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*You 60% and TKL keyboard users confuse me. Do you not do your taxes? Do you not make spreadsheets, or do numerical research or calculations??? The keypad is designed so you can calculate things or enter numerical data without looking at the keys and do it quickly and effectively. You can't do that with the 1-0 keys above the alphabet keypad.*
ISO Gang here. Thanks for highlighting the ISO options. Even when keyboards dont have those options, knowing that when they do, you'll mention them, is great comfort to us who want decent keyboards, but with a more traditional layout.
ISO gang rise up, I love split left shift for gaming and my JIS Realforce got me used to the tall enter key, both looks and feel. Almost bought that compact ergo with the southpaw numpad because of the iso support, if only it had tenting...
As a numpad user I feel like I’m taking crazy pills because the numpad gets dunked on. I clicked this video as soon as I saw that beautiful section to the right of the arrow keys!
If I built a mechanical keyboard for work I’d never even consider *not* having a numpad! However, at home having more desk space is more important since it’s mostly used for streaming/gaming. Dunking on numpads is silly.
I have been recommending "bad" silent switches for YEARS and the community has always ridiculed me for it. I call this sound signature as "Muted". They are not silent, they are not thocky either, but they have properties from both. The bottomout sounds like a solid punch rather than a deep plastic to plastic contact. I SERIOUSLY RECOMMEND LICHICX RED (tactile) and LICHICX LUCY (linear). honorable mention to GATERON CAP BLACK CRYSTAL SILENT REDS (better if you can get milky cap bottom housing and use the gateron nothpole as top housing). It is very important to spring swap these switches so they can also give that DEEP UPSTROKE. SEMI SILENT SWITCHES ARE AWESOME AND THIS IS A HILL IM WILLING TO DIE ON. Thank you for this video!! Bonus. The Rainy75 lite has the perfect internal acoustics to accentuate the deep punchy sounds of "bad" silent switches.
@@MrYeungMoney i use lichicx crimson red, also known as jkdk red. The invokeys daydreamer is also the same exact switch but with a heavy spring. Theremingoat wrote a review on both. Lichicx are my fave silent switches because they dont use dampeners. The whole bottom half of the stem is made of solid silencing material. No mush, all thump.
Rather than "deep and subjectively good," I think a more widely applicable definition would be "deep and partially muffled." "Clacky," by contrast, would be "higher pitched and sharp"
I don't need a num pad a lot but do prefer it for any number entry when needed. So in my ideal scenario I'd have it as a separate piece that I can move aside or even rebind if I felt dirty
Same! I see so many nice keyboards that I want to buy but I resist the urge because I know I won’t use them due to the lack of the numpad which I need for work 😅
This is true. I am not a keyboard nerd but goddamn did my Wooting start feeling good when I got Jade switches. I just kept on typing and tapping the keys after installation. I just enjoy using this now on top of being a great GAM1Ng KBd.
To me clacky sounds better because it makes the keyboard more lively usually whereas as a thocky keyboard usually just sounds dead to me. Sometimes i like the dead sound tho
So when can we get an actual 100% build? Some of us use our keyboards for work. Numpad, can't live without. Placement of end, home, delete, page up/down.... is perfect. I've been using the Montech MKey because it's the closest to what I need, but I can't get it apart to mod it.
How's the sound / feel of that? My wife has been on the hunt for a thoccy full keyboard for work which is why I clicked this video but 160 dollars is a bit more than we'd like to spend at the moment. But I see the MKey going for 80 dollars right now which is far more tempting.
Someone wanted me to spec them a silent keyboard with linears (They have no idea about keyboards, so that's not what they said, of course) "on the cheap", so that's the first switch I went to. I even put Lemons into a fighting controller for a friend, and I'll do the same. Outemu is just the best on a budget.
Rust isn't the factor that gives you tetanus, it's soil/dirt on rust that does. I.e. a rusty old nail in dirt. It's a common misconception with tetanus. Not saying you shouldn't immediately visit a professional at first symptoms either. And hopefully Hipyo will recover from this terrible terrible injury.
Zero experience on modding but I work on a logitech at work and simultaneously lost my will to live so thanks for reviewing keyboards like this for us filthy casuals!
So then this would make a good substitute teacher keyboard then? I’m completely new to keyboards but hate hate hate the desktop keyboards at the school I sub for, I love thock and a number pad is an absolute need along with the top row of functions above the number buttons if that makes sense
This is an awesome keyboard and I would love to see more videos (or a roundup video) for keyboard with numpads/tenkey. I work in accounting and I struggle to find quality information on them! 98, 96, 100?! Let’s go!
LEGIT. Thock is like like punk rock. "What's punk rock?" it's whatever you want it to be. It's special because of the friends we made along the way, and the way a keeb feels when we interact with it.
So. Instead of "thock" how about a keyboard that sings instead of pings. Or maybe a keyboard that sounds like tubular bells? Or the best a keyboard that sounds like angels are walking softly across the keys? LOL.
My personal preference is a deep pitched, creamy marbly sound. *chefs kiss* I also really really love a silent switch that sound reminiscent of raindrops on a window. I hope to build a silent keyboard soon specifically to take to my office!
While it isn't actually a word, I would assume it to be onomatopoeia, just like "click." When you say "click," the "i" actually forces you to either whisper the vowel or use a higher frequency for the vowel. This corresponds to the high pitched sound a tactile switch makes when actuated. You can analyze "thock" the same way. The "o" is almost baritone by comparison. The "TH" by itself also implies the sound of a linear switch being actuated rather than a tactile switch clinking. The baritone nature of the "o" in thock also reflect the way in which a linear switch echoes inside the keyboard when it bottoms out.
I have been searching for a keyboard with a number pad that looks cute, sounds nice and is cheap…this does most of those things….now I gotta wait for a sale.
Always nice to see more decent ISO keyboards. I'm in Québec and our Canadian French keyboards are ISO, we use the extra keys for grammatical accuracy. ISO is the international standard, it's really only the U.S.A. and Taiwan that officially use ANSI, which is really terrible at typing any language other than US English. The entire effing world officially is on ISO by academic and government standards but online shops often only carry ANSI-English, so as local companies are bought out or pushed to bankruptcy we can't even find proper keyboards to type our own languages in our own countries anymore.
Frankenswitcing is so fun, with so many possibilities. I recently made switches from CIY/KPrepublic sakura pok stem and 37g springs with Gateron smoothie housings, gives out a bright and creamy sound, I love it.
I absolutely hate how no one makes good quality prebuilts with north facing LED and shine through keycaps. It just looks way better and helps you if you use your PC at night often.
Writing this comment from this keyboard. I absolutely love the thocky switches, probably my favorite keyboard ever. It's quiet enough that you can't hear it through my mic on streams but just loud enough to thock irl. I also love the southfacing LEDs which look awesome with side printed keycaps!
Durability-wise, Kailh box switch variants are next to Cherry, but also had their share of issues in the past like it cracks the stems of keycaps. Nowadays, they made so many improvements while keeping their switches as durable by keeping the same box switch architecture. Very underrated switches.
Not an exact answer to the question at the end of the video, but I from what I've seen, the best value thockiness with a numpad is the Leobog Hi98. Maybe some consider it more on the marbley side? It also lacks some features (wired only, no QMK/VIA, no ISO option, northface RGB, no knob). But it suits my needs perfectly fine, and has the best board and sound quality I've seen in a prebuilt. $100, often as low as $87 like right now, on whatgeek or aliexpress.
Hey Hipyo! Could you please review the NJ80-CP HE? (crazy name i know lol) it’s rapid trigger which is great for gaming but i am wondering about the build quality, feel, and sound. I think a review from the amazing Hipyo would be amazing :D
I am french but I don’t care about ISO layout, because I actually use a BÉPO typing, on ANSI keebs, because of wider availability. I can’t stand OEM caps, idk why they are so common. Imao the best thocky switches are in the line of Ink black V2 or something like that, which are actually loud. Thocky silent is maybe a taste of yours, but not loud enough to be tagged real thock. Linear switches only give feed back on the bottoming out or on the way back up, I like more a tactile or clicky feeling. For myself, I prefer Clickety clackety like Kailh box White V2, and I like tacky too. Just bought a Leobolg 75 with Juggle switches and moa keycaps, it sounds like popcorn, amazing. Akko lavander purple are nice too, even a little louder.
I believe the VTER Galaxy100 is cheaper while having a full aluminum case. It's basically the Galaxy80 with a numpad so it doesn't support VIA or QMK as far as I know 🤔.
Weird because you already reviewed a keyboard with this switch and it’s the 75% version of this very keyboard and said it was the most silent keyboard ever. I actually ordered one and it was completely silent haha. Interesting that the two different keyboards in the same line with the same switches sound so different
OMG - I had thought these were the alternate switch from that board but I went back and checked and YEP same switch. My only thought it that the internals on this board are a tad different than the other minilos - but even the standalone switch sound is different so I'll have to check with varmilo on this to see if something changed
@@HipyoTech Ya the gasket mount seems different for sure. It’s funny because you mentioned the same stuff. The other one came and smelled and you also took apart those switches and they drove you nuts. It was all very familiar sounding (except the sound of the keyboard!)
My definition of thock seems to be the same as Hipyo's, and I love it because when I'm thocking away, it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up and it's very therapeutic, almost ASMR'ish
Keychron Q6 Max + Gateron banana switches, the best full layout keyboard; I didn't need to tinker with anything, thock out of the box, and no stabilizer issues.
Hi Hipyo! New viewer here! I have browsed your playlist on keyboards and keycaps and i think you haven't done something like this... Is it possible for you to make a keyboard that looks "elegant and classical"? Something that evokes the style of vintage but has the modern tech of custom mechanical keyboards. Might be a silly suggestion, but thought i'd put it down. Have a good day!
I like the deep, marbly sound. I used to like clicky, but I just got a Keychron Q2 with Gateron blues, and it legit sounds like typing on broken glass! Swapping those switches out now!
I feel keyboard sound is dependant on use and environment My work keyboard I made for silence since it's open office and we all sit and type all day A content creator may.want similar even so they can make content without a constant background noise. But some like the esthetic of the noise. As long as it fits the use and environment your using it a keyboard is a personal tool
I think the best value for money *with a numpad* would probably the QK100. It's barebones, and so costs a bit more to get up and running, but it's full aluminum and looks substantially better than the skyloong.
thock for me is more like marbley or deep crisp sounds..Like you were typing on a aboard made of ceramic. The only board i've had that comes close to my ideal thock would be my Rainy75, which i ironically discovered through your shorts
I like deep thock and I cannot lie. Well, thock and great key travel and mild resistance. Love the videos, including this one. Thanks for trying everything so we don't have to.
I'm probably going to order the reddragon K619. Now i know this is pretty controvercial but i have a good reason. This is going to be for about 100 instructor consoles. I need something that is reletively cheap, has a replacable cable, has replacable keys for when they wear out, preferably has replacable switches, has a numpad, has a volume knob rather than a key combo(this means we dont need to mount a tacky knob on the desk or wall) and probably equally important to the knob and replacable parts, some form of backlight for when the instructor is using a projector with the room lights off. We had little lights that would do their best to light up the tray from above, but when the teachers pull out this tray to, you know, see the keyboard, the lights no longer lit up the keyboard.
At this price point and form factor, I like the IF98 Pro with the Gateron G Pro yellow switches. It is unapologetically plastic but I just like the way it feels. The YZ98 seems like it would be good for people that want south facing LEDs its like $90. I almost always will go 1800 formfactor a 75% with a separate numpad because I need it. My primary software is Blender and that is the fastest way to change views, focus, etc. Not everyone needs a numpad but for those of us that do we are going to be vocal because we really need it.
as someone who's only bought a Mechanical cheapo board because I got sick of replacing full Membrane keyboards every time one or two keys died: Tock is just the catch-all term for "pleasant keyboard sounds" maybe on the deeper end, but yeah, a lot of different pleasant Keyboard sounds seem to fall under "Thock"
also Numpads are good, they let you write Unicode wich for some reason the Number row doesn't; i just wish that for that price you were able to take it out when not needed, maybe even be able to mount it on the left
I agree that the numpad section of the keyboard space is underserved. It makes me sad, since I use them regularly. Some people do TKL with a separate numpad (Zoom, Cidoo, and Keychron) that matches, or you can do a TKL with an un-matched numpad. If you want a true 100% (not a compact 100%, like this one), it's limited. Monsgeek, Keychron, Varmillo (plastic), and uhhh, That's it. I have 30 years of muscle memory I'd rather not re-train, and the true 100% layout is probably what anybody over 25 years old learned on. Maybe chromebooks are the cause for the demise of the numpad, I dunno, but it's really soured me on custom keyboards. They're all following the same wedge-shaped 65% design, and it all feels very not-customizable, just the same thing from different brands.
Help me, Hipyo -- you're my only hope! 🙏 I assembled my first keyboard (M1WV3) and it's great, but I've fallen victim to Phantom Numpad Syndrome and need a standalone numpad. I want a barebones one that matches the white M1W but all I find are pre-builts with bad switches or overpriced ones with too many features (don't need a second knob.. is it even possible to handle two knobs at the same time??).
ALSO Kailh winglatch/box switches don't obstruct cherry keycaps with north facing LEDs. So if you have a cheap keyboard with north LEDs and are looking for the "thock" sound they're an interesting choice. But yeah, there are much more silent switches out there if you want silence
Dude. I’m building a Rohan themed keyboard to be my *main* keyboard for my desk set up and THESE SWITCHES ARE WHAT I NEEEEEEED. I settled for MMD Princess v3 because i do love a good tactile but what I had in my head was a sound like horse hooves thudding from a distance. These are them!! (Edoras Drop keycaps by the way)
This was the keyboard I was thinking of getting my mum for work for her birthday (she needs the num pad). Was gonna go for the silent one after the first varmilo video but why arent they as silent as the 75% one?.
I actually got the 75% Varmillo from them (to bring to work) and I really love it. Since I already have a 101% at home, I got their silent switches so that I can have the same kind of sound/feel, but it just doesn't feel right after I swapped it out. It sounds louder, too. What can I do to make it more quiet/feel better?
Ive been looking for a switch like this for so long. So long. Leave it to the youtuber who got me into keyboards in the first place to put me on. Thank you hipyo
The only other competitor to this board is probably the Monsgeek M2 as a direct 1800 competitor It's a bit dated now but overall still a solid board. They do have the M5 for the full size lovers out there.
Can you make a video that shows which switch can fit a type of hot swap socket. I'm new to this and just done modding my first kb, the mods i did are the tape, eva foam, and pe foam. The next mod I'm eyeing is changing the switches and keycaps but I can't find a straight to the point answer to what brand of switch is compatible with each other. The keyboard I'm using uses a outemu socket but i need a straight list of which brand or type of switch is compatible with each other.
Skyloong GK104 haver (thanks Hipyo for the coupon!) and numpad user here, I have a black model and swapped the caps to black Womier caps and it looks less tacky imo. Wish I could turn off the numpad screen when I don't need it, but it's not distracting and the calculator function is super helpful.
I also got it with their silent switches and after lubing them the sound is nice and deep, but also pretty quiet. It really is a lot of value for the money, if you can get past the software lol.
just wanted to ask: this year has been very very completive for 75% keyboards, do you still reckon 65%s like the womier sk71, yunzii a71 are still worth it compared to all the other 75% boards like offerings from womier, chillkey and stuff?
Thock is a full, resonant sound that makes the experience of typing - for people who have professions which demand a ton of typing, writers, programmers, etc, anyone who spends more than two hours a day, thock is the more resonant, deeper sound than the more high-pitched, clacky sound.
Edit: The switch at 8:50 is Outemu Silent Peach V2 Switch not Gateron smoothies.
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@@HipyoTech i would like to see your thought about the snoothies anyway
I am a thockk enjoyer, but clack i also nice, but ONLY if it's a supremely premium sounding clack. Thock is just much more pleasant usually.
The Peach Silent have a V3 variant now with led diffuser and pre lube for anyone who are looking to get them.
*You 60% and TKL keyboard users confuse me. Do you not do your taxes? Do you not make spreadsheets, or do numerical research or calculations??? The keypad is designed so you can calculate things or enter numerical data without looking at the keys and do it quickly and effectively. You can't do that with the 1-0 keys above the alphabet keypad.*
*Also.... Imagine a calculator that looked like this:*
*1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 + - x ÷ =* 😑
ISO Gang here.
Thanks for highlighting the ISO options. Even when keyboards dont have those options, knowing that when they do, you'll mention them, is great comfort to us who want decent keyboards, but with a more traditional layout.
Yes! Finally, this keyboard is actually just what i need, and i need ISO layout
I thought you were talking about iso like the agent in valorant
@@sajidjaber2513 lmao i havent realised that relevation yet. ISO is now the keyboard layout agent
ISO gang rise up, I love split left shift for gaming and my JIS Realforce got me used to the tall enter key, both looks and feel. Almost bought that compact ergo with the southpaw numpad because of the iso support, if only it had tenting...
As a numpad user I feel like I’m taking crazy pills because the numpad gets dunked on. I clicked this video as soon as I saw that beautiful section to the right of the arrow keys!
Yeah, and if ur doing maths or equations it's a lot more efficient than using a huge spread - out number bar
If you are doing maths or equations it's a lot more efficient than using the spread-out number bar
Varmillo also has some true full sized 100% options (they call them 110%), if you like the big zero key.
If I built a mechanical keyboard for work I’d never even consider *not* having a numpad! However, at home having more desk space is more important since it’s mostly used for streaming/gaming. Dunking on numpads is silly.
Justice for number pad keyboards!!!
I have been recommending "bad" silent switches for YEARS and the community has always ridiculed me for it. I call this sound signature as "Muted". They are not silent, they are not thocky either, but they have properties from both. The bottomout sounds like a solid punch rather than a deep plastic to plastic contact. I SERIOUSLY RECOMMEND LICHICX RED (tactile) and LICHICX LUCY (linear). honorable mention to GATERON CAP BLACK CRYSTAL SILENT REDS (better if you can get milky cap bottom housing and use the gateron nothpole as top housing). It is very important to spring swap these switches so they can also give that DEEP UPSTROKE. SEMI SILENT SWITCHES ARE AWESOME AND THIS IS A HILL IM WILLING TO DIE ON. Thank you for this video!!
Bonus. The Rainy75 lite has the perfect internal acoustics to accentuate the deep punchy sounds of "bad" silent switches.
What do you use on the rainy75? Trying to swap out the stock wob switches
Have you tried Gateron Zero Degrees? Pretty darn solid too.
Thank you for being the first to die on the hill, I will now join you.
@@MrYeungMoney i use lichicx crimson red, also known as jkdk red. The invokeys daydreamer is also the same exact switch but with a heavy spring. Theremingoat wrote a review on both. Lichicx are my fave silent switches because they dont use dampeners. The whole bottom half of the stem is made of solid silencing material. No mush, all thump.
@@ykt8469 i actually use those for my office numpad. Haha. It's also on some keys in my nd75 with cerakey keycaps.
Rather than "deep and subjectively good," I think a more widely applicable definition would be "deep and partially muffled." "Clacky," by contrast, would be "higher pitched and sharp"
I think the num pad being a divisive feature is interesting. I like a number pad for work cause I do a lot of number entry.
I don't need a num pad a lot but do prefer it for any number entry when needed. So in my ideal scenario I'd have it as a separate piece that I can move aside or even rebind if I felt dirty
@@curtislevey7639 can get TKL or 75% and just a separate numpad like Epomaker EK21
Same! I see so many nice keyboards that I want to buy but I resist the urge because I know I won’t use them due to the lack of the numpad which I need for work 😅
I get that keyboard sound is not objective and it’s subjective but why would you choose clack over thock like thock is just objectively better.
😂
This is true. I am not a keyboard nerd but goddamn did my Wooting start feeling good when I got Jade switches. I just kept on typing and tapping the keys after installation. I just enjoy using this now on top of being a great GAM1Ng KBd.
To me clacky sounds better because it makes the keyboard more lively usually whereas as a thocky keyboard usually just sounds dead to me. Sometimes i like the dead sound tho
Hell nah, calling it "objectively better" is crazy and so wrong
If it was subjective, then why would something be "objectively better"? Nice rage bait.
Num pad gang like this message in solidarity.
I'm in Accounting. Num pad is a non-negotiable for me!
So when can we get an actual 100% build? Some of us use our keyboards for work. Numpad, can't live without. Placement of end, home, delete, page up/down.... is perfect.
I've been using the Montech MKey because it's the closest to what I need, but I can't get it apart to mod it.
How's the sound / feel of that? My wife has been on the hunt for a thoccy full keyboard for work which is why I clicked this video but 160 dollars is a bit more than we'd like to spend at the moment. But I see the MKey going for 80 dollars right now which is far more tempting.
Maybe the true thock is the friends we made along the way...
POISON DART FORGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FROOOGIIEEEE include them more in your videos I DEMAND IT
Shipping to the UK is $50. Immediately puts this in the same price bucket as some other premium options at $225.
8:48 Pretty sure that's an Outemu Honey Peach, not a Gateron Smoothie 🤣
Oh yep I got that wrong, Outemu Silent Peach V2 Switch is the name!
Good spot
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Someone wanted me to spec them a silent keyboard with linears (They have no idea about keyboards, so that's not what they said, of course) "on the cheap", so that's the first switch I went to.
I even put Lemons into a fighting controller for a friend, and I'll do the same. Outemu is just the best on a budget.
V3 are even better. Better typing feel and they are more consisent.
RIP Hipyo. Tetanus is not to be messed around with.
@@cliftonchurch6039 got the shot 🙏
Rust isn't the factor that gives you tetanus, it's soil/dirt on rust that does. I.e. a rusty old nail in dirt.
It's a common misconception with tetanus.
Not saying you shouldn't immediately visit a professional at first symptoms either. And hopefully Hipyo will recover from this terrible terrible injury.
Hipyo:
Band for band 🚫
Keyboard for keyboard ✅
the brain rot is wild af
@@imtheloaf this aint even brainrot. its just a normal song. other people brainrottify the song
@@Aubfx true but now it’s main version is brainrottified
Zero experience on modding but I work on a logitech at work and simultaneously lost my will to live so thanks for reviewing keyboards like this for us filthy casuals!
THE KING OF YAPPING IS BACK AT IT AGAIN
So then this would make a good substitute teacher keyboard then? I’m completely new to keyboards but hate hate hate the desktop keyboards at the school I sub for, I love thock and a number pad is an absolute need along with the top row of functions above the number buttons if that makes sense
This is an awesome keyboard and I would love to see more videos (or a roundup video) for keyboard with numpads/tenkey. I work in accounting and I struggle to find quality information on them! 98, 96, 100?! Let’s go!
LEGIT. Thock is like like punk rock. "What's punk rock?" it's whatever you want it to be. It's special because of the friends we made along the way, and the way a keeb feels when we interact with it.
It's true we need more thocky keyboards with numpads..
Ok this is gonna sound very wrong but i would genuinely explain thock as "deep creamy"
I think it can have thock...and creamy sound at same time.
So. Instead of "thock" how about a keyboard that sings instead of pings. Or maybe a keyboard that sounds like tubular bells? Or the best a keyboard that sounds like angels are walking softly across the keys? LOL.
That's the Skyloong, it has built in speakers for key press sounds
@@elzafir ive never heard of this before what skyloong has this?
@@chickenchuggets6395 GK104
My personal preference is a deep pitched, creamy marbly sound. *chefs kiss* I also really really love a silent switch that sound reminiscent of raindrops on a window. I hope to build a silent keyboard soon specifically to take to my office!
While it isn't actually a word, I would assume it to be onomatopoeia, just like "click." When you say "click," the "i" actually forces you to either whisper the vowel or use a higher frequency for the vowel. This corresponds to the high pitched sound a tactile switch makes when actuated. You can analyze "thock" the same way. The "o" is almost baritone by comparison. The "TH" by itself also implies the sound of a linear switch being actuated rather than a tactile switch clinking. The baritone nature of the "o" in thock also reflect the way in which a linear switch echoes inside the keyboard when it bottoms out.
lol bought this keyboard a few days ago and was looking for vids on it before buying but there werent many... now here we are :3
I have been searching for a keyboard with a number pad that looks cute, sounds nice and is cheap…this does most of those things….now I gotta wait for a sale.
Always nice to see more decent ISO keyboards. I'm in Québec and our Canadian French keyboards are ISO, we use the extra keys for grammatical accuracy. ISO is the international standard, it's really only the U.S.A. and Taiwan that officially use ANSI, which is really terrible at typing any language other than US English. The entire effing world officially is on ISO by academic and government standards but online shops often only carry ANSI-English, so as local companies are bought out or pushed to bankruptcy we can't even find proper keyboards to type our own languages in our own countries anymore.
Frankenswitcing is so fun, with so many possibilities.
I recently made switches from CIY/KPrepublic sakura pok stem and 37g springs with Gateron smoothie housings, gives out a bright and creamy sound, I love it.
Varmilo has been quality for many many years. They've always been the "premium" Chinese brand.
And I use a 98/100 layout myself.
I absolutely hate how no one makes good quality prebuilts with north facing LED and shine through keycaps. It just looks way better and helps you if you use your PC at night often.
Writing this comment from this keyboard. I absolutely love the thocky switches, probably my favorite keyboard ever. It's quiet enough that you can't hear it through my mic on streams but just loud enough to thock irl. I also love the southfacing LEDs which look awesome with side printed keycaps!
I just got this keyboard a couple of days ago and just so we're all clear... The hype is real. I love it.
Please Muse 65 review Hipyo
Durability-wise, Kailh box switch variants are next to Cherry, but also had their share of issues in the past like it cracks the stems of keycaps.
Nowadays, they made so many improvements while keeping their switches as durable by keeping the same box switch architecture. Very underrated switches.
Very deep possibly marbly sound.
This is my perfect thock too
Hipyo can you try the surmen m75 keyboard
to Anyone that wants to hear the keyboard…
Here: 1:13
The whole video and he barely did a sound test
Not an exact answer to the question at the end of the video, but I from what I've seen, the best value thockiness with a numpad is the Leobog Hi98. Maybe some consider it more on the marbley side? It also lacks some features (wired only, no QMK/VIA, no ISO option, northface RGB, no knob). But it suits my needs perfectly fine, and has the best board and sound quality I've seen in a prebuilt. $100, often as low as $87 like right now, on whatgeek or aliexpress.
You should make a vid where you test those switches in a ton of other keyboards and compare the 'thock'. 😊
Hey Hipyo, will you make a video about recent Akko's wooden keyboard: MU01 with the latest and thockiest akko's switches ever - the Rosewood switches
Hey Hipyo! Could you please review the NJ80-CP HE? (crazy name i know lol) it’s rapid trigger which is great for gaming but i am wondering about the build quality, feel, and sound. I think a review from the amazing Hipyo would be amazing :D
As a cultured numpad enjoyer, I almost impulse-bought this but then I saw there were no other color schemes.
One day i cometo my friend house i see his keyboard and i click it and it was a clicky keyboard, we never talked again.
7:39 love the shaggy from scooby doo fit 😂
Please try magnetic keyboards such as the made 68 please Hipyo
I am french but I don’t care about ISO layout, because I actually use a BÉPO typing, on ANSI keebs, because of wider availability. I can’t stand OEM caps, idk why they are so common.
Imao the best thocky switches are in the line of Ink black V2 or something like that, which are actually loud. Thocky silent is maybe a taste of yours, but not loud enough to be tagged real thock.
Linear switches only give feed back on the bottoming out or on the way back up, I like more a tactile or clicky feeling.
For myself, I prefer Clickety clackety like Kailh box White V2, and I like tacky too. Just bought a Leobolg 75 with Juggle switches and moa keycaps, it sounds like popcorn, amazing. Akko lavander purple are nice too, even a little louder.
I believe the VTER Galaxy100 is cheaper while having a full aluminum case. It's basically the Galaxy80 with a numpad so it doesn't support VIA or QMK as far as I know 🤔.
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Editing glitch around 1:40 in case you missed it @HipyoTech :)
Weird because you already reviewed a keyboard with this switch and it’s the 75% version of this very keyboard and said it was the most silent keyboard ever. I actually ordered one and it was completely silent haha. Interesting that the two different keyboards in the same line with the same switches sound so different
OMG - I had thought these were the alternate switch from that board but I went back and checked and YEP same switch. My only thought it that the internals on this board are a tad different than the other minilos - but even the standalone switch sound is different so I'll have to check with varmilo on this to see if something changed
@@HipyoTech Ya the gasket mount seems different for sure. It’s funny because you mentioned the same stuff. The other one came and smelled and you also took apart those switches and they drove you nuts. It was all very familiar sounding (except the sound of the keyboard!)
@@anathma Yeah same, I have a Minilo 75 with prestige silent switches... Very silent... So I was surprised watching this video
My definition of thock seems to be the same as Hipyo's, and I love it because when I'm thocking away, it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up and it's very therapeutic, almost ASMR'ish
How i define thock: "Something that cant be put into words"
Actually quite simple to write that down, i was expecting it to be hard.
Keychron Q6 Max + Gateron banana switches, the best full layout keyboard; I didn't need to tinker with anything, thock out of the box, and no stabilizer issues.
Hi Hipyo! New viewer here! I have browsed your playlist on keyboards and keycaps and i think you haven't done something like this... Is it possible for you to make a keyboard that looks "elegant and classical"? Something that evokes the style of vintage but has the modern tech of custom mechanical keyboards. Might be a silly suggestion, but thought i'd put it down. Have a good day!
I like the deep, marbly sound. I used to like clicky, but I just got a Keychron Q2 with Gateron blues, and it legit sounds like typing on broken glass! Swapping those switches out now!
I feel keyboard sound is dependant on use and environment
My work keyboard I made for silence since it's open office and we all sit and type all day
A content creator may.want similar even so they can make content without a constant background noise. But some like the esthetic of the noise. As long as it fits the use and environment your using it a keyboard is a personal tool
Here's my definition:
Thock: Deep
Clack: High pitched (lego building sound)
Creamy: Poppy/marble sound
I think the best value for money *with a numpad* would probably the QK100. It's barebones, and so costs a bit more to get up and running, but it's full aluminum and looks substantially better than the skyloong.
thock for me is more like marbley or deep crisp sounds..Like you were typing on a aboard made of ceramic. The only board i've had that comes close to my ideal thock would be my Rainy75, which i ironically discovered through your shorts
If you want marbly, hi75 with baby Kangs
I like deep thock and I cannot lie. Well, thock and great key travel and mild resistance. Love the videos, including this one. Thanks for trying everything so we don't have to.
Appreciation for the numpad gang representation 👍
You had it right the first time - I'm a stinky numpad user.
At $109 I think the best keyboard with a num pad is the RK S98. I love it right out of the box and it has a very marbley sound, which I love.
Question, do alt codes work on keyboards without numpads? Most of the ones i tried do not support alt codes. Like alt+0178 or 79(² and ³)
I'm probably going to order the reddragon K619. Now i know this is pretty controvercial but i have a good reason.
This is going to be for about 100 instructor consoles. I need something that is reletively cheap, has a replacable cable, has replacable keys for when they wear out, preferably has replacable switches, has a numpad, has a volume knob rather than a key combo(this means we dont need to mount a tacky knob on the desk or wall) and probably equally important to the knob and replacable parts, some form of backlight for when the instructor is using a projector with the room lights off. We had little lights that would do their best to light up the tray from above, but when the teachers pull out this tray to, you know, see the keyboard, the lights no longer lit up the keyboard.
would this be good beginner keyboard and switch the keys with cerakeys??
At this price point and form factor, I like the IF98 Pro with the Gateron G Pro yellow switches. It is unapologetically plastic but I just like the way it feels. The YZ98 seems like it would be good for people that want south facing LEDs its like $90. I almost always will go 1800 formfactor a 75% with a separate numpad because I need it. My primary software is Blender and that is the fastest way to change views, focus, etc. Not everyone needs a numpad but for those of us that do we are going to be vocal because we really need it.
Varmilo’s prices aren’t the lowest ones, but their quality of products and customer service are top notch. You guys shouldn’t sleep on them.
Plz review Ajazz Ak820 pro and compare it to Aula F75.
I have an old, 1980's green Alps keyboard, and it thocks good. One of the best thocks outside of some Topre boards.
That's my thock.
as someone who's only bought a Mechanical cheapo board because I got sick of replacing full Membrane keyboards every time one or two keys died:
Tock is just the catch-all term for "pleasant keyboard sounds" maybe on the deeper end, but yeah, a lot of different pleasant Keyboard sounds seem to fall under "Thock"
also Numpads are good, they let you write Unicode wich for some reason the Number row doesn't; i just wish that for that price you were able to take it out when not needed, maybe even be able to mount it on the left
Do you know if you can switch out the keycaps on this one? For something more rounded or flat?
I honestly really like the clacking of vintage keyboards
I swear man, we're just slowly devolving back into rubber membrane keyboards.
I agree that the numpad section of the keyboard space is underserved. It makes me sad, since I use them regularly. Some people do TKL with a separate numpad (Zoom, Cidoo, and Keychron) that matches, or you can do a TKL with an un-matched numpad. If you want a true 100% (not a compact 100%, like this one), it's limited. Monsgeek, Keychron, Varmillo (plastic), and uhhh, That's it. I have 30 years of muscle memory I'd rather not re-train, and the true 100% layout is probably what anybody over 25 years old learned on. Maybe chromebooks are the cause for the demise of the numpad, I dunno, but it's really soured me on custom keyboards. They're all following the same wedge-shaped 65% design, and it all feels very not-customizable, just the same thing from different brands.
Help me, Hipyo -- you're my only hope! 🙏
I assembled my first keyboard (M1WV3) and it's great, but I've fallen victim to Phantom Numpad Syndrome and need a standalone numpad. I want a barebones one that matches the white M1W but all I find are pre-builts with bad switches or overpriced ones with too many features (don't need a second knob.. is it even possible to handle two knobs at the same time??).
Kailh silents are great for deep sounds. I have the Kailh Deep Sea Ocean linears on my work keyboard and it is very nice to type on.
ALSO Kailh winglatch/box switches don't obstruct cherry keycaps with north facing LEDs. So if you have a cheap keyboard with north LEDs and are looking for the "thock" sound they're an interesting choice. But yeah, there are much more silent switches out there if you want silence
Dude. I’m building a Rohan themed keyboard to be my *main* keyboard for my desk set up and THESE SWITCHES ARE WHAT I NEEEEEEED. I settled for MMD Princess v3 because i do love a good tactile but what I had in my head was a sound like horse hooves thudding from a distance. These are them!!
(Edoras Drop keycaps by the way)
Unfortunately Varmilo's shipping prices are so high you might as well drop $50 on a higher end keyboard
I have tried over 20 different silent linear switches. The Kailh x Varmilo Prestige Silents are tied for my favorite.
This was the keyboard I was thinking of getting my mum for work for her birthday (she needs the num pad). Was gonna go for the silent one after the first varmilo video but why arent they as silent as the 75% one?.
I want to see a Muse HE keyboard review. Hipyo why do you hate Hall Effect?
Thock is the sound of angels singing. Also NUMPAD heck yes heck yes heck yes. Numpad and thock is everything.
I actually got the 75% Varmillo from them (to bring to work) and I really love it. Since I already have a 101% at home, I got their silent switches so that I can have the same kind of sound/feel, but it just doesn't feel right after I swapped it out. It sounds louder, too. What can I do to make it more quiet/feel better?
Ive been looking for a switch like this for so long. So long. Leave it to the youtuber who got me into keyboards in the first place to put me on. Thank you hipyo
Can you do a video on keycap materials, how they deeper, and how it helps when it comes to sound profile and thockability (yes that is a word)?
The only other competitor to this board is probably the Monsgeek M2 as a direct 1800 competitor
It's a bit dated now but overall still a solid board. They do have the M5 for the full size lovers out there.
Can you make a video that shows which switch can fit a type of hot swap socket. I'm new to this and just done modding my first kb, the mods i did are the tape, eva foam, and pe foam. The next mod I'm eyeing is changing the switches and keycaps but I can't find a straight to the point answer to what brand of switch is compatible with each other.
The keyboard I'm using uses a outemu socket but i need a straight list of which brand or type of switch is compatible with each other.
Could you please start adding videos of ISO keyboards to a playlist?
Skyloong GK104 haver (thanks Hipyo for the coupon!) and numpad user here, I have a black model and swapped the caps to black Womier caps and it looks less tacky imo. Wish I could turn off the numpad screen when I don't need it, but it's not distracting and the calculator function is super helpful.
I also got it with their silent switches and after lubing them the sound is nice and deep, but also pretty quiet. It really is a lot of value for the money, if you can get past the software lol.
EPOMAKER x Feker Galaxy80 also sounds fantastic out of the box. I bought two lol.
i ordered galaxy100 for 105$ full alu keyboard, only downside is no qmk/via but with 1800 you won't need it that much
Aula F99 could give this a run for it's money. Sounds nice, has Numpad and is half the price. 😀
i got it for 40$ so it's almost 4 times less, but based on f75 review he doesn't like non sponsored keyboards
Yeeees, BE iso?!!! Finally!!! I need it! AZERTY 🤣
Edit: AND ITS 2.4 GHZ?!!! IM ADDICTED! BYE! IM BUYING IT!
hipyo whats ur overall favrouite keyboard
I'have had a good sounding marbly keyboard, a good sounding clacky. Thock is my sound without question. I still appreciate your thock keyboard videos
Thanks for reviewing 98% keyboard, I asked about it some time ago and you really did it. You're great!!!
just wanted to ask:
this year has been very very completive for 75% keyboards, do you still reckon 65%s like the womier sk71, yunzii a71 are still worth it compared to all the other 75% boards like offerings from womier, chillkey and stuff?
Pinging > everything. There is no better sound than hearing your keys ping
Thock=lego video game building noise
Thock is a full, resonant sound that makes the experience of typing - for people who have professions which demand a ton of typing, writers, programmers, etc, anyone who spends more than two hours a day, thock is the more resonant, deeper sound than the more high-pitched, clacky sound.