I recorded this a few weeks ago, my dog is in perfect health now, don't worry! Also, when I recorded this I had no idea where I would be sharing these, so you'll hear me talking about keeping these on Patreon at the beginning. I have been posting these as I make them on Patreon first, but based on the encouragement many of you gave on the first video, I want to share some more publicly! I did try to warn you...
I'm subbed to a bunch of art youtube channels and as I was scrolling through my subscirptions I saw some thumbnails with a massive fire and explosions with titles like "WTF?! AI STEALING ART ON INSTAGRAM" with all the panic, fear, and anger around that... Then I see another video, it's just Steven sitting there grinning with "You Have Never Seen Your Body" as the title lmao ive been enjoying these
There is no one else in this space offering this thought provoking content that bridges these spiritual/metaphysical concepts and art in this engaging way and I super appreciate all the work you do here. I really look forward to these
This was very insightful, loved it. I honestly could hear you talk about philosophical ideas from an artist perspective all day. Even if is not directly related to art, art is linked with life and vision, consciousness and experiences so I think It will always be connected. Edit: Im glad your dog is better now!
I love the unhinged art/dog-dag ramblings. This is my life! I could connect. Hope you and Fanny are doing ok. As always thanks for your perspective about art. I don’t always understand it at first pass, but i like how it seeps into my brain like some viral brain disease. I sense a shift in the ol brain bucket down below. (Because i am floating above my body thanks to some of your ramblings)
@@StevenZapataArt hahah you are REAL man. thyroid issues seem tough to deal with, i hope the doggo is ok 😢. my dog is reactive, allergic to everything, and has IBD. living that dog-dad life
no steven please don't lock it behind a paywall. Just make a second channel. I love listening to these. You have thoughts that don't make me feel crazy.
I feel like every time I return to your channel it's some weird cosmic coincidence that lines up with what's been on my mind lately. I started fasting last year and in that time I've felt like a homunculus inside of my body. Experiencing how my hunger influences my decisions without me ever having a say over it has made me realize how much of my body I have no control over and how detached it can feel from my consciousness. Those thoughts led to the realization that all the other systems in my body are unconsciously (to me) influencing my actions. I wonder how much control over myself I really do have at the end of the day. It's like a council of different systems and/or beings that all put in their suggestions to the brain and it gets processed into some form of action. Is what I consider my conscious brain just something that suggests things to the overall system of my body and it may or may not do that depending on the collective that creates me or am I really in control A lot of what you said here has helped me understand those feelings and bring some sense to them. Especially with the tree example. Thank you for these it has been very insightful. I'd love to support you so I can hear some more
You actually did a great job explaining the concepts Steven. I was able to understand. Also made me think how computers basically work just like our body in a way, or like an extension to our body. Computers have eyes (camera), ears (microphone), keyboards and mice for directions and "talking". Anyways, thank you for sharing!
oh no puppy :( i hope she has a swift recovery. i've been repeating the "camera" note to myself since you posted the previous video, it's been a strange meditation, i feel part of myself balking at the thought, the other part wanting to go through that portal and explore the questions it raises. YES TREES. I commend you for making these videos, I fully understand the "language barrier".. I feel like i can't talk about this stuff with even my friends cause every time I sound like a different kind of crazy and I can never put into the words what I feel to be true. So, the "light body" comment made so many things that i forgot i've been trying to understand fall into place
If putting these on patreon is the best way for you to explore these ideas without self-correcting or having to 'arttube'-ify your thoughts then I absolutely support whatever is most conductive to your creativity. However, I think you'd be surprised how many people would be open to these ideas, since anyone who regularly watches your streams/videos will be aware of your philosphy on some level and could benifit from your thoughts if they enjoy your perspectives on other matters. It's something I really enjoy about your streams to begin with, a bit of that 'structurelessness' where you can cover any topic from art to spritituality to whatever is on your mind at the moment. Also, I'm so sorry to hear about Fanny, I've loved her through your eyes for a while so I can't imagine how devastating this is to you. Hopefully with treatment she can still live a happy life. 💞💞💞
Thanks so much for sharing this! Similar thoughts have crossed my mind (though I did this thinking stuff a lot more like 10 years ago when I had much more time for myself) and it's refreshing to have a similar but different version put to words. I've certainly done wayyy worse job at trying to sometimes explain something similar (I pretty much don't try to these days, people just go on to joke that I've gone insane). I think an interesting part is that when you realize everything you experience is from the frame of your mind, it opens up the question how much can we intentionally alter or develop it. The way people draw and especially how they draw visualizations of themselves is a door to look at how they see the world also.
I watched both of these so far, this is great. Just my $0.02, take it for what its worth: Last week you were kind of wondering where you should post these on a different channel etc. I think you're right that for these videos "if it hits, it hits". With that being said it's definitely not for everyone. I think you need to decide if you're going to use the channel like a way to get people to your course (don't alienate people with foreign ideas) or are you using this as a way to share ideas/things your interested in/have fun and you also have a course to sell (let er rip) This type of stuff will cultivate a different audience on CZcams than just posting art tutorials etc. I don't think either path is wrong but I do feel that this is very unique content that should be on CZcams. This is the type of thing that people didn't know they wanted because they didn't know it was an option. Things like that imo need to be able to be found/listened to/shared. I think if this type of content found the right mark on here it could do quite well and get you a niched down loyal following.
I don't even know what to say right now except thank you, and that it is infinitely fascinating to be us. The more I can integrate this knowing with the energy of creation within me, the more I think energy for creating will re-saturate my experience. I wish we could have a round-table with artists who are trying to know more about what art is and what it's purpose is for us, especially as creation's fundamental role in our lives is being hijacked.
32:33 i am dieing laughing right now annd crying tears on the inside of my eyelids. This is so funny. Poor body. I hope you are enjoying yourself down there big guy!
30 minutes in and you comment that the tree would not have the concept of space without the ability to move. Had this thought in the car the other day after I'd watched the first video and thought about it a bit. Thought about how crazy it is that just because i can move my limbs and have the sensation of touch, my mind thinks in three dimensions. Crazy to see you talking about the same thing haha. Good thoughts to be having, thank you for sharing steven!
woah, I was so caught up in the ideas that feeling meant that I could experience my foot. It is such a strong illusion even allowing you to feel squeezing in muscles and feeling the exact location of tension. Its a strong approximation, but ultimately everything is an approximation. We don't have access to all light waves, we are quite colourblind and if an alien saw our art it would be pretty confused. I think you brought that up in one of your previous videos. What the hell would having foot consciousness be? we would experience some sort of electrical signal, perhaps we would contextualize this as a strong desire to tense muscles at certain points, but we would not know for what reason we would do this. We would also feel pressure or pain, completely randomly without the understanding that we are a moving object through space. But this is not how feet think because feet don't have minds, much like how trees don't have a mind like ours, and how trees feel without any context much like my foot would. But even my foots senses are only decoded at the brain which is to say the CEO is the one feeling the foots senses. So maybe I still disagree because to be a foot is to be an inanimate object without the CEO seat. Is that semantic? I think there is a distinct difference because it is the CEO who experiences the sensations not the foot. If I could attach my brain to the experience of a tree and have the CEO decode the trees experiences then maybe its the same but we cannot do that. The foot is me, blood cells are not me though because we have no senses which monitor blood cells. I see my body like a planet with senses. There are beings coexisting on me, in fact I am made of organisms which have organisms in them(cells and the mitochondria) as well as gut bacteria, and even surface bacteria. These are all animals grazing hunting living on me, beings which rely on me and in some cases who I routinely kill for the sake of cleanliness 😈. The reason I bring this up is that these organisms are separate from other parts of me which can be controlled by the CEO. You could say that well I actually can't control anything and I'd agree but I think what my conscious mind thinks it can control is me. But saying that makes me think this whole thing is stupid because really we're the same as wind, rippling water or rocks tumbling down a cliff. We are only elements reacting to our environments which have been gifted the ability to observe, and for some reason given the illusion of free will. So logically if we cannot control anything but rather the world controls us through chaos, maybe we are just the world, and maybe the blood cell is just us. That is true if you're a determinist at least. So yeah I am my foot because everything is me including trees and guns and ham sandwiches and microplastics in my balls and my family and you and everything.
thank you so much for this speech. i appreciate it greatly and hope you are going to continue posting these videos. i may not completely agree with your results, yet i like your methodoledy of contemplation, the questions you are asking. one think i am contemplating regarding this claim of "the experience is never of the body(thing) itself". it may hold true of anything, except of one thing, and that is of our experience itself. the thing-out-there as itself is unknown, but the tree (thing-out-there) is reflected for-itself only as it is for us, in as much as we are talkig about the tree as it is for us. and the same with the body, for the exerience we can be certain to say "i am this conciousness and a part of this conciousness is aware of a coldness" or plainly put, "i feel cold". of course there is never this "coldness" as-itself for us, only this experience only communicable as the word "cold", which is nothing but saying "there is this experience" and making is abstract and universal, and in as much as it is abstract and universal, it is a thing in-itslef and for-itself.
this is Steven Zapata at his finest-- I hope it doesn't go to patreon (though I was in your mentorsip program, so I might have the patreon...? Who knows.) because this is the kinda of content that drew me in as such a big fan in the first place, and I think it has the power to do so for others as well!
I love this conversation and topic. I'm very into body and perception mechanics and topics of sense of self. this was great. I think you'd also really like this series of talks from the 90s called the trialogues by terrance mckenna, ralph abraham, and rupert sheldrake. covers all sorts of topics i think you would be suuuuper into.
Thanks for destroying the perception of what I thought is/was myself, and how we actually think we know stuff only based on "light experience" Loving this content
After taking anatomy and physiology and pathology and kinesiology, and all these body science classes in physical therapy school, I am certainly convinced that we are literally an organic cyborg 😂
Man I'm trying to grapple with the implications of what you're laying out in these videos but the only thing that's really hitting me is that what we consider our experience is in some way an illusory one, or at least fabricated by either our mind *or* **something** Other. I loved Philosophy in college and I especially enjoy Ontology and Existential philosophies. I really wanna hear you take it that extra step, but I'm also aware you're trying not to influence peoples' worldviews too much. Do you have any resources you're willing to link to help me further consider the broader implications if what you're laying out?
I'm trying to deal with the implications myself! I'll definitely unravel my personal intuitions (as far out as they'll go, is my plan) in upcoming talks. As to linking something... I can't say anything comes to mind that directly answers to what I'm talking about here, especially since I'm specifically looking through the art lens, but I will keep this in mind. Maybe after I've made a few more of these, clarifying my thinking as I go, I can do a deep end resources video and compile some things...
@@StevenZapataArt ah dude thanks for replying! I'll definitely be subbing to the Patreon. These talks are up my alley and your musings are definitely soaking up. Looking forward to the pondering journey with you (in lag time).
Just wanted to mention a little idea, I'm someone who's been doing martial arts my whole life, and I very often will mention to beginners that there is a feeling of something like your limbs developing their individual consciousness, and that eventually your limbs will think their way through problems. Teaching your limbs to think 🦾
I recorded this a few weeks ago, my dog is in perfect health now, don't worry! Also, when I recorded this I had no idea where I would be sharing these, so you'll hear me talking about keeping these on Patreon at the beginning. I have been posting these as I make them on Patreon first, but based on the encouragement many of you gave on the first video, I want to share some more publicly! I did try to warn you...
Perfectly timed for the morning run! Thanks for sharing these over here 🙏
Honestly very relieved that you decided to keep them on here, very glad to see more of these videos from you ^^
-Happy to hear dog is doing alright
Thank you for sharing this here, really.
Yay! And thank you! ☺️🙏
Please keep making these
I am going to try! I appreciate the encouragement.
I'm subbed to a bunch of art youtube channels and as I was scrolling through my subscirptions I saw some thumbnails with a massive fire and explosions with titles like "WTF?! AI STEALING ART ON INSTAGRAM" with all the panic, fear, and anger around that...
Then I see another video, it's just Steven sitting there grinning with "You Have Never Seen Your Body" as the title
lmao
ive been enjoying these
This made me laugh.
There is no one else in this space offering this thought provoking content that bridges these spiritual/metaphysical concepts and art in this engaging way and I super appreciate all the work you do here. I really look forward to these
This was very insightful, loved it. I honestly could hear you talk about philosophical ideas from an artist perspective all day. Even if is not directly related to art, art is linked with life and vision, consciousness and experiences so I think It will always be connected.
Edit: Im glad your dog is better now!
Thank you for the kind words, very encouraging!
I love the unhinged art/dog-dag ramblings. This is my life! I could connect. Hope you and Fanny are doing ok. As always thanks for your perspective about art. I don’t always understand it at first pass, but i like how it seeps into my brain like some viral brain disease. I sense a shift in the ol brain bucket down below. (Because i am floating above my body thanks to some of your ramblings)
Hah I know, I feel like a millennial cartoon, “Let me go on CZcams and talk to people about meditation and my dog’s thyroid problem”
@@StevenZapataArt hahah you are REAL man. thyroid issues seem tough to deal with, i hope the doggo is ok 😢. my dog is reactive, allergic to everything, and has IBD. living that dog-dad life
no steven please don't lock it behind a paywall. Just make a second channel. I love listening to these. You have thoughts that don't make me feel crazy.
I will share them here! Was just feeling them out on Patreon first. And like all my videos they go on Patreon early
Sending healing vibes and positive thoughts and prayers for your dog for a full recovery.
Thank you for the video.
I feel like every time I return to your channel it's some weird cosmic coincidence that lines up with what's been on my mind lately. I started fasting last year and in that time I've felt like a homunculus inside of my body. Experiencing how my hunger influences my decisions without me ever having a say over it has made me realize how much of my body I have no control over and how detached it can feel from my consciousness. Those thoughts led to the realization that all the other systems in my body are unconsciously (to me) influencing my actions. I wonder how much control over myself I really do have at the end of the day. It's like a council of different systems and/or beings that all put in their suggestions to the brain and it gets processed into some form of action. Is what I consider my conscious brain just something that suggests things to the overall system of my body and it may or may not do that depending on the collective that creates me or am I really in control
A lot of what you said here has helped me understand those feelings and bring some sense to them. Especially with the tree example. Thank you for these it has been very insightful. I'd love to support you so I can hear some more
It sounds a bit like Advaita Vedanta/Nonduality.
You actually did a great job explaining the concepts Steven. I was able to understand. Also made me think how computers basically work just like our body in a way, or like an extension to our body. Computers have eyes (camera), ears (microphone), keyboards and mice for directions and "talking". Anyways, thank you for sharing!
Ah thanks for the encouragement, I’m glad it was clear!
The world need more content like this ❤
These are great Steven, keep them coming!
oh no puppy :( i hope she has a swift recovery. i've been repeating the "camera" note to myself since you posted the previous video, it's been a strange meditation, i feel part of myself balking at the thought, the other part wanting to go through that portal and explore the questions it raises. YES TREES. I commend you for making these videos, I fully understand the "language barrier".. I feel like i can't talk about this stuff with even my friends cause every time I sound like a different kind of crazy and I can never put into the words what I feel to be true. So, the "light body" comment made so many things that i forgot i've been trying to understand fall into place
If putting these on patreon is the best way for you to explore these ideas without self-correcting or having to 'arttube'-ify your thoughts then I absolutely support whatever is most conductive to your creativity. However, I think you'd be surprised how many people would be open to these ideas, since anyone who regularly watches your streams/videos will be aware of your philosphy on some level and could benifit from your thoughts if they enjoy your perspectives on other matters.
It's something I really enjoy about your streams to begin with, a bit of that 'structurelessness' where you can cover any topic from art to spritituality to whatever is on your mind at the moment.
Also, I'm so sorry to hear about Fanny, I've loved her through your eyes for a while so I can't imagine how devastating this is to you. Hopefully with treatment she can still live a happy life. 💞💞💞
Thanks so much for sharing this!
Similar thoughts have crossed my mind (though I did this thinking stuff a lot more like 10 years ago when I had much more time for myself) and it's refreshing to have a similar but different version put to words. I've certainly done wayyy worse job at trying to sometimes explain something similar (I pretty much don't try to these days, people just go on to joke that I've gone insane).
I think an interesting part is that when you realize everything you experience is from the frame of your mind, it opens up the question how much can we intentionally alter or develop it. The way people draw and especially how they draw visualizations of themselves is a door to look at how they see the world also.
This content is genuinely impactful
I watched both of these so far, this is great.
Just my $0.02, take it for what its worth:
Last week you were kind of wondering where you should post these on a different channel etc.
I think you're right that for these videos "if it hits, it hits". With that being said it's definitely not for everyone.
I think you need to decide if you're going to use the channel like a way to get people to your course (don't alienate people with foreign ideas) or are you using this as a way to share ideas/things your interested in/have fun and you also have a course to sell (let er rip)
This type of stuff will cultivate a different audience on CZcams than just posting art tutorials etc.
I don't think either path is wrong but I do feel that this is very unique content that should be on CZcams. This is the type of thing that people didn't know they wanted because they didn't know it was an option. Things like that imo need to be able to be found/listened to/shared. I think if this type of content found the right mark on here it could do quite well and get you a niched down loyal following.
I hope you keep doing these!! This was awesome
I don't even know what to say right now except thank you, and that it is infinitely fascinating to be us. The more I can integrate this knowing with the energy of creation within me, the more I think energy for creating will re-saturate my experience. I wish we could have a round-table with artists who are trying to know more about what art is and what it's purpose is for us, especially as creation's fundamental role in our lives is being hijacked.
32:33 i am dieing laughing right now annd crying tears on the inside of my eyelids. This is so funny. Poor body. I hope you are enjoying yourself down there big guy!
30 minutes in and you comment that the tree would not have the concept of space without the ability to move. Had this thought in the car the other day after I'd watched the first video and thought about it a bit. Thought about how crazy it is that just because i can move my limbs and have the sensation of touch, my mind thinks in three dimensions. Crazy to see you talking about the same thing haha. Good thoughts to be having, thank you for sharing steven!
woah, I was so caught up in the ideas that feeling meant that I could experience my foot. It is such a strong illusion even allowing you to feel squeezing in muscles and feeling the exact location of tension. Its a strong approximation, but ultimately everything is an approximation. We don't have access to all light waves, we are quite colourblind and if an alien saw our art it would be pretty confused. I think you brought that up in one of your previous videos. What the hell would having foot consciousness be? we would experience some sort of electrical signal, perhaps we would contextualize this as a strong desire to tense muscles at certain points, but we would not know for what reason we would do this. We would also feel pressure or pain, completely randomly without the understanding that we are a moving object through space. But this is not how feet think because feet don't have minds, much like how trees don't have a mind like ours, and how trees feel without any context much like my foot would. But even my foots senses are only decoded at the brain which is to say the CEO is the one feeling the foots senses. So maybe I still disagree because to be a foot is to be an inanimate object without the CEO seat. Is that semantic? I think there is a distinct difference because it is the CEO who experiences the sensations not the foot. If I could attach my brain to the experience of a tree and have the CEO decode the trees experiences then maybe its the same but we cannot do that. The foot is me, blood cells are not me though because we have no senses which monitor blood cells. I see my body like a planet with senses. There are beings coexisting on me, in fact I am made of organisms which have organisms in them(cells and the mitochondria) as well as gut bacteria, and even surface bacteria. These are all animals grazing hunting living on me, beings which rely on me and in some cases who I routinely kill for the sake of cleanliness 😈. The reason I bring this up is that these organisms are separate from other parts of me which can be controlled by the CEO. You could say that well I actually can't control anything and I'd agree but I think what my conscious mind thinks it can control is me. But saying that makes me think this whole thing is stupid because really we're the same as wind, rippling water or rocks tumbling down a cliff. We are only elements reacting to our environments which have been gifted the ability to observe, and for some reason given the illusion of free will. So logically if we cannot control anything but rather the world controls us through chaos, maybe we are just the world, and maybe the blood cell is just us. That is true if you're a determinist at least. So yeah I am my foot because everything is me including trees and guns and ham sandwiches and microplastics in my balls and my family and you and everything.
thank you so much for this speech. i appreciate it greatly and hope you are going to continue posting these videos. i may not completely agree with your results, yet i like your methodoledy of contemplation, the questions you are asking.
one think i am contemplating regarding this claim of "the experience is never of the body(thing) itself". it may hold true of anything, except of one thing, and that is of our experience itself. the thing-out-there as itself is unknown, but the tree (thing-out-there) is reflected for-itself only as it is for us, in as much as we are talkig about the tree as it is for us. and the same with the body, for the exerience we can be certain to say "i am this conciousness and a part of this conciousness is aware of a coldness" or plainly put, "i feel cold". of course there is never this "coldness" as-itself for us, only this experience only communicable as the word "cold", which is nothing but saying "there is this experience" and making is abstract and universal, and in as much as it is abstract and universal, it is a thing in-itslef and for-itself.
Thank you
But mooooooooooom I dont want to get out of bed, it's too early to have my mind melted by Steven today 🥲
This is Steven Talk Podcast Verse , but i hope streams are coming back soon again. Also hope doggo gets well
this is Steven Zapata at his finest-- I hope it doesn't go to patreon (though I was in your mentorsip program, so I might have the patreon...? Who knows.) because this is the kinda of content that drew me in as such a big fan in the first place, and I think it has the power to do so for others as well!
Sorry to hear that about your dog. Goodluck
I love this conversation and topic. I'm very into body and perception mechanics and topics of sense of self. this was great. I think you'd also really like this series of talks from the 90s called the trialogues by terrance mckenna, ralph abraham, and rupert sheldrake. covers all sorts of topics i think you would be suuuuper into.
You posted at 6:30 here, but that’s okay. With this type of content I can listen while I walk or run; the perfect meditative sound track.
Thanks Raynola, happy to accompany you on walks and runs!
Sorry to empower your Ego (thus nudging you away from enlightenment) but I have to say: I admire you so profoundly.
10:00 I AM ASCENDING
40:52 amazing! 😂
Thanks for destroying the perception of what I thought is/was myself, and how we actually think we know stuff only based on "light experience" Loving this content
After taking anatomy and physiology and pathology and kinesiology, and all these body science classes in physical therapy school, I am certainly convinced that we are literally an organic cyborg 😂
It's time for my mind to be blown 😐
in this i think that mirrors help because if we didn't have any sort of reflection this wouldn't be trippyh at all
I want all of these videos. They're delicious.
Man I'm trying to grapple with the implications of what you're laying out in these videos but the only thing that's really hitting me is that what we consider our experience is in some way an illusory one, or at least fabricated by either our mind *or* **something** Other.
I loved Philosophy in college and I especially enjoy Ontology and Existential philosophies. I really wanna hear you take it that extra step, but I'm also aware you're trying not to influence peoples' worldviews too much.
Do you have any resources you're willing to link to help me further consider the broader implications if what you're laying out?
I'm trying to deal with the implications myself! I'll definitely unravel my personal intuitions (as far out as they'll go, is my plan) in upcoming talks. As to linking something... I can't say anything comes to mind that directly answers to what I'm talking about here, especially since I'm specifically looking through the art lens, but I will keep this in mind. Maybe after I've made a few more of these, clarifying my thinking as I go, I can do a deep end resources video and compile some things...
@@StevenZapataArt ah dude thanks for replying! I'll definitely be subbing to the Patreon. These talks are up my alley and your musings are definitely soaking up. Looking forward to the pondering journey with you (in lag time).
But I can see your body on the screen rn
!?!?
Please get her on a raw red meat diet, she will respond to medication well without processed foods. She will eventually not even need the meds.
We caught it very early and she’s doing great! You’d never know she was sick.
@@StevenZapataArt I'm glad she's doing well, would like to know how she fairs through this challenge.
Just wanted to mention a little idea, I'm someone who's been doing martial arts my whole life, and I very often will mention to beginners that there is a feeling of something like your limbs developing their individual consciousness, and that eventually your limbs will think their way through problems. Teaching your limbs to think 🦾
Thank you