always called on him to do the job. Was he perfect in all things, no, but remember he was only 36 when he died and gave his life time fighting for the Union and then occupation of the South then on to protecting the settlers from the Indians killing and raping them and then making westward expansion possible. Not bad for all of 36 years, Robert. :)
@@Jay_Hall Jay, you can try to sensationalize Custer all you want, like his wife Libby did, but the facts remain that Custer graduated last in his class at West Point, with plenty of demerits on his record--- He was court-martialed twice and reduced in rank for going AWOL--- He disobeyed orders on a regular basis, including the day that he was responsible for his entire detachment getting killed at the Battle of the Greasy Grass------
@@thomasfoss9963 Thomas, you are a hater with wrong information, Custer was only 36 when killed, and was always the tip of the spear, because his superiors knew he would get the job done. In reality U know very little about the man Custer.
For Custer fanboys: What is the furthest he ventured from the main army in the civil war? It is one thing to be bold and daring when you have big brother at your back. It is quite another to be brash out on your own.
The "Battle of the Washita" was the the same kind of battle as the "Battle of My Lai" was in Vietnam. Old people, women, and children and all Indian wounded were shot down in cold blood. Black Kettle was a Chief friendly to the US and flew an American Flag to show it. He had been told it would afford him protection. He and his wife were shot in the back. Custer made his escape by putting 53 women and and children in the middle of his column to keep braves from other camps from attacking. The part of this video that tells of a scout informing Custer about some soldiers killing noncombatants is pure 🐂💩. It is the kind of lie repeated to salvage part of Custer's reputation. The scouts were never in the village. Custer was a true hero during the Civil War. He should have retired as one. Instead he went West and became nothing more than a murderer. The non-call on the Washita being a battle or a massacre is pure 🐔💩.
Bob, you just proved my point, "53 women and children", were taken as prisoner, and they fared far better than the White Woman and her baby that were slaughtered by the Indians in that Washita village. Do your research Bud!
@@Jay_Hall I have done my research. My Master's Thesis was on Custer. The only primary source material is from killers that took part in a massacre or oral history from NAI survivors. That white woman and baby
@@Jay_Hall Did you know Custer took one of the women captives as his woman and had a blond baby with her. I doubt if she was given a lot of choice in the matter. The baby died but by Cheyenne belief that made him a relative. It was still ok to kill him, but that was the reason Custer's body was the only one not mutilated at LBH. The women did pierce his ears with an awl so he could hear better in the next world. They had warned him that if he made war on them again, they would kill him.
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Thank you for this description. I have been there. It was before the museum was built but I did walk the field. It was very moving. My impression was that this gave Custer the belief that natives would run and not put up a determined defense. He thought the same tactics would always work, the worst decision a military commander can make.
For those weak sisters keep in mind this is exactly how warfare had been executed by Indians tribes in North America for many generations. THe arrival of the Horse gave them more mobility but attacking villages was SOP by both sides.
I know right. And people think us British and the Germans are savages. We only did what's been done countless times before. And the Irishman, the Indian and the Jew needed to be controlled and civilised.
I visited this site when I was young with my grandparents, we met an old native woman there I won't post her name here but she was very helpful and was waiting on us before we got there. We had some weird stuff going on that involved the history of this place. I'd say she laid some things to rest for us on that field under an old tree right by the river. Other people came for the same reason. To hang stuff in this tree. If you know you know.
The slaughter of horses, as well as Buffalo, sickens me
It had to be done, it was the tribes principal transportation
It's also all but forgotten that the conflict with the plains tribes followed a predictable cycle. These tribes would raid, pillage, torture, and kill during the fair weather months, then sue for peace as winter approached. It was well-known that the natives could not sustain warfare during winter, which is pretty much the only thing that brought them to the table at that time. The same cycle followed in Colorado which culminated in the Battle of Sand Creek.
Nice job as usual!! I have an amazing M- 1865 Spencer showing much saddle wear and sling swivel cuts, but 100% correct even cartouche faintly visible. I like to think it was carried by the 7th, or even used at Beecher Island, or Washita, a great spiritual attachment I have to that Spencer. I would also add that the patina on this Spencer is stunning as it is complete and uniform on both wood and metal.
That sounds like an amazing heirloom.
Thank you sir. :)
To Jay Hall. I'm not against GAC, anymore than other's, are. As I said a few days ago, in another Comment.
Not only was GAC, given very broad, discrisinary orders when in the Act of pursuing the Hostile, Native's.
But so too were the other General Officers also in the Field? My own thoughts of GAC, are purely based, on what I have read of His character, and His, past actions around his peers. That issue aside Jay? I do appreciate the comments, you made toward me. Heck who knows? Maybe we will bump into One another at the Battlefield site some time in the Future? In closing, May God Bless, You n Your's. Also Thanks 👍🙏😊 for the opportunity too comment Back. WYO, Robert, 👀👀🤔🤔🇨🇦🇺🇸🇨🇦🇺🇸👍👍🙏🙏
@@robertwaid3579 My best to you Robert. :)
Astounding that the other large concentrations of Indians east of Black Kettle's village were not detected before the attack on Black Kettle.
It is very interesting indeed. It seems he needed more scouts and more time. Given what happened in 1867 during Hancock's War, he always got the slip. Interesting to ponder how this affected his decision-making in 1876
I was able to visit the Washita site back in 2001,
At the time I knew very little about the fight,And when I was there
There was not much except a few plaques and some markers...I didn't get to go into the area of where the village had stood..there were signs posted telling you that you cannot go into the area as it being cleaned up of invasive plant species.
I wish I had more time to spend there
Stephen,,Holy Ground. :)
Thank you for the video! Awesome content!
Hi, it it possible to get the Battle of Little Big Horn videos, labeled sequentially so they can be watched in order? I see Episodes 2 and 3, but no 1.
Thanks, the first video I have seen on this battle ! What a shame it was done to one of the most peaceful Indian Chiefs there were ! And how unfortunate that Custer got away with this daring victory, because it certainly was not likely achievable again, especially not in the summer !
All your videos are well done.
Benteen always hated and blamed Custer for not finding out what happened to his bestest buddy Elliott. Then he went and did the exact same thing to Custer at LBH.
Ultimately lbh was a gross error on gac. He could have waited for troops on the big horn river. Throw in that cryptic message and his inflated ego and he got what he deserved. I am from Monroe and years ago when I was a kid someone shot an arrow into his statue. How fitting! I have read several books on this and I can tell you that a lot of what is written is pure bs. You have to read between the lines and put yourself there to truly understand how psychotic this man was. And someone had the bright idea to make a statue. Don't tell me that was for historical purposes. If the public knew his true nature they wouldn't erect a monument.
It was definitely without a doubt, a massacre.
Tom, far from it. Many prisoners taken.
@@Jay_Hall 53 women and children to be exact. They were used as shields in the center of Custer's retreating column to keep from being attacked by braves from other camps.
@@bobporch That move was complete genius
@@matthewhicks1725 Well not quite. It worked at the Washita, but not so well at the Little Big Horn. Custer's intention was to cross the river and ride into the camp and take hostages with the idea the braves would stop fighting. Plan "B" didn't work out well either.
@@matthewhicks1725 So true! :)
its not beyond the level of the video at all.Black Kettle explained well that he could not control the so called worshipped dog soldiers who were using the camp as home base. Thats why they were followed there after their raids. Black Kettle wanted to get the hell out of the area because the gang members were out of control. And thats what they were brave but "gang members" who brought death and destruction to the camps even though Black Kettle was negotiating to head towards the fort. The "dog soldiers" should not have used Kettles camp as safe haven with its american flag. Thats why he was off to the side to the south away from the more militant other tribes camped out. The worshipped "dog soldiers" went in and intermixed with a more peaceful band TO BE SAFER after their raids. When Custer went in he did not stop and send in parley to do a survey and pow wow and wait for the report weeks later before attacking. They did not know what that camp was.
sand creek is a different story that was a brutal massacre by Chivington of a peaceful camp. washita they did not know what the hell the camp was.
A good attempt at a factual video how ever it is flawed in many ways.
Scott. Please enumerate the factual errors and provide the relevant sources with links to those sources if possible. If substantive, I will correct the record as I did with the video on The Battle of the Bulge.
you had me fooled for about 48 hours but I quickly spotted your a phd.
In your graphics Major Joel H. Elliott's name is spelled incorrectly (Elliot). He was my great, great, great, uncle.
Sorry about that! I see that Joel was part of the famous Grierson's raid in 1863.
Black kettle was not killed at the site! He escaped, it's all right there in the museum, I grew up in Roger mills Co. This is the second video I've watched full of mistakes SMH
I will be in the museum this summer. Until then, here is what the NPS has to say on the matter. www.nps.gov/sand/learn/historyculture/black-kettle-biography.htm
@@MilitaryHistory317 I feel ya bro, im not being mean. I grew up in strong city, Hammon, & Cheyenne area, every utube version I've listened to has a different story of wat happened from people that never even been there. Original is... Custer & his patrol were on way from Fort dodge to hood. SOP was to stash half of supply at packsaddle for the way back. Starving washita found it, ofcoarse they took it. Custer then very butt hurt tracked em down & well...
I did find ur presentation very good tho, for watever that's worth! Soldier on
@Rickey Horstkoetter No worries. I want to get on the ground there as soon as possible. I appreciate any feedback, especially if it sets the record straight. If you have good sources, let me know.
@@MilitaryHistory317 good sources that's funny. Bro jus wat I've red over the years, grew up working with my grandpa on his farm in strong city less than 5 miles from Cheyenne. Been to the site several times in my life, the museum also. Now my memory ain't proper as it was. And nobody knows the 100% truth only wat those at the time wanted to let be known. In Hammon in the 60's & 70s there were basically 2 family's of Indians ..Kiowa & Arapaho. Mostly they all stayed to themselves separated. You perhaps should check into the history of packsaddle crossing. Was a major landmark & mile stone for civilian and military. That's wat triggered the slaughter from my reading & memory. The elk city library had loads of information on it wen I was a kid. Before u know Google. Enjoy ur visit to the site. Many people feel the energy there, some have bad experience some have good. My mother born in elk, only has went once, it freaked her out. For me about half the time I have went I feel a very powerful idk presence, energy, once my hair on my arms stood up for a long minute like static electricity or something. We always took offerings, some tobacco. I have couple native American friends they always say do that. So I do! Even wen hunting artifacts I make offering1st. Can't hurt
Great informative video- however it was a massacre.
Not a Massacre…Total War
No, not total war.
@@Jay_Hall It’s not a Massacre when the Attacking force has 20 killed and 15 wounded. Then has execute a faint to get out of there alive. And yes it was Total War. That is how Sheridan and Sherman conducted their Business. It’s how they won the Civil War. And it’s how they approached the Indian Wars. Waging Total War is not a Nice Thing. But calling it a Massacre? I don’t think so. The Sand Creek deal with Chivington. That was a Massacre.
@@matthewhicks1725 Depends what is meant by "total war". The Indians had no problem in carrying out massacres of civilians, that was part of the problem, enraged militias.
Just like My Lia was total war in Vietnam, and just as honorable.
@@bobporch Who was taking prisoners at My Lia? Get educated bud!
Nice explanation of the Washita Battle. To me Mister, Data Meister, the "Luck" that Custer thrived, on in not only The Civil War? But also His Indian Battles, & the previous minor Engagements, He had been in, up till then.
With the Hostile, Tribe's, on the Great Plains? Finally I think 🤔🤔 as they said, His Luck? just ran out on Him. While attending West Point? The only required Course, that He passed Well, during His Tenure there was Horsemanship, & Cavalry Tactics! While there the other Ones? He Had aquirred so many Demerits?
That the then Administration almost didn't allow Him to Graduate, with His proper Class!! These Facts and other known things about His Career & the stunt's He had pulled off previous? Too the Battle of The Washita River. All the Evidence is there too prove His Time was soon Coming to an End. Like Fetterman, Grafton, and some Others? He was a very Lucky Leader. As four the Tactics He was using? I'd say they were very Risky, & iffy at Best for the Country n Area's, they were trying too Operate in. Thank You for Your excellent Explanation Above. Wyo, Robert, 🇨🇦🇺🇸🇨🇦🇺🇸👀👀👍👍🙏🙏
Robert, U have an unhealthy hard on for GAC. The guy had skillz, drive, energy, courage and ambition,,and loads of charisma, there is a reason that when the going got tough his superiors always called on him to do the job. Was he perfect in all things, no, but remember he was only 36 when he died and gave his life time fighting for the Union and then occupation of the South then on to protecting the settlers from the Indians killing and raping them and then making westward expansion possible. Not bad for all of 36 years, Robert. :)
@@Jay_Hall Jay, you can try to sensationalize Custer all you want, like his wife Libby did, but the facts remain that Custer graduated last in his class at West Point, with plenty of demerits on his record--- He was court-martialed twice and reduced in rank for going AWOL--- He disobeyed orders on a regular basis, including the day that he was responsible for his entire detachment getting killed at the Battle of the Greasy Grass------
@@thomasfoss9963 Thomas, you are a hater with wrong information, Custer was only 36 when killed, and was always the tip of the spear, because his superiors knew he would get the job done. In reality U know very little about the man Custer.
For Custer fanboys:
What is the furthest he ventured from the main army in the civil war?
It is one thing to be bold and daring when you have big brother at your back. It is quite another to be brash out on your own.
@@howardwhite1507 Go back to watching the movie and Hollywood lies. GAC was the Patton of his day, do some research.
The "Battle of the Washita" was the the same kind of battle as the "Battle of My Lai" was in Vietnam. Old people, women, and children and all Indian wounded were shot down in cold blood. Black Kettle was a Chief friendly to the US and flew an American Flag to show it. He had been told it would afford him protection. He and his wife were shot in the back. Custer made his escape by putting 53 women and and children in the middle of his column to keep braves from other camps from attacking. The part of this video that tells of a scout informing Custer about some soldiers killing noncombatants is pure 🐂💩. It is the kind of lie repeated to salvage part of Custer's reputation. The scouts were never in the village. Custer was a true hero during the Civil War. He should have retired as one. Instead he went West and became nothing more than a murderer. The non-call on the Washita being a battle or a massacre is pure 🐔💩.
Bob, you just proved my point, "53 women and children", were taken as prisoner, and they fared far better than the White Woman and her baby that were slaughtered by the Indians in that Washita village. Do your research Bud!
@@Jay_Hall I have done my research. My Master's Thesis was on Custer. The only primary source material is from killers that took part in a massacre or oral history from NAI survivors. That white woman and baby
That white woman and baby 🐂 💩 is the kind of lie told by murderers in their attempt to justify their horrific actions.
@@bobporch LOL!! Your credibility is ZERO. :)
@@Jay_Hall Did you know Custer took one of the women captives as his woman and had a blond baby with her. I doubt if she was given a lot of choice in the matter. The baby died but by Cheyenne belief that made him a relative. It was still ok to kill him, but that was the reason Custer's body was the only one not mutilated at LBH. The women did pierce his ears with an awl so he could hear better in the next world. They had warned him that if he made war on them again, they would kill him.
"Battle"? Washita River was no more a battle than the Nazi's massacre of Jews at Babi Yar.