How To Turn Your Upper Body Open Into Impact (With NO SPIN OUT!)
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2024
- Have you been told that turning or opening your upper body is a bad thing, and only leads to a spin out? Let's change that!
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What if I told you that upper body rotation in the golf swing can be healthy, dynamic, and even powerful? What if I told you I've seen it employed by some of the greatest players of all time, including: Ben Hogan, Sam Snead, Peter Thompson, Dustin Johnson, and Rory McIlroy (all whom I show in this video). In this episode I'll expand on last week's video where I explained that keeping your back to the target in the downswing isn't a necessity as has often been said, plus I'll show you how just 3 simple keys (if followed) can allow you to turn your chest freely through impact just like the pros! I hope you enjoy this video, and as always I welcome your thoughts. Thanks for watching!
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I’ve been playing inconsistently for 20+ years because of life. The last couple years have freed up and golf is basically my life. These videos taught me how to really hit a golf ball
Glad to hear it!
You’re such a good teacher … hats off.
I’ve given a few lessons myself so I appreciate you even more.
It can be a difficult task and you present your ideas and methods simply and candidly with no “selling”.
And … you can hit the bloody ball and no-one demos ideas like you.
I recommend your channel constantly.
Thanks so much for your kind words, and for following along!
Thanks Milo , always love when you put out a new video. Gives me hope for my golf swing 😊
Glad to hear it
Yours is the hardest swing to do, after swinging the wrong way for forty years it seems inevitable that I do the right way, aka, your way Coach Milo.
Old habits die hard!
Best summation yet. Well done!
Thanks for the watch!!
Milo, the first time I saw a down the line view of a pro golfer at impact I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It was maybe a couple decades later that I saw that all good ballstrikers were in essentially the same position at impact. Your instruction is excellent and the drills you come up with really gets a person to "feel those feels" of the good strikers.
Thanks Steve, glad you see what I see!
This was excellent! Great demonstration
Thanks so much!
This was such a great demonstration!🤙🏻
Thanks Chris!
Outstanding Presentation!!
Thank you! Cheers!
I watch a ton of youtube golf vids. You have an amazing talent of teaching. Great examples. Thanks!
Thanks so much!
Agree!
Great video!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
dang it Milo.... as an ex-baseballer... Practiced a lot at South Alabama.... and an avid golfer of 43 years... you've intrigued me enough to change my whole concept of a golf swing... even with two hip replacements i now feel like i've just got to have more hip rotation to have any success.... and yes my throwing arm... rotator cuff was torn a couple of years ago and repaired..... but damn the torpedoes..... full steam ahead...
Just remember the hips flex and the chest rotates we don’t want to spin the hips
You nailed it on this one ... great progression !
Thanks for watching!
Wow! The tee ball just put everything into perspective. I’ve been feeling like I don’t have enough side bend, almost like I’m standing up. I also played baseball for 20 years and tend to leave my pressure in my back foot. Thanks for the visuals, will try this more.
Glad it was helpful!
I have the same issue!
Really good video!
Glad you enjoyed it Jeff, thanks for watching!
Perfect Milo, What is your opinion on the Sacrum following the lead Heel in transition? If you look at your (back to the target explanation) you do place your Left heel toward target. As does Rory in the next clip. I intend on working your Tee Ball to Golf Ball drill throughout the winter! 👍
The hockey stick analogy from a few weeks ago has really helped me. Focusing on the chest rotation takes the hands and arms out of it for me. Thx Milo
Awesome Jason 👊
Really great! Thank you!
You bet 👊
Simply the best !
Thanks for watching!
that was the best expiation and demo of getting that swing and contact i've seen. Can't wait to work that into my golf game!!
Thanks for watching Carey!
I think the number one thing that sends ex-baseball players down the wrong path immediately in golf is a swing coach saying “it’s nothing like baseball, forget that”. Watching your videos this year has brought me back to thinking of the golf swing like all my years of baseball training. I’m by no means going on tour but I’ve had a much higher % of shots in my rounds that just feel absolutely amazing. Instead of leaving a round thinking about that ONE shot that will keep me coming back, I’m laughing at the one or two shanks where I just completely got out of sequence or something, like swinging early at a ball on the outside edge of the plate and popping it up to 2nd base haha.
Thanks for watching Ian! Glad it has been helpful.
@@MiloLinesGolf thank you for this video! I am a PGA professional I would love to know what causes players to really get too much side bend and tilt away from the target causing getting too much under the shot. Thank you again!
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@@johnmclaughlin9283generally it’s too much lateral movement in the pelvis.
The best instruction on CZcams in the best location.
Thanks so much for following along!
Nice and simple
Thanks Nico, hope you are well 👊
Milo nice video. The hockey stick sold me - but your shoulders were 90 degrees turn and chest facing the target at stick stuck at bag!! If this was reality my arms can’t reach impact 😂 T Rex 🦖 but I get the gist! 👍
Have you been told rotation only causes you to swing out over the top?
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We teach Venezolanos players that played baseball many years ago, They have beatiful downswing and secuence. Thanks a lot
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One of your best vids.
Your right forearm and your trail thigh in perfect sync into impact. (future video?)
What are your thoughts ....Over the Top from the inside?
The whole 9 yards. Kudos !
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Excellent stuff. Would you say it's harder to do that sort of swing with very high hands at the top (lead arm way above shoulder plane)? I tend to lift clup late in downswing so I find it hard to "re-connect". Guys like DJ have relatively high hands and hit a fade so I guess It would tend promote a more accross path logically. When I do a very slow and pieced-out "flatter" (for me) backswing (feels super short to me) and rotate around (feels under) my spine, it works amazingly well. just can't seem to get my backswing in control.. It's always been long and loose.. Runs on. focusing on that right now.
No just requires some different match ups
Nice work! I would like to see some analysis or relationship to the left shoulder motion maybe added here. I see golfers that feel back to the target longer tend to rotate that left shoulder under the shoulder plane and back too soon. Maybe a modified replace your shoulders approach.
I see their left (lead) shoulder tend to shoot up to the sky and not trace the arc.
I think that the trouble getting the shoulders open is primarily due to flawed ideas of how to do it. This is a great video that exposes a lot of these issues. Many people try to open their shoulders but if you do it too early it causes a stall. Hard for people to understand the sequence timing is probably the most important part of the swing (other than setup fundamentals).
Great video. Keep up the great work. Alan
Thanks so much for your thoughts Alan!
@@MiloLinesGolf I’ve definitely been guilty of this thinking… seen on video not opening enough…then try to open earlier or faster, but it’s a sequence issue and the opening gets worse the more you try. If it gets worse with the solution, I’ve learned that you are seeing the effect (symptom) not the cause. We almost always see the symptoms. Great teachers will see the cause.
Square clubface helps. And also a feeling of throwing the clubface back behind when it wants to come down. Like a double hit
When you unwind the system, are you unwinding with the hip rotation first pulling the upper body and arms through to the ball or is it your upper body unwinding and bringing the hips through and around?
Yes that is what happens but the hip rotation is passive. The pelvis unwinds naturally when you drop in transition.
I think the main difference between turning into the ball like swinging a baseball bat and coming over the top usually awkwardly in golf is that in baseball you are swinging the whole bat thru while a golfer swinging way over the top is trying to hit the ball with the clubhead so they are not swinging the whole club thru they are just swinging the clubhead at the ball. This would be like trying to hit a baseball off the very end of the bat, even worse in golf the clubhead is at or beyond the end of the shaft and off to the side of the shaft. So in baseball you are swinging the whole bat where thru muscle memory the sweet spot will hit the ball not the very end or nub of the bat. When you do that most of the bat is being swung INSIDE of the ball so most of your force is turning and swinging thru inside of the ball. So its more like you are squaring up the whole length of the bat or club than swinging the end or clubhead and just trying to square up the clubhead. So in golf your arms are attached to your shoulders which are inside and above the ball, so your whole swing is inside and above the ball, only the very end pf the club, the clubhead, reaches the ball. So your forces you impart on the club are swinging thru inside and above the ball not right at the ball.
Proper sequencing is imperative to a great swing. Great illustration using the baseball bat! New subscriber. Thank you for the great lessons.
Welcome aboard!
@@MiloLinesGolf Thanks !
Milo, I'm 51 and have back pain. I have always been a standup early extender with poor downswing rotation. I know what you mean about turning in our bends(I call it rotating on a slant) but I am wondering if it is possible for somebody like me with back pain to even do in full speed?
I have found the patterns I coach on this channel and in-person to be the best for swinging safely and reducing back pain. I always suggest working with me 1-on-1 or by joining my online academy at milolinesgolf.com so I can see your swing and offer the best possible feedback.
Pressure shift timing 👊
Bingo!
When I let the club fall a little behind shallowing the club in the transition with my wedges I’m hitting the hosel causing me to shank.
Would I be right in saying there is no shallowing of the club with wedges.
Something else is happening that is throwing the system off. I’d love to help but I’d need to see your swing to give the best advice
You mentioned symmetry in replacing lead shoulder with trail shoulder in downswing. Don’t the shoulders turn on a line perpendicular to the spine on the takeaway and turn a little more steeply in the downswing?
Correct but the main reason is we grip the club trail hand under lead
what mechanisms in the swing do you use to square the club face? Any time I feel the arms/hands reacting to the body opening up, the hands get late and the face stays 5-10 degrees open. The harder I swing, the more this happens - which leads to having nice fades for a 9 iron but terrible push-fades with the driver. I'm a 2 handicap golfer who often loses a ball per round out of bounds. The driver slice appearing is keeping me from the 60s.
Grip and wrist conditions
@@MiloLinesGolf so alongside the feeling of the body starting before the hands, the wrists should have their independent feeling of rolling into the ball and exiting low, i assume? Golf's just a tough game then. Most instructors say that getting set in a picture perfect position at p4 allows you to just turn into the ball as hard as you want, but dont mention the role of the hands. I can surely turn into the ball with a lot of power and be 10 degrees open lol.
As a former baseball player, this resonates with me. Thanks for the vid! As a side note, the demonstrations of the bad baseball swing had me cracking up! :-) Thanks Milo!
Haha, it felt so awkward.
@@MiloLinesGolf Haha. A lot of those were "nobody ever would do that" swings. Surprised you even touched the ball on some of those. 😀
I know you are a multisport athlete and seems like side on sports are your thing. Tennis serve which may be even harder than the golf swing is also shoulder over shoulder while most spin out in a circle. The forehand is the same with the left shoulder being replaced by the right for a right-handed player. The commonality in dynamic movements is a lot of fun to explore.
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Also I’ve always kinda did the start down with the hands going out with your stuff I’ve been feeling like my hands go back in the changing direction like a loop gets me to feel a stretch like X factor increases in the slow motion thanks again just want to play this game like other sports -intention do it
You’ll get there!
With the weight shift, is that supplying the momentum by using gravity and body weight to power the motion? And may I offer an incentive idea for the channel. Best question of the week wins a hat. And since this is going to be the best question of the week, I am honoured to be the first to win the hat. Thank you.
Good idea I’ll have to run it by my team!
@@MiloLinesGolf and the question I asked?
@@truthlifefishing1730 yes the momentum of our mass and the stretch shorten cycle when we wind up and unwind correctly powers the swing
This makes the most sense otherwise it’s always a race to get your hips open and your hands to the middle of your body
Thanks for watching Chris!
To keep the head at position far behind the ball is basically vital to make a correct and powerful swing.
However , if we put anybit of attention at any where above the waist, the head would be pushed forward with a standing lower body.
@5:45, the warm up of Si Woo King is misleading, his real swing is like this:
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At downswing, he even move his head further away to the ball before impact.
The swing of baseball batting is also inconsistent to the real. The baseball hitter doesn't rotate the upper body too much, they put the bat vertically right before the body, because they don't want to waist time to drag the bat back into the needed running path.
As my opinion, there is no any rotation is helpful for golf swing, just the SIDE BEND and SHIFT along the club head path is meaningful!
I’ve started doing your swing system in parts and very slow motion to change my swing at 60 4 handicap but don’t hit longer clubs well consistently shoulders square and pretty level at impact I’m going to stay with it over the winter to get Ironman light open 😂
Winter is the time to make changes!
I have watched a lot of baseball swing coach tutorials and none of them swing the way you do. Most notably is the way they teach the arms. Your arms extended through the baseball swing. Every baseball swing coach teaches that the elbows are bent through impact where full extension doesn’t occur until well after the ball. I assume this is a speed thing since a baseball is coming down the line at over 100mph. They actually teach sort of a spin out method. I’ll send you a video link. I don’t think baseball and golf swings are the same at all and I think comparing the two is outdated. If the similarities were close, you would have pro golfers that could hit a baseball like a pro and pro baseball players hitting like pro golfers. Although I’m sure there are some exceptions, my statement holds for 99% of players.
There are a few differences but many similarities. How many big league hitting coaches have you spent time with to make a blanket statement about what is being taught? I happen to give lessons to a few big league hitting coaches and have spent many hours talking swing theory with them and we find lots of crossover. There are many professional baseball players that hit the golf ball like professional golfers only much farther, problem is to be good at golf one must master more than hitting bombs which is why quite a few of the top Long Drivers in the world are former baseball players.
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U need side tilt in ur down swing. Just gotta tilt and turn.
Some side bend is definitely needed.
This video just made it all click. I have been watching all the slow mo videos and trying to figure out how to comfortably get in that impact position and doing it like a baseball swing and gradually lowering it is like...duh! That's the feeling
Thanks for watching!
How can I achieve this without my head turning first and looking away and down the target line. Seems to be the only way I can get my brain to allow myself to turn and open my whole body
Maybe allowing your head to go isn't a bad thing so long as you stay in good bends...I'd have to see your swing to give you the best feedback. Have you looked into joining my online academy at milolinesgolf.com?
@@MiloLinesGolf I’ll take a look milo, appreciate your response
This is a nice channel. But after decades of dragging a dead, wet horse up a mountain. IE, learning the golf swing. Now they're telling me to come over the top from the inside.
How we define over-the-top is important. I have my preferences and others have theirs, it's just how the world goes.
I agree with what your saying, except in your demonstration your rolling your shoulders back creating the over the top move. When you yourself are actually hitting the ball your hips are clearing in front of your shoulders. Your shoulders and the pro golfers hips are more square to the line at impact and the hips have cleared. Again I agree with what you’re teaching, except for the demonstration which is out racing the trail arm
See KOSUKE GOLF
I’ll have to check out his page