Virpil HAWK 60 - Is The Newest Collective Grip Right For You? NO BS
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On the actual UH-60, the trigger is the collective trim, so that you can pull the trigger to adjust collective, then release it so that the collective stays in the same position instead of just falling to the floor.
Triggers on helicopter collectives are for the force trim release. Similar to the cyclic FTR. Squeeze the trigger, move the collective and it stays there. If you move the collective without the trigger pressed, when you let go of the collective it bounces or rebounds back to it's last position in which the trigger was pressed
@@joeiacovino9660 Well I can think of many and I fly one that has as my job. So don't think this isn't applicable just because you aren't aware.
@@joeiacovino9660 Well that's why. The force trim trigger is on the Mike model 60.
If you feel the collective on a A/L model, there will be a notch where the trigger would be for the other Aircraft models that have them. A/L Army models have collective friction instead of a force trim. I believe the Airforce and Navy may have force trim, but don't quote me on that, I've only ever flown on Army 60s. But everyone else had full coupled Autopilot before big Army did, so it would make sense.
Sauce, I've been crewing for a little over 10 years. Been on As, L,s and Ms. Both Medevac and Assault. Even flew on an EH-60 once, before it went to foreign sales. The only thing I haven't flown on is an MH cus I'm a dirty Nasty Girl.
Some helicopters such as the blackhawk use friction for their collectives. The Chinook uses an electrical current like you said to hold in place.
@@joeiacovino9660 Hip Mi-8 has a collective trim
And so it could work only if someone makes a force feedback collective :)
Damn i'm kinda glad it's not a AH-64 Grip. I just got my shipping confirmation on the SharKa-50 two days ago... It would have sucked massively if a AH-64 Grip would have released only a couple of days after i bought another Chollective Grip. But wow Virpil are on a roll now, they keep releasing one great product after the other... my poor Wallet.
Thanks for the insight, Noob! Though I haven't pulled the trigger on a stick set up yet, it's great to have videos like these explaining the pros/cons of them.
So cool to see helis being simulated in controls...Top tip (at least for turbine birds with FADEC) if you ONLY have a HOTAS with multiple throttle inputs (like the warhog) you can set the small lever for engine power; reverse the axis on the main lever and use as the collective. Very immersive and since FADEC works in conjuction with collective to control engine power as you utilise the collective youre all set for flying.
With the way that virpil are going I wouldn't be surprised if in the next few years they start coming out with some replica plane grips similar to the warthog hey.
I’d like a Viggen stick grip. 😆
With the AH-64D coming out in DCS soon, it would be a really wasted opportunity for VIRPIL not to create an Apache grip. Just saying...
Although, to be honest, either the KA-50 or Blackhawk grips would be perfectly serviceable. :D
I am from the future. Your desires have been fulfilled.
I would think they would want to release an apache grip with DCS releasing hte apache soon
The trigger on the real helicopter is a trim release switch for the collective. It allows to trim out the collective, pressing it and moving it to where you want then releasing it.
And it hit right after my SharKa50 arrived, too... with me actually setting up in a virtual Apache wing. I have the distinct feeling that I'll be making another purchase at Virpil's in the near future.
This reminds me that I have an RC radio that can connect to a PC via USB and appear as a couple of joysticks and a bunch of buttons and encoders. The thing is designed so that you can control RC anything but fixed wing and helicopter in particular. To make life easier and reduce thundering in with your model they have the concept of mixing where input from one or more channels can partially affect another. For helicopter this means you can mix throttle input with the tail channel to offset the loss/gain of torque caused when changing your throttle. I don't know if real choppers have this but they should.
Some of what I read in the Virpil manuals reminds me of the joys of RC Radio configuration.
Now we only need a actual UH-60 module in DCS :) Please Santa!
FACT
Santa actually showed up with it haha
On 60's today... the trigger has been removed. The Trim release on the cyclic is what is used. Mr. Delaney covers it very well on his comment.
I believed English was your first language until I heard you say decals
DECK-AL
Already ordered for Christmas (potentially). I am a huge heli simmer so this will be a perfect addition to my set up.
Just to touch on the difference between the SharKa-50 and the Hawk-60, the Hawk-60 is more of a flight utility collective head (in terms of labels because you can map the buttons to do what the heck you like). The SharKa-50 is mostly a mission head for combat helicopters rather than utility.
Would love to know what set up you have with all cords and mounts to be able to set it up like you have it on your chair.
The eng RPM switch is actually supposed to control the governor limits.
The Eng RPM switch is not intended to be used for throttle, it is used to set the governor speed which limits Rotor RPM.
Hard pass on this one. Too close to work.
The trigger on the 60M model's collective is for the collective trim. When releasing the trigger the collective stays put at the power setting we desire. The thumb hat below the head is for fine tuning of that power setting, adjusting vertical speeds on the flight director, establishing standard-rate turns in flight when coupled to the flight director (awesome when flying instruments), and when in coupled hover mode we can push it left/right to do pedal turns (It will hold a heading for us) or change our hover height on the flight director (autopilot - but it kinda sucks. Experienced pilots will hover better than the system). The older models used a collective friction twist to somewhat lock the collective in place of the collective trim.
Well done to Virpil, and top notch content Noobifier.
5:40 that tester dude has socks very fitting to the overall design)))
hopefully in the future I can get setup going, chair and all
I wonder what using a helicopter setup in a space simulation would be like. Reminds me of flying a 747 in X-Plane with an RC radio hooked to my PC.
Great Job !! In your opinion which should be the best helicopters commands for XPlane and pro use (I mean no game). Said that, with flexible budget and no a simple cheap set. Thanks a lot !! All the best
Wow. That's fantastic. I have a Gazelle in DCS :)
great overview
Wow. Virpil is really developing an entire ecosystem of perephrials and devices. Will MFDs be next or are they going to leave it upto Game Glass and some old phablets ?
Hey noob just got my collective in, when I go to setup the collective the UH-60 grip it is not showing under the grip/modifications. Any help is much appreciated
The trigger should be the collective trim release.
How you doing community on DCS world Blackhawk on my collective that I just picked up when I pulled up the helicopter goes down when I push down the helicopter goes up. How can I fix this? I have the same one you did, you know?
Add this to the list of things I want but can't justify buying...
Hello, I have the Virpil VPS. I'm having issues with my collective in my DCS World on the Blackhawk 64D helicopter. When I pull up on my collective, the helicopter goes down. Then when I push down on my collective, it goes down. It seems as if it's backward, how do I fix that issue?
Took me a couple of pauses to get an idea of how you organized your monstertech sets with the throttle and collective together.
It’s good if you want to just change over for plane
I'm actually shocked it's not more expensive. I can't afford it now but I might be able to not too far into the future.
@NOOBIFIER1337 I just found your channel and have recently thought about getting into flight sims. I'm prior USMC and worked in Aviation for the Corps. Particularly the AV8B Harrier. I was always interested in flying helicopters for the Army, but was unable to fly due to my left eye not being able to be corrected. That being said, I'm loving all the reviews on Virpil you have been doing. I would ask you which hotas and collective and collaborating components would you recommend for helos? Specifically the ah 6 little bird and Ah 64 Apache.
Hello and thanks. If you are able to join discord, this might be a conversation better had there. If not, there is also an email as part of the about page of this channel
This looks amazing
+BrianMP5T *VIRPIL® Controls can approach the Lockheed Sikorsky H-60 Series with Control Panels #2 and #3, the Rotor TCS™ with Hawk-60® grip, the MongoosT-50CM2® gimbal* with a Constellation ALPHA-R™ on a 200mm extension, and the ACE™ Flight Pedal set.
The WarBRD grip is more realistic, no? For helocopetr
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Actually, the H-60 grip is a multibutton from Esterline Industries with two rows of switches in the top pod; VIRPIL, unfortunately, didn't leave space for a flip-guarded Drop Load button for the winch on either the Constellation ALPHA or the MongoosT-50CM2®. The WarBRD™ is appropriate for legacy products of Bell Helicopter Textron, as well as Army and Air Force fixed-wing types prior to 1958.
Hope you will review the new Virpil control panel coming out in november !
I might be ready for that already…
Very nice.
Have you tried the Hawk-60 grip with the new UH-60L mod for DCS?
I have not yet, but I will be starting up DCS content again shortly. Will test that for sure
Nice. I'd like to see you test the grip on one of their joystick bases to see if it works and get your opinion. It looks like it would work.
It does work but is not very comfortable/ergonomic. Also you can use their stick grips on the collective. The constellation delta (no longer in production) makes for a great universal collective head as its ambidextrous with lots of inputs.
@@willhartsell2283 Thanks
Can you please go over which parts of Monstertech options went in your setup ?
Chair, center mount, left and right mount, rotation kit, throttle adaptor, collective mount.
really awesome
Very cool
What chair are you using in the video? Looks like an actual purpose built flight chair.
Yes. It is a Monstertech Flight Chair. I have some review videos and there is a promo code in the description that gets you a price reduction. Ask any questions you have
So much cool stuff, I have no money though
my dude said “irl” and i instantly clicked out.
So I watched your reviews of this collective, as well as the SharKa50, but I have a question, since DCS: AH-64 is going to be "Baby's First Helicopter Sim" and I'm still deciding which one I like better.
Did you find it easier to manipulate engine RPM with the twist axis on the TCS Plus, or the thumb switch on the Hawk-60 (assuming you tried it)?
Twist makes more sense as it’s quick
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Many thanks.
When you say sharka 50 do you mean the Shark KA-50?
Hey Noobifier, you probably won't see this but, quick question, would you recommend either of the collective grips in combination with the z-extension for dual stick flying in Star Citizen or should one stick to using two Alpha grips?
I don’t think that would be optimal, but if you try it, please let me know
@@NOOBIFIER1337 in that case i'll probably just pick up an Alpha grip, i don't really have another use for the collective grip and i don't want to spend 200 bucks on it just to not use it :D Thanks for the reply mate
Someday... I'll get some decent hosas
OMG yes i love this
I would love to do helicopter simulator, but barely have time for Star Citizen. .. I hope to upgrade dual joysticks from T16000 Ms to either VKB or Virpil in a few months. Will I regret one over the other choice? Is Virpil worth the extra money?
I’d say Virpil.. vkb looks like it gets the job done but a little less complex.. I’d say if you want the full sim experience go virpil
Ack! It’s mr bigglesworth.
I thought about going with the Virpil COllective but I went with the Winwing Brand to check them out their new on the market and I like how they put the Throttle in the correct area on the collective which is by the grip and not half way down the shaft and I understand why they did this but to me I prefer it this way but we all have a likes and dislikes
Throttle isn’t usually used much during flight like that though.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Your Right there but I still like to use it can be useful in some moments most choppers use governor's also which maintain Rotor Rpm.
I must ask about the position of your left arm while using the collective grip. The position of your left arm looks uncomfortable. Holding that position for a medium or long flight has to be a problem.
No not really. Plus things are adjustable so it can be made to suit you
Trigger on Grip is for Coms
There is no trigger on the UH-60 collective. It is not there on the real collective stick at all.
Initially I was thinking of the cyclic stick and that it was for the radios / ICS system, but that's on the cyclic stick only.
Indeed (I had to check) . Adding one gives it way more utility, when it comes to people using this for things like the Apache it will be handy (which has two triggers, one for each part of the collective, the rear one is guarded).
Interesting. The trigger served as the collective trim on the SH-60B when I flew it. I wonder if it’s still there on the SH-60R.
@@stewmanji
On the Army models they didn't have any collective trim beyond the collective friction. The cyclic trim was the hat switch on the cyclic. One flight we borrowed an aircraft and the collective friction blocks were worn out and the cyclic trim got stick on the return trip. No assistance the whole flight home. You know.....back in the day
@@nicholaschattaway8364 That’s really interesting to learn about the trim setup. And that sounds like a dream flight, haha…been there myself when we lost the #2 hyd pump out at sea. Had to get back to the boat at night with no AFCS and no boost. My left leg had a good workout, haha.
Oh good, no tiny fiddly stickers to fiddle with. :-D
Right?
Hi, what is the chair in the video, please?
Monstertech Pilot Chair. There is a link in my video description.
Still to expensive for me :/
But I can fly DCS Helicopter. Best sim to fly choppers and for me the easiest way
I really wish controls for star citizen allowed for heli-like controls. I miss the previous flight model.
You can still do heli-like controls by using decoupled mode, but I dont know why you would do that. It is nothing like flying a heli as you are just controling the rate of rotation and vertical force where as with a helicopter you are contorling the pitch of the blades which does a bunch of weird stuff. Just fly decoupled mode with dual stick, it is much more enjoyable than flying decoupled with heli-like controls as you can do so much more.
@@epicgamer42069 in the flight model prior to this one, ships hovering in gravity were very much like a rotor wing with the rotor on the bottom. Slippy and almost impossible to balance. Too difficult for the average user, but in my opinion, far more immersive.
@@PopeRocket SC never had a flight model allot like rotor wing, sure it may have taken some skill to keep it balanced, but it was much more like manually balancing a falcon-9 booster during landing but simpler and not a helicopter. And I wouldn't really say it was too difficult for the average user, only too difficult for a beginner. Its still like that but with stablization systems added. But even with the old flight model I dont see why you would want to use heli controls instead of just using dual stick as you still get the same 4 control axis but with two more which allows you to do allot more. Realistic helicopter flight models are far more complex than anything you would reasonably do for space ships like the ones in SC. For space ships you just take the force from each thruster, drag if applicable, and gravity, then add it all up and apply it to the ship. In the specific case with SC there is a flight control system which takes your inputs and figures out what you want the ship to do (rotate or move in a certain way,. or in the case of decoupled mode, direction and ammount of thrust, and rotation) and then rotates the thrusters and controls the throttle of each thruster. With helicopters you have a ton of waky stuff that I wont even get into.
@@epicgamer42069 Absolutely accurate description. XD
Looks soooo amayzing ! Like they ripped them from real copters
Once it’s attached to the collective base, it’s quite believable as real
@@NOOBIFIER1337 all the poor Mig's, missing those sweet joysticks.
There you go with the "deck-als" again.
Deck ALS
Hate to be that guy but anyone know the chair make in this video?
It is by Monstertech. I have reviews for them as well.
Okay let’s be real… is this an option for star citizen?
No
@@NOOBIFIER1337 not with THAT attitude.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 What I'm hearing is we need an embarked utility/ground attack helicopter as a planetside exploration vehicle to fly from the Liberator in SC ... :)
Darn my wallet list. :-)
noooooooooooby
Hello, I have a the Virpil VPS. I'm having issues with my collective in my DCS World on the Blackhawk 64D helicopter. When I pull up on my collective, the helicopter goes down. Then when I push down on my collective, it goes down. It seems as if it's backward, how do I fix that issue?
Invert the axis