One thing I have found on my pot (the same brand as yours), is that they are way more efficient if you don't crank the stove up. I run mine just above idle, and the fuel consumption goes way down. If you think about it, any heat that escapes the exchanger is wasted.
The Olicamp XTS pot with the 1.7 oz titanium stove (sold as a set) is my favorite: pot stores rubber collapsable cup + fuel cannister + stove+stove base+lighter +dish towel + pot gripper (lose the handles and lid) in net sack. I have created a 4oz 10" non stick skillet 3/8' deep that works with pot gripper as well--tortillas, pancakes ,fish, fried eggs etc. "Freezer bag cooking' with repackaging of all meals and a COZEE (foil bubbler wrap pouch for quart size ziploc bags) to hold food mix while rehydrating and cooking---No dishes or bulky MH bags to carry out--Bubble wrap wind screen loosley around entire frypan and stove setup.
So that would lead me to believe the larger volumes you need to prepare... maybe you are preparing your coffee and a dehydrated meal all at once, or maybe you are preparing a meal for more than one person... then these become more and more beneficial...
We used a jet boil on our Philmont trek and it saved a lot of time. We didn’t do a fuel savings calc but it was the time spent rehydrating that was the main factor. You don’t usually backpack for the awesome food. 😀. Great video as usual.
There are many reasons the Jetboils are so popular... including: Convenient (easy) & efficient... But here is a cheaper alternative to get some of those same benefits... with the stove you may already own...
Got the boulin 3500 with 11/2 ltr pot.The stove is made for pot bottom.and stove top to fit together with no wind whatsoever.Also with remote canister,so fuel and flame kept far apart.Approx.50$,personally recommend!
One thing I'd like to think about is heat exchangers on a frying pan. The only heat exchanger I've seen is on the MSR Windburner, and it's insanely expensive, but the reason why I believe heat exchanger frying pans would be useful is because it may allow the pan to heat more evenly, as most backpacking stoves are designed to focus heat in a small area. It may be an interesting test to see with a IR camera how heat is distribulted across a heat exchanger frying pan, and equivalent non heat exchanger frying pan, or maybe we should all just fry in our little water boiling pots lol.
I have a heat exchanger pot like yours, put it against a camping enamel pot similar size, granted not an experiment as detailed as yours, simple home test. Same amount of water, same water temperature, stove top at same number and guess what! The much cheaper camping enamel pot did a rolling boil MUCH faster! How much faster? I didn’t keep track since I felt like an idiot for spending so much more in heat exchanger pots (I have 3…..triple idiot) 😩.
Interesting, I'm surprised by the idea that they become more effective as the pots get larger as the larger the pot the greater the distance the hot gas has to release its thermal energy even without a heat exchanger. . . if you understand what I mean.
Do you typically boil without the lid on? In my experience using the lid creates a faster boil/saves fuel as well! That aside, I'm looking for a different system as I got tired of the lid on lid on my JetBoil Stash falling off during pouring and the valve control kept coming out of its hole! With the pots you just displayed, does the silicone on the handle keep the handle cool enough to, well, handle?! And does that lid actually clip on securely and stay on during a pour? I'm leaning towards a heat exchange pot as I've always appreciated the fast boil of the JetBoil models! Just thinking of saving a bit of weight and not going back to JetBoil Flash. And while you are at it...what stove are you using here? Thanks!!
I totally agree!... I do boil with the lid on because it speeds up the boil time substantially. But the issue I found for this test was that with the lid on, I had a more difficult time determining the boiling point. So if I did them both without the lid on, while it would take them both longer, it would be a better apples-to-apples comparison for the sake of this one experiment. The lid does stay on now while pouring, although I wonder if over time it would wear enough to lose that grippiness. But even if it does weardown over a few years they do sell just a replacement lid (or if you lose it) - olicamp.com/cookware/329085-xtslt-1l-pot-lid-replacement.html I uses the pocket rocket 2 by MSR in this video - bit.ly/2EUgO9R but I also use the ultralight BRS300T - amzn.to/31OQcAg when I take a smaller pot setup. I also did a video a while back on my cook kit that you may find useful - czcams.com/video/A-IsT5GcrsU/video.html
@@AndyParrishOutdoors Great thanks!! someone at the local large outfitter wink wink, said to me, "why do you even need it [the lid on the Stash] ...you don't need the lid to boil the water." Gobsmacked at that response!!
These may be a great option for camping with the family or backpacking with a larger group potentially. There is a weight penalty to having the heat exchanger but there is a definite savings on time and fuel... what do you think?
So that's the big question for a backpacking application. This pot had a penalty of about 40g. Which may not be too bad if you are going with a couple people or even more... Or just considering the fuel savings over the life of the pot... But would it be a better option for a base camping situation? Or car camping?
If you ever need to carry a second 100g fuel canister or size up to a larger canister, that 40g extra weight in the pot would likely more than pay for itself in reduced fuel weight. For example, two backpackers can cook 6 meals on a 3 night trip using just one 100g canister if they use a heat exchanger pot such as JetBoil. The same trip while require a second canister with a conventional pot. Empty canisters are about 100g, so even a half full canister is an extra 150g of weight. So I think heat exchangers make sense for couples or hiking buddies sharing a stove.
One thing I have found on my pot (the same brand as yours), is that they are way more efficient if you don't crank the stove up. I run mine just above idle, and the fuel consumption goes way down. If you think about it, any heat that escapes the exchanger is wasted.
Good input thanks
The Olicamp XTS pot with the 1.7 oz titanium stove (sold as a set) is my favorite: pot stores rubber collapsable cup + fuel cannister + stove+stove base+lighter +dish towel + pot gripper (lose the handles and lid) in net sack. I have created a 4oz 10" non stick skillet 3/8' deep that works with pot gripper as well--tortillas, pancakes ,fish, fried eggs etc. "Freezer bag cooking' with repackaging of all meals and a COZEE (foil bubbler wrap pouch for quart size ziploc bags) to hold food mix while rehydrating and cooking---No dishes or bulky MH bags to carry out--Bubble wrap wind screen loosley around entire frypan and stove setup.
Great comparison. I did a comparison for my MSR Whisperlite with the JetBoil 1.5l pot. I agree, more volume = even more efficiency
So that would lead me to believe the larger volumes you need to prepare... maybe you are preparing your coffee and a dehydrated meal all at once, or maybe you are preparing a meal for more than one person... then these become more and more beneficial...
We used a jet boil on our Philmont trek and it saved a lot of time. We didn’t do a fuel savings calc but it was the time spent rehydrating that was the main factor. You don’t usually backpack for the awesome food. 😀. Great video as usual.
There are many reasons the Jetboils are so popular... including: Convenient (easy) & efficient... But here is a cheaper alternative to get some of those same benefits... with the stove you may already own...
Got the boulin 3500 with 11/2 ltr pot.The stove is made for pot bottom.and stove top to fit together with no wind whatsoever.Also with remote canister,so fuel and flame kept far apart.Approx.50$,personally recommend!
Thanks for sharing
One thing I'd like to think about is heat exchangers on a frying pan. The only heat exchanger I've seen is on the MSR Windburner, and it's insanely expensive, but the reason why I believe heat exchanger frying pans would be useful is because it may allow the pan to heat more evenly, as most backpacking stoves are designed to focus heat in a small area. It may be an interesting test to see with a IR camera how heat is distribulted across a heat exchanger frying pan, and equivalent non heat exchanger frying pan, or maybe we should all just fry in our little water boiling pots lol.
Jetboil used to make a heat exchanger frying pan. I had one
I have a heat exchanger pot like yours, put it against a camping enamel pot similar size, granted not an experiment as detailed as yours, simple home test. Same amount of water, same water temperature, stove top at same number and guess what! The much cheaper camping enamel pot did a rolling boil MUCH faster! How much faster? I didn’t keep track since I felt like an idiot for spending so much more in heat exchanger pots (I have 3…..triple idiot) 😩.
Electric stove?
Interesting, I'm surprised by the idea that they become more effective as the pots get larger as the larger the pot the greater the distance the hot gas has to release its thermal energy even without a heat exchanger. . . if you understand what I mean.
Great work mate 😊
Thank you! Cheers!
Do you typically boil without the lid on? In my experience using the lid creates a faster boil/saves fuel as well! That aside, I'm looking for a different system as I got tired of the lid on lid on my JetBoil Stash falling off during pouring and the valve control kept coming out of its hole!
With the pots you just displayed, does the silicone on the handle keep the handle cool enough to, well, handle?! And does that lid actually clip on securely and stay on during a pour? I'm leaning towards a heat exchange pot as I've always appreciated the fast boil of the JetBoil models! Just thinking of saving a bit of weight and not going back to JetBoil Flash.
And while you are at it...what stove are you using here? Thanks!!
I totally agree!... I do boil with the lid on because it speeds up the boil time substantially. But the issue I found for this test was that with the lid on, I had a more difficult time determining the boiling point. So if I did them both without the lid on, while it would take them both longer, it would be a better apples-to-apples comparison for the sake of this one experiment.
The lid does stay on now while pouring, although I wonder if over time it would wear enough to lose that grippiness. But even if it does weardown over a few years they do sell just a replacement lid (or if you lose it) - olicamp.com/cookware/329085-xtslt-1l-pot-lid-replacement.html
I uses the pocket rocket 2 by MSR in this video - bit.ly/2EUgO9R but I also use the ultralight BRS300T - amzn.to/31OQcAg when I take a smaller pot setup.
I also did a video a while back on my cook kit that you may find useful - czcams.com/video/A-IsT5GcrsU/video.html
@@AndyParrishOutdoors Great thanks!! someone at the local large outfitter wink wink, said to me, "why do you even need it [the lid on the Stash] ...you don't need the lid to boil the water." Gobsmacked at that response!!
@Melanie Garden Well, I guess you dont "need" it on.
But if you would like shorter heating times and better fuel efficiency then you do! ;)
These may be a great option for camping with the family or backpacking with a larger group potentially. There is a weight penalty to having the heat exchanger but there is a definite savings on time and fuel... what do you think?
Well done!
Thanks!
Compare heat exchanger with wind shield. Same.
Then see what they do with both...
Interesting 🤔 but what is the weight penalty for the pot that has the heat exchanger?
So that's the big question for a backpacking application. This pot had a penalty of about 40g. Which may not be too bad if you are going with a couple people or even more... Or just considering the fuel savings over the life of the pot...
But would it be a better option for a base camping situation? Or car camping?
If you ever need to carry a second 100g fuel canister or size up to a larger canister, that 40g extra weight in the pot would likely more than pay for itself in reduced fuel weight.
For example, two backpackers can cook 6 meals on a 3 night trip using just one 100g canister if they use a heat exchanger pot such as JetBoil. The same trip while require a second canister with a conventional pot. Empty canisters are about 100g, so even a half full canister is an extra 150g of weight.
So I think heat exchangers make sense for couples or hiking buddies sharing a stove.
@@pepstein I totally agree. These really start to show their value with larger volumes and the fuel savings adds up quickly over time...