Listeners To Times Radio Brexit Debate Furious With Bill Cash
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- Mike Galsworthy debates #Brexit with Bill Cash on Times radio.
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If brexit was a good idea , it would be all over the tory press.
Er, it is.
@@paullarne Can you find me a few articles from outside the UK and outside the EU (in neutral countries) where the benefits of Brexit are being described? Surely there must be plenty of articles in the US, Australian, NZ,... press that describe what a brilliant idea Brexit is and how the UK is benefiting from it.
Go on.
Brexit is great it’s keeping people like you out of the eu
@@sambaliwingo If I did your research for you, you'd still be in denial.
@@paullarneBrexit troll alert!
Hes retired after bringing our country to its k ees with his beloved Brexit. What a COWARD !
I think he might have been very strongly advised😄Every single last Brexiteer rat knows it's a disaster, probably why King rat Farage entered the fray, the one's who have actually gained handsomely from it are terrified of any reversal.
Don't worry he didn't lose out on anything 😉
@@thehealinggame "Country to it's knees", a bit over dramatic. Who is in good shape? Eurowonderland it ain't.
@@bobleitch3610 Still trying to convince yourself that we are doing better than EU countries? Still clinging to a few juggled stats as proof. The Tories would walk the election if it really was boomtime in Brexitland. It clearly is not. More of a sewage sodden swamp than sunny uplands. And the Tories will pay for it next week.
@bobleitch3610
Bill cash is the most despicable, disgraceful individual-i would jail him now
It is too early to see the "true catastrophic effect of Brexit" ... but our children and grandchildren are already questioning me "why did my generation ever fall for the Brexit con" ?
Some of us didn't.
Absolutely. Greetings from Yorkshire.
I didn't. I could see those Brexit charlatans from the moon. I voted remain because I knew this would blow up in the leavers faces now all of us are suffering
There is a key thing that we should be concerned with and that is investment. That is the expense now for the possible future return. Brexit has wiped out a generation's investment. It will be our kids and grandkids that suffer. We can measure that impact today. Even the most optimistic assessments talk about a 6% decrease in investment since 2016 (as at 2022).
@@algernonwolfwhistle635148% who got off their backsides to vote didn't.
I love the expression that EU membership was an investment in sovereignty.
What a cowardly reaction by Bill Cash to the live Brexit complaints by just dismissing the complainers as Remainers.
The likes of Cash believe they are right no matter what. And think we should just be compliant serfs. They don't know how to deal with criticism or failure. Which will make election night all the more enjoyable. He won't be looking so pompous as the results come in and the blue turns red.
'Investment in sovereignty'. That's pretty meaningless, tbh. Ukraine could invest in its sovereignty by surrendering, for example, and didn't Vichy France share sovereignty! I don;t know about you but I wouldn't be keen with our laws being decided by an EU Parliament that's 25% AFD, Wilpers, Le Pen and host of other horrors for whom we wouldn't vote.
@@ianbooth3164 Do correct me if I misinterpret your words: As you suggest an anology that the Ukraine could invest its sovereignty in Putin by surrendering to its aggressive invader, am I right in thinking that you think the EU has invaded its 27 members?
@@lloydbelle3406 Hmm, the youtube censor strikes again! I wrote you a long reply but it's disappeared (seems to happen quite a lot when a pro-Brexit comment is posted!). Very briefly, laws were imposed on the British people that they did not vote for and would not vote for (posted workers directive is an example that no progressive person could support). That's clearly an in infringement on sovereignty. Obviously the Ukraine analogy was hyperbolic. It's quite reasonable for people to decide for themselves what compromises they wish to make in terms of sovereignty but 52% made their choice and yet the insults thrown around in places like this are disappointing from people who probably consider themselves democrats. The degree of certainty these people have about how the future will transpire confounds me.
@@ianbooth3164 Sovereignty is pretty meaningless to most people. And utterly overhyped by the Brexit brigade. What did the EU actually stop us doing? And has the government done it since we left? And how has it benefitted us?
Mike is an inspiration. I used to see him when I went down to parliament as a EU Stayer against the EU Quitters. Now I cannot for the Government of Johnson took down the Plague Unit Blair set up after Ebola (see Laurie Garrett's 'The Coming Plague' published 1994) he agreed with the Tory Backbenchers saying the old needed death. Johnson cancelled mild safety precautions in place of masks of a few feet of distance. A young woman come up to breath in my face in a shopping queue. So I had Long Covid taking 80% of my energy and strength in 2022. Now at 84 I am one of a million UK citizens dying of Long Covid. Fading out. Brexit brought catastrophe of the EU Quittiuers Brexshit but also lousy Government & £49 billion stolen from us taxpayers--everyone pays tax via VAT & so many other corruptions. Zero seats for Tories, Zero seats for Reform.
Take care Peter. I do hope that this is a blip and we can get past this crazy populist nonsense.
Thank God that horrible Cash has gone 👏👏👏
Going cash-less can make everyday life much easier....
It's not about personalities it's about Sovereignty & as a lawyer he stood up for the Britain's Right to self determination
@@davidraddings8211 Correct, but Self determination only becomes attractive if it proves to be better than shared/cooperative determination as offered with EU membership.
@@lloydbelle3406 This difference has not yet been determined. This comes with time, for instance after the UK 20yrs EU membership, or 50years in tota,l including Common Market membership
@@davidraddings8211 I think you're being a coward, mate. You just don't have the guts to admit you've been misled. Please don't feel ashamed - you are a victim of con.
Please remember that not a single politician sold Brexit as a "let's suck it, for 50 years, and see what happens"?
Very well said, Mike Galsworthy.
Apart from the concept of Brexit itself, the most stupid thing is that the government did not stipulate that there had to be a substantial majority either way. There was always going to be rancour about the result.
It is an indisputable fact that Brexit is causing great harm to the UK. If we don't act soon to try to improve our situation then we will truly sink into the abyss. All parties should want to get the very best deals they can for the UK. It's time that they stopped quoting honouring the referendum result as an excuse.
Camoron and his ilk in their arrogance thought they would of course win the referendum. And he they would rule the tory party and the British state for generations. But his gamble backfired and he ran away. But we are paying the price.
they didnt need to , the referendum was "Non binding" there was no obligation on the government of the day to act on the result
That was Cameron demonstrating the value of a private education.
@@jukeseyable Is there any such thing as 'binding' in our system? We had the fixed-term parliament act and they simply passed a new act to repeal it. I really don't know how you could ignore 52% of the vote after saying it would be honoured and expect anything other than outrage and votes for UKIP.
@@ianbooth3164 The sovereignty of parliament allows the 52% to be ignored. The government only had to let MPs decide the issue. And the Tories did not have a large majority at the time.
We have one potential Brexit benefit, a real one!
We can now see how bad the Tory government have become and have the option to vote them into obscurity on July 4th.
Make it happen...
Has little to do with Brexit - the Tories have been a bad lot before the referendum already. The Brexit moment just brought out a new layer of BS...
@@uweinhamburg Brexit really brought the issue out into the open.
The ERG should be investigated or at the very least using Freedom of Information we should get access to the 'Research'
Err.... I think you'll find that 'Research' in ERG is yet just another con.
Nevertheless they should be investigated. It should not be legal that governments can delibertaely con the UK public into voting against its better interests.
From the perspective of someone in the EU who observed it from our side, it seems that brexit was a stream of lies about us. Given that brexit was such a heap of manure it rather surprises me that people are expecting that joining the EU will be an easy step while your major political parties just talk about making brexit work.
I think the lying about economics was an Adjunct. Most who voted for it were blinkered toward the migration topic, the rest of it was blah blah blah.
it's proved that a nation can be fooled, backed by whatever newspaper is bought
Disgraceful that they can walk away from the damage they have done to the next few generations.
Only if we let them.
Mike Galsworthy should have a slot on LBC
Agreed. Comes across as a good guy as well as explaining things clearly
Love your channel, love your cows. Thanks Liz. As for Bill Cash constituents who voted him in…..
Brilliant upload thanks Liz.
Sneer-Smug said it would need 50 years, they are all crazy.
Shhhh the brexers never me ruin this
Yes, let's wait 10 more years, time to see how bad things can go.
Summer of 23 was the first time (im a Brit living in Austria) i could get over to see my family and friends (due to covid). So we all went out for a meal at local pubs. No service. We had to order the meals having picked up and looked at the menu and pay for it. The meals and drink where brought to us (very enjoyable i might add) and cleared away. When i enquired what was happening i was told lack of staff. Their european workers went home because of covid and then due to visa form filling, finding accommodation they find it easier to work in the EU and therefore haven't come to the UK to work. Also the peeps working in the pubs are also looking for other work because they no longer make up their wages with .... Tips.
Many restrants work this way it cuts costs & stops people doing
a runner 🏃
@@johnwhitcher4761Sad that it's come to this.
jobs everywhere. pay up..
my job as a tech fitter has gone up 25%
if the eu is so good, how come these ppl flocked to the UK to work doing waiting and kitchen jobs??
how come the UK was the "EU jobcenter" if its so good in the EU?
The very first point Mike makes is that the lived experiences of ordinary people is that travel in the EU is more difficult for British people. Yes of course it is because the UK chose to leave the EU so now if you want to come and visit us in the EU or work here in the EU then you are going to have to jump extra hurdles. These are issues that everyday British people are encountering and yet it seems that, in your upcoming election, no party is prepared to speak out against the folly that was brexit, worse some parties are actually promoting the idea that a loss of freedom of movement is a good thing.
Brexit Britain needs more time !..........So they can FORGET how good it was BEFORE they left !
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yes 8 quid ph, now its 14 quid ph and jobs everywhere.
Liz, they weren't naughty - they were just trying to get back to the EU. Like we all are.
😂
Lock him up !
I am a UK citizen. I am also an EU citizen, I work for the EU but I have also herded cows in the Scottish borders. AT least it was nice weather.
did English children want to be outcasts????????
Only English ? 🏴
Give birth in Ireland. People born in Ireland are automaticall an Irish citizen if one parent is British.
You do realise the EU population is less than 10% of the world total? A huge disrespect to people from elsewhere who you seem to think are irrelevant.
Only English children !!!!!
@@ianbooth3164 That's the world of economics, Ian. The imbalance of wealth, and distance, across the globe doesn't make us all equal.
Let me explain. If you have a UK business that pays employees £15/hr to make a product/service, you are going to find it extremely difficult to export your goods to countries thousands of miles away where the typical citizens earn £15/day or £15/week.
The gains that we make on Australia and NewZealand exports, there simply is not enough countries on the globe left to compensate the loss of EU trading.
As a third country wishing favourable terms of trade with a bloc, and even if the bloc sees mutual advantage in doing so, then the first thing the bloc will want to see is how you define the standards and regulations to which you hold yourself, how these frameworks are applied so that your claimed standards etc are intelligible to the other side, and how you legally enforce this application upon all the actors within the industry under discussion in any negotiation. This in fact is the legally prescribed necessity as defined within WTO Agreement rules for any country anywhere before any meaningful free trade deal can legitimately be proposed by anyone. Similar requirements for intelligibility and trustworthiness apply to many non-trade areas too, such as in the area of certifications, qualifications etc upon which mutual cooperation initiatives depend.
Since becoming a third country the UK has seemingly "forgotten" that it ever had a requirement to do any of this. Such a complex matrix of standards determination, regulatory frameworks and legal enforcements takes even the most diligent emergent economy years, if not decades, to fully achieve. The UK hasn't even started yet - stupidly and illegally relying on its trading partners simply to "trust" that its "memory" of once having to abide by the matrix of regulations it had as an EU member means that it would never of course shaft such a partner in the future.
The TCA was set up in the expectation that the UK at least understood this very basic requirement under international law, and the five year implementation review due next year was intended to be the point where progress in this respect would be assessed.
Many of the problems blighting businesses and farmers arising from barriers between the UK and its continental market are exactly those that the TCA is designed to address - for all of the claims from Frost & Co that they negotiated a complex agreement the fact is that in both trade and cooperation this mechanism can be greatly expanded, and the EU has repeatedly stated this too. Maybe it's at last time that the UK actually check its obligations under the WTO Agreement in this respect and finally get around to actually implementing its side of the TCA in good faith?
As things stand the UK is on course for actually losing the meagre provisions that were concluded within the present TCA as the EU concludes that it is not dealing with a sensible, trustworthy or seemingly intelligent partner at all, never mind expanding them further to alleviate these difficulties. Whether it was ignorance or arrogance that prevented the UK from even beginning to recognise what a third country actually is and to behave accordingly (and even more worryingly this dilemma is hardly addressed at all within public discourse in the UK), the bottom line is that this harsh reality must at some point finally be acknowledged and the appropriate actions begin to be taken.
Otherwise, in terms of ever negotiating a meaningful trade or cooperation deal with any responsible partner (EU or not), you are simply screwed.
Yep. This doesn’t sink in. They all talk about that they are going to renegotiate stuff when we 🇪🇺 are thinking about sanctions for the UK for not honoring or completely breaking against the agreement 🙄
I agree the Brexit MP’s should be sued.
shoulda taken the HEATH family fortune away for duping us into the eec..
I can’t even deliver letters or small packages to various EU countries without having to fuss with filling in forms and paying extra charges since Brexit 😡
All rational people are with you Liz, this so important not only for we oldies (77 here), but even more importantly for our children and grandchildren.
No they're not.
@@bobleitch3610 I said “RATIONAL”
I thought his explanation using clinical trials was a great analogy. We have had mountains of evidence showing the "net" benefit of Brexit and since 2016 and our actual exit pretty 100% costs/damage of Brexit...with no signs that it can ever change to be a net benefit.
As regards sovereignty, we are now a rules taker. Our space to do things is more limited. Legal sovereignty is not the same as real world sovereignty.
We really need a Royal Commission to look at how the UK is run after this debacle.
Perhaps I was more experienced - in that I have been travelling, living, working, investing in the EU for decades, but I still can’t for the life of me, understand how people couldn’t see that putting up barriers between the UK and the EU wouldn’t increase costs and restrict freedoms. It’s a no brainier.
"it's a no brainer"
17,4m brits jumping up shouting "me, me, me".
Dear old bill cash,all spent up .
Cash had a rural constituency at Stone in Staffordshire. He should have known better than to back Brexshit. But I'm sure Billy boy made a few quid to keep him comfortable in his dotage.
Meanwhile in the EU today, the official accession process for Ukraine and Moldova has started. This two years after these countries had been given candidate member status.
On February 28, 2022, (Ukraine) and on March 3, 2022 (Moldova), both countries (together with Georgia, but that country is still in the waiting room) officially applied for membership of the EU. This just shows how long the first part of the EU accession process takes. Never mind the rest of the steps.
Yes it's almost impossibly difficult for the UK to successfully ask to join again.
We WANT back in, WE WANT to travel more freely. We need to get rid of red tape for OUR BUSINESSES. Nah. Definitely not ready to apply. Next years review of the TCA is not to redraw it. Starmer can do nothing.
Those who say it's too early to see the full effects of Brexit need to consider two main things. Firstly, we were all told that we'd see immediate benefits after the referendum result in 2016, let alone leaving the EU in 2020. And done So without any qualifications. So yet another Brexit promise which could never be delivered.
Secondly, as a jobseeker, you are considered long term unemployed if you're out of work for TWELVE MONTHS. Yet eight years after a referendum result and four years after leaving the EU, were told it still needs more time.
Yesterday would have been Turnip Tuesday had we believed believed the remain side. You'll find that most leavers expected a more difficult period than we've had but believed the long-term would be better. We'll see how it works out but let's not pretend either of us can see the future.
Well we did not fall of a cliff as many
Remainers thought. We are the 4th largest exporter in the world on mainly
Services so can't be that bad
Apart from many UK buisnesses
Profiteering & a useless gov. Prices
In general are higher now & proberly
The same in EU countries. I don't travel
to EU countries & holiday in UK so things are not to bad for me..
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@@ianbooth3164 @johnwhitcher4761 What you have is a slow puncture rather than a blowout. However, the hiss is getting more audible. If all you have is Brexit not being as bad as promised rather than an actual improvement as actually promised you, then you still have been royally conned.
@@thefrecklepuny Did I ever say anything about Brexit being less bad than I'd thought? Obviously it wasn't because I believed project fear at the time so expected calamity but I have never voted for economic reasons in any case (on the grounds that most economic forecasts are sadly innacurate (only 10% of recessions are ever forecast so it's an imprecise science at best)).
One thing I've never understood about remainers, however, and maybe here you can help? Why is it they take it on themselves to determine why the other side voted and then mark them on their own criteria? Post referendum surveys say sovereignty was the main reason for the Leave vote and yet remainers only seem to talk about 'synthetic, doppleganger counterfactuals'. If only the world worked that way the economy would be in a much better place.
Maybe you were motivated to vote for solely economic reasons but for many people it was just one of a number of issues they felt were important.
How has UK growth compared to say France or Germany since the referendum, btw?
@@ianbooth3164 You claimed most leavers expected a more difficult time? Bullshit. You were told the very opposite by Brexit's chief campaigners. Why did you not call them out on this when they were promising you the Moon on a stick immediately after the referendum result?
I don't get it. What's wrong with these island people? You want in, you want out, you want in again??? Well, it's ok, just put in a application and we'll think about it. Btw. the normal time for getting into the EU after you filed the application is about 20 years or so. Good luck!
Those that still support BRexit do so as an act of Faith. The exception is the very few that desired the tax avoidance and money laundering freedoms they still have. There are no benefits for the vast majority of us only the growing down sides. That is the thing about Faith, it is held in spite of evidence that it is wrong.
The cattle escaping seem a lot like Brexit: the herd broke out and then found they had nowhere to go.
Sovwinty innit?
Well, you can't eat sovereignty. Sovereignty doesn't pay your wage and pay your bills.
good management does.. and costing..
australian fruit pickers get 30$ ph minimum plus 8% superannuation.
that's 16.30 GBP ph plus super.
similar prices on the shelves..
u saying you cant get farm workers on 16.30 ph minimum in the UK?
ur pulling my pi$$er!
We now know that what the experts said would happen has happened. We know that the largest demographic to vote Leave was the elderly. Based on mortality rates we now know that the difference between the Leave and Remain vote has now gone through death. We now have around seven million voters who because of age never even had a vote in the Referendum whose future was stolen from them by the likes of Bill Cash. The reality is that there will never again be a majority in this country that wants to be outside of the EU. However because of the antics of these liars, trust between the EU and the UK is low from their side so the chances of any new membership application been accepted are slim. All we can hope is that in the near future we can witness people like Bill Cash having to sit there and see that we are once again about to become a member of the EU.
As Mike Galsworthy rightly said Starmer's only duty at this moment in time is to get elected into government. Once in government he can then take steps to reverse the disaster of Brexit. But he is wise enough to not reopen the Brexit debate because if he does we will go back to the whole can of worms that occurred from 2016 to 2020. The Tories are not going to bring it up because it will just highlight yet another of their failures. Farage might try but he knows that he too would be treading on thin ice because people can see no benefits and only negatives and they just might blame him.
As for the claims we have our sovereignty back, well we had our sovereignty when we were members with the sole exception that we couldn't do anything that might have damaged other members of the EU. If others outside of the EU had tried to damage us then we had the full force of the EU to help protect us. By grabbing for our so called sovereignty we have weakened the sovereignty we still had before. These hard line Brexiteers need to get it into their thick skulls that the Empire has gone and many of the former members of that Empire despise us for the damage we did to their countries. When you toss in the obvious racism of some Brexiteers then just why would some of these countries want to have anything to do with us but to try and extract some measure of revenge if the opportunity presents itself?
The likes of Bill Cash and Farage are not patriots because of the untold damage they have done to this country and for Farage to say he would have done a better job getting Brexit done is just another delusion. If we had got a Farage Brexit this country would have been even worse off than we are now. The next time Farage brings up the I would have got it done better I wish whoever is interviewing him pins him down and makes him tell us all what he would have done better. Then we can show just what a fool he is.
Hear, hear! Sue them and remove their fat government pensions... let them live on the State Pension, like the rest of us have to!
Go, Liz! 😊
Brexit has buggered greatly my two sons ability to do business with Europe. They are now seriously thinking of moving to Germany or Spain who would welcome them with open arms for the technology and jobs they could bring. My wife and l would move with them.
Brexit is the Tories' baby, they can't disown it. We are in the middle of an election campaign and if it was brilliant you would expect the Tories to be crowing about it. Instead there is utter silence.
If the Tories were responsible for delivering a brilliant Brexit, this election campaign would have been months ago, and today we would be 'enjoying' another Tory government...
I voted brexit and regretted it ever since
"A lot of remainer messages". My god what contempt! If you don't go along with this nonsense you're not considered a citizen.
they said the benefits would be instant not 20 50 or 100 years.
Who is they
Mike galsworthy 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Promised a bed of roses, and all we got was weeds.
Well said sir. 👏👍
Cash spewing nothing but bull shit
We will have to go back in at some point.
Brexit is a disaster that nobody will be brought to account for...Its all to late for me, I'm 78 years old, but l feel sorry for those who just missed out on being able to vote on a subject that will effect their lives, and possible their children's lives...
Thanks for posting this Liz..really interesting.
The economy/British taxpayers are already losing £100 billion a year because of brexit, if we wait another 10 years that will be another £1 trillion we've lost, that's money we could be spending fixing all our public services the Tories have spent the last 14 years destroying., new hospitals, new prisons, new housing, cutting NHS waiting lists etc.
We were losing a real £120bn/year in the EU. There are of course costs of being out but they are much less than the costs of being in.
@@paullarne That's a blatant LIE!
@@paullarne Yeah, you clever English know it all so much better than the 27 member states of the EU and the ten countries that are queuing to join or the four non-members that are closely integrated. They are all too stupid to see that participating in the EU isn't beneficial, only you clever English who can't even get your customs checks up and running eight years after voting for them are the only ones clever enough to see that. :D
@@marinusvos No it isn't, go look up real figures.
@@paullarne The net contribution to the EU was about £13 billion. It was an investment as it reduced import/export red tape and allowed us a strong voice at the table. Now I have the numbers to back up my statement. Where are yours?
I don’t understand when they talk about sovereignty, and that you were being dictated to by Brussels, why they never mention that Britain was a major player in making those rules?
With a veto! Absolute madness and so it's been proven however, like the MAGA hordes, they're wedded to their ideology.
You did make me smile at the end… naughty cows 😂
Shorting the pound isn’t illegal here in uk.. we are talking about the old boys clubs.. 🙄🙄🤔🤔
Unfortunately there is no sanction for being stupid, neither the Brexit promoters nor the Brexit supporters can be charged with anything But the beneficiaries and there are beneficiaries, that is a different matter and there is probably no Tory law to cover that type of fraud. There are people who are very pleased with the stash of extra cash in some offshore tax haven.
Starmer's government after the tory catastrophe,
is like Biden's Government after trump.
So Starmer should do, at least as well as Biden.
Because, if not, there's another election in four years.
The brexiteers who caused our problems have to become responsible and accountable
The UK had many problems before 23/6/16.
And they can't look your way either. Guilty looks.😊
These cattle weren't naughty they were hungry.
I didn't notice the grass being greener on the other side....
Sovereignty to discard legal safeguards for the public in order to give freedom to the lords of finance!
Too many politicians and middle-England voters stuck in the 50's and 60's, shades of Empire and b**llocks like that.
Why did many rural, post-industrial regions vote for Leave? Because they thought f-them - we have been crapped on from a great height so this might get some money/ resource focused on us! ... unfortunately most of these communities have received grants and investment in infrastructure from the EU - that is now not available but we have the roaring success of Levelling Up!!!
What a pity we as a citizenship did not educate ourselves about the benefits of EU memberships versus the costs of leaving ... who in their right mind in the EU would wish to have us back!
Only 2 years and we will see the celebrations of 'referendum decade'.
I don't expect it to be something very happy and lighthearted....
Perhaps Brexit is something similar to cancer - whatever you do, just waiting and doing nothing isn't the correct decision for sure! The old Labour song 'Things can only bet getter' is wrong, the last 14 years have shown that things can get worse as well.
Lis truly your grass is poor, the fence is harmless and the stock are lying down after filling them selves. However the fellow Mike is very much on the ball, thanks for that 🤠
This new drug Brexit will give you your legs back, yes since administering Brexit you have developed an infection but give it time and we will know if it develops into Sepsis and then we will rethink about the side effects of this wonderful drug Brexit.
Lovely vid. Thanks Liz.
*No, there is no 'merit' in saying it is "too early" to see the effects of Brexit.* Mainly because Brexiteers still can't say a specific, concrete path of action towards anything of value. It's like you building a port 'inland' in the middle of nowhere and say, who know, maybe the topography will change in the future. If you were hoping, waiting for some unforeseen circumstances in order to truly 'evaluate' Brexit, then that is not an evaluation at all. Who knows, may be an asteroid will hit earth in 10 years and everyone dies, doesn't mean Brexit is a success.
Also Starmer can't 'promise' anything about it because rejoin isn't something easily done, he can at most realigned. Better to under promise and over deliver then to over promise and never deliver.
I hope the UK is left out in the cold. Even if they come back after this disaster, they will try rebates (they have already tried with the horizon program), exceptions and whatnot.
Keep out.
Hear hear. Their shortsightedness won't go away. It'll only ever be about them with no regard for the others.
I HAVE A GERMAN FRIEND . I used to send him gifts now and again no problems . Now it's almost impossible . A parcel I sent was held up in German customs and would have been sent back ; despite having the correct documentation . Retailers won't now send stuff or there are high charges and no guarantee it will get there .
After 4 July sunak will leave UK......🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
The pasture is always greener on the other side, for all animals!
Remember the WW1 poster 'what did you do in the war daddy?', perhaps time for a brexit poster stating 'why did you vote leave grandad?'
Maybe Starmer could have a better relationship with Eu the tories ran a coach and horses through the diplomatic relations and got the worst deal possible after saying it would be so easy
So, do you think the cattle really know how naughty they have been?
The poorest suffer the most.
Am sure firefighters arrive at a burning building and their first consideration is to discuss how much more damage will be done by leaving the fire burning then getting the hoses out to put the fire out…
Looks like the cows wanted to LEAVE and Liz wants them to REMAIN.
The nodding " journalist" look well on the back of my car along with the Churchill dog .
More proof of how protectionist the EU is , thanks for pointing it out .
Mike Galsworthy is very articulate and throws into relief much that I have heard from the electorate during this campaign.
Those who expect the Conservatives to die out during this election; you will be sorely disappointed.
The mess we find ourselves in will not be relieved any time soon.
On the question of immigration, I can foresee things becoming very heated in the short to medium term when Europe attempts to rid itself of failed asylum seekers via deportation flights and many of those threatened with expulsion decide to head for France and the channel to enter the UK illegally.
With the work that Liz does here it is obvious to me and those (Remainers) who comment that the issues are numerous and complex.
Those like Bill Cash, and Rafage engage in sophism; making everything seem simple.
They obviously learned during the Brexit debate that most voters do not want to think for themselves but rather be led by donkeys to their fate.
The likes of Rees-Mogg in all those safe Tory seats will only be made to feel uncomfortable if and when the UK adopts proportional representation.
Yes we are very much at the mercy of unintended consequences that were always guaranteed by deciding to appease Brexit frauderendum.
My hashtags since 2016:
#ExposeBrexitFraud
#BringLiarsToJustice
#InvestigateLeaveCampaign
#Traitors
#LockThemUp
#RejoinEU
Farmers should be force fed Aussie meat 3 times a day.
we need a referendum to return to EU
Very naughty cows!
Hello Liz. I know I've mentioned this before but we've moved on a week and still no posts in farmers fields supporting the Tory's. This was the norm a few years ago. This should tell us something. What's changed? Just asking.
Farmers have no party to vote for. Tories used to be party for SMEs and rural issues.
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Brexit is not simple as it looks or sound. Sovereignty bla bla... etc
Who's ideas is to dismantle the EU?
And UK was a weakest link in the chain.
Now Who's actually profiting from the Brexit?
Can there be "really" independent inquiry?
Nice little hook there with the bovine ladies… Bill Cash is just a silly old man and Mike G is talking sense.
I hope you told the cattle Brexiteers do not want them in the UK.
They would send them to Australia, and Argentine.
Bon débarras Bill Cash. Whether the bad news is from a remainer of a leaver, it’s still bad news. Well said Mike Galsworthy. Floating right over Cash’s self-serving bonce. And of course if and when we rejoin the EU the deal won’t be anywhere near as favourable as original treaties afforded us.
Cattle listening to Queen...
sovereignty or freedom ???
Message to Mike Galsworthy - If the Remainers fought a much better campaign, they probably would have won. If they handled the aftermath of 23/6/16 more sensitively, I suspect they would have secured another Referendum.
Remainers have alot to answer for. Do they ever discuss it? No....
Always easy to scapegoat remainers.
They said. Who are the theys of the world. Don't we get a name or a face? Or don't they have either?
As much as I despise what Cash, Farage, Johnson, Rees-Mogg et al did to our country via Brexit, the real problem was not them but the 17.4m who voted for it.
The fact of the matter is that the Brexiter politicians didn't need to do much persuading, as many older 'Leave' voters, had already made their minds-up any the start of the Referendum campaign.
In 2016, voters were 'older' people who had grew-up as part of a generation that considered anyone who didn't look white enough, or didn't speak English like they did to be just another 'bloody 'foriner''
I'm in my late sixties and I can remember the common place ridiculous mis-conceptions and derogatory insults, and racist language that flowed out of the mouths of people, who in any almost every other aspect of their lives, came across as being very respectable.
Unfortunately, that is the generation, (of whom in 2016 there were many more of than the discerning younger voters who supported Remain ).
It is that generation who placed this country into the hands of extreme Brexiter politicians, who did nothing more than take advantage of their voters long-held bigoted views.
Many have been brainwashed by right wing foreign owned media for decades.
@@lizwebstersbf Hello Liz, and thanks for your excellent work in promoting 'the Remain cause', which you do by speaking the truth about Brexit, a subject which our cowardly politicians dare not even mention -that is until at least after the GE.
Back to your reply: The question is: To what degree were the older generation Brexit voters 'brainwashed' by the right-wing 'Anglophile' and 'white' foreign press barons, or were the barons merely giving them what they wanted to hear because they, (the voters), already believed in it.
Bunch of gambler's wanting to gamble with the country. 🎰 Lucky 7 BREXITED
Where's my unicorn