ODST and the 9 Circles of Hell - Lore and Theory
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- In this episode: Today, we look at a prevelant theory on similarities between Halo 3 ODST, Dantes Inferno, and the Hollow Men, while also rallying help for the Y Glyph Mystery! Remember if you want to help solve the Mystery Jump into my Discord: / discord and ask for the ODST role.
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This looks oddly familiar...
Why? What am i missing?
@@biglenin7306 I think it's a reference to spawn? Idrk
Hmmm I wonder why
@@biglenin7306 he's one of the people who's actually thoroughly investigated this topic.
THeGlyPhs
One of the things that makes me love ODST is how many parallels and symbolic themes are in its plot. Like how Officer Branley was basically doing the job of a soldier in the audio logs, while the Rookie acts as a detective in the campaign.
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That's true. . .
I never thought aboutthat! That's such a cool dynamic
I’m not religious or anything, but I always loved the biblical references present throughout the Halo series. Something about ancient Christian symbolism in a sci-fi setting adds to Halo’s charm and mysticism.
As a Christian, I also think it’s pretty cool even just from a fictional sense, not taking into regard my religion at all, all the parallels give a sense that there’s something bigger going on, and that the narrative has been years in the making, I think that’s why I love halo, and shows like death note so much
Guess you could say the master chief is the spirit of justice to save humanity and bring down the covenant that try to eradicate humanity.
Doom guy/ Doom slayer is the spirit of vengeance, seeking revenge on hell for taking everything away from him, his comrades, his family, and his pet Daisy.
Both make their marks in their worlds, while both chief and the slayer are very different, one can't help if their roles were reverse, chief would've followed the path of torment and the slayer protecting earth no matter the cost.
@@tlee-gc6ym this is why halonwill forever be one of my favorite games
Same and it's interesting how these biblical references especially in ODST are included.
You don't have to be religious to be into religious stuff. I'm not religious in any way and I love learning about christian lore and symbolism because it's really cool
Thanks to ODST I think of New Mombasa every time I’m in a city,downtown, at night. Especially if it’s raining.
I've had a few epic moments walking to class in the rain when a rainy track from Halo ODST graced my ears through my headphones.
Dallas in the rain definitely feels it.
I remember listening to Epitasis game soundtrack while roaming in new mobasa
I did the same thing when I lived in Tokyo, nothing like it especially if your playing the music in the beginning loading screen
And those first piano notes play in your head
The religious parallels get even deeper when you realize you meet god at the end of the game.
Sergeant Johnson
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Rofl
Our God and saviour Sergeant Johnson
"If God is love, then you can call me Cupid!" - our lord and savior Sgt. Johnson
"Hello sir, do you have a moment to talk about out lord and savior sgt. Johnson"
I know I’m late to the party, but I feel like the whole Inferno motif goes one level further. Inferno ends with Dante and Vergil descending down Satan’s body and emerging at the base of the mountain of Purgatory at dawn on Easter Sunday. The last level is Rookie, Buck, Dare, and Virgil emerging from the Data Hive at dawn, and ascending away from Hell.
Well spotted!
During their escape, Dante questions Virgil as to whether or not they're returning to hell - Vergil clears up his confusion, explaining that the time in their hemisphere is between the hours of Prime (06:00) and Terce (09:00), making it the 07:30 of the Holy Saturday. This perfectly fits the time for the mission "Coastal Highway" which takes place at dawn on October 21st 2552, which is also a Saturday.
We did come to the same conclusion as you, but spent a long time refining the details to make this as air tight as possible.
An excellent observation though, my friend
The symbolism and secrets in this game make me understand why people get so into potential secrets in Destiny. Bungie knows secrets
Thats assuming Bungie even knows what they are writing. Half the time community figures out perceived purpose or story. Only to be told uh nope we thought it was cool looking or similar.
“Betrayer of country” may refer to Buck “popping smoke on the lady’s plan”- Forgetting about DARE’s, and by proxy oni and the UNSC’s mission to secure the Engineer. “Betrayer of Guest” Could refer to the achievement “Naughty Naughty” where the rookie kills Engineers, a guest of Earth, and one of which being a guest of the UNSC after defecting from the covenant.
No it's Mickey being a insurrectionist that's the betrayer of country
You could also say that Veronica Dare is an equivalent to Beatrice. Beatrice was the love of Dante’s life, although his love for her was unrequited. Beatrice however is also present as a character in the divine comedy, who Dante has to pass through the realms of the afterlife in order to reach her. Where Beatrice eventually guides Dante in paradise. Dare is a character the player has to journey to reach her and is the love interest of Buck aswell. You could say that at the end of the game when they take off in the phantom that they are escaping from hell and flying toward heaven. Having completed their journey through hell.
Very cool connection.
"I have yet to meet anyone that dislike ODST."
*Looks at Ray Narvaez Jr.*
Then again, Ray is also the guy that kept asking where *Hercules* was in a *Greek* themed video game about a guy that had nothing to do with *Heracles.*
What do you mean in a greek themed video game, if your trying to say Hercules/Heracles isn't originally greek and are trying to mock a guy for calling it out then stop trying to be a wise arse if your just an arse
@@user-ve3jk4uc3o wut
First, Ray kept saying "Hercules", which is his Roman name... in a game that's using the Greek version of everything.
Then asking, rather seriously, where Heracles was and that every other character was unimportant.
@@Practitioner_of_Diogenes He just used the wrong name for a common and near universal character in mythology
What about ODST does he not like?
@@autumngottlieb3071 Mostly because he felt it was too short and because it lacked Master Chief.
Did anyone else then the vol to max during the beginning and the. Hear him come in with “HALO ODST” at deafening volume? Worth it
Lol same
That was a hard read
Rookie's name's Dante confirmed
We do actually know the Rookie's initials: J.D. Though given that Rookie is a blank slate, it's often speculated that this could be John Doe.
@@stuntman7799 yep, it's a John Doe reference, although we have too many Johns with Chief and Forge. I tend to believe that the D it for Dante, and the J... no clue, could actually be another John though.
@@stuntman7799 no no no... it’s “Just Dante”
I like to think that rookie name is actually James David
@@Nomad958 it’s one of those generic enough names to actually make sense
The 30 logs along with the last part of Sadie's story in the ONI facility, superintendent core, the highway run and the last stand all match with the 34 Cantos of Inferno. That's a very interesting parallel.
You mean Dante Inferno not cantos
@@javiertorres1290 the chapters in Dante's Inferno are labeled as Canto's.
How many people outside of virgil did dante see in limbo? And how many covenant soldiers are on the first level?
Doesn't the number of enemies change by difficulty?
@@autumngottlieb3071 idk
@@autumngottlieb3071 Could probably simplify to the enemy GROUP spawn point. I don't think difficulty changes number of spawn location.
Although they could have a fixed number via converting grunts to brute instead of adding more enemy. Might check out this tomorrow :P
@@autumngottlieb3071 I played on legendary and the number of enemies didn't change, just their
health and damage output.
Never thought I'd hear you say "big brain energy"
I played this when I was maybe 13 when it came out and all I remember is getting lost a lot.
I got lost.
Till I used the map
My game was glitched, I couldn't get past the first level no matter how many times I completed it
If I remember correctly there's actually a mention of Dantes Inferno in Ghost of Onyx when Kurt and them reach the planets core where the portal to the dyson sphere is. Not sure if that's related but could be worth looking in to if someone wants. On another note for the 4 types of betrayers, there are 4 characters on the last level. Guest, Country, Kin and Benefactor. I think the Engineer is actually more a betrayer of country since the covenant is an alliance but also a nation, Dare is the betrayer of guest since she ups and abandons Alpha 9, who are under her command, in favor of achieving her mission, while Buck "pops smoke" in the mission abandoning it in favor of saving his squad making him the betrayer of benefactors (UNSC in this case). Now that leaves the Rookie to be the betrayer of kin, which could be him aiding Dare with her mission instead of linking up with the rest of the squad, or him killing the cop in data hive, but also in Halo Evolutions Im guessing he killed some other ODSTs, as theres a story thats being told by a veteran ODST to him about how he joined up and such but also that later on in the war a group of ODSTs were planning on stealing a bunch of gold or something for retirement but he foiled that plan and was on the run when he ran into the Rookie, and that the other ODSTs would be coming to kill him and the Rookie now that he knew their crimes/secret, so he probably did end up killing other ODSTs to stay alive. Whether any of this holds any truth to it though I cant say for certain but it does.make a certain amount of sense.
Betrayer of Kin could potentially refer to the achievement 'Naughty Naughty' in that Rookie (the Player) cannot save Engineers. Even if you kill the entire squad around an Engineer, their bomb suit will go off and kill them. By engaging the Covenant, you are indirectly responsible for the death of any Engineer in the vicinity. The only way to avoid this is to avoid combat in open areas where Engineers are most likely to have spawned. The Engineers are Kin in that they do not wish to serve the Covenant, they are dying in this war to the Covenant just as we are.
Well it could be the Y symbols are a type of Boolean writing as it does look sort of like logic gates, and the engineers are organic super computers. Basically they might just be a method of writing where the two symbols are the topic of digestion, the line between says they are related, and the one above is the solution or end point of the sentence. Basically put, instead of saying "I walked to the door" you could do this.
🚪
Y
🧑 I 🚶♂️
IIRC that got brought up in this video about the glyphs
czcams.com/video/yiYTMbdejc4/video.html
Sounds like you could really help those working on the mystery
umm, rather than logic gates they look more like a sign from a very, very old type of machine programming language (think back to the punch card days of the '50's). i vaguely remember being taught that it's something like an if/else function in C++, with the right way of reading being counter-clock-wise, so you'd start bottom left. if bottom left is invalid, it goes top. if that's invalid, then bottom right. if that's invalid, then all 3 get executed as an error. though the sign is a bit off, since it's supposed to be 3 intersecting lines that DON'T touch and a dot in the middle. or at least it's what we were taught the logic schema for the sign was.
So does anybody know what the symbols mean in the Y
@@alphamon701 they seen to be messages the engineers use to communicate and they are searching for Virgil and the Oni access to the ark portal to start it up. At the very least the superintendent face is a reference to pointing the direction of it or at least where they think it is.
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I think the ODST motto "Feet first into hell" is a bit of a dead give away
And Virgil. And the circles.
And bucks line of we are dropping into hell
One little correction: Dante doesn't met Vergil in Limbo but in the forest (a metaphor for sins). Yes, Vergil normally reside in limbo but he was sent to save Dante e guide him to the gates of hell (and beyond)
Hey man! An excellent point. We thought about this, and considered that you actually first meet Vergil during the tutorial section. This aligns with what you said.
Once the tutorial is done, you're in Limbo. Either way, both ideas work. You have a keen eye!
Imagine this. You’re a marine doing your 4 year service and you’ve gotta fight a metaphorical hell. This would really make me rethink my life choices.
Installation 00- big brain energy
Slipspace entertainment- big meme brain
Perfectly balanced, as my sub box should be
betrayer of guests is dare. She betrays her squad for her and ONI's goals.
Been playing this game for 12 years and never saw the similarities beyond "Virgil guiding you through hell"
Two main and pretty much only things I really dislike of H3: ODST is that the suppressors don’t do Jack and the ODSTs take as much damage as Spartans.
The ODST's really felt like re-skinned Spartans to me. From what I remember, the only substantial differences being that they are shorter (I think), move slower (maybe), can't hijack certain vehicles, and deal less melee damage (especially to vehicles). I really wish the suppressors worked that way I could at least kind of play stealthily.
The suppressors are fairly realistic though. People think they are like the James Bond-style "compressed air" sound, when most suppressors only dampen the sound, so instead of being a super loud gunshot, it's just a slightly quieter but still loud gunshot. If you have even a high-quality suppressor, and you shoot, everyone around you will hear it. It just won't be as likely to cause hearing damage, and the neighborhood next to you might not hear it.
The closest people have came to a true "silencer" was the Welrod, used by British spies in WW2. The suppressor had special rubber baffles in it, and the holes in the rubber was smaller than the bullet. This basically formed a seal around the bullet as it passed through the suppressor, and by doing this multiple times, they got the Welrod to be absurdly quiet. The only problem was that all that friction meant the bullets travelled significantly slower, and would seriously impact the bullet's accuracy. It also meant the suppressor only worked for a few shots, then the rubber would become stretched or break, and wouldn't work as well.
Even if, with modern material science, we could make a sort of "rubber baffle" similar to what they had in the Welrod that was much stronger and lasted longer, there is still the issue of accuracy and reduction in velocity. The Welrod's effective range was extremely limited, basically being reserved to within 10 feet of the target. That just doesn't seem practical for combat.
@@MatthewSmith-sz1yq So what is the point for the ODSTs to use silenced weaponry?
@@rookie4582 it still helps keep it quieter so could still be useful
@@deerhawk7788 They really don’t do anything in the game.
For the longest time, i have not touched odst, people told me its way to different, they did not like it. Early december 2021 i decided to buy it because it was on sale....this is the best halo game that will ever be created no doubt.
ODST has always been a interesting game, this just adds more to it. gotta love the hidden stuff and meanings in games, unsolve mysteries waiting to be found and solve.
anywho great vid.
Betrayer of country: Dare
In some of the books Dare does things that would be considered treasonous to humanity and the UNSC
Betrayer of guests: Buck or you, the player.
Buck had his team flee from safety and back into the city where they could have been killed.
you? well... how many Engineers did you kill? befor you knew. they were just another alien.
Naughty naughty naughty was my first achievement in this game 🥴
That’s a good question. Is the Good Samaritan achievement canon or not? I’d like to think it is, but maybe that’s just me.
Wait but Mickey actually betrayed the UNSC in the books
@@alexisarenas343 I'd say betrayal of kin since Mickeys backstory states that his parents were Insurrectionists, He was also the odd one out within the Alpha 9 squad. If I remember correctly VERGIL's emoticon is always angry at Mickey than the other members. If I was correct in New Blood Mickey separated from the UNSC to join the Insurrectionists.
Lucky for me, I read First Strike before playing. I already knew they were harmless in their intentions.
But what was today’s whiskey? WHAT WAS THE WHISKEY?!
I remember how negatively received this game was because people expected another Halo like all the others but this is a different beast and I love it.
I am ashamed to admit that I was today years old when the correlation between VRGL and Inferno lit up in my mind. 🤦
I’ve never linked VRGL and Virgil* ... wow. Not even once...awesome.
About 8 minutes in when you start describing the ODSTs as feet first into hell and the superintendent's name and purpose being similar to the guide through hell it starts getting suspicious REALLY quickly.
The depth in this is like what you'd see in a fictional mystery but we actually participate in it. it gets more awesome the more I think about it
Dude thats not being an ass that's just notifying us to double or triple check i appreciate it
6:09
What the hell am I supposed to do with this INSIDE a Covenant ship?!
Another cool tidbit. At the end of uplift reserve you drive off a cliff to a lower level of the reserve, i.e. going one level deeper
I still say they absolutely dropped the ball not letting us use Jackal shields, even in only one level
Holy shit man! I was expecting some hacky far fetched theory from that thumbnail but my mind is blown instead. I never even new those hieroglyphs were supposed to be a mystery! I thought those were just decorative elements of the levels.
Never thought it would be possible for me to love ODST more than I already do but this video proved me otherwise.
Hey, look at that, the bell icon had been turned back to 'personalized' rather than 'all'.
same
I took a class on the Divine Comedy almost a decade ago for my undergrad. This is bringing back a lot of memories. Very cool video!
Imagine a darker ODST, where you still drop in and lose your squad, but as you’re following the clues that lead you to them, you realize as they’re struggling to get out of the city things progressively get worse. You find things that don’t seem that bad at first, it starts out like our version of ODST, but as time goes on you find more and more gruesome scenes. Eventually you come upon one of your squadmates, dead. They were trying to escape the city with the squad; but they weren’t fortunate enough to make it far. You keep on, but after a few hours… another dead teammate. You eventually come to realize you’re the last one, and rescue isn’t coming.
You can’t rewrite ODST and no one will read this comment and reply to it except me.
Congrats.
Your idea is a failure.
@@HiImSeanIPlayBass well that was a bitch move
That opening scene though, imagine the fear of looking up and seeing the skies are filled with enemies about to crash onto you at 370 miles per hour.
ODST is my second most favorite halo game after Reach because it’s so unique and cool and different, I wish 343 would add the bandana skull into it though.
Even in Reach in New Alexandria if you come across Buck he says at the end of the mini mission “I’ll see you in Hell”
I totally forgot about those!. I haven't played ODST in years but I always wondered about those symbols. Hope the mystery gets solved one day
You can do it on the MCC I have the game alongside my 360 disc.
This makes so much sense and it was right in front of me the whole time. Thank you for enlightening me once again.
I was stoked about ODST. I loved ODST and I really wish they would of made another ODST game before Halo 4 rendered ODST's obsolete. Maybe 343 is bouncing around the idea of another ODST game taking place during the rebellion and maybe leading up to the events on harvest.
It will always amaze me how brilliant Bungie's Halo writing and worldbuilding were. And even if this is just a theory, the subtle and likely intentional references to Classical literature in ODST are just phenomenal.
I'm fairly sure I know what the peice of the puzze relating to the Glyphs is: I heard from another peice of youtube breakdown (can't remember the video, sorry) that the dude who incorporated the glyphs has been asked often what they are about; revealing little. Yet at some point, apparently he was quoted saying that they mean nothing and were merely designed to get players that too look deeper into games and the worlds they are exploring.
After seeing this video my conclusion is the Glyphs are simply meant to show us exactly what this video is about: the hidden meaning of ODST.
Love the video bro x I really enjoy and appreciate your channel and these lore and theory videos are defs my favourite ❤
Also note the flamethrowers in the hive. Inferno, flamethrower. And the fact Sadie directly mentions hell in the audio logs.
I love the music to this game it's so relaxing ODST is really good
Almost at 100k I unfortunately can't keep up with all your hard work but your content is amazing
I haven't had a system since xbox 360, nor have played since halo 5. Being that, odst was the one halo game, I never played. At the time I found it, different, in which it was but, I found it different in the way those who didn't like it because if its difference. I started following halo again and keeping up on the lore back in '17. Ever since then, this mystery has profoundly caught my attention to the upmost degree. That's why I follow all you halo guys. I'm hoping to dwelve with you as much as you allow all the halo community to do the same. Most of us don't have channels and, don't have time to do this stuff for ourselves. That why we have to see and live through you, and the other dedicated channels to the cause. I can't wait for Infinity and the new lore. I cannot wait until this mystery is solved, 13 years or so, in the making. Why do I yearn for this adventure? Because in this terrible day to day hell we live in, Secretly, We are all the Master Chief.
When Joseph would play on the audio logs, i would always think of when he said, " How would you get me out? i weigh like 4 cars" 💀
Having been there for the og halo and everything that has come after....
Books, vids like this,
Feeling privileged to have been part of it ❤️ from the beginning to the lore.
Great stuff keep up the outstanding work
*Interlateion 00 posted a video
Me: This is where the fun begins...
Halo’s easter eggs and secrets have always fascinated me
28:00 you said "betrayers of country" and I have a take on this point. A country can be as big as it expands, legally. So it can be as small as the US state of Rhode Island, a third of a continent like Canada, the US, and Russia (or bigger in the USSR's case), entire continent like Australia. With this in mind, you could have a nation/state/country occupy all land, sea, airspace, and space-space of an entire planet, including any moons and space stations in orbit. Justifying this "legally owned" territory as one country (just broken into regions of planets, continents, regions, states, counties, districts, etc), it can be argued that Covenant owned and occupied Planets are within the "country" of the Covenant Empire, especially Sangheilios, Te, Doisac, Bahalo, etc. So who betrayed their country? The covenant betrayed the Sangheili, part of their country, their empire. Or this could be flipped and said that the Sangheili betrayed the Covenant for the Schism and thus, their bodies litter the streets of New Mombasa.
Oh yes. This is something I’ve always wondered what those were. So awesome they are still unsolved
Would just like to say sir you have become my absolute favorite halo channel out there. You are a superb narrator, your detailed break down videos are just as engaging and exciting as your lore and theory videos, and the amount of effort you put into your videos is second to none. I will definitely be going over to your patreon page as well.
The story, lore, and theory are what I love the most about halo, and you sir are one of the best I've ever come across for putting together content that lays things out clearly and engaging with the listener. Please keep doing what you do.
Daaaaamn. This is deep. This is heavy. I haven't read Inferno but I have a passing knowledge of it and struth, it's very cleverly done.
The glyphs: what if they're a code? Possibly a substitution sypher? But then, what's the correct order, and are there enough or too many variations of glyphs for a complete alphabet. If it is a substitution sypher, glyphs will be repeated. The most common letter in the alphabet is E, making up 14% of all letters used in the English language, so if there's a glyph that's more common it may be E.
Other then that, they could be numbers or equations, again as a sub sypher.
One of Spartans-IIIs from Ghosts of Onyx is Dante-G188. Might there be connections to the overall theory from that book?
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Yk man I just found your account tonight but I really think you’re gonna be a channel that I stick with from now on. I have a lot of channels I watch throughout the day and a select few I watch everyday and I think you’re one of the select few and if not everyday then every other day and for sure! Every week!. Keep it man. Yk it’s funny I haven’t played halo in a year or two mainly cuz ion have live anymore but I still am absolutely fascinated by halo and when I was younger all I played was halo but never watched one video on it now I don’t play much anymore and have been watching tons of it lol. But anyways, I love it man and keep it up really good deep lore
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28:00 Here's my humble take:
Betrayers of Country: H3ODST takes place during the events of Halo 2 and the Great Schism. The Sangeheili split from the Covenant, hence why they aren't seen in the game (put on ice).
Betrayers of Guests: This could swing either to the Sangeheili or Jiralhanae. The Sangeheili betrayed the guests in the covenant, being the Jiralhanae due to their "newness" relative to the Sangeheili in the alliance, but the Jiralhanae were the overall Betrayers who WERE guests in the situation.
The Rookie never made landfall, and is actually DOA: the entire ODST game is a giant fever dream.
28:05 although it specifically says guests, even back in Dante’s day they would still believe in the sacred duty of hospitality between guests and host. New Mombasa played ‘host’ to the Covenant, who in turn destroyed it and would come back to further scorch Earth in their pursuit of their goals and desires, thus breaking sacred hospitality and betraying humanity (for the Nth time but who’s counting?) a little thin I know, but it kinda works.
Though now that I think about it, humanity was playing host to the generally peaceful engineers and slaughtered them so maybe the UNSC forces were the betrayers of guests.
3:55 Collective Genius
*Gravemind intensifies*
Mayhaps the last two bits, betrayer of country and betrayer of guests represents Buck and Dare themselves: Dare was serving her country; and so the ODST's were her (and by extension, ONI's) guests. Buck immediately after that slipsace jump decides to abandon Dare's mission to try save his team. Example of him betraying country. Dare is serving her country yet the ODST team are her guests and she betrays them by refusing to let them in on the mission and trust them to keep their hush (even though they are professional ODST's and Def's would have run in there for the good of humanity; albeit with a few questions asked).
Idk but from the way you broke that down that's all I can summise for the betrayers.
Tanks are considered to be cavalry, the replacement for people on horses. Another tie in to the jousting in inferno
This might be my favorite Halo video I've ever seen. A+++, man. I'd absolutely love more content this in depth, regardless of video length. Content this *Elite* is truly hard to come by.
Philosophy and space opera somehow go together like cake and ice cream. Past, present, and future combined gloriously into one melty cake-y dish.
I would also like the boring out at the beginning of prepare to drop in legendary precedes to say that we are dropping feet-first into hell so I believe that also strengthens the theory of Dante's Inferno
This is why I'm so happy Joseph Staten is now with halo again.
Just found this channel today. I've been binging your videos for about 2 hours now. Excellent work. Love this
You make the best halo videos of all time
Ayeo been here since you had about 2K subs. Happy to see you almost at 100K!
I don't think Quick to Adjust is the betrayer of kin, but of country. He betrayed the covenant, not the other Huragok. Instead, perhaps it is Truth who is the betrayer of kin, having subverted the covenant for his own benefit, rather than that of all San'Shyuum, also having betrayed Mercy and Regret in Halo 2.
Merry Christmas, 00.
watched this a while ago, but had a thought that i can't remember if it has been looked into. While listening to every song in halo for splitting into playlists for my halo mythic campaign i was focusing on how unique the odst music was compared to all the other soundtracks and how each piece was unique to the others in said soundtrack. Wouldn't it make sense for the glyphs to be music related? "music transcends language" and all that plus Martin O'Donnell being one of the few to know the secrets of ODST, and i imagine in universe it would be the Engineers writing the glyphs, since they seem like they'd be the only ones capable of it, and with how smart but almost childishly playful they appear in the books they would definitely be the only ones to try and communicate in such a way.
I remember subscribeing a while ago but for some reason I have to keep resubscribeing every time I watch one of your videos
Not going to lie it would be awesome to hear you read the hollow men. Your voice is perfect for it
This was the best 34 minutes of my online life
Got my 8 year old nephew into halo and odst recently. I'm 42 and have been playing these games from the start still got the Xbox 360 with the halo hard drive that still gets used daily
I like how deep you get with this, alot of mysticism and talks of de evolution speaks of stuff that is actually spoken about by graham handcock, the writer was clearly clued up about something
Hmmmm
Ok here's my take on the Y symbol
Back when crucifying was a thing they didn't actually use a cross as often thought of
They had to use a Y shape
That's also the shape that people die as they hang from the crucifix
You mentioned that the engineers (some of them) when found dead can have the Y carved near them
Also where the elites were dead
I believe it can be a symbol of death
Death is a big thing throughout the game
As you wander the streets wondering if your team is dead,
Seeing death all around you, and the actual vibe the environments give off
Wonderful! It's been a year since I presented this theory, almost to the day (tomorrow is the 1 year), so I'll take this into account. Excellent stuff man! I like it!
Man this channel is the perfect lore and analysis channel for me. Hope you win the race lol
Wouldn't Mickey count as a traitor for the 9th ring? In the comics/books he betrayed the UNSC by joining the insurrection making him a "traitor to country." In addition, he was also in-directly responsible for the Rookies death by the United Rebel Front In Halo: New Blood. The Rookie was a person that Mickey fought beside for years, cared for Mickey, and even saved Mickey's life. I would count the Rookie as Mickey's "Lord" as well as the rest of Bucks Squad; they also outrank him giving a literal sense to the whole "Lord" thing. Mickey later joined the United Rebel Front after Rookies death on Draco III, spitting on what's left of the Rookies memory, betraying Alpha Nine, and even going as far as attempting to murder Buck and Romeo. I would say this betrayal counts as the 4th ring of the 9th Circle, Judecca "treason to their lords", he betrayed multiple "Lords", and abandoned all that he, his service in the UNSC, and the Rookie stood for. Then for the final kicker, he was never truly punished for it, later joining back up with the Alpha Nine, showing no real remorse for his actions besides apologizing for trying to shoot Buck and Romeo at the time. I'm sure in the future we'll get some book about Mickey's death, and my money is on him hanging himself, just like Judas.
I like this idea, I would be genuinely surprised it’d the writers for the game had that much foresight.
On the other hand, I could absolutely believe the parallels to The Inferno in ODST absolutely informed writers entrusted with Mickey’s later developements!
No he got forgiven cause he's back with Bucks squad
@@jhinwick5251 He may have been forgiven, but that still doesn't eliminate the fact that he'd betrayed them in the first place. If we're still talking the whole Christian religious theme thing, I'm pretty sure the fact that Buck forgave him wouldn't save him from the wrath of good ol' Yahweh. Two counts of attempted murder and an undisclosed amount of actual murder with the URF would not be looked upon kindly by MOST religions, let alone Christianity which has a strong history of being dogmatic in its practices and beliefs. Even if he begs for forgiveness from God and is actually forgiven, that is still unlikely to change his final destination of hell if it actually exists in the Halo universe. Eldritch horrors are very fickle when it comes to fleshy meat bags breaking cosmic rules literally set in stone.
I considered jumping aboard, then jumped! Subscribed 👍.
Only just really found your channel this week, subscribed after this and your ODST origins video
I just came to some realization that at least a part of fallout 4 may be a similar allegory,
You go throw the glowing sea(the most dangerous/hellish part of the map in search of another character with the name Vergil.
I am interested in whatever else is similar in regards to that questline.
Maybe all coincidental, then again maybe not.
You are the main man for Halo Lore.
In my humble opinion....
I love watching your videos I been watching a lot of them keep up with good work!
I definitely wasn't expecting this, buy I absolutely love it
I LOVED this video these parallels are amazing
Holy fuck that was amazing, I always love cryptic mysteries and references to old stories and mythology so this was an absolute treat to learn about. Thank you so much!
Odst is still by far my favorite halo game ever, nothing just beats being in the shoes of normal men and women fighting a loosing battle but still kicking and doing their best for everyone's survival.
When I got the game on release day it came with that controller but I couldn't find were to go so I sold it then later on I bought it again and enjoyed it I still go back and play it the music and theme of it is amazing walking through Mombasa at night is haunting and feel like you're being watched