as a kyle main, if you want to push just a little bit more damage, activate magnetism spurt then immediately use your ult. they both will pop at the same time and magnetism spurt will get max damage, assuming you had maximum magnetism, as it scales off how much magnetism was consumed. adds a nice extra pop to the ult.
not only that, but you also want to have multi-talented for the cooldown, which is something he didnt go over. Spurt triggers 20% extra cooldown reduction so when you pop your utl you can be at the cap of 90% cooldown reduction.
In case you are unaware, a crystalization catalyst can be used on the sub attack module slot to gain more mod space bonus. Good luck and happy mathing!
but it only adds 5 when the module is maxed, so I advise on doing this one last because halfing the cost on normal sockets, means that you get 5-8 capacity back. I use it to make sure that I have space for a class mod
@@Twizzler300 it gives 1.5x ur modules capacity increase when u use it on the sub-module. so if u use a sub-module with lvl 0, u get 0x1.5=0. and if u are confused by my statement of "u get 5-8 capacity back" that as stated is for the "normal slots" aka NOT the sub-module slot.
I'm so glad to read this because I accidentally 'wasted' an early catalyst on Freyna on the sub attack module slot and I'm kuiper poor (I've literally farmed kuiper once) and haven't maxed that slot yet.
I'd also like to point out that once we get harder content, and if the devs ever buff shield modules so people stop running pure health on everything, Kyle will also be able to make for an actual support that can cause his team to shrug off full frontal nukes. With max skill cdr and radius, you can magnetism spurt every roughly 2 seconds, over a massive radius, and it will always 100% fully restore allies shields. It's a lot of fun to use it with Bunnies that run over to you for full shield recharges.
“At the end of the day, video games are meant to have fun”. I couldn’t agree anymore. I am so fed up with what gun is meta or what character is meta. Just have fun and build what you want. It will be worth it way more than just using this or that because it’s so called meta. Great video btw it really helped me hit harder with my Kyle.
As expected, it's a full skill build that throws tanking out the window. I'm a Kyle main and I cant even fit this build as an alternate, mobbing/messing around build as the sockets are wrong. I have 346% Shields and 250% Def and still get taxed tanking hard mode intercepts. This is a glass cannon Kyle and if you use catalysts on your sockets to fit this, your Kyle wont be able to fit a proper tank set up and will effectively be limited to being a skill build.
Kyle is my main, so I was waiting in anticipation for this video... and as I expected, I had overlooked something! (the modifier stuff mainly haha, I knew it was something). And voila, I saved myself some module capacity and increased my overall damage a surprisingly huge amount, thank you so much! If I may add, I don't run a crit build however, but a cooldown build over crit, love me some ability spam, I suggest if ya got time to try it out - maybe it can become a side project or just some extra fun on the side. So to keep this comment short (maybe a bit late for that), if ya want more details on the cooldown build a youtuber named JumpinProductions made a video on it. However my builds are a tad bit different, but the main idea is to reach 65-75% skill cooldown for bossing and then add multitalented over whatever you feel like for overworld farming etc. Thanks yet again for your time and carry on with the content, cheers! Here's hoping I'll see some more Kyles around! (They are severely lacking in public games, maybe I've seen 1 in 40 hours? or is that just me? hmm)
Yeaaah this build he posted isn't really good. The cdr fully tanky build is way better. I can spam my ult every 14 seconds and I'm tanky as hell and near impossible to kill cuz my magnetic spurt is on a low cooldown. Even with 200% crit on Kyle is base is 5% so you'd only get 10% crit lmao.
Absolutely love your content. Had to go back and watch all your videos and just saw this one post. The math and explanation of abilities and characteristics is perfect. Thank you very much for enjoyable content with some damn funny humor!
Your alright your humor is great. I'm sure you know this but I'm going to say it anyways if you put a catalyst on your sub module slot you can get an extra 5 capacity so instead of 10 you get 15
I would love it if you did this for Gley's 4th ability as well. Having explained the math in this video you could make a simple build showcase of Gley that maxes her 4th ability damage, and then refer to this video for people who want to know how you did it.
Get Secret Garden. With that maxed, every time you use a Dimension Skill, you have 39% chance to generate custom resource for a character (that has that). Thus Kyle can just check the air with and gain his magnetic force to do his 4.
My friend love your work and sent me this, you indeed do a lot of good work and your explanation can be used in other characters, i main Esiemo and i nerd about my build with my buddy on how i built him, but your insights were so much appreciated, thanks for the content, i'll try it on Esiemo :)
YOU ARE INSANE MAN 20m is crazy! I was streaming today for 7 hours coming up with theories and explaining numbers and i was explaining the skills as dps cycling too! I was talking about how when mega dungeons and harder content comes out building cooldown is equivalent to building damage, as over a 1 minute span the build with more dps and no cooldown modules will net more damage, but once you get into 2+ minutes, the person building a little less damage but a lot more cooldown will be doing significantly more damage, which is why freyna dot build is the best freyna build, I also was calculating for duration being a damage increase too, as for characters with dot when it comes to min maxing builds you want to try to get as close to a whole number as possible, for example if you are playing freyna and your poison dot is at 9.9 duration, getting a 0.1 second increase to that will increase your damge by 10%. I really like the delving into the skill power and when skill power modifier is better and i was wondering, what is the specific number where skill power modifier is better than skill power? general rule is around 100%, but since all reactors have exact same base skill power, if we make an equation going based off base skill power from reactor 11724, along with the values of specialist modules being the same too, could we possibly come up with a universal % where skill power officially beats skill power modifier?
It would probably be more beneficial to max out Skill Insight instead of Emergency Measures. The blue crit mods are typically best, so Skill Concentration should probably be here too, but I understand wanting to prioritize crit rate since his 4 skill is just one big hit
I build Kyle around his 3rd. Max Shields on gear, max CDR and skill range on mods. So you end up in 1.5s or 2s spamming the double tap of your 3rd for instant aoe bursts with knockdowns to stop enemies attacking your mates Ults Modifier is already high enough so in my eyes no need for crit or crit dmg. with non attribute or dimension focus you gain enough dmg for it
I finish building Blair and I am excited to build Kyle myself. Probably not going to go crit but that was definitely neat to see that 20 mil hit for sure. Consistent 10-15 mil hits on fireball Blair are fun but there is no doubt who has the highest potential dmg. I ended up building skill modifier ratio for Blair's stove/burn ratios instead of big fireball. Also with the backdraft module giving some nice gun boosts I am happy I picked one of the most balanced offensive character in the game. Now to try out some Kyle diving bombing.
@@ryechew What’s a tank build look like for you? I feel he’s still pretty darn tanky with full shield build and being able to rotate abilities properly.
@CalebAdams just replacing crit with shield, CDR and resource generation. You'd get 80 percent of your damage but not ever die basically unless you made poor life choices
I’m playing cooldown kyle, It does a lot more damage than crit does. You can reach cooldown cap (90%) with multitalented. 1.5sec on magnetic spurt is insane. Combined with secret garden you never run out of resource, you actually GAIN it by using your skills. Also having ult on 13seconds is just amazing.
Yeah CDR build seems the way to go and you do just as much damage as this with less work. Magnetic spurts only good for mobbing though, better to swap it for that one that gives more DPS on boss down and when the boss isn't looking at you
The only sad part about the CD build is loosing multitalented for Shield Collector once we finally get it since there’s no way to make up that 20% loss atm
Blue crit mods should always be used before purple ones. Purples give a total of 92.3% crit and crit dmg with their split stats, while blues give 115.4% to each stat individually. The same goes for crit mods on guns as well.
Nice, I am just waiting for some one to explain the math of Ajax's reflect damage as it is explained as DEF×skill power. Also agree on the chase what is fun idea. Working on Executor right now for that reason.
I agree with play what you like the most, and I've been enjoying your videos quite a bit so far, which is why I wanted to ask, if your building for damage why is your skill cooldown only at 31%? MP conversion has no down side for Kyle, Nimble Fingers is an easy choice, between the two you get something like 68% CD, add 2 focus on mods you can reach 74%, and if you use Multitalented you can spam the magnetism force ability as it IS a dimension skill for a bonus 20% making your CD total go up to around 94% CD. Far as I can tell, while that is a fat stack of mods, it should out weigh critical damage over a longer sample size as if you look at a say 300 second window, the crit damage would be a lot less in that time period. This matters for more than Kyle's ultimate, which is fun to play with on a passive 15 second cooldown, but the Magnetic Care passive to restore your shields and magnetic force can be gained once every 77 seconds instead of 200. Multitalented drags the cooldown on the passive down even further, naturally, so survivability goes up a LOT due to the passive, and damage goes up a LOT thanks to the ultimate all from specifically building cooldown on Kyle. In the video you mentioned critical hits were the only space you could go to for more damage on Kyle, I just thought I'd offer Cooldown as a relatively massive consideration for more damage, as I think your cooldown was about 40 on the ultimate, I could do 2 of them in that time which would be much more consistent damage than relying on a 11% crit chance + 2.5-ish crit damage multiplier. I would in a 45 second window, be able to do a third. Now I am ignoring travel time and ascending time on the ultimate for that projection of damage, but I would assume it would bring the overall damage window for 3 ults to about 50 seconds for me to perform 3, where as the build presented would perform 1 and be partially cooled down towards it's next one. In terms of single hit up front big numbers, I get the crit was your only option for that, but I didn't hear that said, I heard 'only option for more damage' which makes me think what I presented above may have been missed in your search for more cruise missile gameplay uptime. Keep making great vids man!
I found that the attack cards where a waste when making my build as well. I like how you test out the cards so in depth. Interesting how ambush works. I did not find even with the 200% crit bonus any crit was even worth it on Kyle. Its great when you get the orange numbers and makes for a great videos but I like to use those extra slots to make Kyle even more of a bull dozer. I have Shield collector in my build. It makes him a whole nother beast! Multitalented is good too.
Id like to add that these tests appear to be done with Level 1 enemies. Also shield amount does not change the damage... Its bugged or doesn't work as described.
Aznvasion has a very nice damage calculator for skills, he also has it not the exact, the closest formula the game uses for skill damage computation. It was something like (((skill power x skill power bonus "the reactor bonus") x skill power modifier) x skill power % ratio). He's got the actual explanation for how this works, I don't remember the exact formula, sorry, but I have used it and it's what I used to min-max my Bunny, Sharen, Viessa, and Jayber builds.
Blair is the character with the most abusive stats in the game for the big chonk damage. He can reach 100% crit rate EASILY with his passive (i personaly roll with 9x%) Truly Deadly Cuisine gives him a 6k% Skill Power Modifier skill. Also can reach a 7s Cooldown on it.
As a Kyle main recently converted about a week ago (From Freyna) I've got to say, you're obviously better at numbers than I, but wouldn't it make more sense to build for Cooldown and def/shield (Since, while shields do indeed suck, Kyle basically gets 1.8 shields worth per charge of his passive? I have my Experienced Technician recharge down to just under 60 seconds, and under 50 depending on if the Multitalented is up when the shield gets broken and the recharge timer kicks in. Magnetism Spurt gets down to 1.8 seconds with Multitalented and can just be spammed 3 at a time, and on the 4th it'll proc Multitalented again for an endless loop. Would not building his def/shield for survivability and working on the DPS from the weapon and spurt not be the better path? 300 seconds on ET to under 60 is huge while still pushing over 60k defense, just over 5700 shield and just under 19k skill power. I know there's lots of ways to build a descendant, but how reliable really is that crit chance vs the cooldown of thrusters? I don't do the math on those things. Thats why I subbed to you, my man! Love the work! You've made me put some much more effort into my dang descendants than I ever thought I actually would. lol
the damage was impressive, but you forgot about cooldown, which is huge for kyle. Magnetic care, spurt, and the ult all need reduced cooldown or your a sitting duck.
I will say, as a kyle main, that throwing in a ton of cdr into his kit makes him feel WAY better to play. you can get your ult down to a 15 second cooldown and essentially spam it. This with shoulder charge being on such a low cooldown that you can literally spam it makes you borderline invincible while maintaining extremely high ult damage
@@ryechew the thing is, is you can really do both. If you drop the crit, which as you said is pretty pathetic scaling for Kyle you can hit like a truck with very high cdr
@@NOLIMITZ00 Yep. -73% coll down reduction and Multitalanted mod make Magnetism Spurt 1.5 sec cool down, so it become spamable as hell. So Kyle have AOE spam ability whit 1.5 sec coll down and croud control effect. Godlike for mobbing and farming.
I use mine with around 75% cdr + multitalanted and as much shields and skill power I can. Farming secret garden now, the idea is to have max magnetic force when ult cool down resets.
I'd be curious about Ajax's Void Charge mod. It has some interesting mechanics that potentially adds flat DEF to the skill damage. The modifier for which is affected by the Skill Power Modifier mods. I wanna see what would happen if someone with 150k+ DEF were to build around that.
The argument for Blair is that you are going to actually be critting most of the time, but yeh this os definitely hitting harder than Blair ever could.
You're telling me you have leveled Kyle up to 40, 7 times and put catalysts on those slots. While playing other characters and doing the same? How much money are y'all spending and how tf you leveling so fast??
I went with focus on non attribute and focus on tech even though its a modifier on tech one , its cooldown is so worth it - id rather have a ult every 12s or less than one big one but i get the feeling haha still hitting 4/5 ults a minute is hilarious
Did you ever play Cyberpunk 2077? I am very curious to what their online Cyberpunk game will be like, but I think the first game has the ingredients to become a looter shooter like this.
After i fully built this and watched this video Several times and watch your twitch live stream and compare your executioner / devourer damage with my damage , I realized what it 's but whatever , hope they fix laboratory also let us see monster level in laboratory even after we changed race or resummoned it
Did you try Non-Attribute Master? Its a purple mod that gives 44.4% Skill Power and 19% Non-attribute Skill Power at max level. For me those Master Mods actually did more dmg then the "Focus on" or "Specialist" mods which are all part of the Battle group.
Wouldnt it be slightly better to just use skill insight and cconcentration instead of using front lines and emergency measures? FL+EM is like 92% skill crit hit/damage and while insight and concentration is 115% crit hit/damage
Been trying Yujin and been mostly playing an aoe build with Proliferating Allergy that does 445k against weak enemies. Unfortunately because the skill only detonates on enemy death or after 5s it's not worth it for colossi, so the heal build is preferred against Colossi. It seems like with Duty and Sacrifice he can heal like 10k hp of each player every 10 seconds or so without a long animation.
@@DestroyerArcher Thanks for reply, I was more interesting in his support role, i saw his skills heal and buff skill damage so i thought about supporting my carry friend when we duo colosus. But i'll see how much Luna will support.
@@FreeKillx02 Note that the buff from his non aug 4 is a self buff apparently. Although his 2 does make enemies take more damage. Just tried him in matchmade Molten Fortress with duty and sacrifice (augment for his 4th skill) and it was really easy keeping people alive, although we didn't clear. Passionate Sponsor makes him do decent dps too with guns in a group, since every player being healed gives him up to +75% (I'm assuming additive?) damage and skill power.
@@FreeKillx02 If you want a support that boosts team DPS I highly recommend picking up Enzo. The only downside is that his meta augment, Supply Firearm Enhancer, requires opening ultra vaults with enzo, but it is incredibly powerful as it boosts base weapon crit chance by 29%, letting even 1% crit guns consistently crit with crit chance mods (unless their magazine is very small like Guardian R4).
sorry, but this explanation of the skill power modifier and boost ratio didn't clarify anything for me. I think I am more confused after watching the video than I did before. Going through an example fully would make it much better.
Kyle main here, thank you for this, it really helped me to understand why I wasnt doing that much more damage when stacking the skill rate modifier. A question I have though, for his spurt ability would modifier be better there? AND do you think there is a better set for kyle than slayer?
Whilst those crits feel nice and all, the problem with kyle and crit is that he scales so horribly with crit that it just isn't worth it. Better to go CD and skill power for a cruise missile build and if you crit with the base crit great, but don't want to invest too much into it and rely on it.
I Maine kayl and the issue that needs to be fixed is that u can't use his ult if there's a roof or ship above u and the stagger from landing a hit with your ult cuz it's dum that if I hit a boss with my ult I'm stuck under his feet for few seconds
Great video as always! I wish I was better at math to do my own calculations though.. would it be possible to address damage over time in the future?. On behalf of every Freyna main it’d be greatly appreciated!
Can you make a Freyna video? I keep getting conflicting information on what mods to use for her because she is DOT. Love the videos, breaking down the numbers is amazing.
very cool. I ran in to you while you were leveling kyle. I hope to see more of these and I look forward to your video on Dangerous Ambush. anyone know how lethal finish mod works? I cannot seem to understand it.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give him a rod and teach him to fish and he eats for the rest of his life... This video gives you the rod and I appreciate that
Thanks for the break down especially about the reactor. But one number I've not been able to understand which is the sub power next to the main skill attack power on top. What is the meaning of that stat and the potential efficiency of the relevant % sub power mod as part of the bottom 2 mods.
Do the set component buffs. 2 matching 4 matching. Apply a stack per each component. Ie 8% buff x4 or is it just the given amount shown when matching 2 or 4.
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I think a tank build is more utilitarian although youd get 20 percentless damage. But i wanted to role play a cruise missile.
Ultimate viessa next!!
Perfect timing I just finished grinding all her pieces, can't wait 4 the vid
@Zeff0 I'm thinking a DOT build. Because it's abnormal. But ille only do that if she's good at it
@ryechew can you do lepic sence all of the lepic community wants to over stack power modifier on him lol
@@ryechew She's good at DoT's with Hypothermia. She gets some serious mileage off of skill power modifier for hypothermia only.
So he's done with the Einstein and Oppenheimer theory's now he makes Jimmy neutron builds subarashi 🎉
Kyle only has one weakness, ceilings
They got to fix that 😢
😂😂😂 hell yeah so annoying
Brilliant comment
Cave or inside missions suck lol
as a kyle main, if you want to push just a little bit more damage, activate magnetism spurt then immediately use your ult. they both will pop at the same time and magnetism spurt will get max damage, assuming you had maximum magnetism, as it scales off how much magnetism was consumed. adds a nice extra pop to the ult.
not only that, but you also want to have multi-talented for the cooldown, which is something he didnt go over. Spurt triggers 20% extra cooldown reduction so when you pop your utl you can be at the cap of 90% cooldown reduction.
In case you are unaware, a crystalization catalyst can be used on the sub attack module slot to gain more mod space bonus. Good luck and happy mathing!
thanks for the info, I was wondering that
but it only adds 5 when the module is maxed, so I advise on doing this one last because halfing the cost on normal sockets, means that you get 5-8 capacity back.
I use it to make sure that I have space for a class mod
@@MasterRaxerbut every slot is malachite. So it's ALWAYS 5 energy
@@Twizzler300 it gives 1.5x ur modules capacity increase when u use it on the sub-module. so if u use a sub-module with lvl 0, u get 0x1.5=0.
and if u are confused by my statement of "u get 5-8 capacity back" that as stated is for the "normal slots" aka NOT the sub-module slot.
I'm so glad to read this because I accidentally 'wasted' an early catalyst on Freyna on the sub attack module slot and I'm kuiper poor (I've literally farmed kuiper once) and haven't maxed that slot yet.
I'd also like to point out that once we get harder content, and if the devs ever buff shield modules so people stop running pure health on everything, Kyle will also be able to make for an actual support that can cause his team to shrug off full frontal nukes.
With max skill cdr and radius, you can magnetism spurt every roughly 2 seconds, over a massive radius, and it will always 100% fully restore allies shields.
It's a lot of fun to use it with Bunnies that run over to you for full shield recharges.
“At the end of the day, video games are meant to have fun”. I couldn’t agree anymore. I am so fed up with what gun is meta or what character is meta. Just have fun and build what you want. It will be worth it way more than just using this or that because it’s so called meta. Great video btw it really helped me hit harder with my Kyle.
As a Kyle main, I can safely say I was waiting patiently for this video! Love your work!
Sorry it took so long!! I have been busy
@@ryechew mate, take as long as you need! Your content has made a massive impact to not just me but to many descendants! It's always worth the wait 🙏🏼
Samee
As expected, it's a full skill build that throws tanking out the window. I'm a Kyle main and I cant even fit this build as an alternate, mobbing/messing around build as the sockets are wrong. I have 346% Shields and 250% Def and still get taxed tanking hard mode intercepts. This is a glass cannon Kyle and if you use catalysts on your sockets to fit this, your Kyle wont be able to fit a proper tank set up and will effectively be limited to being a skill build.
@McLoven-vm1ck I don't expect anyone to. I want people to focus on what they want to play.
I wanted to play a Cruise missle...
Bump for the algorithm
Love the content my man
Kyle is my main, so I was waiting in anticipation for this video... and as I expected, I had overlooked something! (the modifier stuff mainly haha, I knew it was something).
And voila, I saved myself some module capacity and increased my overall damage a surprisingly huge amount, thank you so much!
If I may add, I don't run a crit build however, but a cooldown build over crit, love me some ability spam, I suggest if ya got time to try it out - maybe it can become a side project or just some extra fun on the side.
So to keep this comment short (maybe a bit late for that), if ya want more details on the cooldown build a youtuber named JumpinProductions made a video on it.
However my builds are a tad bit different, but the main idea is to reach 65-75% skill cooldown for bossing and then add multitalented over whatever you feel like for overworld farming etc.
Thanks yet again for your time and carry on with the content, cheers!
Here's hoping I'll see some more Kyles around! (They are severely lacking in public games, maybe I've seen 1 in 40 hours? or is that just me? hmm)
This build is just for the clicks, it’s not actually the most optimal way to play Kyle for most content.
Also regarding not seeing a lot of Kyle’s, unless you buy him, most casual players will struggle to farm him without a solid group, imo.
Yeaaah this build he posted isn't really good. The cdr fully tanky build is way better. I can spam my ult every 14 seconds and I'm tanky as hell and near impossible to kill cuz my magnetic spurt is on a low cooldown. Even with 200% crit on Kyle is base is 5% so you'd only get 10% crit lmao.
@@DarrieusJohn if you don't mind could you link me to where the build is at. I'm trying to get my Kyle to a solid point
@@casongriffin6984 which one his or the standard cdr one?
It's always good to sit in for class with professor Ryechews
Absolutely love your content. Had to go back and watch all your videos and just saw this one post. The math and explanation of abilities and characteristics is perfect. Thank you very much for enjoyable content with some damn funny humor!
This is like a class on a video game, thats so cool!
you need ultimate weapon "secret garden". This will give you another 53% skill power!
This weapon is also getting a buff with the July 31st update patch
Bro hits the nastiest dmg of an kyle ever and proceeds to react like "nice😐"
Bc theres no point with the colussus weakpoint being taken away. 20 million to 4 million and its not like hes working with the best cooldown.
Your alright your humor is great. I'm sure you know this but I'm going to say it anyways if you put a catalyst on your sub module slot you can get an extra 5 capacity so instead of 10 you get 15
I don't know why I didn't say that lol
I would love it if you did this for Gley's 4th ability as well. Having explained the math in this video you could make a simple build showcase of Gley that maxes her 4th ability damage, and then refer to this video for people who want to know how you did it.
Get Secret Garden.
With that maxed, every time you use a Dimension Skill, you have 39% chance to generate custom resource for a character (that has that).
Thus Kyle can just check the air with and gain his magnetic force to do his 4.
Excellent thank you. I look forward to seeing all your builds.
My friend love your work and sent me this, you indeed do a lot of good work and your explanation can be used in other characters, i main Esiemo and i nerd about my build with my buddy on how i built him, but your insights were so much appreciated, thanks for the content, i'll try it on Esiemo :)
Bro, you're wild!! When you busted out the blackboard I felt like I was in math class! lol! GG's!!
You are the community hero people like you is what makes gaming fun thank you for your hard work 💪🏾💪🏾😁
Awesome build! I would like a series that you cover all your personal build for every descendant but I do understand it could be a lot of work.
YOU ARE INSANE MAN 20m is crazy! I was streaming today for 7 hours coming up with theories and explaining numbers and i was explaining the skills as dps cycling too! I was talking about how when mega dungeons and harder content comes out building cooldown is equivalent to building damage, as over a 1 minute span the build with more dps and no cooldown modules will net more damage, but once you get into 2+ minutes, the person building a little less damage but a lot more cooldown will be doing significantly more damage, which is why freyna dot build is the best freyna build, I also was calculating for duration being a damage increase too, as for characters with dot when it comes to min maxing builds you want to try to get as close to a whole number as possible, for example if you are playing freyna and your poison dot is at 9.9 duration, getting a 0.1 second increase to that will increase your damge by 10%. I really like the delving into the skill power and when skill power modifier is better and i was wondering, what is the specific number where skill power modifier is better than skill power? general rule is around 100%, but since all reactors have exact same base skill power, if we make an equation going based off base skill power from reactor 11724, along with the values of specialist modules being the same too, could we possibly come up with a universal % where skill power officially beats skill power modifier?
Thanks for the advice bro, I learned a lot watching this video. Definitely a fan now
It would probably be more beneficial to max out Skill Insight instead of Emergency Measures. The blue crit mods are typically best, so Skill Concentration should probably be here too, but I understand wanting to prioritize crit rate since his 4 skill is just one big hit
Definitely an argument for that. Also for not even running crit.
I build Kyle around his 3rd. Max Shields on gear, max CDR and skill range on mods. So you end up in 1.5s or 2s spamming the double tap of your 3rd for instant aoe bursts with knockdowns to stop enemies attacking your mates
Ults Modifier is already high enough so in my eyes no need for crit or crit dmg. with non attribute or dimension focus you gain enough dmg for it
I finish building Blair and I am excited to build Kyle myself. Probably not going to go crit but that was definitely neat to see that 20 mil hit for sure. Consistent 10-15 mil hits on fireball Blair are fun but there is no doubt who has the highest potential dmg.
I ended up building skill modifier ratio for Blair's stove/burn ratios instead of big fireball. Also with the backdraft module giving some nice gun boosts I am happy I picked one of the most balanced offensive character in the game.
Now to try out some Kyle diving bombing.
Kyle mains unite!! We been waiting on this video. Thank you bro 🙏
I think a tank build is more utilitarian. But i wanted to role play a cruise missile
@@ryechew What’s a tank build look like for you? I feel he’s still pretty darn tanky with full shield build and being able to rotate abilities properly.
@CalebAdams just replacing crit with shield, CDR and resource generation. You'd get 80 percent of your damage but not ever die basically unless you made poor life choices
@@ryechew Haha yuppp
How did you by pass the thruster bug?
Personally prefer hybrid dps/tank for Kyle... but it's nice to see someone crank the dps wayyyyy up!
I’m playing cooldown kyle, It does a lot more damage than crit does. You can reach cooldown cap (90%) with multitalented. 1.5sec on magnetic spurt is insane. Combined with secret garden you never run out of resource, you actually GAIN it by using your skills. Also having ult on 13seconds is just amazing.
Yeah CDR build seems the way to go and you do just as much damage as this with less work. Magnetic spurts only good for mobbing though, better to swap it for that one that gives more DPS on boss down and when the boss isn't looking at you
This was a "how to hit like a truck" guide tho. You aren't dive bombing for 20 million.
That’s how I play Sharen. 15 sec ults is crazy.
The only sad part about the CD build is loosing multitalented for Shield Collector once we finally get it since there’s no way to make up that 20% loss atm
Blue crit mods should always be used before purple ones. Purples give a total of 92.3% crit and crit dmg with their split stats, while blues give 115.4% to each stat individually. The same goes for crit mods on guns as well.
It looks like your enemy that you did the Max damage on was level 1 and not level 100. Level 100 enemies take probably 5 mil damage
Nice, I am just waiting for some one to explain the math of Ajax's reflect damage as it is explained as DEF×skill power. Also agree on the chase what is fun idea. Working on Executor right now for that reason.
Yeah it doesn't really say how much % of your defense either
I agree with play what you like the most, and I've been enjoying your videos quite a bit so far, which is why I wanted to ask, if your building for damage why is your skill cooldown only at 31%?
MP conversion has no down side for Kyle, Nimble Fingers is an easy choice, between the two you get something like 68% CD, add 2 focus on mods you can reach 74%, and if you use Multitalented you can spam the magnetism force ability as it IS a dimension skill for a bonus 20% making your CD total go up to around 94% CD.
Far as I can tell, while that is a fat stack of mods, it should out weigh critical damage over a longer sample size as if you look at a say 300 second window, the crit damage would be a lot less in that time period.
This matters for more than Kyle's ultimate, which is fun to play with on a passive 15 second cooldown, but the Magnetic Care passive to restore your shields and magnetic force can be gained once every 77 seconds instead of 200. Multitalented drags the cooldown on the passive down even further, naturally, so survivability goes up a LOT due to the passive, and damage goes up a LOT thanks to the ultimate all from specifically building cooldown on Kyle.
In the video you mentioned critical hits were the only space you could go to for more damage on Kyle, I just thought I'd offer Cooldown as a relatively massive consideration for more damage, as I think your cooldown was about 40 on the ultimate, I could do 2 of them in that time which would be much more consistent damage than relying on a 11% crit chance + 2.5-ish crit damage multiplier. I would in a 45 second window, be able to do a third. Now I am ignoring travel time and ascending time on the ultimate for that projection of damage, but I would assume it would bring the overall damage window for 3 ults to about 50 seconds for me to perform 3, where as the build presented would perform 1 and be partially cooled down towards it's next one.
In terms of single hit up front big numbers, I get the crit was your only option for that, but I didn't hear that said, I heard 'only option for more damage' which makes me think what I presented above may have been missed in your search for more cruise missile gameplay uptime.
Keep making great vids man!
I found that the attack cards where a waste when making my build as well.
I like how you test out the cards so in depth. Interesting how ambush works. I did not find even with the 200% crit bonus any crit was even worth it on Kyle. Its great when you get the orange numbers and makes for a great videos but I like to use those extra slots to make Kyle even more of a bull dozer.
I have Shield collector in my build. It makes him a whole nother beast! Multitalented is good too.
Max is 207.7 for both crit rate and crit damage.
Great video like always!
One Tipp All the submodules in the game are malachite slot, if you enchance it you get 5 exra points to use. Cool video!
Id like to add that these tests appear to be done with Level 1 enemies.
Also shield amount does not change the damage... Its bugged or doesn't work as described.
I need too see him make Ajax OP
Aznvasion has a very nice damage calculator for skills, he also has it not the exact, the closest formula the game uses for skill damage computation.
It was something like (((skill power x skill power bonus "the reactor bonus") x skill power modifier) x skill power % ratio). He's got the actual explanation for how this works, I don't remember the exact formula, sorry, but I have used it and it's what I used to min-max my Bunny, Sharen, Viessa, and Jayber builds.
There is a harder way to explain the math😮 ..i don't math but when I do it's here with rychew
Just got my perforator started crafting, excited to get it built.
I like your videos alot, one of my favorites for this game. I hope you get much success. I trust your info more than the others
Blair is the character with the most abusive stats in the game for the big chonk damage.
He can reach 100% crit rate EASILY with his passive (i personaly roll with 9x%)
Truly Deadly Cuisine gives him a 6k% Skill Power Modifier skill.
Also can reach a 7s Cooldown on it.
When I first started , thought I wanted to play Valby. I ended up a Kyle main 😂😂😂
As a Kyle main recently converted about a week ago (From Freyna) I've got to say, you're obviously better at numbers than I, but wouldn't it make more sense to build for Cooldown and def/shield (Since, while shields do indeed suck, Kyle basically gets 1.8 shields worth per charge of his passive? I have my Experienced Technician recharge down to just under 60 seconds, and under 50 depending on if the Multitalented is up when the shield gets broken and the recharge timer kicks in. Magnetism Spurt gets down to 1.8 seconds with Multitalented and can just be spammed 3 at a time, and on the 4th it'll proc Multitalented again for an endless loop.
Would not building his def/shield for survivability and working on the DPS from the weapon and spurt not be the better path? 300 seconds on ET to under 60 is huge while still pushing over 60k defense, just over 5700 shield and just under 19k skill power.
I know there's lots of ways to build a descendant, but how reliable really is that crit chance vs the cooldown of thrusters? I don't do the math on those things. Thats why I subbed to you, my man!
Love the work! You've made me put some much more effort into my dang descendants than I ever thought I actually would. lol
the damage was impressive, but you forgot about cooldown, which is huge for kyle. Magnetic care, spurt, and the ult all need reduced cooldown or your a sitting duck.
Thats correct way to play - FUN, thanks for video
Ok so that’s cool and all but let’s see it again a boss. Can it compete with ult lepic
I will say, as a kyle main, that throwing in a ton of cdr into his kit makes him feel WAY better to play. you can get your ult down to a 15 second cooldown and essentially spam it. This with shoulder charge being on such a low cooldown that you can literally spam it makes you borderline invincible while maintaining extremely high ult damage
It's better to hit 3 times then do 3 times the amount of damage sometimes
@@ryechew the thing is, is you can really do both. If you drop the crit, which as you said is pretty pathetic scaling for Kyle you can hit like a truck with very high cdr
@@jexhi444honestly the crit Isn’t even worth it. I have my thrust down to 11 seconds hitting for 3-4 mil.
@@NOLIMITZ00 Yep. -73% coll down reduction and Multitalanted mod make Magnetism Spurt 1.5 sec cool down, so it become spamable as hell. So Kyle have AOE spam ability whit 1.5 sec coll down and croud control effect. Godlike for mobbing and farming.
I use mine with around 75% cdr + multitalanted and as much shields and skill power I can. Farming secret garden now, the idea is to have max magnetic force when ult cool down resets.
Honestly I'd still recommend the blue crit mods for a slightly higher crit ratio but definitely agree on the non attribute mod choices
You can get 5 more max capacity by putting a catalyst in the melee slot (as far as I've seen they're all malachite)
kyle is literally a walmart void thundercrash titan lol
Why void?
@@StrongArmEntertainmentVoid titan has magnetism grenades iirc and his abilities are colored purple.
Ajax has the titan barrier and ward of dawn.
What about the components from the obstructor that gives shield 11%
I came to say Enzo next! Stick with the Shield bros! Lol. Thanks for tue information video.
youre the best
No.... you da best
I'd be curious about Ajax's Void Charge mod.
It has some interesting mechanics that potentially adds flat DEF to the skill damage. The modifier for which is affected by the Skill Power Modifier mods.
I wanna see what would happen if someone with 150k+ DEF were to build around that.
OOoooooo as a Kyle main, I gotta see this!
The argument for Blair is that you are going to actually be critting most of the time, but yeh this os definitely hitting harder than Blair ever could.
You're telling me you have leveled Kyle up to 40, 7 times and put catalysts on those slots. While playing other characters and doing the same? How much money are y'all spending and how tf you leveling so fast??
I went with focus on non attribute and focus on tech even though its a modifier on tech one , its cooldown is so worth it - id rather have a ult every 12s or less than one big one but i get the feeling haha still hitting 4/5 ults a minute is hilarious
Love this kind of video, would be dope with a Perforator build as well
Would Love to see the Math and your opinion on a bunny! Keep up your great work!
Finally someone that takes advantage of the 10k skill power, good job
Did you ever play Cyberpunk 2077? I am very curious to what their online Cyberpunk game will be like, but I think the first game has the ingredients to become a looter shooter like this.
I’m literally farming up Enzo entirely to unlock Kyle. I like his tank style
bro so smart, this is my first time playing a game like this. mid maxing, grinding, all that jazz. somehow i feel even more lost than I did before XD
After i fully built this and watched this video Several times and watch your twitch live stream and compare your executioner / devourer damage with my damage , I realized what it 's but whatever , hope they fix laboratory also let us see monster level in laboratory even after we changed race or resummoned it
you can put a catalyst on your sub module slot and itll give you +5 total capacity
I can count on one hand the amount of LD creators that I actually learn from. These videos can't come fast enough. Thanks for the work.
Do you think it’s because noones making content for Last descendent? 😂
Did you try Non-Attribute Master? Its a purple mod that gives 44.4% Skill Power and 19% Non-attribute Skill Power at max level. For me those Master Mods actually did more dmg then the "Focus on" or "Specialist" mods which are all part of the Battle group.
I indeed do like the way you make content! subbed and will be back for more!
Wouldnt it be slightly better to just use skill insight and cconcentration instead of using front lines and emergency measures? FL+EM is like 92% skill crit hit/damage and while insight and concentration is 115% crit hit/damage
I'll be stupid, but after this I know Kung Fu. Thank you Sensei
Underdogs getting love, love to see it. Hope for others like Esiemo and Yujin.
Been trying Yujin and been mostly playing an aoe build with Proliferating Allergy that does 445k against weak enemies. Unfortunately because the skill only detonates on enemy death or after 5s it's not worth it for colossi, so the heal build is preferred against Colossi. It seems like with Duty and Sacrifice he can heal like 10k hp of each player every 10 seconds or so without a long animation.
@@DestroyerArcher Thanks for reply, I was more interesting in his support role, i saw his skills heal and buff skill damage so i thought about supporting my carry friend when we duo colosus. But i'll see how much Luna will support.
@@FreeKillx02 Note that the buff from his non aug 4 is a self buff apparently. Although his 2 does make enemies take more damage. Just tried him in matchmade Molten Fortress with duty and sacrifice (augment for his 4th skill) and it was really easy keeping people alive, although we didn't clear. Passionate Sponsor makes him do decent dps too with guns in a group, since every player being healed gives him up to +75% (I'm assuming additive?) damage and skill power.
@@DestroyerArcher hmm I see so I guess he is mainly for heals then. Ima await Luna for damage buffing then, thanks for info!
@@FreeKillx02 If you want a support that boosts team DPS I highly recommend picking up Enzo. The only downside is that his meta augment, Supply Firearm Enhancer, requires opening ultra vaults with enzo, but it is incredibly powerful as it boosts base weapon crit chance by 29%, letting even 1% crit guns consistently crit with crit chance mods (unless their magazine is very small like Guardian R4).
sorry, but this explanation of the skill power modifier and boost ratio didn't clarify anything for me. I think I am more confused after watching the video than I did before. Going through an example fully would make it much better.
Cant wait for the ambush video
Kyle main here, thank you for this, it really helped me to understand why I wasnt doing that much more damage when stacking the skill rate modifier. A question I have though, for his spurt ability would modifier be better there? AND do you think there is a better set for kyle than slayer?
you make me feel like im back in school!
Would love to see your math on Yujin. Healer build incoming?
fantastic video, thank you for the general build advice as well!
If you can slot it (costs 2 more total) you should use mp conversion instead of nimble fingers.
I use both. Having my 1 and 3 always up is huge for my playstyle.
@@Harkonis Yep I use both too, pop up 3 and spam 1 for facetanking and I never take damage inside dead bride's dome too lol
Whilst those crits feel nice and all, the problem with kyle and crit is that he scales so horribly with crit that it just isn't worth it. Better to go CD and skill power for a cruise missile build and if you crit with the base crit great, but don't want to invest too much into it and rely on it.
I Maine kayl and the issue that needs to be fixed is that u can't use his ult if there's a roof or ship above u and the stagger from landing a hit with your ult cuz it's dum that if I hit a boss with my ult I'm stuck under his feet for few seconds
Please make one for Freyna. I've basically been using her as a discount gley, but have trouble with energy economy.
Same as Warframe math. Looks complicated, but really is very simple once you get it.
Great video as always! I wish I was better at math to do my own calculations though.. would it be possible to address damage over time in the future?. On behalf of every Freyna main it’d be greatly appreciated!
Can you make a Freyna video? I keep getting conflicting information on what mods to use for her because she is DOT. Love the videos, breaking down the numbers is amazing.
Upgrade your modifiers, toxic skill damage, and duration - cooldown. She requires a solid gun to do the work
My build is not too far off. I trade out the crit chance and damage for optimizing cooldown, so that I am ulting every ~11 seconds.
How does that work on boss fights?
very cool. I ran in to you while you were leveling kyle. I hope to see more of these and I look forward to your video on Dangerous Ambush.
anyone know how lethal finish mod works? I cannot seem to understand it.
Did you try devotion? It has a much longer buff duration than python, so it might be a worthwhile sidearm for bossing.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give him a rod and teach him to fish and he eats for the rest of his life... This video gives you the rod and I appreciate that
Thanks for the break down especially about the reactor. But one number I've not been able to understand which is the sub power next to the main skill attack power on top.
What is the meaning of that stat and the potential efficiency of the relevant % sub power mod as part of the bottom 2 mods.
Its your melee damage score
Do the set component buffs. 2 matching 4 matching. Apply a stack per each component. Ie 8% buff x4 or is it just the given amount shown when matching 2 or 4.
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Wr the guy says "and more data" ! Ty for rhe work man
All take care
Btw, you are better of with a 275 processor, than the 206 from Bravery set, even with the 11,9%. I did the math :)
Can we see your build for the Perforator? Also, does it scale with your shields at all?
Thanks man!… I’ve been playing Kyle as main and this is just so so helpful! Great content.
I've been having fun with Perforator and definitely want to invest more resource on it.
Can you share your Perforator build once you are done with it?